Come on ATI.. Little more work on the AIW series please.

kbuzzard · Jan 12, 2006, 08:20 PM

Lots of text, doing fix is actually easy, your 16:9 will work after that. Some of you newest AIW's will have to try. Please post if it does or even if it doesn't work, Help your Buddies out

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 12, 2006, 09:21 PM

I'd try it but right now I need this machine to be 100% functional, can't have half done driver installs and what not.

When I get time I will try it and see how the X800XT batch of AiW's fare with it

kbuzzard · Jan 13, 2006, 08:55 PM

You'll enjoy this. Clean SP2 up2 date etc. I put CAT 5.11DispDrvr/DAO../WDM - per my sequence and as I remembered WDM_SP Video "REFUSED" to go. Screw You ya mfsobp of .., Got out my CAT 2.5 CD, Upgraded WDM_NSP to WDM_XP >>>> IT APPEARS THIS DRIVER MUST BE DIGITALLY SIGNED BY M$ BEFORE IT WILL CHANGE !!!!<<<<<<<<<!!! IT TOOK. I finished the set with CAT4.10 DVD Decoder and MMC 9.02. It ALL WORKS, look at THAT !! MIX

. Getting the NSP Video out MUST be done with the "compatible Hardware UNCHECKED and BE PERSISTANT, NSP is NOT compatible here. Have a nice weekend folks.

Update, now 3 hrs later, PC loaded up, TV been on 2 hours, played 1/2 a DVD. Even got GUIDE PLUS on and working, TV shows with IE6 like old days. GENTLEMEN, I am using 2002 CAT 2.5 WDM_XP, it shows as WDM_SP, DRIVER HELL. I don't mean to bore you, just interesting that it is SO FICKLE, If ya get'r working, Clone the SOB.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 14, 2006, 12:27 AM

Catalyst 2.5...eh?

I didn't know 9600 AiW's supported drivers that far back

Whach · Jan 14, 2006, 03:04 AM

God ATI have really dropped the ball when it comes to their AIW software. I am now forced to shop for an alternative TV card. im so irked off >=( nothing but static and random mmc freezes. "end rant"

PandaZ3 · Jan 14, 2006, 03:44 AM

Even though this thread is eleven pages I only count 15 different posters.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 14, 2006, 04:25 AM

Well kbuzzard has a good start on it, he's got most of the info down and has done the most work.

I just hope ATI listens to him.

Judas · Jan 14, 2006, 09:37 AM

if they don't listen to kbuzzard..... imo, ati down the crapper... in the AIW department....

kbuzzard · Jan 14, 2006, 05:36 PM

Thanks for the kind words guys, I'm trying, ATI ?, Mr X just don't seem to give____. I don't have a newer card BUT I would bet if they would read these pages and get down and dirty, yhey can get it. My old boss JUST bought a New DELL P4 3.2 MCE OH _hit, I told him GO get another HDD, make a slave and CLONE YOUR DRIVE NOW !!!. Yea, My CD has CAT 2.5 all, THAT WDM_XP, YES XP will work in CAT 4.10,5.10,5.11 if you PRAY for Devine HELP. It installs into XP SP2 as WDM_SP... Video SP, ITS WDM_XP, Who CARES ITS WORKING VERY WELL.

kbuzzard · Jan 14, 2006, 05:39 PM

Moderators THANK YOU. Do you have suggestions to get more AIW exposure. The more we get may shake loose ideas, get together and bust down ATI's door, lol. I told Mr X at ATI I WOULD FLY to Toronto and SHOW THEM, Screw the cold and Snow.

Just Learnin' · Jan 14, 2006, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PandaZ3

Even though this thread is eleven pages I only count 15 different posters.

I think the number of views it has had is indicative of people searching for answers to their issues, wouldn't you agree? Not everyone wants to post and admit they got hosed on what is an expensive item. Others may be looking for answers before they spend the bucks to RMA, whatever it is it certainly seems to be a hot thread.

swimtech · Jan 15, 2006, 01:46 AM

Again, nice work kbuzzard... Gonna stick this.

