Sashaband

ROBSCIX

This issue can usually be fixed by using the TV on demand Registry fix, see by default the newer MMC's ALWAYS record..100% of the time and on alot of ssytems it just slow things down makes changing channels a pain..A?V sync issues..etc run s searc for TV on demand registry fix.....when I Can find it I will post it for you..

H3X4D3C1M4L

Have you checked out my dual boot AiW idea thread? So far its working like a charm for me in lieu of the crap ATI software

Sashaband

would this be the registry fix where you're changing the 0 to a 1 or something of that nature? I've seen some postings on this fix but can't remember where I saw it. If someone could tell me what the registry tweak is, I'll give it a shot.

ROBSCIX

yeah thats the one it's:
Hkey_current_user > software >Ati Technologies >multimedia > features > DTV >Channel Manager
in the right hand pane there is a Dword called Live Mode change it to a 1
remeber this location because it changes itself back sometimes..

Sashaband

when I try to get to channel manager, I'm stuck after the features tab. After features, there is no DTV. There is a TV, but in that subsection there is no channel manager. Have I done something wrong, or am I missing something?

ROBSCIX

are you clicking the little cross beside fetures to expand the branch?

Sashaband

Hkey_current_user > software >Ati Technologies >multimedia > features >.......after this, things change up a bit.

My choices after features are : EPG, Gallery, MFPlay, Scheduele, TenFtUI, TV

I can only expand gallery, and tv

ROBSCIX

heres the one I followed, if you don't have the same keys then I am not sure what to tell you.

How to turn off TV on demand on Analog TV
And get 480i back on analog TV
open the registry: Start->regedit
Go to this location:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\ATI Technologies\MultiMedia\Features\DTV\Channel Manager
give the key "LiveMode" the value "1"
And TV-on demand will be off for analog and digital TV (HDTV).

THX to dolimite35
THis fixed the Sync issue for me...should work for you as well..

H3X4D3C1M4L

You could create that key in that location and see how it goes

ROBSCIX

NO>>NO,NO Your using a older version of the MMC that's why you dopn't have that key!!!...figured it out, it's been bugging me..I have to figure this one out a bit more.... I will get back to you....
try updating your chipset drivers while I am figuring this out..H3X do you think it may be the SP driver issue? -where the user needs to change the sound driver?

Sashaband

I originally thought that I couldn't do the reg tweak 'cause I had an older mmc version installed, and you've confirmed it. I currently have 9.06.1 installed as I've read that this version would fix the channel changing lag. No such luck.

I don't want to install anything past 9.08 as tvod is automatically installed. That lags the system huge. The tweak you gave me if I'm not mistaken is used to disable tvod with the newer models of mmc. If I'm wrong about that, let me know.

So, from my understanding, I won't be able to do the tweak unless I install a newer version of mmc, which I'm not willing to do. I tried installing a newer version with tvod, and tried the reg tweak a while back, but it still lagged and the channel changing was rediculously slow.

As for the motherboard drivers, it's a bit tricky. If I update my motherboard drivers, DMA is not enabled. This means that without DMA, the tv is horrible. I spent the better part of a century trying to figure out a way to enable DMA using my up to date motherboard drivers, but eventually gave up. Therefore, I uninstalled the nvidia drivers and went with the generic drivers which at least enables DMA. I don't really know what else to do. My motherboard specs are in my original post.

I'm still also wondering if my powerbox has anything to do with this. I need to get a new one and will do so in the next few days. I didn't realize how much juice the new video card and even monitor sucks up.....especially when playing games that hog up everything your system has such as need for speed most wanted.

I appreciate the help all y'all are giving me. I've learned quite a bit in the past couple of weeks. I love AIW, but tweaking this thing to get it going right is starting to get frustrating.

H3X4D3C1M4L

Maybe your motherboard is damaged or a BIOS setting isn't working which is why your mobo's DMA won't come on...chipset drivers help alot in situations like gaming and heavy bus traffic for sure.

