AIW 9800 pro + winXP SP2 + catalyst 5.5 issues

Topgun3111983 · Jun 6, 2005, 05:32 AM

Just installed Winxp SP2(fresh install) and catalyst 5.5 and my TV is horrible. specifically while scrolling in IE 6, the TV will skip and stutter.

While running XP pro no service packs and an older driver it worked great, I could even play games and other system intensive programs and it would never skip.

anyone else run in to this? It's driving me crazy, I've tried switching back to older drivers, older MMC, everything I can think of short of going back to XP with no service packs.

Rogue Frog · Jun 6, 2005, 08:19 AM

I had issues with a similar setup and read about a workaround... check out this thread http://www.hardwareheaven.com/all-wonder-tv-video-capture/75650-p4c800-e-deluxe-aiw-9800-pro-xp-sp2-hyperthreading.html and let us know if it helps.

Topgun3111983 · Jun 6, 2005, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue Frog

Finally got things working... at least a workaround. Here's what I did.

1. Fresh XP Pro w/SP2 installation
2. Updated .NET Framework
3. Installed Catalyst 5.5 CCC Bundle
4. Using Device Manager, updated "ATI WDM Rage Theatre Video NSP" and pointed to c:\ATI\SUPPORT\5-5_xp-2k_wdm\WDM_SP\XP for the files instead of the NSP directory.
5. Installed MMC 9.08 files.

No more hangs, blank screens, audio loss, sync issues, waiting for ATI support to tell me to reinstall etc....

tried this...all that managed to do was make me lose all audio.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jun 6, 2005, 04:10 PM

Lose audio, how? Mine works fine with this configuration

Topgun3111983 · Jun 6, 2005, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

Lose audio, how? Mine works fine with this configuration

good question, at first I thought I had updated the wrong driver. But I triple checked and made sure I updated the rage theater video driver and not the audio driver. I have no idea why changing a video driver would affect audio, but it did.

Rogue Frog · Jun 6, 2005, 05:22 PM

Try going into the MMC setup and run the Initialization Wizard again.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jun 6, 2005, 08:02 PM

I installed everything stock and it worked, making sure to use driver cleaner in between

Rogue Frog · Jun 6, 2005, 08:36 PM

Even if you format? I don't see the drivers that Windows installs would be any problem. What do you think?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jun 6, 2005, 08:46 PM

It could be, esp. with SP2 cause i used a SP@ slipstreamed disk, and the AGP driver messed with my mobo's AGP driver causing hardlocks

Topgun3111983 · Jun 6, 2005, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue Frog

Try going into the MMC setup and run the Initialization Wizard again.

just tried it, still no audio.

I think I'm just going to uninstall everything and go back to my old drivers. catalyst 5.5 can't be worth all this work.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jun 6, 2005, 10:09 PM

Well wait till 5.6 comes out, theyd better release a new MMC with it.

Rogue Frog · Jun 7, 2005, 01:42 AM

Just covering the bases... is the line-out from the ati card going into your audio line-in? This wasn't required when you were using the NSP drivers.

I don't know how ATI has let this problem survive for like 3 releases already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topgun3111983

just tried it, still no audio.

I think I'm just going to uninstall everything and go back to my old drivers. catalyst 5.5 can't be worth all this work.

Topgun3111983 · Jun 7, 2005, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue Frog

Just covering the bases... is the line-out from the ati card going into your audio line-in? This wasn't required when you were using the NSP drivers.

I don't know how ATI has let this problem survive for like 3 releases already.

actually it was accidently plugged into the mic instead of line in. that's what caused me to lose audio eh? oh well, I have it working perfectly with my old drivers now, I'm just going to leave it alone until the next set is released.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jun 7, 2005, 04:15 PM

I've done that too...I need those coloured jacks so i dont mix them up =D or I should just get it working and leave it alone

.

Anyway hopefully MMC 10 comes out soon!