Wondering, I've been using a 9600XT with the ATI TV Wonder PCI card - key here is that is does NOT have a Rage Theatre chip - it uses the Brooktree capture chip - so the WDM NSP/SP issue does not apply to me and that seems to be where the problem for those that have AIWs with Rage Theatre chips and recent model tuners (AIW 9000 and forward) are having issues...

Based upon your extensive testing, shouldn't those who get the MMC/TV/Capture stuff set up be able to update the video driver component alone (so long as the WDM is not changed) without affecting functionality of the tuner/capture portions? I would think yes, because that is essentially what I have been doing for a long time now - but I'm asking for your confirmation considering what you have been through. I realize this may sound redundant - just trying to summarize and clarify...

You see, I've been an Omegadrive driver fan for years - and he has intentionally left out the WDM from his drivers since before DriverHeaven existed. However, ATI has been and does now include the WDM as part of the video driveset since the advent of their Catalyst series driversets. I've always wondered why the WDM has been included with the video driver (for VIVO owners and as a convenience to 'unify' the driverset, I would guess) rather than as a separate download or as part of the MMC software instead.

I've been able for years to set up the MMC software and functionality and have it work without issue while upgrading the video driver many times using Omegadrive's driversets. I had been using MMC 7.9 for the past couple years (since Windows XP came out...) and only recently have gone to the MMC 9.03. I got that set up fine, then used Omegadrive's driversets for the video driver part. I KNOW that the WDM is left alone by using Omegadrive's video driversets. Maybe just downloading the video driver and the CCC individually (which is available from ATI) while leaving the WDM out of the upgrade process would help...

That still leaves us to deal with the issues of uninstalling the previous driver and CCC (or just the old ATI Control Panel) without touching the WDM stuff... This process really should be easier somehow...

kbuzzard · Jan 15, 2006, 05:02 PM

I would certainly agree with you, I find little problems with the Display drivers regardless of the CAT OR Omega #, VERY true. Following your path, it really doesn't seem to matter what WDM you use, Proof Of Point, I,As I type have CAT 5.11dd/dao/ccc with 2003 ATI CD WDM_XP, YES I said XP WDM running on my VERY up to date SP2 (closer to SP3) speed tweaked etc and ALSO using CAT 4.10 MMC !!!!!!!!. I only include so much info as a clue that YOUR hardware,software set=up May OR May - Not work, If it doesn't, Try another. Alsp I HIGHLY agree that changing Display Driver alpne will probably work. THAT IS exactly what I was doing until ROXIO V8 totally scrambled my OS. Hell for me started putting a new set-up back together, hense- all my posts. my History so to speak.

P.S. Simply WDM Drivers 4.10 and before have "NO" WDM_NSP contained,
MMC 9.02 has all the goodies, without the crap,this is also part of CAT 4.10
CAT 5.11 and UP , "I" find NOT a big boost for AIW 9600
Therefore I CHOOSE Cat 5.11dd/dao/ccc CAT **2.5 YES*** WDM_XP from MY ATI CD plus CAT 4.10 DVD (Almost all have the SAME 5.71 meg dl size- hummm !! and MMC 9.02, Been running GREAT !!!!!!!