As for the MMC upgrade well... you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I guess you'll have to go for the lesser of two evils, perhaps installing the new AVS_T200 stream drivers and the new MMC may work for your system

ROBSCIX

I don't understand why you can't turn on DMA? that is probably you whole issue in a nut shell...

Sashaband

I've wondered about the possibility of a BIOS setting not being enabled, but I've never checked.

This whole thing started when I was first told that DMA was not enabled when I tried to start the tv. I had my latest motherboard drivers installed (nvidia chipset drivers), and it said that DMA was enabled for my hard drives.

After trying a bunch of things and doing alot of reading, I ended up uininstalling the chipset drivers. When I did my reboot, windows picked up the hardware settings and installed the generice ide drivers. The setting "DMA if available" was automatically set. Performance was a bit better for the MMC (i think), but over all, it was still poor and channel changing was horrid. That's when I came here to ask for help.

I've re-installed the latest chip set drivers which was done without a hitch. I'm now back to square one. I start the t.v., and I get the message that DMA is not enabled and performance will lack because of it.

My IDE settings are telling me that dma is enabled.....for both my hard drives (I have 2), and for both my dvd drive, and burner.

Reg tweaks, bios tweaks, reformatting, uninstall and reinstall both my hard drives, changing kernel settings? I dunno, I'm stuck.

Games are great, movies are great, tv absolutely sucks. It's funny, with my old card, multimedia including tv was fabulous, but the games were starting to lack. That's why I picked up the new card. Now I have the opposite.

ROBSCIX

did you look through the Device manager? did you build this system yourself? maybe you used older IDE cables? I don't know I am just throwing ideas out there...

Sashaband

i did build the system myself. As far as the cables go, are you asking if the cables are 80 pin cables? If so, to tell you the truth, I'm not sure.

Just Learnin'

I saw the same DMA is not enabled with the drivers that came with the AIW X800 XT I have. It is just a hokey error in ATI's detection software, which is absolute crap. The TV sucking is their drivers not your chipset drivers.

H3X4D3C1M4L

Oh, was it that ATI check utility telling you there was no DMA?

If so ignore it and install the chipset drivers.... good point Just Learnin'

Sashaband

That's something that I've considered as performance doesn't change either way. If I install the chipset drivers, the performance is junky. If I uninstall the drivers and use the generic ide drivers, the performance is still junky but I don't get the "performance will be degraded as DMA is not installed message".

If you don't mind, check out the mega post below. I posted this on the nvidia mobo forums to see if I can get some help there. So far, not a single reply. I'm just not convinced that the performance is junk because of the drivers installed. I wish I could remember what I had installed with my old AIW card and I could try that combination again. Seriously, the multimedia performance on that card was fabulous.

Anyways, my post is below. Thanks for all your efforts and help, it's really appreciated.

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I've been doing quite a bit of reading, and I've read a few threads regarding DMA in this, and other forums. If this topic has already been covered, please link me to the proper thread.

Here are my specs

Gigabyte K8Triton nforce 3 motherboard with the latest bios installed, and the latest chipset and IDE drivers installed.

AMD Athlon 3000+ Processor

Windows XP Professional with sp2 and the latest directx installed

20 gig Quantum Fireball (fat32) hard drive and is running my system
80 gig Maxtor NTFS(I've read that there are issues with maxtor hard drives and nforce mobos) hard drive which I use for downloads, storage, etc...

soundblaster Live5.1 audio card

ATI All-In-Wonder 2006 9600 series

512 mb ram

sony dvd drive and a LG CD-RW drive

AOC 19" wide screen LCD monitor

My issue has mainly to do with enabling DMA and using my video card. Specifically using the T.V. with my allinwonder card. I just purchased the new video card. I was using an old model all in wonder, but it wasn't cutting it anymore for games. The t.v. worked great, but the games were lagging. Now it's the complete opposite. Absolutely everything works great on my system, except for the tv, and I believe I know why.