Topgun3111983 · Jun 10, 2005, 05:55 AM

catalyst 5.6 has the same problem. I tried changing the NSP driver again and this time it worked since I have the cable plugged into the right slot now.

for some reason it seems my audio quality got worse after changing that driver though....

From an old catalyst to the new 5.6 without the NSP.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jun 10, 2005, 04:17 PM

I prefer the older drivers that did the analog in rather than digital through the PCI bus. Problem is getting it to work on 5.1 speakers

Mrafrohead · Jul 15, 2005, 12:08 AM

I read through this thread, and the one referred to in the first page top few posts...

I have some questions regarding this NSP driver... Should anyone have any time...

Here's the skinny:

I have a AIW 9700 Pro.
Running on a Asus A7V600 mobo
Windoze XP SP2.

Now, I'm sure that it's the NSP drivers that you are referring to previously that are causing the choppy channel changing, and the loss of synch between audio of the TV Tuner and a regular house TV playing on the same channel.

I have noticed this since Catalyst 5.3. - Where the only change in installation I saw was the NSP WDM driver installation and that the audio line in was no longer requested.

What exactly were the changes made that are causing this loss of synch? Is it the fact that the drivers are now processing the audio digitally as posted above? Is that why the installation no longer requests that you specify where the audio is coming from? (Ie. The Line In from the Audio Out of the Video Card?)

I see that the Catalyst 5.7 drivers are now out. Will these drivers fix the NSP WDM issue with the audio synch with a regular tv?

The reason this is so freakin important to me is that me and my wife watch the same TV shows. She watches the TV while I'm usually at my computer. It's driving the BOTH of us freakin NUTS when the audio synch is off by a second or so... It's just really annoying.

I read about the memory performance enhancements for the new 5.7 drivers and really want to be able to upgrade from the 5.2 drivers and MMC 9.03 to the new 5.7 and MMC 9.08.

Anywho - if the 5.7 driver doesn't fix the NSP problem, and I change where the driver is pointing to for the NSP part and load the default WDM driver. Should I still be able to use the 5.7 and MMC 9.08 with no problems?

I just don't want to lose the synch in the audio. The delay... It's bad. After repeated e-mails to ATI they seem uninterested in helping...

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 16, 2005, 04:11 AM

MMC 9.08 and 5.6 worked Perfectly, so do 5.7 and 9.08 and 9.06.1 FWIW

Mrafrohead · Jul 16, 2005, 07:37 AM

thank you kindly...

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 17, 2005, 05:13 PM

Note: I Have not tried schedualed recording but I did try it and my shell crashed....however this wasn't MMC's direct fault, more of me being a bone head.

More on this later

Topgun3111983 · Jul 19, 2005, 05:42 AM

catalyst 5.7 installed now on a brand new windows reload. same exact issue is still there.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 19, 2005, 09:01 AM

Install Cat 5.7, install the latest chipset drivers, install the latest sound drivers,
install the required DAO, install the latest MMC, install windows media encoder 9,
get all windows updates...

you've done all these things?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 19, 2005, 02:03 PM

I didn't do windows update, I didn't do WME9 but I don't have this issue running 5.7/9.08 MMC

Topgun3111983 · Jul 21, 2005, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Install Cat 5.7, install the latest chipset drivers, install the latest sound drivers,
install the required DAO, install the latest MMC, install windows media encoder 9,
get all windows updates...

you've done all these things?

yes.

beich · Jul 25, 2005, 06:46 PM

I haven't been able to install the latest ccc/mmc drivers for the last year without having problems with TV capture. All recent games run fine (fast enough for me) given the limitations of the card. But TV capture freezes after about 15 minutes in windowed mode and about one hour in fullscreen mode. MMC can not be shut down when this happens, although other programs can be run. Note that with the original drivers TV was just fine, but, of course, recent games will not run, e.g., the night vision goggles in splinter cell:ct don't work. ATI support is a joke for help and I haven't found anything googling.

