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Old Jan 1, 2007, 05:57 PM   #121
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lol i found ANOTHER motherboard on newegg that supports Core 2 Duo, DDR 400, DDR2 677, AGP, AND PCI Express

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the only downfall is that the Pci Express runs at 4x speeds so theres a bottleneck there for large cards, and its slower than AGP but it can use Pci Express!

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Interesting!

Hey guys!

A very interesting read! I was looking at this video card as well and was wondering if it would be worth it to purchase it with my system... since it is a pretty old system and I think a lot of things within it will bottleneck the video card or will it? Should I just go ahead and get the 2nd best option instead?

Also the ATI X1950 PRO says its bus interface is 8X AGP... normally i'd see video cards say its 4x/8x agp... but this one just says 8X agp... does this mean it wont work on my AGP Pro slot supporting 1.5V 4x AGP?

if the X1950 PRO isnt right for my current system, what would give me a noticeable performance increase? I believe I have a 400W Allied PSU or 500W, cant remeber.

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This post is for anybody that is considering getting this card and is wondering if it would be worth it.

I would think twice about getting any variation of the latest greatest agp cards unless your mobo, cpu, and ram, were top of the line when pci-e was introduced.
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Hey guys!

A very interesting read! I was looking at this video card as well and was wondering if it would be worth it to purchase it with my system... since it is a pretty old system and I think a lot of things within it will bottleneck the video card or will it? Should I just go ahead and get the 2nd best option instead?

Also the ATI X1950 PRO says its bus interface is 8X AGP... normally i'd see video cards say its 4x/8x agp... but this one just says 8X agp... does this mean it wont work on my AGP Pro slot supporting 1.5V 4x AGP?

if the X1950 PRO isnt right for my current system, what would give me a noticeable performance increase? I believe I have a 400W Allied PSU or 500W, cant remeber.

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hey there...according to the system specs you have listed out there, yes, your machine will greatly bottlneck that gfx card. Hell, it'll even bottlneck an x800xl/xt or a 6800GT/6800Ultra. Mainly do to your processor being an AXP.

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A 2000+ would limit an X800XT maybe, and definately an X1950, however something more like a Barton 2800+/3200+ with a faster bus and some PC3200 memory wouldn't be THAT bad.
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thanks for the replies guys!

yeah I figured so, good to know!
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A 2000+ would limit an X800XT maybe, and definately an X1950, however something more like a Barton 2800+/3200+ with a faster bus and some PC3200 memory wouldn't be THAT bad.
true, but will the MoBo support it? and also, how hard will it be to find one of those unless it's being sold on eBay?
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true, but will the MoBo support it? and also, how hard will it be to find one of those unless it's being sold on eBay?
Its not THAT hard if you look, used chips are all over the place I think and finding it newer would be a little challenge but not impossible.

Anything KT400A or better will support all the goodies in the AXP world and ditto for nForce 2.
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Old Jan 7, 2007, 09:10 PM   #129
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By obvious I mean those 2 outta 10 idots that open their yaps, and say, "Well, I was overclocking my card when my screen went all wonky on me. Right then I got a wiff of smoke, and I look over to see this bright pulsing light coming from inside my case. At first I thought, "Oh, cool!". Then the brain in my @$$ kicked in, and I was like, "Oh $#!7!"
i just cant help but laugh at that quote..........its just TOO funny

anyways, REALLY dont think using that mobo is a good idea, i have an old p4 2.0GHz in the livingroom runing with the Intel D850MD board and 768mb of RDRAM

the AMD and Intel Processors really are somewhat equal so...... with that in mind i wouldnt upgrade the GPU to that man.....mine runs a GeForce MX something and it can take more....but more like a the X800XT like he said,

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I hope Powercolor comes out with a 512mb version. They have a good card with that cooler.
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I agree.. If they have a 512mb version I'm all over it. (although.. I'm not in such a hurry now for a new video card now that I finally got a 360.)
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Anyone know if it is possible to use an older catalyst version, (like the Radeon 3.8.205's based on cat 6.1) with this new AGP card?
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Anyone know if it is possible to use an older catalyst version, (like the Radeon 3.8.205's based on cat 6.1) with this new AGP card?
The newest official drivers barely support this card.
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Just installed the HIS 512MB AGP. Just lookin' for some advice. Both PSUs I've got are old. The best (most powerful) is 480W with only 1 rail @ 28amps. This is below the recommended mimimum spec for the card (450W & 30amp). Should I invest in a new PSU? Don't really know why I'm asking 'cos I know I really should...sigh...I suppose it'll go towards next years new build...

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if your other psu is a 450w+ with 2 12vs at 22A each, youll be fine. i plan on running mine on a 550 with 3 12vs @ 18A each, which ive heard will work just fine.


so, the bigger question i have for you is:

does the card run on the 480/28A?

if so, have you been able to benchmark it yet?

and again, if so, lets so some damn numbers

did you get the card in the US? price tag?


