PiP with a AIW and a TV tuner

ROBSCIX · Jul 20, 2006, 10:51 PM

Hey Guys, I decided to find something to do this weekend so I grabbed a TV tuner card to go with my All in wonder. I am gonna try to get Picture and Picture going..has anybody tried this around here or has a setup running. It doesn't seem very common. I am waiting to get the tuner I seem to have everything else I will let you guys know how it turns out. IF you have any ifo for me PLS don't let me do this blind if you know of trick or tips let me know..thx

Dyre Straits · Jul 20, 2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX

Hey Guys, I decided to find something to do this weekend so I grabbed a TV tuner card to go with my All in wonder. I am gonna try to get Picture and Picture going..has anybody tried this around here or has a setup running. It doesn't seem very common. I am waiting to get the tuner I seem to have everything else I will let you guys know how it turns out. IF you have any ifo for me PLS don't let me do this blind if you know of trick or tips let me know..thx

I'm not sure which provider you're using. But, in our area we can no longer utilize PiP because of the limitations of the decoder box supplied by the Satellite service. If that's the case with you, you won't be able to use PiP unless you have TWO decoder boxes and then I don't know if it would/could work very well.

As long as you're getting your signal from a straight cable connection (without a decoder box) and/or from a Broadcast signal using an antenna, OR a combination of these, PiP is pretty well obsolete. I used to use it all the time before we switched to satellite.

Ghildebr · Jul 21, 2006, 12:22 AM

If you are using MMC < 9.13 and a over the air antenna you will not be able to receive any UHF channels on your secondary tuner card. This is fixed in MMC > 9.13 but MMC > 9.13 broke the ability to automatically mute and unmute as you toggle between the two TV screens. From what I have been told MMC < 9.13 and a cable signal work correctly.

ROBSCIX · Jul 21, 2006, 01:00 AM

I am using straight cable TV..to a spliter first then to the AIW and the TV tuner. I figured I might have to mess around with the MMC to get one that will work properly. I got such a good deal on the Theater 550 Pro I couldn't pass it up...even has a remote. SO that's my project for the weekend. I wouldn't say PiP is obsolete, I watch TV on the PC alot and record alot of shows..so I can be watching one show while recording another...etc. It has lots of uses..I just see it as another set of A/V inputs...can never have too many.

Dyre Straits · Jul 21, 2006, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX

I am using straight cable TV..to a spliter first then to the AIW and the TV tuner. I figured I might have to mess around with the MMC to get one that will work properly. I got such a good deal on the Theater 550 Pro I couldn't pass it up...even has a remote. SO that's my project for the weekend. I wouldn't say PiP is obsolete, I watch TV on the PC alot and record alot of shows..so I can be watching one show while recording another...etc. It has lots of uses..I just see it as another set of A/V inputs...can never have too many.

Well, let's define PiP (Picture in Picture).

According to the technology, it's the ability to view two signals on the same screen. You can be watching two different channels simultaneously with one being shown on a smaller viewing screen.

Now, in our area, with the satellite signal and the decoder box, we can only view one signal at a time on the same screen. However, with additional boxes, we can view various channels...but on different TVs...not on the same one.

If, however, you're using a cable TV service that doesn't require a decoder box, then, in your area with your service, you should be able to utilize the PiP feature.

For me though, with the limitations of the decoder box, I can only view one channel...no matter how many screens I use...from that one decoder box. If I even try to use another channel...say through my VCR...I only get 'snow'.

"Obsolete" probably wasn't the best choice of words. However, with many services leaning toward restricting viewing to only one channel at a time, it's probably not far off being a technology of the past.