I've no problems with disk space, memory use, cpu use, temperature increases or voltage fluctuations. In fact, the recent games (eg, b-i-a, hl2) stress much more. I've tried running bare bones services and background processes, playing with resolution and color depth settings. Nothing makes any difference in the right direction.

All the latest drivers for my board are installed. XP sp2 is up to date. Event record error shows: "SRB command failed; WDM." (I think this just means that the OS didn't know what to do after the mmc freeze.) Any suggestions?

asus p4s800d-e; p4 northwood 3.2; 1MB; wd 1200jb; 120 GB sata; onboard sound or audigy2;

redeyedog · Aug 11, 2005, 05:35 AM

I've tried all of this stuff even from a clean install. My problem is that once the NSP driver is installed, I can't get it to update to the SP driver. XP refuses to allow this.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Aug 15, 2005, 06:29 PM

Then you have to turn off the driver protection tool.

You can just uninstall the device with the NSP driver, then say that it has to use the driver you want by choosing "Dont search, I will choose the driver"

Jun 6, 2005, 05:32 AM	#1
Topgun3111983 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	AIW 9800 pro + winXP SP2 + catalyst 5.5 issues Just installed Winxp SP2(fresh install) and catalyst 5.5 and my TV is horrible. specifically while scrolling in IE 6, the TV will skip and stutter. While running XP pro no service packs and an older driver it worked great, I could even play games and other system intensive programs and it would never skip. anyone else run in to this? It's driving me crazy, I've tried switching back to older drivers, older MMC, everything I can think of short of going back to XP with no service packs.

Jul 19, 2005, 09:01 AM	#22
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Install Cat 5.7, install the latest chipset drivers, install the latest sound drivers, install the required DAO, install the latest MMC, install windows media encoder 9, get all windows updates... you've done all these things? __________________

Jul 25, 2005, 06:46 PM	#25
beich DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	aiw 9800 tv capture - no solutions for a year I haven't been able to install the latest ccc/mmc drivers for the last year without having problems with TV capture. All recent games run fine (fast enough for me) given the limitations of the card. But TV capture freezes after about 15 minutes in windowed mode and about one hour in fullscreen mode. MMC can not be shut down when this happens, although other programs can be run. Note that with the original drivers TV was just fine, but, of course, recent games will not run, e.g., the night vision goggles in splinter cell:ct don't work. ATI support is a joke for help and I haven't found anything googling. I've no problems with disk space, memory use, cpu use, temperature increases or voltage fluctuations. In fact, the recent games (eg, b-i-a, hl2) stress much more. I've tried running bare bones services and background processes, playing with resolution and color depth settings. Nothing makes any difference in the right direction. All the latest drivers for my board are installed. XP sp2 is up to date. Event record error shows: "SRB command failed; WDM." (I think this just means that the OS didn't know what to do after the mmc freeze.) Any suggestions? asus p4s800d-e; p4 northwood 3.2; 1MB; wd 1200jb; 120 GB sata; onboard sound or audigy2;

Jun 6, 2005, 08:19 AM	#2
Rogue Frog DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	I had issues with a similar setup and read about a workaround... check out this thread http://www.hardwareheaven.com/all-wonder-tv-video-capture/75650-p4c800-e-deluxe-aiw-9800-pro-xp-sp2-hyperthreading.html and let us know if it helps.

Jun 6, 2005, 04:10 PM	#4
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Lose audio, how? Mine works fine with this configuration

Jun 6, 2005, 05:22 PM	#6
Rogue Frog DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	Try going into the MMC setup and run the Initialization Wizard again.

Jun 6, 2005, 08:02 PM	#7
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I installed everything stock and it worked, making sure to use driver cleaner in between

Jun 6, 2005, 08:36 PM	#8
Rogue Frog DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	Even if you format? I don't see the drivers that Windows installs would be any problem. What do you think?

