Eugene Gavrilov - Eax Support

roadrunner900 · Feb 20, 2004, 04:36 PM

Eugene,

will there be EAX support in the near future for the KX drivers.

it seems these drivers are the only ones i can use with my audigy 2 since they don't cause it to crash in games. as i have seen many other users with same problems that have virtually tried anything.

btw: gr8 job on the current drivers (besides eax off course)

nir

miguel · Feb 21, 2004, 09:04 PM

I have a feeling it would start crashing the moment eax is implemented. Really kx was born as an improvement for musicians and audiophiles and i think it should be kept that way. anyway that's my opinion and i don't have any right to speak, i've not donated (yet)

btw isn't the poll a bit biased? it'd be good to have fourth choice in the poll like NOT AT ALL, to make contrast with MUST HAVE

roadrunner900 · Feb 23, 2004, 08:45 PM

miguel

roadrunner900 · Feb 23, 2004, 08:48 PM

miguel,

the "not important" answer is same as "not at all"

and I think as i said that you forget KX solved many and i mean MANY crashing problems of creative drivers.

almost all directX9 supporting games crash with creative drivers.

so i want ppl to VOTE so that maybe the demand will come from the public.

Daniel Drummond · Feb 23, 2004, 09:20 PM

If you want the true public opinion you shouldn't choose an option as THE MAIN ONE hehehe Yes, very biased...

HarmLammers · Feb 24, 2004, 09:25 AM

And if you want even people not using any 3d possiblity to vote, you should ask their opinion in the main folder and not in the 3d folder which they perhaps even don't read...

Thanasis · Jun 11, 2004, 11:00 AM

I just want to commend that KX are indeed excellent drivers with
significantly enhanced performance in comparison to the latest Creative drivers (Dec/03)
more specifically, in 3DMARK03 Sound tests I had an improved of approx. 30% with my SB Live! 5.1

)
while providing 60 channel support on SBLive (Creative drivers only support 24).

Actually creative drivers performed slightly WORSE even than the SOUNDMAX AC'97-based
soundcard of my motherboard and I was about to throw the SBLive to the dustbin and curse Creative
for their awful software until I tried KX.

However, it is really a pity that EAX is not supported and there are some isues with DS3D thus spoiling somehow the overal impression.

Eugene, when you manage to add EAX support you will trully have achieved perfection !

Keep up the good work!

Thanasis · Jun 11, 2004, 11:08 AM

I just want to commend that KX are indeed excellent drivers with
significantly enhanced performance in comparison to the latest Creative drivers (Dec/03)
more specifically, in 3DMARK03 Sound tests I had an improved of approx. 30% with my SB Live! 5.1

)
while providing 60 channel support on SBLive (Creative drivers only support 24).

Actually creative drivers performed slightly WORSE even than the SOUNDMAX AC'97-based
soundcard of my motherboard and I was about to throw the SBLive to the dustbin and curse Creative
for their awful software until I tried KX.

However, it is really a pity that EAX is not supported and there are some isues with DS3D thus spoiling somehow the overal impression.

Eugene, when you manage to add EAX support you will trully have achieved perfection !

Keep up the good work!

cjber · Jun 21, 2004, 07:59 AM

No, the soundfont support isn't better than the creative drivers yet

**dj_stick** · Jun 26, 2004, 04:19 PM

creative drivers don't even follow SF specifications and guidelines, when they wrote those spcs themselves

cjber · Jun 27, 2004, 09:18 PM

well, I have less issues with creative drivers when I use soundfonts (and yes, I tried all sorts of option with kx drivers, they still need a few more compatibility).

**dj_stick** · Jun 28, 2004, 01:47 AM

what issues to you have with kX?

Ace MacLeod · Jun 28, 2004, 03:35 PM

kx is best for music. It's best for home cinema based on PC (as i heard). Finaly it must becom best for gamers. The only one thig that's stoping me from installing kx - is bad eax support. I really need it 'cause i'm gamer

**dj_stick** · Jun 28, 2004, 04:21 PM

you don't need EAX for games, all EAX is a set of environmental audio presets - the only difference is that the sound will sound the same no matter where in the game you are

lumpeh · Jul 3, 2004, 05:01 PM

I think demand for full EAX will rise next year as games like BF2 take full advantage of 3.0 to improve battle awareness in-game.

