theonlybabyface

What is the general consensus of this version?

FearTheTerp

The tv got way sluggish for me. But switching channels was always slow. I don't see really any improvements. Unless theres some bug you had that is fixed in the new one, just stick to the 9.03's.

reholli

Well, the TV app is the only one I ever use on a regular basis. On that note, the TV picture quality with my TV Wonder PCI card and Radeon 9800 Pro was the best of any version of MMC so far, but still way shy of the picture quality provided by Intervideo's WinDVR3. Why is Intervideo able to do a better job with ATI's hardware than ATI? Who knows. WinDVR3 also has more available capture formats. So I've uninstalled MMC again...I don't know why I bother installing new versions.

Judas

odd.... MMC has loads of capture formats..... every format that you machine has available... it can encode in....

As for version 9.06.. yes, the tv is incredibly slow..... slowest i've ever seen.

Be it loading up or whatever, it's utterly annoyingly slow */minirant over*

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Judas

another major flaw.... this one is extremely serious...

while recording.... audio and video lose sync... and as soon as it loses sync.... everything falls further and further appart very quickly.

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madmatty

I only use the VideoIN part of the MCC for my x800 vivo, and for the most part its not much deifferent to 9.03.

I did check out windvr3 as mentioned in a few posts above and in my case windvr just isnt configurable enough. to watch tv through the video in, quality is no different between intervideo and mcc, but to record, mcc wins by far, the videosoap really does make a difference and I have much more control over the output format in the mcc.

Now the only real annoying feature I have is that for some reason when i go to record, I get an echo sound effect. I know that I can disable it by enabling the "Record without monitoring" option in the Record from AUX section in my Audigy2 mixer panel but the latest version of mcc keeps setting this to disabled. 9.03 didnt mess with this option. Oh and in 9.06 I cant seem to hide the Record Panel with F3 key anymore (F2 and F3 do same thing now - just hide the main control panel).

There are no sysnc problems as sound is comming through line in as always (being vivo card). Out of all the comercial recording programs, the mmc is still the fastest program to record from radeon vivo with great output results. ati just need to actually start fixing things instead of adding.

Cant understand how Cyberlink gets into everything though. packages with nearly all radeon cards. There software sux so much (so so much more then even the mcc). very slow and buggy. Just because its cheap should make it the standard in the bundle. Intervideo products are so much more robusts. Powerdirector is absolutly usless at recording, many skipped frames and jerky ouput.

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Judas

the MMC 9.06 also loses sync with TV without recording.. over a 24 period... it has now fell about 3-5 seconds behind and i haven't tried restarting the entire computer yet.. but exiting and rentering doesn't catch up nor does changing channels....

how the hell did something like this make it through the quality labs?

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FearTheTerp

We haven't complained enough. Right now i'm switching back to 9.03, the TV is bullshit.

Judas

hmmm... something DEFINITELY needs to be done ... and damn soon or thier is going to be way way WAY to many unhappy people out there!

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Trunks0

Can't say I have a problem with it on my TV WonderPro with this version. My only annoyance is echo on my new Audigy2 when recording. But I just open my mixer and I can solve it from there (plus this has aparently been a problem for awhile so *shrug*)

The only thing that used to bother me about MMC was it nabbed up file types for its self. But that just ment opening up each program it nabbed them from to set it back(can do that from with in MMC now though)

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theonlybabyface

Very odd replies but understandable. For me, MMC 9.06 with Cat 5.3 fixes everything. I can honestly say that for the first time, everything works awesome. These are the steps I took to uninstall and re-install the new version:

1 - Run ATI's uninstaller and do not reboot until all is done.
2 - Delete out the ATI folders in Program Files as well as in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\...
3 - Go into the registry and clean out all of the ATI folder entries
4 - Reboot into safe mode and run Drive Cleaner Pro
5 - Go into C:\Windows\Inf and delete all OEM and INF entries related to ATI
6 - Run Reg cleaning software
7 - Reboot into windows and run the Cat installer first, reboot as prompted
8 - Back into windows, run the Dao install, run the ATI decoder install, run the MMC install rebooting as necessary
9 - Back into windows, run the Remote Wonder install and Hydravision if you use it

Works like a charm for me. It takes time but it is worth it as at least you know that the install is "clean".

pr0digal jenius

Am I the onyl person who likes the new version?