Jun 6, 2005, 08:46 PM	#9
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	It could be, esp. with SP2 cause i used a SP@ slipstreamed disk, and the AGP driver messed with my mobo's AGP driver causing hardlocks

Jun 6, 2005, 10:09 PM	#11
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Well wait till 5.6 comes out, theyd better release a new MMC with it.

Jun 7, 2005, 04:15 PM	#14
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I've done that too...I need those coloured jacks so i dont mix them up =D or I should just get it working and leave it alone . Anyway hopefully MMC 10 comes out soon!

Jun 10, 2005, 05:55 AM	Thread Starter #15
Topgun3111983 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	catalyst 5.6 has the same problem. I tried changing the NSP driver again and this time it worked since I have the cable plugged into the right slot now. for some reason it seems my audio quality got worse after changing that driver though.... From an old catalyst to the new 5.6 without the NSP.

Jun 10, 2005, 04:17 PM	#16
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I prefer the older drivers that did the analog in rather than digital through the PCI bus. Problem is getting it to work on 5.1 speakers

Jul 15, 2005, 12:08 AM	#17
Mrafrohead DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: on earth Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	I read through this thread, and the one referred to in the first page top few posts... I have some questions regarding this NSP driver... Should anyone have any time... Here's the skinny: I have a AIW 9700 Pro. Running on a Asus A7V600 mobo Windoze XP SP2. Now, I'm sure that it's the NSP drivers that you are referring to previously that are causing the choppy channel changing, and the loss of synch between audio of the TV Tuner and a regular house TV playing on the same channel. I have noticed this since Catalyst 5.3. - Where the only change in installation I saw was the NSP WDM driver installation and that the audio line in was no longer requested. What exactly were the changes made that are causing this loss of synch? Is it the fact that the drivers are now processing the audio digitally as posted above? Is that why the installation no longer requests that you specify where the audio is coming from? (Ie. The Line In from the Audio Out of the Video Card?) I see that the Catalyst 5.7 drivers are now out. Will these drivers fix the NSP WDM issue with the audio synch with a regular tv? The reason this is so freakin important to me is that me and my wife watch the same TV shows. She watches the TV while I'm usually at my computer. It's driving the BOTH of us freakin NUTS when the audio synch is off by a second or so... It's just really annoying. I read about the memory performance enhancements for the new 5.7 drivers and really want to be able to upgrade from the 5.2 drivers and MMC 9.03 to the new 5.7 and MMC 9.08. Anywho - if the 5.7 driver doesn't fix the NSP problem, and I change where the driver is pointing to for the NSP part and load the default WDM driver. Should I still be able to use the 5.7 and MMC 9.08 with no problems? I just don't want to lose the synch in the audio. The delay... It's bad. After repeated e-mails to ATI they seem uninterested in helping...

Jul 16, 2005, 04:11 AM	#18
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	MMC 9.08 and 5.6 worked Perfectly, so do 5.7 and 9.08 and 9.06.1 FWIW

Jul 16, 2005, 07:37 AM	#19
Mrafrohead DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: on earth Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	thank you kindly...

Jul 17, 2005, 05:13 PM	#20
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Note: I Have not tried schedualed recording but I did try it and my shell crashed....however this wasn't MMC's direct fault, more of me being a bone head. More on this later

Jul 19, 2005, 05:42 AM	Thread Starter #21
Topgun3111983 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	catalyst 5.7 installed now on a brand new windows reload. same exact issue is still there.

Jul 19, 2005, 02:03 PM	#23
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I didn't do windows update, I didn't do WME9 but I don't have this issue running 5.7/9.08 MMC

Aug 11, 2005, 05:35 AM	#26
redeyedog DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	I've tried all of this stuff even from a clean install. My problem is that once the NSP driver is installed, I can't get it to update to the SP driver. XP refuses to allow this.

Aug 15, 2005, 06:29 PM	#27
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Then you have to turn off the driver protection tool. You can just uninstall the device with the NSP driver, then say that it has to use the driver you want by choosing "Dont search, I will choose the driver"