Personally though i still get surround in my games & thats enough for me till the above mention game is released.

ReWired · Jul 3, 2004, 06:09 PM

I am not using Creative drivers for many many months...
So, is there any news about this EAX? I think - NO.
As I saw before, EAX is ONLY a DSP presets (few effects and settings for them).
You can make these preset by your own, save the DSP window and you are ready.
Almost all musicians do this all the time - different effects and connections, saved in many DSP settings files for any purpose.

**dj_stick** · Jul 4, 2004, 12:55 AM

surround sound is not EAX and EAX is not surround sound

they are two unrelated technologies

cjber · Jul 4, 2004, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dj_stick
what issues to you have with kX?

Soundfonts always sound very distorted. It is too hard to include a non-soundfont device, similar to the windows default (like creative drivers do)?

**dj_stick** · Jul 4, 2004, 11:26 PM

creative drivers use their own soundfonts when you play midi

DMNXS · Jul 24, 2004, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dj_stick
creative drivers use their own soundfonts when you play midi

I noticed that when I first installed kX (v3535 beta), when some game midis my brother listened to all of a sudden had vocals

(so do the kX drivers also use SF for midis?).

I personally always enjoyed it when a game had decent EAX support, like reverbs. And I wouldn't think you could set up the effects yourself, since the games send commands to the drivers to change the effects parameters (I think

).

**dj_stick** · Jul 25, 2004, 02:10 AM

kx relies on soundfonts to use midi
as for EAX this depends on creative releasing the specs to eugene

dirge · Aug 8, 2004, 03:34 PM

I would also like to see EAX supported by the KX project. In time I am sure it will be.

If energy is better served cleaning up the code and squashing bugs, I would like to see that happen first.

facundo montoya · Aug 20, 2004, 11:38 PM

I do not yearn for creative EAX and so on.. Kx's Creator is the King!
But I'm still looking for the alternative of the little stuff known as "time scaling". In creative I could find them in EAX-Console implementation- I think.
I'm a musician and this gadget is very usefull for me. I don't mean "time stretch"-audio process.
Maybe somebody will show me the way in kx. Great Thanks for Heroes!

cArnYgE · Aug 31, 2004, 10:26 PM

Yes, I need EAX support. There is absolutely no reason to own an Augidy/Audigy 2 based card and not need it. EAX is one of the major selling points and best things about Creative Labs cards. While I agree that the KX Drivers offers better quality sound. It is not enough to totally counter the lack of this great technology (EAX). Until full EAX/7.1 support is utilized the KX Dproject drivers are fairly useless to me.

Also, what do you people do to your computers that the Audigy 2 zs drivers crash your games? Lord, I dont think I have ever experienced a game crashing, with my current hardware that has not been directly traceable to anything BUT the soundcard (GFX {ATI & nVidia}, DX, background app).

Furthermore the only problems I have with sound and games are for old Direct X 7 games and EAX (Games that were tailored to the SoundBlaster Live! cards and not even 100% compatible with windows 2k/xp)

The single biggest problem I have with the standard Creative (Audigy 2zs) Drivers is that the little speaker icon disappears when the Windows shell crashes and how creative simply cannot release a standalone updated driver so i dont have to use the damnable CD and THEN install the updates...

-cArnYgE

DMNXS · Sep 4, 2004, 02:21 AM

Well, I am only using the creative drivers at the moment because Mafia doesn't work correctly (no dialogs), and I miss kX already. I was able to install them (EAX4; not all the extra software updates like mixer, recorder, etc. - they stay installed regardless of drivers) perfectly without installing the original drivers from the CD first. Did you try the auto-update function at creatives website?

undernet · Sep 8, 2004, 02:07 AM

Pleeeeeease EAX support... pretty pretty please with sugar on top. Swear I´d donate if you kx guys did that. Those drivers rule!

bennetng · Sep 8, 2004, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miguel

I have a feeling it would start crashing the moment eax is implemented. Really kx was born as an improvement for musicians and audiophiles and i think it should be kept that way. anyway that's my opinion and i don't have any right to speak, i've not donated (yet)

btw isn't the poll a bit biased? it'd be good to have fourth choice in the poll like NOT AT ALL, to make contrast with MUST HAVE

100% agree with you

Daniel Drummond · Sep 8, 2004, 03:49 AM

EAX has no use for musicians, and to attend musicians is the original purpose of kx drivers...

facundo montoya · Sep 13, 2004, 02:11 AM

to Daniel Drummond;

"time scaling" ( from EAX console- Audigy 2) is very usefull for me, for musician.
I have not found alternative for this.... yet.

