Come on ATI.. Little more work on the AIW series please.

OldBuzzard · Nov 20, 2006, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

...I just realised installing a new thermostat was actually less difficult than getting an AiW to work.

Hell, getting LUCAS ELECTRICS working on my old TR-3 (many, many moons ago) was easier than getting an AIW to work

The ONLY time my X800XT ever worked right was just after I first installed it using the drivers that came on the original CD. Unfortunately, I managed to trash that CD, and can't re-install using it.

I sure would like to find an ISO of the original CD that came with the AIW X800XT (hint, hint).

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 20, 2006, 10:38 PM

Well thing with that is that the only reason the CD is good is for the DVD Decoder authentication which the ISO is no good for (tried and it didn't work)

dguy · Nov 21, 2006, 06:28 AM

Folks, I used DriverCleaner to remove all ATI related entries. It seems to have cleaned out everything except a few protected files under the \system32\ folder. I don't think drivercleaner has the ability to clean out the protected files because they keep reappearing. I decided to proceed anyway...

I installed the new AIW9600XT card that I got back from RMA.

I installed the display drivers from Cat 6.2. The file was called "6-2_xp-2k_dd_30152".

After installing it asked me to reboot. When I rebooted, XP came up and warned me that the "ATI WDM Rage Theatre" stuff was not registered by Microsoft. It asked me if I wanted to continue and I said Yes. It then said "this file (some .dll) is older than the file that already exists, do you want to replace?". I said yes. This happened about 4 times.

I thought this was ONLY the display driver, but somehow it also installed the RAGE WDM stuff it looks like.

I went into Device Manager to have a look under Sound and Video controllers and all the ATI WDM stuff is listed and installed properly! (no yellow exclamation marks!)

I was planning on installing the other files that came with cat 6.2 (WDM and CCC) but now that everything looks like it is installed, I'm guessing I don't have to install these other setup files. ("6-2_xp-2k_wdm_30152" and "6-2_ccc_enu_30152"). Weird.

Now I don't have the ATI MMC installed so I didn't know how to check if the tuner/capture was working properly. I decided to use Virtual Dub and Nero Vision to see if I could capture. And the capture is working now! You have no idea how good i feel

I'm not sure how XP installed the WDM devices since I only used the Display Driver application, but it does seem to work now. I'm scared to install MMC, but I understand that MMC 9.08 should work well with Cat6.2. Do I NEED to install MMC? Is there other software I can use to watch and Capture TV properly or is ATI's MMC my best bet ??

Now I really believe that one of the new driver updates (after cat 6.2) effected the 9600XT cards, because I tried this process hundreds of times with my old card and it did not work. Maybe one of the drivers burned out the Tuner part of the card somehow? Who knows. ATI will never tell us I guess. At least they sent me a new card quickly.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 22, 2006, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dguy

Folks, I used DriverCleaner to remove all ATI related entries. It seems to have cleaned out everything except a few protected files under the \system32\ folder. I don't think drivercleaner has the ability to clean out the protected files because they keep reappearing. I decided to proceed anyway...

I installed the new AIW9600XT card that I got back from RMA.

I installed the display drivers from Cat 6.2. The file was called "6-2_xp-2k_dd_30152".

After installing it asked me to reboot. When I rebooted, XP came up and warned me that the "ATI WDM Rage Theatre" stuff was not registered by Microsoft. It asked me if I wanted to continue and I said Yes. It then said "this file (some .dll) is older than the file that already exists, do you want to replace?". I said yes. This happened about 4 times.

I thought this was ONLY the display driver, but somehow it also installed the RAGE WDM stuff it looks like.

I went into Device Manager to have a look under Sound and Video controllers and all the ATI WDM stuff is listed and installed properly! (no yellow exclamation marks!)

I was planning on installing the other files that came with cat 6.2 (WDM and CCC) but now that everything looks like it is installed, I'm guessing I don't have to install these other setup files. ("6-2_xp-2k_wdm_30152" and "6-2_ccc_enu_30152"). Weird.

Now I don't have the ATI MMC installed so I didn't know how to check if the tuner/capture was working properly. I decided to use Virtual Dub and Nero Vision to see if I could capture. And the capture is working now! You have no idea how good i feel

I'm not sure how XP installed the WDM devices since I only used the Display Driver application, but it does seem to work now. I'm scared to install MMC, but I understand that MMC 9.08 should work well with Cat6.2. Do I NEED to install MMC? Is there other software I can use to watch and Capture TV properly or is ATI's MMC my best bet ??

Now I really believe that one of the new driver updates (after cat 6.2) effected the 9600XT cards, because I tried this process hundreds of times with my old card and it did not work. Maybe one of the drivers burned out the Tuner part of the card somehow? Who knows. ATI will never tell us I guess. At least they sent me a new card quickly.

Well be glad you've got a new card at least

riptide2k6 · Dec 18, 2006, 01:17 AM

Howdy folks!

Well, I just had a client this week reporting that his AIW 9600 TV Tuner didn't work anymore. I now have it in the shop here, and wanted to give everyone my 2¢. BTW, I am REALLY really happy not to be discussing Symantec NAV issues this time around! LOL

The problem the machine is having is 100% identical to everyone here. IE: TV failed to initialize, Yellow exclamations on "ATI WDM Rage Theatre Audio" and "ATI WDM TV Audio Crossbar".