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 15, 2006, 07:45 PM

Thing I don't get is why my 9.08/5.8 worked for a long time then I hit the 5.1x series and bye bye working stuff

Beofres · Jan 16, 2006, 05:29 AM

f*ck this. I've done everything I can to get this damn AIW to work. I've tried every combination of drivers and every combination of system configuration. Tuner still won't work and system locks up when using 3d applications. ATI has lost my business, and I don't care about you folk that say 'well all the other non-AIW cards run beautifully...' well I don't care. The chain is as strongest as it's weakest link, and if ATI's AIW have to use 4 year old drivers and sheer luck to work, then why market them? These cards seem to have no real work done on them, aside from 'shove as many features as we can so people will buy it'. I don't think I can get newegg credit, so I'm hoping that the lockups (noone else seems to have them) are because of my particular card, but I've told as many people as I could that the AIW really suck. And it still infuriates me that the card makes my BIOS reset.
I'm not sure how to express my deep frustration to ATI right now without getting banned. If anyone has any ideas as to why this card is acting so (the lockups), can ye help me?

kbuzzard · Jan 16, 2006, 06:38 AM

I'm reading your post and am about to falls a sleep, late. Let me sleep on that. I guess you are trying to run 2 video cards, ATI AIW is finiky alone. I would probably start by simplifying your set-up, add Vid drivers and move along. I have a Hauppauge Nexus-s on my PC with the AIW 9600 and CANNOT play both at once, 2 video cards has got to load the system pretty hard. More when I'm alert

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H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 16, 2006, 05:17 PM

Eh my AiW packaging says I can add another ATI Tuner and be able to do PiP and all that....

What are AiW's racist against other brands?

I always wanted to try 2 tuners but never had the cash spare

kbuzzard · Jan 16, 2006, 07:00 PM

Yea but ya gotta get one of them working right,leave alone 2, lol. lmao,

. Actually TV Wonder easier as it doesn't use WDM's, My old ( Now Wifes) PC has TVW and she use'n CAT5.12dd,MMC9.08 on P3 600, works GREAT. I have thought about one day yanking her card and trying that. btw, this has been tedious trying this and that, I bought 4 matching 40 gig Maxtor SATA-150's so I can have 2 OS's ie 1-SP1 setup and 1SP2 setup EACH with a Clone and 2 120 gig SATA 150's for "G" drives. I DON"T EVER WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS S_IT AGAIN. I use my SATA 1 and 2 as "C" and "G", with my HDDS external. am working on 4 way switch array to make this REAL easy. I have mentioned previous, "CasperXP" is a 2.5 meg program that will 100% CLONE your "C" drive and make playing easier when you don't have to worry about losing your Operating system set-up, Absolute speed on RAIDS makes no sense to me vs Redundant back-up capability, but I'm a NFS all guy, anyway.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 16, 2006, 09:18 PM

Ghost works amazingly for clones too, infact works best I find.

But cloning isn't the issue

kbuzzard · Jan 17, 2006, 01:22 AM

Ghost TOOOO much trouble, I don't depend on 'maybe" it will work. Ghost is now 85 meg + Net Framework 2.0 etc, NAAA

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 17, 2006, 02:27 AM

Ghost is not bad on the boot DVD I Have

Absolutely no trouble there

Beofres · Jan 18, 2006, 11:50 PM

I just got a response to a ticket I sent in like 3 weeks ago? They recommend MMC 9.13 would fix the NSP issue!

Trying out now!

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 19, 2006, 01:59 AM

Hah I bet they said that just because thats the only answer they had.

*crosses fingers and hopes 9.13 works*

kbuzzard · Jan 19, 2006, 04:45 AM

Yea, IF it fixes NSP PLEASE let us know, Please excuse me if I don't hold my breath. lol. Cat 6.1 has lol, new WDM also.

Judas · Jan 19, 2006, 07:50 AM

<~trying to NOT hold breath....

Judas · Jan 20, 2006, 01:20 AM

kbuzzard

Would you then recommend ANYONE installing any AIW cards freshly with Windows XP Pro SP2 the following installation method:

1: Freshly install Windows XP Pro SP2 onto a freshly formated HD
2: Install all latest motherboard chipset drivers and windows updates
3: Using ATI's catalyst full installation, Instead of choosing Typical install, select Advanced, and uncheck WDM installation
4: After reboot, insert the ATI CD that came with your AIW (for 9800 pro or older) and choose to install the driver, select Advanced and uncheck the Driver and Control Panel, leaving WDMs checked
(for those with newer cards, download an archived catalyst version 4.12 or older version and apon installing, clicked advanced and uncheck the driver/control panel leaving the WDMs selected)..
5: install all the other AIW related drivers required. Then the MMC software.

