DX9.0B Breaks AIW TV on PAL cards

Shrink · Jul 25, 2003, 12:22 AM

Don't upgrade to the latest version of DX if you have an AIW card with PAL tv. Your TV tuner will no longer function. ATI knows about it and is working on a fix.

Konge Odin · Jul 25, 2003, 03:21 PM

What about TV text, mine was allready broken before upgrading to the latest dx90b, and now I cant watch TV either,

And now it is friday with the weekend and all. Hopefully I may be able to roll back the driver.

Shrink · Jul 25, 2003, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Konge Odin
What about TV text, mine was allready broken before upgrading to the latest dx90b, and now I cant watch TV either, And now it is friday with the weekend and all. Hopefully I may be able to roll back the driver.

Restore your system to the time before you installed 9.0b.

Dyre Straits · Jul 25, 2003, 08:24 PM

I think it's no accident that my Radeon 64 DDR VIVO Video-IN no longer works after upgrading to DX9.0b.

I'm using NTSC -- not PAL.

I've even tried reinstalling the newest WDM files. All I get is the Video In (7.6) splash screen. It's still sitting there after nearly 15 minutes.

Dyre Straits · Jul 25, 2003, 08:57 PM

UPDATE:

From SafeMode in 98SE, I reinstalled the WDM drivers. When I rebooted into 'normal' Windows, it redetected the new hardware.

I tried starting Video In again.

After hanging there for a few moments I did a CTRL-ALT-DEL and saw a new DllHost app running. I did an End Task on that and was able to get to the Video In Interface screen.

However, there's still no actual video coming from my host computer.

The only other 2 ATi apps running are:

Atiptaxx

Ati2evxx

AGAIN: I'm using NTSC....not PAL.

Dyre Straits · Jul 25, 2003, 10:00 PM

UPDATE: Good NEWS!

I just did another reinstall of the ATi video drivers and the Video-In is now working again.

This is AFTER I had installed the WDM files via Safemode and re-ran the DX9.0b Redistributable from about a week ago.

I'm now getting NTSC Video In working on my 64 DDR VIVO under 98SE and MMC 7.6.

*CATALYSTCATCHER* · Jul 30, 2003, 04:37 PM

Microsoft has been extremely proactive in assistaing us, on this issue.

They have islolated the problem and are developing a solution for the issue with DX9b, PAL AIW and TV Tuning.

Microsoft has also provided an official statement which is included in our INFOBASE document.

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4254.html

Again, I will stress that this issue is being dealt with at the highest priority.

Sorry, I don't have specific dates for a solution.

Shrink · Jul 30, 2003, 04:52 PM

Hi Catalystcatcher! Glad you could be lured over here

Thanks for the update!

Zardon · Jul 30, 2003, 04:53 PM

Yes nice to see you over here as well, welcome to the forum CC.

baiaz · Aug 19, 2003, 08:36 PM

What I did was to do alot of installing and after that I found out that my Tv DID not work right.

Can I still do a restore point???? Dont realy understand this..... maybe a new installation???

Please adwice!!!

BaiaZ

parttime.geek · Aug 24, 2003, 08:59 PM

THANKS!

Have the "driver in infinite loop" issue with an AIW9700 Pro and did lots of re-installs to try to get it working.

However I always lost TV functionality.

Having searched everywhere I found this which solves the TV problem for me.

Now, if the DNA drivers for the Radeon finally solve the infinite loop problem I will be a happy bunny.

Great forum guys.

JT2046 · Sep 6, 2003, 05:18 AM

I've followed some other Rage3D forumers to reinstall WinXP from scratch. Then followed with DirectX 9.0B (full install), ATI CD, soundcard CD, mobo CD. Get TV tuner initialized. It worked. Then updated all latest drivers from ATI/soundcard/mobo vendors. It also worked. I am using Sapphire AIW 9700 Pro Pal, Gigabyte mobo and Creative Aud2. But MMC 8.5 bugs are still there. Wish MMC 8.6 will be out soon.

*CATALYSTCATCHER* · Sep 6, 2003, 03:18 PM

http://support.microsoft.com/default...#91;LN];825116

Seems like MS has released a patch for DX9b and PAL tuner issue.

Early feedback is positive.

Shrink · Sep 6, 2003, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CATALYSTCATCHER
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];825116

Seems like MS has released a patch for DX9b and PAL tuner issue.

Early feedback is positive.

Damn, CC - I just posted this in the front page and you beat me to it here! :-)

The direct link to the fix is here.

*CATALYSTCATCHER* · Sep 6, 2003, 03:24 PM

well acording to what I read, we are way too slow on everything. Just trying to keep up and be fair.

BTW: thanks for the additional link.

Shrink · Sep 6, 2003, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CATALYSTCATCHER
well acording to what I read, we are way to slow on everything. Just trying to keep up and be fair.

Yeah - you got a point there. Get off your martini-drinking ass in your Muskoka cottage and get those bugs fixed CC!!!

*CATALYSTCATCHER* · Sep 6, 2003, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shrink
Yeah - you got a point there. Get off your martini-drinking ass in your Muskoka cottage and get those bugs fixed CC!!!