Before finding this thread, I uninstalled the drivers, and installed the NEW and AMAZING Catalyst (December 14 2006) and latest MMC drivers from AMD. No surprises that it didn't work. It removed the WDM crap and installed the T200 driver. No exclamation marks. However, "TV failed to initialize". I did get it working by simply doing a "repair" of the AVIVO driver (by going to C:\ATI\SUPPORT\...). However, the TV image is extremely lagged (6 second delay at least and choppy) and the sound is also choppy/stutters. Also, the FM tuner just screaches noise. Quitting the FM application, the screaching stops and the last channel stays on nice and clear.

I suppose this is due to ATI's change in the WDM drivers to the T200 driver. It seams that it abandons the Line-In port (using the stereo 1/8 cable on the videocard header) and rather uses a numeric internal coding to transfert sound to the audio system.

Anyhow, I uninstalled all that T200 crap, and reinstalled the good old original CD drivers and it worked perfectly. To get it to fail? Simple. Unplug the PC from the power 115V line, wait 30 seconds to have it completely discharge, plug it back in and boot. BANG. The WDM drivers listed above return to their Yellow Exclamation marks and TV Tuner SNAFU.

As was said, uninstall, reinstall, everything works again until the POWER is removed for at least 30 seconds.

Also, as another important note, the Microsoft Windows Update delivers 2 updates concerning the ATI 9600 AIW card. Both optional, one relates to a "driver" update, and the other to the ATI X10 Remote. Once these beautiful updates install, the card drivers (AIW9600 and AIW9600 secondary) f*ck up, and the ATI Remote driver is out of commision. Does any one think this may be at play here since I believe someone else said the card worked properly under Vista? Who's at fault Microsoft or AMD(ATI)?

The client's computer is based on the ASUS P4P800 mobo, 1Gb ram, 120Gb Max HD, SB 128 PCI, and of course the faboulous ATI 9600 AIW AGP. CPU is an Intel 2.6GHz processor without Hyper-Threading.

PandaZ3 · Dec 18, 2006, 01:42 AM

The card will work great on a Win Me machine, so it seems to center on XP SP2 and ATI has never been able to correct it.

riptide2k6 · Dec 18, 2006, 01:57 AM

PandaZ3,

Yeah, now that is an idea. I will attempt to install it using a Windows 98SE platform using same exact hardware. Will post results.

I am suprised because I built the machine about 3 years ago and have to say has been functioning very well since then. The client, a doctor, has been nothing but pleased by its functions for TV and transfering videos into the computer.

Of course, it has a 3 year warranty and that time has come (2 weeks short). Must some sort of built-in time bomb that goes off in the card to encourage purchasing another card. LOL

From what others posted here, I didn't take a chance and filed for an RMA a few minutes ago with ATI (or AMD).

H3X4D3C1M4L · Dec 19, 2006, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PandaZ3

The card will work great on a Win Me machine, so it seems to center on XP SP2 and ATI has never been able to correct it.

Ah SP1 is just as bad using original CD software... tried it during my hiatus without internet

PandaZ3 · Dec 19, 2006, 10:00 PM

Well the warden really likes it as a video card, she's going to keep it. I wish she would let me have it, as I feel like playing with Win Me again.....

H3X4D3C1M4L · Dec 19, 2006, 10:23 PM

I've never had that feeling.... never had ME either (I've disowned those 10 mins of my life where I tried it)

Nov 21, 2006, 06:28 AM	#543
dguy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	new card is working after RMA Folks, I used DriverCleaner to remove all ATI related entries. It seems to have cleaned out everything except a few protected files under the \system32\ folder. I don't think drivercleaner has the ability to clean out the protected files because they keep reappearing. I decided to proceed anyway... I installed the new AIW9600XT card that I got back from RMA. I installed the display drivers from Cat 6.2. The file was called "6-2_xp-2k_dd_30152". After installing it asked me to reboot. When I rebooted, XP came up and warned me that the "ATI WDM Rage Theatre" stuff was not registered by Microsoft. It asked me if I wanted to continue and I said Yes. It then said "this file (some .dll) is older than the file that already exists, do you want to replace?". I said yes. This happened about 4 times. I thought this was ONLY the display driver, but somehow it also installed the RAGE WDM stuff it looks like. I went into Device Manager to have a look under Sound and Video controllers and all the ATI WDM stuff is listed and installed properly! (no yellow exclamation marks!) I was planning on installing the other files that came with cat 6.2 (WDM and CCC) but now that everything looks like it is installed, I'm guessing I don't have to install these other setup files. ("6-2_xp-2k_wdm_30152" and "6-2_ccc_enu_30152"). Weird. Now I don't have the ATI MMC installed so I didn't know how to check if the tuner/capture was working properly. I decided to use Virtual Dub and Nero Vision to see if I could capture. And the capture is working now! You have no idea how good i feel I'm not sure how XP installed the WDM devices since I only used the Display Driver application, but it does seem to work now. I'm scared to install MMC, but I understand that MMC 9.08 should work well with Cat6.2. Do I NEED to install MMC? Is there other software I can use to watch and Capture TV properly or is ATI's MMC my best bet ?? Now I really believe that one of the new driver updates (after cat 6.2) effected the 9600XT cards, because I tried this process hundreds of times with my old card and it did not work. Maybe one of the drivers burned out the Tuner part of the card somehow? Who knows. ATI will never tell us I guess. At least they sent me a new card quickly.