Would you say this is the best method? If not, could you do a simple detailed similare to the above step setup?

kbuzzard · Jan 20, 2006, 04:49 AM

WOW, I am terrible at trying to get whats in my "burnt" noodle to this text so you can understand it and keep is short and simple. Actually I have now done this better than 2 dozen times and the "IMPORTANT" thing is Swapping out the "ATI WDM Rage Theater Video NSP for the SP. HERES THE KEY ISSUE, WHAT ATI REFUSES TO GET OUT !!!!
Go to DEVICE MANAGER, Find "Sound,Video and Game Controllers" NOW right click on IT and you have a box open with the option "upgrade Driver" click On it, I REALLY NEED a PICTORIAL, At next Window, click "No, Not This Time" now NEXT. New window, click on "install from a list or specific location(Advanced)" and NEXT, New window, Click on"Don't search.I will choose the driver to install" and NEXT. NOW YOU ARE AT ATI's SCREW UP courtesy of Microsoft- You should be at the "Hardware Update Wizard". FOLKS, Just below the Speaker Icon you will see a little check box that says "Show Compatible Hardware" WHEN IT IS CHECKED YOU "CANNOT PICK ANYTHING BUT "ATI WDM Rage Theater Video NSP" NOW, JUST UNCLICK THAT little BOX and "WATCH" your NEW OPTIONS. Now Folks, depending on YOUR AIW, you need to FIND ATI WDM Rage Theater Video SP and get it installed. IF YOU CAN"T, BE sure your choice is "Digitally Signed" or SP2 won't let you install it. AT this point, Your ATI CD may be YOUR SOURCE for that WDM_SP OR even WDM_XP WILL WORK. I have done more research than I needed and based on that, Once you get WDM_SP installed, Finish DVD Decoder, MMC. Frankly MMC newer than 9.02 seems to be nothing but issues. I hope this is clearer. If not, let me know, maybe My wife's nice Nikon and I can work a pictorial here.

kbuzzard · Jan 20, 2006, 04:57 AM

I REALLY SUCK at doing this, I'm sorry. GET RID OF NSP, and play around, try different Display Drivers ( They aren't critical) IT DOES HELP TO GET WDM_SP INSTALLED BEFORE INSTALLING Any more Drivers. You MUST install DVD Decoder before MMC or DVD Won't show up in the MMC menu ???, Their Drivers are SOOOOO finiky. CAT 5.13 DD/DAO/WDM_XP ( changes to SP ONCE INstalled, Don't ask ME WHY) CAT 4.10 DVD/MMC has been working excellent as well. WDMs of CAT 4.10 or lower DO NOT HAVE WDM_NSP contained. NOTE - Getting WDM_NSP swapped out is VITAL,

CAT # Below 2.5 to 4.10 was XP SP1 (No WDM_NSP), 4.11 was XP SP2 and about CAT 4.12 MCE shows up and has SP and NSP

kbuzzard · Jan 20, 2006, 05:42 AM

This is NOT labelled correctly BUT, THIS IS THE PAGE WITH THE GD little check box, YOU MUST UNCHECK.

Just Learnin' · Jan 20, 2006, 09:12 PM

Well I tried the latest everything from ATI including the Remote drivers which it took about 15 tries to get to work and............................................... ......................... so far , touch wood for luck, they seem to work.......

I get a static sound coming and going when viewing TV and there is a delay when compared to the TV I have in the same room but it is the best performance I have had to date so........ Even GuidePlus! seems to be ok at the moment. That is the only app from my install disk that I used. Everything else is the latest Cat's and MMC except the Control Panel which I installed from the last release it came with. The Control Center has given me too much grief to consider trying it.

