sb022x and 6 independent channels?

Behaviour · Jul 11, 2005, 05:23 PM

Hello!
Firstly: i'm not much experienced in kx drivers and i don't know how to use dsp and other stuff..
I'm using kx drivers with sb0220 - it have 3 analog outputs, for front, rear and for center/subwoofer. I want to use all of this outputs independent as a 'normal' stereo output (like on front) but i don't know how to separate third output (for center/sub). I think that third output is possible to play with fully stereo sound, cause if i check in mixer 'Toggle Route headphones to Center/Subwoofer mode' then third output plays in stereo but that same sound comes also on rear output (i wanted to use it in asio, and i've selected 8/9 asio output and it plays on sub/center output and also on rear :/ ).
Is this possible?
Thanks for any help.

Behaviour · Jul 12, 2005, 10:08 AM

Ok. I've learned something about kX DSP/surrounder/epilog and i've connected it in some other way. Now i have 3 independent outputs, but third (center/sub) is only mono (i've connected one 'Center' output from surrounder to Analog Center and Subwoofer and on two channels are same sound in DSP - it isn't stereo but.. ). Anyway stereo on third output will be great!

**dj_stick** · Jul 12, 2005, 10:14 AM

it is stereo - but if you want to have fully independent outputs

connect fxbus 4/5 to front, fxbus 6/7 to rear, fxbus 8/9 to sub/center and you'll be right

these outpus will correspond with the waveo uts (ie wave 4/5,6/7,8/9)

Behaviour · Jul 12, 2005, 02:01 PM

I think that isn't stereo (on third output).. if i set balance example on winamp to left then two speakers plays. On 'factory' settings of DSP and 5.1 speak mode in surrounder only one channel (right?) plays on third output, i can set 'bass redirection' in surrounder but only bass plays left(?) channel and on right anything is normal. I want to use third output like front/rear - as a normal output for speakers/mixer/anything .. not for 5.1 systems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

connect fxbus 4/5 to front, fxbus 6/7 to rear, fxbus 8/9 to sub/center and you'll be right

these outpus will correspond with the waveo uts (ie wave 4/5,6/7,8/9)

Could you give me more details about it? I wrote - i'm not much experienced in kX DSP

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Maddogg6 · Jul 12, 2005, 07:25 PM

Are you a DJ by chance looking to use the soundcards extra outputs for say, I don;'t know the right words... to be able to hear 1 thing in say headphones while something else is playing through the speakers.

I think this is called 'cueing' - but Im not a DJ.

If I am correct in my assumption above - winamp wont do it - you need DJ software that allows for 'cueing'.

If im wrong, please give more details on your goal.

Behaviour · Jul 12, 2005, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

Are you a DJ by chance looking to use the soundcards extra outputs for say, I don;'t know the right words... to be able to hear 1 thing in say headphones while something else is playing through the speakers.

I think this is called 'cueing' - but Im not a DJ.

If I am correct in my assumption above - winamp wont do it - you need DJ software that allows for 'cueing'.

If im wrong, please give more details on your goal.

You're 'half right' .. i want to connect soundcard to mixer, but i want to use three 'virtually decks' (in mixvibes). That is possible but..
I know that card is 'officially' 5.1 and that means, the only 4 'normal' stereo speakers + center/subwoofer can be used. But third output can be use also as a 'normal' .. i don't know how to fully separate these outputs to stereo signals.

Russ · Jul 12, 2005, 10:46 PM

As dj_stick indicated, you want to connect FxBus(4/5), FxBus(6/7), and FxBus(8/9) directly to the outputs that you want to use (on epilog). You would not use Surrounder or xrouting in this config as they are designed for 8 point surround sound.

Russ · Jul 12, 2005, 10:54 PM

BTW: On your card (with the default routing):
FxBus(4/5) would be the 5th/6th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Front inputs of epilog.
FxBus(6/7) would be the 7th/8th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Rear inputs of epilog.
FxBus(8/9) would be the 9th/10th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Center/LFE inputs of epilog.

Maddogg6 · Jul 12, 2005, 11:00 PM

I am able to accomplish this with using the default DSP setup by simply:

A - set winapms output-Directsound plugin to use the [b800] channels 8/9

Set up surrounder to 5.1 direct path preset and hook up analog speakers to the #3 output.

Panning works as it should and sounds fine. (A2ZS Plat)

Behaviour · Jul 13, 2005, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

BTW: On your card (with the default routing):
FxBus(4/5) would be the 5th/6th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Front inputs of epilog.
FxBus(6/7) would be the 7th/8th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Rear inputs of epilog.
FxBus(8/9) would be the 9th/10th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Center/LFE inputs of epilog.

Thanks, that works and i have three full stereo independent outputs lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

Panning works as it should and sounds fine. (A2ZS Plat)

I think that should be work cause AFAIK A2ZS is declared as 6ch card, not like sblive (10k1) - 5.1 ch.

Maddogg6 · Jul 13, 2005, 05:18 PM

Nope, I did more investigating and If I use those outputs through surrounder - it works, but its only mono - so I suspect the surrounder is converting that to mono - which makes sens because both the center and woofer are mono individually.

Behaviour · Jul 25, 2005, 05:35 PM

It's again me

Would to know.
If i have set these 6 independent outputs how must i connect in routing RecL and RecR?
I'm connecting two outputs (e.g. 4 and 5) to RecL and RecR to epilog but if i want to record in any program only one channel (right) is recording.