Dec 18, 2006, 01:42 AM	#546
PandaZ3 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cornelius, Oregon Posts: 419 Rep Power: 0	The card will work great on a Win Me machine, so it seems to center on XP SP2 and ATI has never been able to correct it. __________________ It has to be Plugged In? To electricity? Video cards in house, 5770, 4650, HD 3870, X1950 XTX, X1900 XTX, X1900 XT and X1900 Crossfire, 2 X1800 XT's, X850 Pro, X800 Pro, AIW 9600XT, 9600 Pro, 9550 SE, 9200, 7000. XFX 6800 GS

Dec 19, 2006, 10:00 PM	#549
PandaZ3 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cornelius, Oregon Posts: 419 Rep Power: 0	Well the warden really likes it as a video card, she's going to keep it. I wish she would let me have it, as I feel like playing with Win Me again..... __________________ It has to be Plugged In? To electricity? Video cards in house, 5770, 4650, HD 3870, X1950 XTX, X1900 XTX, X1900 XT and X1900 Crossfire, 2 X1800 XT's, X850 Pro, X800 Pro, AIW 9600XT, 9600 Pro, 9550 SE, 9200, 7000. XFX 6800 GS

Nov 20, 2006, 10:38 PM	#542
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Well thing with that is that the only reason the CD is good is for the DVD Decoder authentication which the ISO is no good for (tried and it didn't work)

Dec 18, 2006, 01:17 AM	#545
riptide2k6 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Howdy folks! Well, I just had a client this week reporting that his AIW 9600 TV Tuner didn't work anymore. I now have it in the shop here, and wanted to give everyone my 2¢. BTW, I am REALLY really happy not to be discussing Symantec NAV issues this time around! LOL The problem the machine is having is 100% identical to everyone here. IE: TV failed to initialize, Yellow exclamations on "ATI WDM Rage Theatre Audio" and "ATI WDM TV Audio Crossbar". Before finding this thread, I uninstalled the drivers, and installed the NEW and AMAZING Catalyst (December 14 2006) and latest MMC drivers from AMD. No surprises that it didn't work. It removed the WDM crap and installed the T200 driver. No exclamation marks. However, "TV failed to initialize". I did get it working by simply doing a "repair" of the AVIVO driver (by going to C:\ATI\SUPPORT\...). However, the TV image is extremely lagged (6 second delay at least and choppy) and the sound is also choppy/stutters. Also, the FM tuner just screaches noise. Quitting the FM application, the screaching stops and the last channel stays on nice and clear. I suppose this is due to ATI's change in the WDM drivers to the T200 driver. It seams that it abandons the Line-In port (using the stereo 1/8 cable on the videocard header) and rather uses a numeric internal coding to transfert sound to the audio system. Anyhow, I uninstalled all that T200 crap, and reinstalled the good old original CD drivers and it worked perfectly. To get it to fail? Simple. Unplug the PC from the power 115V line, wait 30 seconds to have it completely discharge, plug it back in and boot. BANG. The WDM drivers listed above return to their Yellow Exclamation marks and TV Tuner SNAFU. As was said, uninstall, reinstall, everything works again until the POWER is removed for at least 30 seconds. Also, as another important note, the Microsoft Windows Update delivers 2 updates concerning the ATI 9600 AIW card. Both optional, one relates to a "driver" update, and the other to the ATI X10 Remote. Once these beautiful updates install, the card drivers (AIW9600 and AIW9600 secondary) f*ck up, and the ATI Remote driver is out of commision. Does any one think this may be at play here since I believe someone else said the card worked properly under Vista? Who's at fault Microsoft or AMD(ATI)? The client's computer is based on the ASUS P4P800 mobo, 1Gb ram, 120Gb Max HD, SB 128 PCI, and of course the faboulous ATI 9600 AIW AGP. CPU is an Intel 2.6GHz processor without Hyper-Threading.

Dec 18, 2006, 01:57 AM	#547
riptide2k6 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	PandaZ3, Yeah, now that is an idea. I will attempt to install it using a Windows 98SE platform using same exact hardware. Will post results. I am suprised because I built the machine about 3 years ago and have to say has been functioning very well since then. The client, a doctor, has been nothing but pleased by its functions for TV and transfering videos into the computer. Of course, it has a 3 year warranty and that time has come (2 weeks short). Must some sort of built-in time bomb that goes off in the card to encourage purchasing another card. LOL From what others posted here, I didn't take a chance and filed for an RMA a few minutes ago with ATI (or AMD).

Dec 19, 2006, 10:23 PM	#550
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I've never had that feeling.... never had ME either (I've disowned those 10 mins of my life where I tried it)