Horror story: installing X800 XT AIW

Aurora · Apr 22, 2006, 06:34 PM

Here's everything up to now: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/windows-xp-radeon-display-drivers/104122-omega-driver-38231-install-fails.html

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 23, 2006, 02:53 AM

...and?

What exactly is the purpose for posting that here? I mean... I understand you're having trouble with the drivers but that belongs where you put it

Chaos · Apr 23, 2006, 02:59 AM

I tend to agree, no need to duplicate it. And it seems that Dyre Straits is working through things with you.

Aurora · Apr 23, 2006, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaos

I tend to agree, no need to duplicate it. And it seems that Dyre Straits is working through things with you.

If you read his last post there, you'll see he's out of ideas and suggested I move here. My referral to that topic frees me from having to retype everything I already did and you from suggesting everything he already did.

TJ- · Apr 23, 2006, 07:54 AM

have you tried doing a fresh install of windows?

Aurora · Apr 23, 2006, 02:03 PM

If you mean FORMAT C:, then basically no.

Last year I upgraded from a P3 450 with Win98 to this system. It took me six weeks to go from a blank hard drive to having everything installed and running more or less smoothly. I don't want to be stuck with the P3 for another 6+ weeks of reconstruction.

At one point, since I did have a full backup, I thought I'd have a look at the effect of a format. I nuked the C: partition and tried installing. The Windows installer re-arranged all the drive letters (another reason I've always hated drive letters). The end result of that would be even worse, so I restored before the installation was even done.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 23, 2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

If you mean FORMAT C:, then basically no.

Last year I upgraded from a P3 450 with Win98 to this system. It took me six weeks to go from a blank hard drive to having everything installed and running more or less smoothly. I don't want to be stuck with the P3 for another 6+ weeks of reconstruction.

At one point, since I did have a full backup, I thought I'd have a look at the effect of a format. I nuked the C: partition and tried installing. The Windows installer re-arranged all the drive letters (another reason I've always hated drive letters). The end result of that would be even worse, so I restored before the installation was even done.

You should really format and install Windows from fresh if you haven't.... I don't know why it would take 6 weeks to get up and running again

niceguyrichy · Apr 23, 2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

I don't want to be stuck with the P3 for another 6+ weeks of reconstruction.

what the hell do you do to it for it to take six weeks???

so long as I make sure I got all my drivers handy it only takes me a couple hours generally speaking

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 23, 2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by niceguyrichy

what the hell do you do to it for it to take six weeks???

so long as I make sure I got all my drivers handy it only takes me a couple hours generally speaking

Thank you for your strong worded support....

He's right though it should really only take the better part of one day to get up and running again. I just did 3 machines in < 2 days but thats just from experience.

A format would remove the possibility of a hidden software issue

Aurora · Apr 24, 2006, 02:02 AM

My D:\Program Files has 227 directories in it (not counting the directories that programs make for themselves deeper down). Segregation is never really achieved, though, since so many programs still put DLLs, configurations, and other stuff in C:\WINNT, C:\Documents and Settings, the registry, etc., so I can count on having to re-install almost everything -- and I'm not going to work on it 24/7. Re-installing all the Windows updates will also take a good bit of time as well. It won't help that D: will get changed to C:, either, since paths to things will be broken.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 24, 2006, 02:13 AM

Why not just reinstall all the applications in the C:\ directory... and save any actual files you need... the rest you can recreate from reinstalls.

I find there is usually nothing within the program files of any value

OldBuzzard · Apr 24, 2006, 04:31 AM

If I'm not mistaken, you need to install the WDM drivers BEFORE you install the video drivers.

From what I saw, you are loading the vid drivers first, and that may be the problem.

Also, have you tried using the original CD that came with the card? It may not have the 'latest and greatest' drivers and such on it, but it should at least get the card working, and give you a starting point.

That's what I did in upgrading from a 9600XT to my X800XT AIW and I had no problems like you are having.

Aurora · Apr 24, 2006, 07:45 PM

Buzzards are known for their great eyesight, and maybe you found the answer there. So that's where I'm going next.

Aurora · Apr 26, 2006, 04:24 AM

Still no good.

I did the Driver Cleaner etc. thing first. Then installed the WDM version on the same page as the Omega driver downloads. I also noticed ATI said not to reboot between installing WDM and Catalyst, so I moved right on Omega. Eventually I get Omega working and install AVS_T200 manually. I still don't know for sure whether WDM is installed completely and correctly, even though its setup completed without complaints.

Now on to MMC. The UCI part installs ok, but the ENU part silently crashes when running its setup.exe. Same in both 9.06.1 and 9.08.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 26, 2006, 02:36 PM

Do you have that dao_mdac installed?

Aurora · Apr 26, 2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

Do you have that dao_mdac installed?

They are part of the UCI package. That one did install ok.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 26, 2006, 07:57 PM

DId you try downloading them seperately perhaps?

OldBuzzard · Apr 27, 2006, 12:36 AM

Have you tried just using the original Driver/Software CD that you got with the card?

If not maybe you should give that a try. Clean off all the drivers, and when you do the last re-boot and XP wants to 'install new hardware' cancel it out, and then use the CD. If it works, then you would have something installed, and it would give you a base for upgrading to the newer Cats.

However, going to the newest MMC may not be a good idea. There is a post or two regarding that issue

Aurora · Apr 27, 2006, 12:54 AM

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DId you try downloading them seperately perhaps?

If you mean MMC, then yes.
D:\Download\ATI\9-08_mmc_enu.exe
D:\Download\ATI\9-08_mmc_uci.exe
The uci package seems to install ok, but the enu one silently crashes without installing anything. Same with 9.06.1 and 9.08.