It fixed the major flaw where an Audigy 2 ZS and an HDTV wonder would cause a system lock

Judas

well they broke everything..

it's the first version the absalutely wrecks everything...

I've not reinstalled on the same system 3 times with the same results... using a previous set fixes everything... but damn... wtf did they do?

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pr0digal jenius

works like a charm for me


Maybe it just has issues with AiW cards?

Judas

maybe?

tried it on my 9000 AIW in a completely different computer... same garbage

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reholli

OK, I admit I didn't look at the formats made available with this install of 9.06. I check TV tuner picture quality first, and if it's not acceptable, it's pointless to check out anything else for me since that's my primary use. I read somewhere else also that you can encode in any format available on your computer, just like you've said, and I remember this used to be the case on my system. However, the last version of MMC I installed before 9.06 (and I don't know which one it was) did not provide a capture quality selection as high as WinDVR, and not the number that WinDVR 3 did (for example, Mpeg-2 DVD quality 720x480 was not available from MMC). And the TV tuner picture quality has never come close to the same until now, although still sub-par in comparison. With MMC I see what are almost large horizontal jaggies at times (interlacing effects?)...these are pretty much non-existent with WinDVR 3, with an overall cleaner picture, better colors, etc. Mind you, this is with a now pretty old TV Wonder PCI. I don't have any other hardware now to compare the 2 software tuner apps on, although when it was still working, I'm pretty sure WinDVR did a better job with my AIW 8500DV also.

theonlybabyface

No problems on my AIW 9800 Pro...

madmatty

The thing I find odd is that windvr3 doesn give me control over the mpeg2 dvd quality, and the settings arnt labeled as clearly as in the mmc. from what i saw windvr cant do vbr encoding so you end up with huge files. Also alot of the settings are ghosted for mpeg2dvd, it doesnt allow me to config it as i want. With the mcc I set vbr encoding a max bitrate of 8000 and an average of 6000 (and 100% motion compensation) this gives great results that fit onto a dvd5. The videosoap also smooths out some of the grainyness. the previous 9.03 version of mmc also offered the higher recording resolutions. I use 720x512 (PAL).

Whe watching tv though, there is more jaggyness i agree (bad deinterlacing i guess) but this does not translate to the final recording. Windvr isnt perfect either in this sense, I guess this is more down to the actual capture driver. Again I must ention that this is only my experiance with VIVO VideoIN, via the Rage Theatre 200 on my X800 card. I do have the Original All In Wonder Pro card, but nothing ever worked right on that thing

Matt
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magnus33

i think some of the problems with this version is they didn't inform people about the changes.

lag changeing channels is due to the fact that audio is now done by the ati card (no pass through cable needed now)
if you still have the cable conected you can get a echo or out of sync audio (try turning it off in the sound cards mixer)

installing remote wonder software before the mmc and you tend to get a crash in guideplus or easylook..

don't know about recording haven't messed with that yet.

and haven't tested out to see if mmc can be crashed .

ps.. owners of sound storm will be happy since mmc audio now works perfectly with it.

madmatty

What is annoying though is the audio echo wont stay disabled. mmc 9.06 keep disabling the "Record without Monitoring" option in the Audigy 2 mixer for AUX. I have to reenable this option everytime i hit record.

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Judas

i'm not getting an echo at all.... they should at least give you the option to run through the line in or via the the ati card bypassing the need for the line in...

I'm having one serious problem, i can't get the damn channels to come in as stereo... they are all mono now.... nothing i do can fix this.. i noticed this in my previous installs... i keep finding more and more broken things it's driving me nutz..... how i ask.. HOW does this get by the quality labs....

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pr0digal jenius

because it isn't happening for other people and maybe you just got unlucky?


I have stereo, can record just fine, etc etc...


I broke remote wonder...but that's my fault, not theirs

Judas

i recently talked to a few people that i know that own AIW's.... every single one of them are having troubles except for one guy with a 9800 AIW and a few other with the X800 AIWs

and people with those add in cards.... seems to be directly tied to bugs with only AIW cards...