It is actually beer, and Kawarthas, and Shack where there aren't any bugs now. UTOPIA! And I wish I were there.

Shrink · Sep 6, 2003, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CATALYSTCATCHER
It is actually beer, and Kawarthas, and Shack where there aren't any bugs now. UTOPIA! And I wish I were there.

I wish I were there too!!! The lakes in Alberta don't match those in North Central Ontario. :-(

ZzzombieBunny · Sep 6, 2003, 07:04 PM

Where can I get a non-english version? since the one linked doesnt work with my client due to language differences

Shrink · Sep 6, 2003, 10:12 PM

Check Microsoft. www.microsoft.com/directx

BWX · Sep 7, 2003, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shrink
Check Microsoft. www.microsoft.com/directx

Should everyone install this? Or just people with specific problems?

Shrink · Sep 7, 2003, 05:10 AM

This fix is primarly for folks with non NTSC AIW cards. I doubt it will hurt anyone else's system if it is installed. Did you read the Knowledgebase article associated with the file? It should let you know whether it is a general use patch.

BWX · Sep 7, 2003, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shrink
This fix is primarly for folks with non NTSC AIW cards. I doubt it will hurt anyone else's system if it is installed. Did you read the Knowledgebase article associated with the file? It should let you know whether it is a general use patch.

No, because I did not download it.

*CATALYSTCATCHER* · Sep 7, 2003, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shrink
This fix is primarly for folks with non NTSC AIW cards. I doubt it will hurt anyone else's system if it is installed. Did you read the Knowledgebase article associated with the file? It should let you know whether it is a general use patch.

Correct.

Buf/ NY. You should not require this patch! It is to fix other TV regions. On the other hand, there should be no problem if you do install it. But I haven't tried that yet.

[SIZE=large]If your AIW TV is working, i.e. you can tune and watch channels? You don't need this patch.[/SIZE]

NTSC ~~=~~ US and Canada and some parts of South America an Carribean. Shouldn't need the patch

NTSC-J = Japan. Patch Needed

PAL, and SECAM TV ~~=~~ Europe , Asia, Australia, soome parts of South America = MAYBE you need it.

Shrink · Sep 7, 2003, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZzzombieBunny
Where can I get a non-english version? since the one linked doesnt work with my client due to language differences

Here's the german version: http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...16-x86-DEU.exe

Considering you haven't specified which language you do actually speak this is my best guess.

baiaz · Sep 8, 2003, 08:07 PM

The Patch did not work for my pc..... I am MAD!!!!!!

I steard out of the DirectX.... from the update... but when I installed an Adobe program, it installed the new DirectX!!!!

Do I have to reinstall everyting to get the TV to work again?????

meerkat · Oct 2, 2003, 01:11 AM

> NTSC ~~=~~ US and Canada and some parts of South America an Carribean. Shouldn't need the patch

Duh, Agree "shouldn't need the patch" because it does not fix NTSC thing (I tried).

But at the same time, my NTSC TV tuner is no longer recognized by winDvr, as for MMC, it cannot even start, I believe it stucked during init phase.

Win2k SP4, Dx9b, catalyst 3.7 MMC 7.9, tv wonder PCI version, Epox 8kHA+ mother board, latest VIA driver 4.79 blah blah

Jalok · Oct 14, 2003, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CATALYSTCATCHER
Microsoft has been extremely proactive in assistaing us, on this issue.

They have islolated the problem and are developing a solution for the issue with DX9b, PAL AIW and TV Tuning.

Microsoft has also provided an official statement which is included in our INFOBASE document.

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4254.html

Again, I will stress that this issue is being dealt with at the highest priority.

Sorry, I don't have specific dates for a solution.

Hi Catalystcatcher,

I'm new to this forum and had purchased a AIW Radeon 9800 Pro 10 days ago. I live in Brazil where the broadcast/cable TV is done in PAL-M (an 'almost-NTSC' PAL system). Using the MMC, I have noticed two bugs and have half dozen suggestions to make. Could you please tell me how to submit them to ATI ??

TIA,

Jalok

cManBlues · Jun 11, 2004, 08:14 PM

Hi!

There is a leaked version of directx 9.0c going round... has anyone tried this version with an AIW PAL card? maybe it's working ...

greets
Chris

dervirus · Jun 23, 2004, 01:16 PM

hhm , i noticed that the thread is about one year old .. is there still the same problem , i.e. i need to install the patch ?

until now i never tried to watch TV with my 9800se AiW ...