ROBSCIX · Jul 21, 2006, 01:54 AM

Yeah I would have loved Satelite with a sat card..but my location doesn't permit it. Meaning my landlord said no,no. Now I can always view sat on this rig in the future by using a AV line in..but won't be able to do PiP. I wouldn't have went out of my way to add PiP to my rig. I got the card for such a great deal I couldn't pass it up. It also doesn't seem like acommon thing for guys to have in their rig. This card has some nifty features all on it's own though. It'll be agood addition. IS there anybody around who has done this set-up before? dual tuner PiP?

gadabout · Jul 21, 2006, 02:54 AM

Well, I have not done anything like that before... I just wanted to add that since we upgraded to DVR (through our cable provider), the decoder box allows me to do PiP.

Dyre Straits · Jul 21, 2006, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX

Yeah I would have loved Satelite with a sat card..but my location doesn't permit it. Meaning my landlord said no,no. Now I can always view sat on this rig in the future by using a AV line in..but won't be able to do PiP. I wouldn't have went out of my way to add PiP to my rig. I got the card for such a great deal I couldn't pass it up. It also doesn't seem like acommon thing for guys to have in their rig. This card has some nifty features all on it's own though. It'll be agood addition. IS there anybody around who has done this set-up before? dual tuner PiP?

Are you located in the US of A? If so, your landlord is likely in violation of FCC rules regarding the use and installation of satellite dishes on property that is in the exclusive use and/or possession of a tenant....such as a balcony or deck.

Read this:

http://ftp.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/consumerdish.html

ROBSCIX · Jul 21, 2006, 06:27 PM

You have PiP on the computer screen? that is what I am trying to do. I have th card here I will be installing it later...

Judas · Jul 21, 2006, 06:37 PM

um..

running 2 tuners, couldn't you just open 2 tuner windows?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 21, 2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

Are you located in the US of A? If so, your landlord is likely in violation of FCC rules regarding the use and installation of satellite dishes on property that is in the exclusive use and/or possession of a tenant....such as a balcony or deck.

Read this:

http://ftp.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/consumerdish.html

He's in good ol' limitation free Canada

The CRTC just says TV channels have to have so much Canadian content then everyone else can go hell

With the 2nd tuner you could do a PiP or have 2 tuner windows or watch and record TV.... this all from the back of my AiW box.

ROBSCIX · Jul 26, 2006, 09:18 PM

Well thx to some help from H3X, I finally got it working@Judas..no you can't just open two window's..not with MMC anyway...I could do it with other apps but I read I should be able to do it with MMC so that's what I was trying to do..so know I Can open MMC and view either tuners..click a button and the other tuner will open in a seperate window..very cool..All is working great..thx for the help guys..

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 28, 2006, 01:00 AM

Yeah an ATI feature that works... almost unreal

ROBSCIX · Jul 28, 2006, 01:12 AM

Nobody is more surprised then me. It doesn't seem like a very common thing. I probably wouldn't have tried except I got the tuner for so cheap and it's a great little board has stereo RCA inputs aswell as S-video...so I figured I would check about the PiP and what do you know after some messing around and help from H3X..and I got it running...imagine that!

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 28, 2006, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX

Nobody is more surprised then me. It doesn't seem like a very common thing. I probably wouldn't have tried except I got the tuner for so cheap and it's a great little board has stereo RCA inputs aswell as S-video...so I figured I would check about the PiP and what do you know after some messing around and help from H3X..and I got it running...imagine that!

Yeah yeah yeah keep rubbing it in that you always get things to work

ROBSCIX · Jul 31, 2006, 03:26 AM

Consider that when I get my new mobo and CPU that my luck might change.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 31, 2006, 03:28 PM

Consider it considered

ROBSCIX · Aug 2, 2006, 02:49 AM

with my new mobo though H3X I think I am just gonna add a dedicated GFX card for games as the mobo has a AGP and A PCI-E and pci's and you can use them all at the same time..so I want to keep my video setup but I think after awhile I will want something with a little more heft to play games with. what do you think? I know sounds like alot of problems...

H3X4D3C1M4L · Aug 3, 2006, 10:30 PM

I wouldn't bother with an AGP and PCI-E mobo.. I'd just get a straight up PCI-E board and invest the money in a high end mobo...that's just me, I don't see the point in running an AGP card and a PCI-E one.