If you mean the drivers, then I did that for one version (besides the Omega and its WDM downloads).
D:\Download\ATI\6-2_xp-2k_dd_30152.exe
D:\Download\ATI\6-2_ccc_enu_30152.exe
D:\Download\ATI\6-2_xp-2k_wdm_30152.exe

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Have you tried just using the original Driver/Software CD that you got with the card?

Yes, and I did not fare any better (or worse, either). Just the same.

I can't use MMC 9.13 anyway because I use Win2000.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 27, 2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

I can't use MMC 9.13 anyway because I use Win2000.

That may be why the setup fails, the installershield.

Far fetched yes but I mean.... this is MMC we're talking about

Aurora · Apr 27, 2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

That may be why the setup fails, the installershield.

Far fetched yes but I mean.... this is MMC we're talking about

I'd rather stay with 2000 than switch to XtraProblems. Is Installshield circumventable?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 28, 2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

I'd rather stay with 2000 than switch to XtraProblems. Is Installshield circumventable?

No thats how MMC is installed IIRC. Its a far fetched idea anyway. Your next step might be to try using another app other than MMC. DScaler might work.

Aurora · Apr 30, 2006, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

No thats how MMC is installed IIRC. Its a far fetched idea anyway. Your next step might be to try using another app other than MMC. DScaler might work.

Nope. Dscaler's docs say AIW is unsupported.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 30, 2006, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

Nope. Dscaler's docs say AIW is unsupported.

They lied.

Apr 22, 2006, 06:34 PM	#1
Aurora DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 359 Rep Power: 0	Horror story: installing X800 XT AIW Here's everything up to now: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/windows-xp-radeon-display-drivers/104122-omega-driver-38231-install-fails.html

Apr 23, 2006, 02:59 AM	#3
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,269 Rep Power: 167 System Specs	I tend to agree, no need to duplicate it. And it seems that Dyre Straits is working through things with you. __________________

Apr 23, 2006, 07:54 AM	#5
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,679 Rep Power: 0	have you tried doing a fresh install of windows? __________________ new sig comming soon

Apr 24, 2006, 04:31 AM	#12
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,781 Rep Power: 142 System Specs	If I'm not mistaken, you need to install the WDM drivers BEFORE you install the video drivers. From what I saw, you are loading the vid drivers first, and that may be the problem. Also, have you tried using the original CD that came with the card? It may not have the 'latest and greatest' drivers and such on it, but it should at least get the card working, and give you a starting point. That's what I did in upgrading from a 9600XT to my X800XT AIW and I had no problems like you are having. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Apr 27, 2006, 12:36 AM	#18
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,781 Rep Power: 142 System Specs	Have you tried just using the original Driver/Software CD that you got with the card? If not maybe you should give that a try. Clean off all the drivers, and when you do the last re-boot and XP wants to 'install new hardware' cancel it out, and then use the CD. If it works, then you would have something installed, and it would give you a base for upgrading to the newer Cats. However, going to the newest MMC may not be a good idea. There is a post or two regarding that issue __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Apr 23, 2006, 02:53 AM	#2
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	...and? What exactly is the purpose for posting that here? I mean... I understand you're having trouble with the drivers but that belongs where you put it

Apr 23, 2006, 02:03 PM	Thread Starter #6
Aurora DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 359 Rep Power: 0	If you mean FORMAT C:, then basically no. Last year I upgraded from a P3 450 with Win98 to this system. It took me six weeks to go from a blank hard drive to having everything installed and running more or less smoothly. I don't want to be stuck with the P3 for another 6+ weeks of reconstruction. At one point, since I did have a full backup, I thought I'd have a look at the effect of a format. I nuked the C: partition and tried installing. The Windows installer re-arranged all the drive letters (another reason I've always hated drive letters). The end result of that would be even worse, so I restored before the installation was even done.

Apr 24, 2006, 02:02 AM	Thread Starter #10
Aurora DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 359 Rep Power: 0	My D:\Program Files has 227 directories in it (not counting the directories that programs make for themselves deeper down). Segregation is never really achieved, though, since so many programs still put DLLs, configurations, and other stuff in C:\WINNT, C:\Documents and Settings, the registry, etc., so I can count on having to re-install almost everything -- and I'm not going to work on it 24/7. Re-installing all the Windows updates will also take a good bit of time as well. It won't help that D: will get changed to C:, either, since paths to things will be broken.

Apr 24, 2006, 02:13 AM	#11
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Why not just reinstall all the applications in the C:\ directory... and save any actual files you need... the rest you can recreate from reinstalls. I find there is usually nothing within the program files of any value

Apr 24, 2006, 07:45 PM	Thread Starter #13
Aurora DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 359 Rep Power: 0	Buzzards are known for their great eyesight, and maybe you found the answer there. So that's where I'm going next.

Apr 26, 2006, 04:24 AM	Thread Starter #14
Aurora DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 359 Rep Power: 0	Still no good. I did the Driver Cleaner etc. thing first. Then installed the WDM version on the same page as the Omega driver downloads. I also noticed ATI said not to reboot between installing WDM and Catalyst, so I moved right on Omega. Eventually I get Omega working and install AVS_T200 manually. I still don't know for sure whether WDM is installed completely and correctly, even though its setup completed without complaints. Now on to MMC. The UCI part installs ok, but the ENU part silently crashes when running its setup.exe. Same in both 9.06.1 and 9.08.

Apr 26, 2006, 02:36 PM	#15
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Do you have that dao_mdac installed?

Apr 26, 2006, 07:57 PM	#17
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	DId you try downloading them seperately perhaps?