Will let you know how long it lasts.

Jan 13, 2006, 08:55 PM	#153
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	You'll enjoy this. Clean SP2 up2 date etc. I put CAT 5.11DispDrvr/DAO../WDM - per my sequence and as I remembered WDM_SP Video "REFUSED" to go. Screw You ya mfsobp of .., Got out my CAT 2.5 CD, Upgraded WDM_NSP to WDM_XP >>>> IT APPEARS THIS DRIVER MUST BE DIGITALLY SIGNED BY M$ BEFORE IT WILL CHANGE !!!!<<<<<<<<<!!! IT TOOK. I finished the set with CAT4.10 DVD Decoder and MMC 9.02. It ALL WORKS, look at THAT !! MIX. Getting the NSP Video out MUST be done with the "compatible Hardware UNCHECKED and BE PERSISTANT, NSP is NOT compatible here. Have a nice weekend folks. Update, now 3 hrs later, PC loaded up, TV been on 2 hours, played 1/2 a DVD. Even got GUIDE PLUS on and working, TV shows with IE6 like old days. GENTLEMEN, I am using 2002 CAT 2.5 WDM_XP, it shows as WDM_SP, DRIVER HELL. I don't mean to bore you, just interesting that it is SO FICKLE, If ya get'r working, Clone the SOB. Last edited by kbuzzard; Jan 13, 2006 at 11:48 PM.

Jan 14, 2006, 03:04 AM	#155
Whach DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	God ATI have really dropped the ball when it comes to their AIW software. I am now forced to shop for an alternative TV card. im so irked off >=( nothing but static and random mmc freezes. "end rant" __________________ P4 2.6C @ 3.2 Ghz \| Corsair XMS 1GB PC3500 Dual Channel \| Corsair XMS 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel \| Total Memory = 2GB \| Abit IC7-G \| ATI AIW X800XT (R420) \| 2x Maxtor 250GB 16MB Cache Raid 0 \| 2x 200GB WD SE \| Audigy 2 \| Logitech Z-680 \| Sony DRU-500A \| Plextor 24/10/40A \| Plextor 716-SA \| Sony 19" CRT CPD-E440 \| Koolance EXOS Watercooling \| Koolance CPU 200-G CPU block \| Antec Plusview 1000AMG \| Antec TrueBlue480 \| WindowsXP Pro

Jan 14, 2006, 03:44 AM	#156
PandaZ3 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cornelius, Oregon Posts: 417 Rep Power: 0	Even though this thread is eleven pages I only count 15 different posters. __________________ It has to be Plugged In? To electricity? Video cards in house, 5770, 4650, HD 3870, X1950 XTX, X1900 XTX, X1900 XT and X1900 Crossfire, 2 X1800 XT's, X850 Pro, X800 Pro, AIW 9600XT, 9600 Pro, 9550 SE, 9200, 7000. XFX 6800 GS

Jan 15, 2006, 01:46 AM	#162
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 122 System Specs	Again, nice work kbuzzard... Gonna stick this. Wondering, I've been using a 9600XT with the ATI TV Wonder PCI card - key here is that is does NOT have a Rage Theatre chip - it uses the Brooktree capture chip - so the WDM NSP/SP issue does not apply to me and that seems to be where the problem for those that have AIWs with Rage Theatre chips and recent model tuners (AIW 9000 and forward) are having issues... Based upon your extensive testing, shouldn't those who get the MMC/TV/Capture stuff set up be able to update the video driver component alone (so long as the WDM is not changed) without affecting functionality of the tuner/capture portions? I would think yes, because that is essentially what I have been doing for a long time now - but I'm asking for your confirmation considering what you have been through. I realize this may sound redundant - just trying to summarize and clarify... You see, I've been an Omegadrive driver fan for years - and he has intentionally left out the WDM from his drivers since before DriverHeaven existed. However, ATI has been and does now include the WDM as part of the video driveset since the advent of their Catalyst series driversets. I've always wondered why the WDM has been included with the video driver (for VIVO owners and as a convenience to 'unify' the driverset, I would guess) rather than as a separate download or as part of the MMC software instead. I've been able for years to set up the MMC software and functionality and have it work without issue while upgrading the video driver many times using Omegadrive's driversets. I had been using MMC 7.9 for the past couple years (since Windows XP came out...) and only recently have gone to the MMC 9.03. I got that set up fine, then used Omegadrive's driversets for the video driver part. I KNOW that the WDM is left alone by using Omegadrive's video driversets. Maybe just downloading the video driver and the CCC individually (which is available from ATI) while leaving the WDM out of the upgrade process would help... That still leaves us to deal with the issues of uninstalling the previous driver and CCC (or just the old ATI Control Panel) without touching the WDM stuff... This process really should be easier somehow... __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