Now running a dedicated GFX card and separate TV tuner... that's a good idea

ROBSCIX · Aug 4, 2006, 12:03 AM

Well the thing is I don't have the money to go and get anothe GFX card for the PCI-E slot...BUT I do have it when I want to use it down the road. The mobo I decided on the Asrock DualSataII is a great little mobo gets glowing reviews and can be upgraded alot. I just bought this AGP card a while back so I want to keep it for awhile becuase it doesn't cause me any issues..it works exactly hwo it's supposed to and after reading in this forum enough I realize that is a rare case indeed when speaking about the All in Wonders. So I kinda like the gear I have right now but the day will come when I want another PCI-E solution for gaming alone. So I still have the card in the AGP slot for my VIVO concerns..good little setup when I think about it..I will also have a AUX VIVO on the PCI bus aswell...that one I am not sure I am gonna keep.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Aug 4, 2006, 02:52 AM

Fair enough, I just don't see it worthwhile putting the money into anything AGP at this point myself unless you're already stuck on an AGP platform.

ROBSCIX · Aug 4, 2006, 07:17 PM

I bought the AIW because I wasn't sure when I was getting a new MOBO...then I seen the Asrock Duall SataII So I can keep the gear I have now and add newer stuff as I see fit..very great feature..add in the expansion board to the mobob and it supports even more hardware. I w sh all manufacturers made mobos in this way. See that mobo has FULL SPEED AGP 8X aswell as 16X PCI-X so what would you call it a AGP? or a PCI-E?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Aug 6, 2006, 06:22 AM

I'd call it..both... I guess

That's a good question

Maybe AGI-E

Or PCG 8x

Jul 20, 2006, 10:51 PM	#1
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	PiP with a AIW and a TV tuner Hey Guys, I decided to find something to do this weekend so I grabbed a TV tuner card to go with my All in wonder. I am gonna try to get Picture and Picture going..has anybody tried this around here or has a setup running. It doesn't seem very common. I am waiting to get the tuner I seem to have everything else I will let you guys know how it turns out. IF you have any ifo for me PLS don't let me do this blind if you know of trick or tips let me know..thx

Jul 21, 2006, 12:22 AM	#3
Ghildebr DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	If you are using MMC < 9.13 and a over the air antenna you will not be able to receive any UHF channels on your secondary tuner card. This is fixed in MMC > 9.13 but MMC > 9.13 broke the ability to automatically mute and unmute as you toggle between the two TV screens. From what I have been told MMC < 9.13 and a cable signal work correctly. Last edited by Ghildebr; Jul 21, 2006 at 01:04 AM.

Jul 21, 2006, 01:00 AM	Thread Starter #4
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	I am using straight cable TV..to a spliter first then to the AIW and the TV tuner. I figured I might have to mess around with the MMC to get one that will work properly. I got such a good deal on the Theater 550 Pro I couldn't pass it up...even has a remote. SO that's my project for the weekend. I wouldn't say PiP is obsolete, I watch TV on the PC alot and record alot of shows..so I can be watching one show while recording another...etc. It has lots of uses..I just see it as another set of A/V inputs...can never have too many. Last edited by ROBSCIX; Jul 21, 2006 at 01:09 AM.

Jul 21, 2006, 02:54 AM	#7
gadabout Im Zaphod Beeblebrox Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 89 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Well, I have not done anything like that before... I just wanted to add that since we upgraded to DVR (through our cable provider), the decoder box allows me to do PiP. __________________ AMD64 X2 3800+ 2GB DDR400 Dual Channel 250GB SATA Seagate \| 500GB SATA WD (WAS an external HD unit, until closure failed) DVD+/-RW Dual Layer w/ Lightscribe \| Plextor DVD+/-RW Dual Layer ATI MSI RX3870 OC Edition PCI-E 2.0 Windows 7 64bit

Jul 21, 2006, 01:54 AM	Thread Starter #6
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Yeah I would have loved Satelite with a sat card..but my location doesn't permit it. Meaning my landlord said no,no. Now I can always view sat on this rig in the future by using a AV line in..but won't be able to do PiP. I wouldn't have went out of my way to add PiP to my rig. I got the card for such a great deal I couldn't pass it up. It also doesn't seem like acommon thing for guys to have in their rig. This card has some nifty features all on it's own though. It'll be agood addition. IS there anybody around who has done this set-up before? dual tuner PiP?