I've installed the latest chipset drivers, ide drivers, and bios for the motherboard. I've cleanly installed everything for my video card as well. When I set up the tv, I'm given a message that performance will be degraded because DMA is not enabled for both my hard drives. Problem is, according to my system devices, dma is enabled for both my hard drives, and both my cd rom's. Performance for the tv is poor. Clarity is not like it used to be, there is slight jerky movement, and channel changing is horrible. Video games are the bomb right now and everything in that department is fine. It's really just the t.v.

Below is a picture and list of what I have:


Below will be some pictures of the contents of each of the two controllers listed in order. I will show the pictures of the first controller first, then the second.

First is a picture of the general specs for the first controller listed. The reason I've uploaded this picture is that I noticed that the primary usage option is greyed out and can't be used. I'm assuming that this is the device that I want to enable and use as apposed to the second controller, which you will see later in this post.


Here are my 2 hard drives and as you can see, DMA is enabled.


Here are my 2 cd roms and as you can see, DMA is enabled.


Now here is a picture of the general specs for the second controller listed. There are no devices attached as you will see below, but the option to enable or disable this device is available.




Finally, here is a picture of the driver specs,


When I uninstall the nvidia drivers and use the windows based ide drivers, I don't believe I get any performance change one way or another. It's not better, nor is it worse. I'd say "maybe" the tv works a bit better, but it's still terrible compared to what it use to be with the old video card. The windows ide gives me the option to enable dma, or use pio. It's always set to dma. If I try to install my tv using the windows dma, I can install everything without a hitch. If I update the nvidia drivers, I will get the error message indicating that dma is not enabled. I've even tried installing the program with the windows ide, then after the program is installed, I then install the nvidia drivers. The tv works, but every time I turn it on it reminds me that dma is not enabled.

I'm positive that if I can enable dma and still be using the nvidia drivers this will solve all my problems. If I can't use the nvidia drivers, it still doesn't solve my problems. I'm just not convinced that dma is enabled no matter what I'm using. The performance should be much better.

Things that I have read about but am not sure about are as follows:

- I've read that you need a 80 pin cable to be running my card properly or something of that nature. I have no idea if I have this or not.
- I have the latest bios installed, but I'm not sure if there is anything in the bios that will permanently enable dma.
- I've considered formatting and reinstalling everything, but I really don't wanna do that.

That's it. I really want to sort this out, and was hoping you could help. If you have any questions or suggestions, please let me know.

Thanks for your time and effort.

H3X4D3C1M4L

Just to adress...

1. The issue with nForce and Maxtor drives was with Maxtor DiamondMax 11 drives and early nForce 4 motherboards, so you're safe
2. An 80 conductor, 40 pin cable is for your hard drives, not video card, and it ensures they can run at the highest rated speed. Maybe look into replacing the cables or see if anyone has any spares and use those, see if it helps

Sashaband

yep, will do. I'm going to make sure that I have the proper cables installed......mind you I'm pretty sure they are the right cables, but I'm going to check to make sure.

How do the rest of the settings look? Everything look like it's hooked up correctly?

H3X4D3C1M4L

Everything else looks to me like logically and physically its all in place..... I can't explain the no DMA thing though. I'd ignore ATI's tool for reporting this crap and just install the latest chipset drivers

Sashaband

"The Device Usage option being greyed out for a controller with a boot drive attached is normal. Everything else indicates that DMA *is* enabled so the Q is: why does ATi's software think it isn't?... also how does it determine this? It's possible that the nVidia 5.11 driver pack is signalling this in a way, in the registry, which the ATi software can't figure out?... or could it be doing a speed test and saying your old Quantum drive, which is a bit of a relic, is just to slow.

I have had trouble with a nForce4 set up where I had a newish UDMA100 drive as master to an older UDMA33 DVD slave drive. It should have worked but access to the UDMA100 drive was so slow it basically did not work in WinXP - just timed out on every access. Did you try the Speed test of the two HDDs from the nForce Device Manager boxes?

My advice: dump the Quantum and put in either a SATA drive or a more recent PATA drive which matches the UDMA133 of the Maxtor and copy your system partition(s) over to the new drive."

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This is a quote from a response in the nvidia forums that I posted at. I'm very much considering dumping the hard drive and getting a newer hard drive instead.