**dj_stick** · Sep 13, 2004, 02:43 AM

time scaling is not part of EAX afaik
EAX is a series of reverb modules designed to imitate real life situations - if you know what convoultion reverb is designed on, the principles of EAX are the same

Feb 20, 2004, 04:36 PM	#1
roadrunner900 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Eugene Gavrilov - Eax Support Eugene, will there be EAX support in the near future for the KX drivers. it seems these drivers are the only ones i can use with my audigy 2 since they don't cause it to crash in games. as i have seen many other users with same problems that have virtually tried anything. btw: gr8 job on the current drivers (besides eax off course) nir

Feb 23, 2004, 08:45 PM	Thread Starter #3
roadrunner900 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	eax miguel

Feb 23, 2004, 09:20 PM	#5
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	If you want the true public opinion you shouldn't choose an option as THE MAIN ONE hehehe Yes, very biased... __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Jun 11, 2004, 11:00 AM	#7
Thanasis DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	EAX SUPPORT I just want to commend that KX are indeed excellent drivers with significantly enhanced performance in comparison to the latest Creative drivers (Dec/03) more specifically, in 3DMARK03 Sound tests I had an improved of approx. 30% with my SB Live! 5.1 ) while providing 60 channel support on SBLive (Creative drivers only support 24). Actually creative drivers performed slightly WORSE even than the SOUNDMAX AC'97-based soundcard of my motherboard and I was about to throw the SBLive to the dustbin and curse Creative for their awful software until I tried KX. However, it is really a pity that EAX is not supported and there are some isues with DS3D thus spoiling somehow the overal impression. Eugene, when you manage to add EAX support you will trully have achieved perfection ! Keep up the good work!

Jun 11, 2004, 11:08 AM	#8
Thanasis DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	EAX SUPPORT I just want to commend that KX are indeed excellent drivers with significantly enhanced performance in comparison to the latest Creative drivers (Dec/03) more specifically, in 3DMARK03 Sound tests I had an improved of approx. 30% with my SB Live! 5.1 ) while providing 60 channel support on SBLive (Creative drivers only support 24). Actually creative drivers performed slightly WORSE even than the SOUNDMAX AC'97-based soundcard of my motherboard and I was about to throw the SBLive to the dustbin and curse Creative for their awful software until I tried KX. However, it is really a pity that EAX is not supported and there are some isues with DS3D thus spoiling somehow the overal impression. Eugene, when you manage to add EAX support you will trully have achieved perfection ! Keep up the good work!

Feb 21, 2004, 09:04 PM	#2
miguel DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 209 Rep Power: 0	I have a feeling it would start crashing the moment eax is implemented. Really kx was born as an improvement for musicians and audiophiles and i think it should be kept that way. anyway that's my opinion and i don't have any right to speak, i've not donated (yet) btw isn't the poll a bit biased? it'd be good to have fourth choice in the poll like NOT AT ALL, to make contrast with MUST HAVE

Feb 23, 2004, 08:48 PM	Thread Starter #4
roadrunner900 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	miguel, the "not important" answer is same as "not at all" and I think as i said that you forget KX solved many and i mean MANY crashing problems of creative drivers. almost all directX9 supporting games crash with creative drivers. so i want ppl to VOTE so that maybe the demand will come from the public.

Feb 24, 2004, 09:25 AM	#6
HarmLammers DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68 Rep Power: 0	And if you want even people not using any 3d possiblity to vote, you should ask their opinion in the main folder and not in the 3d folder which they perhaps even don't read...