Jul 21, 2006, 06:27 PM	Thread Starter #9
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	You have PiP on the computer screen? that is what I am trying to do. I have th card here I will be installing it later...

Jul 26, 2006, 09:18 PM	Thread Starter #12
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Well thx to some help from H3X, I finally got it working@Judas..no you can't just open two window's..not with MMC anyway...I could do it with other apps but I read I should be able to do it with MMC so that's what I was trying to do..so know I Can open MMC and view either tuners..click a button and the other tuner will open in a seperate window..very cool..All is working great..thx for the help guys..

Jul 28, 2006, 01:00 AM	#13
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Yeah an ATI feature that works... almost unreal

Jul 28, 2006, 01:12 AM	Thread Starter #14
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Nobody is more surprised then me. It doesn't seem like a very common thing. I probably wouldn't have tried except I got the tuner for so cheap and it's a great little board has stereo RCA inputs aswell as S-video...so I figured I would check about the PiP and what do you know after some messing around and help from H3X..and I got it running...imagine that!

Jul 31, 2006, 03:26 AM	Thread Starter #16
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Consider that when I get my new mobo and CPU that my luck might change.

Jul 31, 2006, 03:28 PM	#17
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Consider it considered

Aug 2, 2006, 02:49 AM	Thread Starter #18
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	with my new mobo though H3X I think I am just gonna add a dedicated GFX card for games as the mobo has a AGP and A PCI-E and pci's and you can use them all at the same time..so I want to keep my video setup but I think after awhile I will want something with a little more heft to play games with. what do you think? I know sounds like alot of problems...

Aug 3, 2006, 10:30 PM	#19
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I wouldn't bother with an AGP and PCI-E mobo.. I'd just get a straight up PCI-E board and invest the money in a high end mobo...that's just me, I don't see the point in running an AGP card and a PCI-E one. Now running a dedicated GFX card and separate TV tuner... that's a good idea

Aug 4, 2006, 12:03 AM	Thread Starter #20
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Well the thing is I don't have the money to go and get anothe GFX card for the PCI-E slot...BUT I do have it when I want to use it down the road. The mobo I decided on the Asrock DualSataII is a great little mobo gets glowing reviews and can be upgraded alot. I just bought this AGP card a while back so I want to keep it for awhile becuase it doesn't cause me any issues..it works exactly hwo it's supposed to and after reading in this forum enough I realize that is a rare case indeed when speaking about the All in Wonders. So I kinda like the gear I have right now but the day will come when I want another PCI-E solution for gaming alone. So I still have the card in the AGP slot for my VIVO concerns..good little setup when I think about it..I will also have a AUX VIVO on the PCI bus aswell...that one I am not sure I am gonna keep.

Aug 4, 2006, 02:52 AM	#21
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Fair enough, I just don't see it worthwhile putting the money into anything AGP at this point myself unless you're already stuck on an AGP platform.

Aug 4, 2006, 07:17 PM	Thread Starter #22
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	I bought the AIW because I wasn't sure when I was getting a new MOBO...then I seen the Asrock Duall SataII So I can keep the gear I have now and add newer stuff as I see fit..very great feature..add in the expansion board to the mobob and it supports even more hardware. I w sh all manufacturers made mobos in this way. See that mobo has FULL SPEED AGP 8X aswell as 16X PCI-X so what would you call it a AGP? or a PCI-E?

Aug 6, 2006, 06:22 AM	#23
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I'd call it..both... I guess That's a good question Maybe AGI-E Or PCG 8x