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pr0digal jenius

must be the rage theater chip then

Judas

hmmmm...

i would have thought that there are more AIW cards sold then any other of thier capture devices....

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pr0digal jenius

i dunno

Judas

quit commenting in this thread

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bellyman

My setup XPPro SP2; ATI AIW 9700.
Recently upgraded to Cat5.3 and MMC9.06

My first problem was changing the channel - noticeable breaks in sound up to where stereo appears at the top (about 2 or 3 breaks of sound). When I go RIGHT-CLICK to get the context menu, the sound breaks again - but the NEXT time I right-click - no break. Change channel, everything repeats.

But that is manageable compared to the echo I am getting when compared to OTHER TVs in the house.

I am in a focal point where there is the living room and kitchen TV. I can switch between a cable box and cable feed - under both cases there is a lag of sound - (similar to what you are saying above -- but is that the same thing?). I have unplugged the cable but the problem exists still. The motherboard comes with AC97 (Asus P4P800DX) not much in the Mixer can be adjusted.


What is very interesting - I was running Cat4.11; MMC 9.01 and XP SP1 - without any of these problems. I had upgraded I believe to MMC 9.03 but had problems outputting to a TV so I reverted back to 9.01.

I then upgraded to SP2 - (after a clean reinstall). Cat 5.3; MMC 9.06 XPSP2. And the channel changing problem was the first thing I noticed. I then spent HOURS - trying various combinations - and one of them included going back to Cat4.11 and previous versions of MMC (not MMC9.06).

NONE of the combos removed the changing channel volume problem. That has me convinced something in SP2 is causting more problems than anyone has suspected.

Last night I had the last straw with the echo problem - I ghosted (thanks!!!!) my C: and tried to install MMC9.01. I typically uninstall ALL ATI stuff then go (Cat); (DAO); (DVD); (MMC); (Remote Wonder) - in that order. I uninstalled just MMC906 and installed MMC901 - GPF error trying to run the TV. Uninstalled everything then 901 - GPF. Removed everything then 903 - GPF. I said F'IT and just restored my Ghost of Cat5.3 and MMC906. Now I remember that 901 and 903 were working in my previous tets - so I wonder if just uninstalling MMC was the problem - but I have spent hours and hours - I have better things to do like waste that value time on offloading junk I have downloaded to CD/DVD of which I will never use again.

I had an ATI card back in 1990 (OEM). I then bot the first generation of AIW in 1997. Now that AIW is nothing compared to the stuff today, but the same BLOODY headaches. Unfortunately when chosing a video, ATI was the king back in 2003 - so I went with it. Never had problems with my Matrox Video back in 1999.

In the future I will (A) try to avoid ATI cards for video but (B) definitely will never buy a combo (AIW) card from ATI.

Not sure if they ever fixed the FM tuner bug - essentially the 9700 has an FM tuner - the tuner WILL NOT function if you have Norton Antivirus installed. Period. I am now using Kaspersky AV and the tuner works fine. ATI never solved the problem and just offered CTRL-ALT-DELETE and remove the AV (ccapp.exe) then listen then reboot. And that solution was what they came up with mid last year.

My buddy uses Hauppauge (PVR-250) with none of the ATI problems - and like me has had several ATI AIW. ATI always goes 3 steps forward and 10 back on any driver update.

Over a year I have had the AIW and the FM tuner - not fixed; and when you record they still can't have it sit in the system tray. DUH!

Anyways, found this site via google - maybe my notes will help or not - but sick of the problem.

cheers!
belly

Judas

echoes are usually caused by mutliple seleciton in the sound card properties.... What You Hear or Stereo output ... being on by default for MANY sound cards.....

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bellyman

I have gone back and was successful in installing Cat5.2 thru Cat4.11. MMC 9.06, 9.03, 9.01.

The problem isn't an echo, it is an out of sync problem. As this problem is not per the title of this thread alone, I will continue this post elsewhere.

Oh what fun!
Belly

EDIT: Moved my problem here http://www.hardwareheaven.com/all-wonder-tv-video-capture/71290-ati-9700-out-sync-no-sound-tab-mmc-init-wizard.html