This may sound a bit stupid, but here it goes.......

What does he mean by SATA or PATA drive......are these types of hard drives such as maxtor, or quantum......or are these types of drivers. I've seen the SATA listing before, but since I'm not exactly the most literate in this area, I'm not sure what it is.

Anyways, I was hoping you'd be able to answer that question and lemme know if you think this is a good idea.

I'm also considering getting another ram stick. Couldn't hurt.

ROBSCIX

SATA and PATA are transfer standards. your HDD's are PATA, or Parralell ATA..the SATA is Serial ATA.
Sata is a new standard and is faster being ATA150 whereas your fastest MAxtor PATA drive is ATA133...so I think what he was saying is lose the older drive like ATA33 or something and get a new high speed hard drive. Make sure you get or already have 80 pin IDE cables because if you don't you will only be able to go ATA66...hope that helps.

Sashaband

it did help.

I purchased another hard drive today, and will hook it up this weekend. I hate the fact that I have to start all over again, but such is life.

My old drive which I am currently running my system on is a 5400.....which is slow, and it's ancient. This new drive is actaully the same drive as my maxtor back up which is an 80 gig and the speed is i believe 7200 or something like that. It's also a pata133.

My motherboard will unfortunately not support sata.....which sucks because it can't be more than 6 months old. I think I got it around christmas time last year. The cables are all 80 pin as well.

Anyways, I'm hoping that the slow hard drive is the reason things like the tv lag a bit. A brand new fresh install of everything shouldn't hurt either. If it doesn't work, I'll be bummed, but I'll have 2 nice new hard drives with a fresh install so all won't be lost.

I know this is a bit off topic, but is there not a way for me to just transfer everything from one drive to another including all the program files instead of having to do a fresh install? I was thinking norton ghost, but if i remember correctly, ghosting a 20 gig drive to an 80 gig drive will cause the 80 gig drive to only read a max of 20 gigs......or something like that.

anyways, I'll let you know how it goes. You made me buy a new hard drive today so if this doesn't work, you owe me $70 bucks canadian lol.

Just kidding dude, you've been nothing short of fantastic.

ROBSCIX

Really that OLD drive would make everything LAG. You will notice your system will have a little more Pep when loading applications and doing other things..enjoy.

Sashaband

Unbelieveable. Absolutely unbelievable.

Got the new hard drive installed. I cloned the old drive and put it on the new drive.....don't know if that will make a difference or not. I really didn't want to start fresh and have to reinstall everything, which is why I cloned it. Formatting and starting fresh is my next step if I choose to go any farther.

It didn't do squat. Everything does run a bit faster. Programs, games, video......except for the t.v. Nothing changed.

However, I decided to try something that did help a bit. I went waaaaaayyyyy back and installed MMC 9.0 with the appropriate control panel, wdm drivers, video driver, dao.....you get the idea. The channel changing is actually faster than it was. Quality is ok, but still not as good as it should be.

The bottom line is that it works, and that the channel changing is tolerable at best. Of course it still says that DMA is not enabled which will diminish the over all quality. DMA is enabled. Stupid drivers.....the only way i know how to get rid of this is if I uninstall the motherboard ide drivers and go with the generics. But if i do that, I don't get the full capabilities of the motherboard drivers for games and other applications.

I'm going to uninstall the ide drivers and see if that does anything to the quality.

I was wondering if anyone has any other suggestions. I was thinking maybe I should try new tv viewing software. Reccomendations would be appreciated. I'm also thinking maybe I should just wipe the computer and start fresh.

I'm still happy that i got the new hard drive. Computer is quiter, everything (except for the tv) loads faster, games run faster, and i have lots of extra space.

This tv thing is driving me absolutely nuts.

ROBSCIX

You have loaded the newest chipset drivers for you mobo correct? if not then that may help. I am not sure what is going on but the new drive will help you. Glad you got the TV working "kinda"...hope it works out for ya..

Sashaband

yeah, all the drivers for the mobo are the latest drivers.