Jan 15, 2006, 05:02 PM	#163
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	I would certainly agree with you, I find little problems with the Display drivers regardless of the CAT OR Omega #, VERY true. Following your path, it really doesn't seem to matter what WDM you use, Proof Of Point, I,As I type have CAT 5.11dd/dao/ccc with 2003 ATI CD WDM_XP, YES I said XP WDM running on my VERY up to date SP2 (closer to SP3) speed tweaked etc and ALSO using CAT 4.10 MMC !!!!!!!!. I only include so much info as a clue that YOUR hardware,software set=up May OR May - Not work, If it doesn't, Try another. Alsp I HIGHLY agree that changing Display Driver alpne will probably work. THAT IS exactly what I was doing until ROXIO V8 totally scrambled my OS. Hell for me started putting a new set-up back together, hense- all my posts. my History so to speak. P.S. Simply WDM Drivers 4.10 and before have "NO" WDM_NSP contained, MMC 9.02 has all the goodies, without the crap,this is also part of CAT 4.10 CAT 5.11 and UP , "I" find NOT a big boost for AIW 9600 Therefore I CHOOSE Cat 5.11dd/dao/ccc CAT 2.5 YES* WDM_XP from MY ATI CD plus CAT 4.10 DVD (Almost all have the SAME 5.71 meg dl size- hummm !! and MMC 9.02, Been running GREAT !!!!!!! Last edited by kbuzzard; Jan 15, 2006 at 05:10 PM.

Jan 12, 2006, 08:20 PM	#151
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	Lots of text, doing fix is actually easy, your 16:9 will work after that. Some of you newest AIW's will have to try. Please post if it does or even if it doesn't work, Help your Buddies out

Jan 12, 2006, 09:21 PM	#152
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I'd try it but right now I need this machine to be 100% functional, can't have half done driver installs and what not. When I get time I will try it and see how the X800XT batch of AiW's fare with it

Jan 14, 2006, 12:27 AM	#154
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Catalyst 2.5...eh? I didn't know 9600 AiW's supported drivers that far back

Jan 14, 2006, 04:25 AM	#157
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Well kbuzzard has a good start on it, he's got most of the info down and has done the most work. I just hope ATI listens to him.

Jan 14, 2006, 05:36 PM	#159
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the kind words guys, I'm trying, ATI ?, Mr X just don't seem to give____. I don't have a newer card BUT I would bet if they would read these pages and get down and dirty, yhey can get it. My old boss JUST bought a New DELL P4 3.2 MCE OH _hit, I told him GO get another HDD, make a slave and CLONE YOUR DRIVE NOW !!!. Yea, My CD has CAT 2.5 all, THAT WDM_XP, YES XP will work in CAT 4.10,5.10,5.11 if you PRAY for Devine HELP. It installs into XP SP2 as WDM_SP... Video SP, ITS WDM_XP, Who CARES ITS WORKING VERY WELL.