Jun 21, 2004, 07:59 AM	#9
cjber DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cali, Col. Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	EAX SUPPORT No, the soundfont support isn't better than the creative drivers yet

Jun 27, 2004, 09:18 PM	#11
cjber DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cali, Col. Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	well, I have less issues with creative drivers when I use soundfonts (and yes, I tried all sorts of option with kx drivers, they still need a few more compatibility).

Jun 28, 2004, 03:35 PM	#13
Ace MacLeod DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Russian, Mytischy Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	kx is best for music. It's best for home cinema based on PC (as i heard). Finaly it must becom best for gamers. The only one thig that's stoping me from installing kx - is bad eax support. I really need it 'cause i'm gamer

Jul 3, 2004, 05:01 PM	#15
lumpeh DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	I think demand for full EAX will rise next year as games like BF2 take full advantage of 3.0 to improve battle awareness in-game. Personally though i still get surround in my games & thats enough for me till the above mention game is released.

Jul 3, 2004, 06:09 PM	#16
ReWired HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	I am not using Creative drivers for many many months... So, is there any news about this EAX? I think - NO. As I saw before, EAX is ONLY a DSP presets (few effects and settings for them). You can make these preset by your own, save the DSP window and you are ready. Almost all musicians do this all the time - different effects and connections, saved in many DSP settings files for any purpose.

Aug 8, 2004, 03:34 PM	#22
dirge DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	I would also like to see EAX supported by the KX project. In time I am sure it will be. If energy is better served cleaning up the code and squashing bugs, I would like to see that happen first. Last edited by dirge; Dec 1, 2004 at 08:06 PM.

Aug 20, 2004, 11:38 PM	#23
facundo montoya DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: new york Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	I do not yearn for creative EAX and so on.. Kx's Creator is the King! But I'm still looking for the alternative of the little stuff known as "time scaling". In creative I could find them in EAX-Console implementation- I think. I'm a musician and this gadget is very usefull for me. I don't mean "time stretch"-audio process. Maybe somebody will show me the way in kx. Great Thanks for Heroes! Last edited by facundo montoya; Aug 23, 2004 at 12:00 AM.

Aug 31, 2004, 10:26 PM	#24
cArnYgE DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Yes, I need EAX support. There is absolutely no reason to own an Augidy/Audigy 2 based card and not need it. EAX is one of the major selling points and best things about Creative Labs cards. While I agree that the KX Drivers offers better quality sound. It is not enough to totally counter the lack of this great technology (EAX). Until full EAX/7.1 support is utilized the KX Dproject drivers are fairly useless to me. Also, what do you people do to your computers that the Audigy 2 zs drivers crash your games? Lord, I dont think I have ever experienced a game crashing, with my current hardware that has not been directly traceable to anything BUT the soundcard (GFX {ATI & nVidia}, DX, background app). Furthermore the only problems I have with sound and games are for old Direct X 7 games and EAX (Games that were tailored to the SoundBlaster Live! cards and not even 100% compatible with windows 2k/xp) The single biggest problem I have with the standard Creative (Audigy 2zs) Drivers is that the little speaker icon disappears when the Windows shell crashes and how creative simply cannot release a standalone updated driver so i dont have to use the damnable CD and THEN install the updates... -cArnYgE

Sep 4, 2004, 02:21 AM	#25
DMNXS DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Leipzig, Germany Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	Well, I am only using the creative drivers at the moment because Mafia doesn't work correctly (no dialogs), and I miss kX already. I was able to install them (EAX4; not all the extra software updates like mixer, recorder, etc. - they stay installed regardless of drivers) perfectly without installing the original drivers from the CD first. Did you try the auto-update function at creatives website?

Sep 8, 2004, 02:07 AM	#26
undernet DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Pleeeeeease EAX support... pretty pretty please with sugar on top. Swear I´d donate if you kx guys did that. Those drivers rule!

Sep 8, 2004, 03:49 AM	#28
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	EAX has no use for musicians, and to attend musicians is the original purpose of kx drivers... __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Sep 13, 2004, 02:11 AM	#29
facundo montoya DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: new york Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	to Daniel Drummond; "time scaling" ( from EAX console- Audigy 2) is very usefull for me, for musician. I have not found alternative for this.... yet.