Jul 25, 2003, 12:22 AM	#1
Shrink Recovering Beta Tester Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bracebridge, Ontario Posts: 130 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	DX9.0B Breaks AIW TV on PAL cards Don't upgrade to the latest version of DX if you have an AIW card with PAL tv. Your TV tuner will no longer function. ATI knows about it and is working on a fix. __________________ Shrink "How come things that happen to stupid people keep happening to me?" Homer J. Simpson

Jul 30, 2003, 04:52 PM	Thread Starter #8
Shrink Recovering Beta Tester Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bracebridge, Ontario Posts: 130 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Hi Catalystcatcher! Glad you could be lured over here Thanks for the update! __________________ Shrink "How come things that happen to stupid people keep happening to me?" Homer J. Simpson

Aug 19, 2003, 08:36 PM	#10
baiaz DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norway, Europe Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	Hmmmmmm What I did was to do alot of installing and after that I found out that my Tv DID not work right. Can I still do a restore point???? Dont realy understand this..... maybe a new installation??? Please adwice!!! BaiaZ

Sep 6, 2003, 10:12 PM	Thread Starter #20
Shrink Recovering Beta Tester Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bracebridge, Ontario Posts: 130 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Check Microsoft. www.microsoft.com/directx __________________ Shrink "How come things that happen to stupid people keep happening to me?" Homer J. Simpson

Sep 7, 2003, 05:10 AM	Thread Starter #22
Shrink Recovering Beta Tester Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bracebridge, Ontario Posts: 130 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	This fix is primarly for folks with non NTSC AIW cards. I doubt it will hurt anyone else's system if it is installed. Did you read the Knowledgebase article associated with the file? It should let you know whether it is a general use patch. __________________ Shrink "How come things that happen to stupid people keep happening to me?" Homer J. Simpson

Jul 25, 2003, 03:21 PM	#2
Konge Odin DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Moss, Norway Posts: 54 Rep Power: 0	What about TV text, mine was allready broken before upgrading to the latest dx90b, and now I cant watch TV either, And now it is friday with the weekend and all. Hopefully I may be able to roll back the driver.

Jul 30, 2003, 04:37 PM	#7
CATALYSTCATCHER ATI Guru Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ATI, Toronto Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	Microsoft has been extremely proactive in assistaing us, on this issue. They have islolated the problem and are developing a solution for the issue with DX9b, PAL AIW and TV Tuning. Microsoft has also provided an official statement which is included in our INFOBASE document. http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4254.html Again, I will stress that this issue is being dealt with at the highest priority. Sorry, I don't have specific dates for a solution.

Jul 30, 2003, 04:53 PM	#9
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Yes nice to see you over here as well, welcome to the forum CC.

Aug 24, 2003, 08:59 PM	#11
parttime.geek DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	THANKS! Have the "driver in infinite loop" issue with an AIW9700 Pro and did lots of re-installs to try to get it working. However I always lost TV functionality. Having searched everywhere I found this which solves the TV problem for me. Now, if the DNA drivers for the Radeon finally solve the infinite loop problem I will be a happy bunny. Great forum guys.

Sep 6, 2003, 05:18 AM	#12
JT2046 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	I've followed some other Rage3D forumers to reinstall WinXP from scratch. Then followed with DirectX 9.0B (full install), ATI CD, soundcard CD, mobo CD. Get TV tuner initialized. It worked. Then updated all latest drivers from ATI/soundcard/mobo vendors. It also worked. I am using Sapphire AIW 9700 Pro Pal, Gigabyte mobo and Creative Aud2. But MMC 8.5 bugs are still there. Wish MMC 8.6 will be out soon.

Sep 6, 2003, 03:18 PM	#13
CATALYSTCATCHER ATI Guru Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ATI, Toronto Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	http://support.microsoft.com/default...#91;LN];825116 Seems like MS has released a patch for DX9b and PAL tuner issue. Early feedback is positive.

Sep 6, 2003, 03:24 PM	#15
CATALYSTCATCHER ATI Guru Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ATI, Toronto Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	well acording to what I read, we are way too slow on everything. Just trying to keep up and be fair. BTW: thanks for the additional link.

Sep 6, 2003, 07:04 PM	#19
ZzzombieBunny Cake or Death? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 259 Rep Power: 0	Where can I get a non-english version? since the one linked doesnt work with my client due to language differences

Sep 8, 2003, 08:07 PM	#26
baiaz DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norway, Europe Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	It did not work The Patch did not work for my pc..... I am MAD!!!!!! I steard out of the DirectX.... from the update... but when I installed an Adobe program, it installed the new DirectX!!!! Do I have to reinstall everyting to get the TV to work again?????

Oct 2, 2003, 01:11 AM	#27
meerkat DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	> NTSC ~~=~~ US and Canada and some parts of South America an Carribean. Shouldn't need the patch Duh, Agree "shouldn't need the patch" because it does not fix NTSC thing (I tried). But at the same time, my NTSC TV tuner is no longer recognized by winDvr, as for MMC, it cannot even start, I believe it stucked during init phase. Win2k SP4, Dx9b, catalyst 3.7 MMC 7.9, tv wonder PCI version, Epox 8kHA+ mother board, latest VIA driver 4.79 blah blah

Jun 11, 2004, 08:14 PM	#29
cManBlues DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	Hi! There is a leaked version of directx 9.0c going round... has anyone tried this version with an AIW PAL card? maybe it's working ... greets Chris

Jun 23, 2004, 01:16 PM	#30
dervirus DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: far, far away in the future Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	hhm , i noticed that the thread is about one year old .. is there still the same problem , i.e. i need to install the patch ? until now i never tried to watch TV with my 9800se AiW ...