Jan 14, 2006, 05:39 PM	#160
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	Moderators THANK YOU. Do you have suggestions to get more AIW exposure. The more we get may shake loose ideas, get together and bust down ATI's door, lol. I told Mr X at ATI I WOULD FLY to Toronto and SHOW THEM, Screw the cold and Snow.

Jan 15, 2006, 07:45 PM	#164
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Thing I don't get is why my 9.08/5.8 worked for a long time then I hit the 5.1x series and bye bye working stuff

Jan 16, 2006, 05:29 AM	#165
Beofres DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	f*ck this. I've done everything I can to get this damn AIW to work. I've tried every combination of drivers and every combination of system configuration. Tuner still won't work and system locks up when using 3d applications. ATI has lost my business, and I don't care about you folk that say 'well all the other non-AIW cards run beautifully...' well I don't care. The chain is as strongest as it's weakest link, and if ATI's AIW have to use 4 year old drivers and sheer luck to work, then why market them? These cards seem to have no real work done on them, aside from 'shove as many features as we can so people will buy it'. I don't think I can get newegg credit, so I'm hoping that the lockups (noone else seems to have them) are because of my particular card, but I've told as many people as I could that the AIW really suck. And it still infuriates me that the card makes my BIOS reset. I'm not sure how to express my deep frustration to ATI right now without getting banned. If anyone has any ideas as to why this card is acting so (the lockups), can ye help me?

Jan 16, 2006, 06:38 AM	#166
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	I'm reading your post and am about to falls a sleep, late. Let me sleep on that. I guess you are trying to run 2 video cards, ATI AIW is finiky alone. I would probably start by simplifying your set-up, add Vid drivers and move along. I have a Hauppauge Nexus-s on my PC with the AIW 9600 and CANNOT play both at once, 2 video cards has got to load the system pretty hard. More when I'm alert .

Jan 16, 2006, 05:17 PM	#167
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Eh my AiW packaging says I can add another ATI Tuner and be able to do PiP and all that.... What are AiW's racist against other brands? I always wanted to try 2 tuners but never had the cash spare

Jan 16, 2006, 07:00 PM	#168
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	Yea but ya gotta get one of them working right,leave alone 2, lol. lmao,. Actually TV Wonder easier as it doesn't use WDM's, My old ( Now Wifes) PC has TVW and she use'n CAT5.12dd,MMC9.08 on P3 600, works GREAT. I have thought about one day yanking her card and trying that. btw, this has been tedious trying this and that, I bought 4 matching 40 gig Maxtor SATA-150's so I can have 2 OS's ie 1-SP1 setup and 1SP2 setup EACH with a Clone and 2 120 gig SATA 150's for "G" drives. I DON"T EVER WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS S_IT AGAIN. I use my SATA 1 and 2 as "C" and "G", with my HDDS external. am working on 4 way switch array to make this REAL easy. I have mentioned previous, "CasperXP" is a 2.5 meg program that will 100% CLONE your "C" drive and make playing easier when you don't have to worry about losing your Operating system set-up, Absolute speed on RAIDS makes no sense to me vs Redundant back-up capability, but I'm a NFS all guy, anyway.

Jan 16, 2006, 09:18 PM	#169
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Ghost works amazingly for clones too, infact works best I find. But cloning isn't the issue

Jan 17, 2006, 01:22 AM	#170
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	Ghost TOOOO much trouble, I don't depend on 'maybe" it will work. Ghost is now 85 meg + Net Framework 2.0 etc, NAAA

Jan 17, 2006, 02:27 AM	#171
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Ghost is not bad on the boot DVD I Have Absolutely no trouble there

Jan 18, 2006, 11:50 PM	#172
Beofres DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	9.13 out? I just got a response to a ticket I sent in like 3 weeks ago? They recommend MMC 9.13 would fix the NSP issue! Trying out now!