Russ · Jul 25, 2005, 07:26 PM

To tell you the truth, MME recording with epilog is strange (at least it seems that way to me, maybe it is a bug with my sound card, but I cannot get it to work the way I would expect it to, much of the time).

I think your best bet is to use the ProFx "kxlt" plugin (instead of epilog) for MME recording (as it does act like I expect it to).
i.e. (with kxlt)
Connect FxBus(4/5) to Analog Front Out.
Connect FxBus(6/7) to Analog Rear Out.
Connect FxBus(8/9) to Analog Center/LFE Out.
Then connect whichever source you want to record to WinMME Recording (of kxlt).

Russ · Jul 25, 2005, 09:42 PM

BTW: After playing around with it a bit, I noticed that if you connect something else in between the source and RecL/RecR it will work like it should. I guess it does not like being directly connected to the FxBus.

Behaviour · Jul 25, 2005, 11:02 PM

Big thanx Ross! This works very fine.

Russ · Jul 25, 2005, 11:13 PM

I am glad I could help.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Aug 29, 2005, 12:33 AM

>> I guess it does not like being directly connected to the FxBus

exactly
e.

Jul 11, 2005, 05:23 PM	#1
Behaviour HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	sb022x and 6 independent channels? Hello! Firstly: i'm not much experienced in kx drivers and i don't know how to use dsp and other stuff.. I'm using kx drivers with sb0220 - it have 3 analog outputs, for front, rear and for center/subwoofer. I want to use all of this outputs independent as a 'normal' stereo output (like on front) but i don't know how to separate third output (for center/sub). I think that third output is possible to play with fully stereo sound, cause if i check in mixer 'Toggle Route headphones to Center/Subwoofer mode' then third output plays in stereo but that same sound comes also on rear output (i wanted to use it in asio, and i've selected 8/9 asio output and it plays on sub/center output and also on rear :/ ). Is this possible? Thanks for any help.

Jul 12, 2005, 10:54 PM	#8
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,561 Rep Power: 62	BTW: On your card (with the default routing): FxBus(4/5) would be the 5th/6th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Front inputs of epilog. FxBus(6/7) would be the 7th/8th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Rear inputs of epilog. FxBus(8/9) would be the 9th/10th output on FxBus. Connect directly to Center/LFE inputs of epilog. Last edited by Russ; Jul 12, 2005 at 11:01 PM.

Jul 12, 2005, 10:08 AM	Thread Starter #2
Behaviour HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	Ok. I've learned something about kX DSP/surrounder/epilog and i've connected it in some other way. Now i have 3 independent outputs, but third (center/sub) is only mono (i've connected one 'Center' output from surrounder to Analog Center and Subwoofer and on two channels are same sound in DSP - it isn't stereo but.. ). Anyway stereo on third output will be great!

Jul 12, 2005, 07:25 PM	#5
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Are you a DJ by chance looking to use the soundcards extra outputs for say, I don;'t know the right words... to be able to hear 1 thing in say headphones while something else is playing through the speakers. I think this is called 'cueing' - but Im not a DJ. If I am correct in my assumption above - winamp wont do it - you need DJ software that allows for 'cueing'. If im wrong, please give more details on your goal.

Jul 12, 2005, 10:46 PM	#7
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,561 Rep Power: 62	As dj_stick indicated, you want to connect FxBus(4/5), FxBus(6/7), and FxBus(8/9) directly to the outputs that you want to use (on epilog). You would not use Surrounder or xrouting in this config as they are designed for 8 point surround sound.

Jul 12, 2005, 11:00 PM	#9
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	I am able to accomplish this with using the default DSP setup by simply: A - set winapms output-Directsound plugin to use the [b800] channels 8/9 Set up surrounder to 5.1 direct path preset and hook up analog speakers to the #3 output. Panning works as it should and sounds fine. (A2ZS Plat)

Jul 13, 2005, 05:18 PM	#11
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Nope, I did more investigating and If I use those outputs through surrounder - it works, but its only mono - so I suspect the surrounder is converting that to mono - which makes sens because both the center and woofer are mono individually.

Jul 25, 2005, 05:35 PM	Thread Starter #12
Behaviour HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	It's again me Would to know. If i have set these 6 independent outputs how must i connect in routing RecL and RecR? I'm connecting two outputs (e.g. 4 and 5) to RecL and RecR to epilog but if i want to record in any program only one channel (right) is recording.

Jul 25, 2005, 07:26 PM	#13
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,561 Rep Power: 62	To tell you the truth, MME recording with epilog is strange (at least it seems that way to me, maybe it is a bug with my sound card, but I cannot get it to work the way I would expect it to, much of the time). I think your best bet is to use the ProFx "kxlt" plugin (instead of epilog) for MME recording (as it does act like I expect it to). i.e. (with kxlt) Connect FxBus(4/5) to Analog Front Out. Connect FxBus(6/7) to Analog Rear Out. Connect FxBus(8/9) to Analog Center/LFE Out. Then connect whichever source you want to record to WinMME Recording (of kxlt).

Jul 25, 2005, 09:42 PM	#14
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,561 Rep Power: 62	BTW: After playing around with it a bit, I noticed that if you connect something else in between the source and RecL/RecR it will work like it should. I guess it does not like being directly connected to the FxBus.

Jul 25, 2005, 11:02 PM	Thread Starter #15
Behaviour HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	Big thanx Ross! This works very fine.

Jul 25, 2005, 11:13 PM	#16
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,561 Rep Power: 62	I am glad I could help.

Aug 29, 2005, 12:33 AM	#17
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	>> I guess it does not like being directly connected to the FxBus exactly e.