Jan 19, 2006, 01:59 AM	#173
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Hah I bet they said that just because thats the only answer they had. crosses fingers and hopes 9.13 works

Jan 19, 2006, 04:45 AM	#174
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	Yea, IF it fixes NSP PLEASE let us know, Please excuse me if I don't hold my breath. lol. Cat 6.1 has lol, new WDM also.

Jan 20, 2006, 04:49 AM	#177
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	WOW, I am terrible at trying to get whats in my "burnt" noodle to this text so you can understand it and keep is short and simple. Actually I have now done this better than 2 dozen times and the "IMPORTANT" thing is Swapping out the "ATI WDM Rage Theater Video NSP for the SP. HERES THE KEY ISSUE, WHAT ATI REFUSES TO GET OUT !!!! Go to DEVICE MANAGER, Find "Sound,Video and Game Controllers" NOW right click on IT and you have a box open with the option "upgrade Driver" click On it, I REALLY NEED a PICTORIAL, At next Window, click "No, Not This Time" now NEXT. New window, click on "install from a list or specific location(Advanced)" and NEXT, New window, Click on"Don't search.I will choose the driver to install" and NEXT. NOW YOU ARE AT ATI's SCREW UP courtesy of Microsoft- You should be at the "Hardware Update Wizard". FOLKS, Just below the Speaker Icon you will see a little check box that says "Show Compatible Hardware" WHEN IT IS CHECKED YOU "CANNOT PICK ANYTHING BUT "ATI WDM Rage Theater Video NSP" NOW, JUST UNCLICK THAT little BOX and "WATCH" your NEW OPTIONS. Now Folks, depending on YOUR AIW, you need to FIND ATI WDM Rage Theater Video SP and get it installed. IF YOU CAN"T, BE sure your choice is "Digitally Signed" or SP2 won't let you install it. AT this point, Your ATI CD may be YOUR SOURCE for that WDM_SP OR even WDM_XP WILL WORK. I have done more research than I needed and based on that, Once you get WDM_SP installed, Finish DVD Decoder, MMC. Frankly MMC newer than 9.02 seems to be nothing but issues. I hope this is clearer. If not, let me know, maybe My wife's nice Nikon and I can work a pictorial here.

Jan 20, 2006, 04:57 AM	#178
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	I REALLY SUCK at doing this, I'm sorry. GET RID OF NSP, and play around, try different Display Drivers ( They aren't critical) IT DOES HELP TO GET WDM_SP INSTALLED BEFORE INSTALLING Any more Drivers. You MUST install DVD Decoder before MMC or DVD Won't show up in the MMC menu ???, Their Drivers are SOOOOO finiky. CAT 5.13 DD/DAO/WDM_XP ( changes to SP ONCE INstalled, Don't ask ME WHY) CAT 4.10 DVD/MMC has been working excellent as well. WDMs of CAT 4.10 or lower DO NOT HAVE WDM_NSP contained. NOTE - Getting WDM_NSP swapped out is VITAL, CAT # Below 2.5 to 4.10 was XP SP1 (No WDM_NSP), 4.11 was XP SP2 and about CAT 4.12 MCE shows up and has SP and NSP Last edited by kbuzzard; Jan 20, 2006 at 05:41 AM.

Jan 20, 2006, 05:42 AM	#179
kbuzzard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	This is NOT labelled correctly BUT, THIS IS THE PAGE WITH THE GD little check box, YOU MUST UNCHECK.

Jan 20, 2006, 09:12 PM	#180
Just Learnin' HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,414 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	Well I tried the latest everything from ATI including the Remote drivers which it took about 15 tries to get to work and............................................... ......................... so far , touch wood for luck, they seem to work....... I get a static sound coming and going when viewing TV and there is a delay when compared to the TV I have in the same room but it is the best performance I have had to date so........ Even GuidePlus! seems to be ok at the moment. That is the only app from my install disk that I used. Everything else is the latest Cat's and MMC except the Control Panel which I installed from the last release it came with. The Control Center has given me too much grief to consider trying it. Will let you know how long it lasts.