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if your other psu is a 450w+ with 2 12vs at 22A each, youll be fine. i plan on running mine on a 550 with 3 12vs @ 18A each, which ive heard will work just fine.


so, the bigger question i have for you is:

does the card run on the 480/28A?

if so, have you been able to benchmark it yet?

and again, if so, lets so some damn numbers

did you get the card in the US? price tag?
Yeah, Dark Lord. I read maybe in this thread or another that you wanted a guinea pig to test so I'll try not to rabbit too much.

My voltages (MBM5) aren't too stable on my PSU...so I would say it runs, but not l'm not too happy. Probably impacts performance, stability and definitely not too healthy. So a new PSU it will be.

CPU (Northwood) and 875 chipset must also be a bottleneck.

But having said that, I've underclocked card to stock speeds (cos of PSU) and benchmarked 3DMark05 at 6732 which is just over double my old score. FPS at 25.8, 17.6 & 42.9 for each game test.

Probably I'll uninstall CCC 7.1 and drivers and revert to ones issued by HIS disk with new PSU and will rebenchmark later bthis week. It crashed three or four times before managing to get a benchmark and am reverting back to 9800 till PSU arrives midweek.
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imo, the best system to put this card would be a s939 system that has an x2 CPU. or if on a s478 intel machine, it would have to have an EE CPU to not be bottlnecked....that or a thourougly OCed scottie.
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CDsDon'tBurn: Someone earlier in this thread got 3DMark05 approx 9,500 with I think the Powercolor on a 939 board. Still maybe I can get closer with good PSU & reverting to older drivers. It will do for 'X3 Reunion' and other games like that very smoothly. I hope!!!

I'm still happy(ish) with what I've got already considering that on the 9800 I was only getting between 8 & 20fps approx testing on 3DMark05

Edit: BTW ATI overdrive isn't locked on this card
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lol, w/that kind of an upgrade, i'd be exctatic. my only thing is, i'm not sure if upgrading from my current x800xt pe to that card would be worth it. namely because i'm worried about my CPU bottlnecking that gfx card.
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im sure that card will be quite nice when you get a stable PSU on it. i was just looking over 3dmark scores, and you seem to be right around every one else thats clocked a P4 at those speeds.


with that said, it seems those 1950pros are very nice to A64s. im seeing OCd 32-3700+s running at the 3ghz mark and are scoreing 10k.

ive found 2 systems that are basicly identicle to mine. A64 3200+ running @ 2000 and 2010mhz. one has a 256meg card, stock speeds, hes hitting 7874. this 512 is getting 8223.

ill be very happy if my system lands someplace between those numbers.
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GSXR: Overclockers.co.uk 159.99

CDsDon'tBurn: Someone earlier in this thread got 3DMark05 approx 9,500 with I think the Powercolor on a 939 board. Still maybe I can get closer with good PSU & reverting to older drivers. It will do for 'X3 Reunion' and other games like that very smoothly. I hope!!!

I'm still happy(ish) with what I've got already considering that on the 9800 I was only getting between 8 & 20fps approx testing on 3DMark05

Edit: BTW ATI overdrive isn't locked on this card

Ummmm.....was that me? I got over 10,000 but my card is PCIe on a 939 board.

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I've been running the cards on the Warcat 6.12 drivers with the official ATI Catalyst Control Center (which you need to be able to run Crossfire), and decided to test out the crashing issue again without underclocking the cards, or pumping up the fan speeds this time. Before this I had tried the 6.9s that came with the card, and every flavour of the 6.11 drivers. This time the temps averaged around 69C for at least 30 minutes, sometimes hitting 70C, and it didn't even crash once. I don't have to tell you, but this surprised the crap outta me. The only difference this time was the version of ATI Tray Tools that is installed (the most recent beta), and that I was using a mixed driver. Go figure.

Tomorrow I'll do a bit more testing just to verify this, but damnit, this looks promising.
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Do you know a decent online UK store that has this card and ships to USA?
Sorry - I don't know if they ship to the US. I couldn't find anything on their site.
Overclockers.co.uk was the only store that I saw with this card. According to a HIS press release the 512MB is available at the end of January with the 256MB available from the 12th.

Even if overclockers do deliver to US, with the exchange rate I'd wait 'till Newegg or ZipZoomFly get it in. Otherwise it'll be between $320-$350 with delivery. Not worth it IMHO


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What do you mean by a mixed driver? Edit: Just noticed Warcat
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i just searched every store listed in DHs US and canadian retailer listing. cant find anyone carrying HIS 1950pros yet.
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i just searched every store listed in DHs US and canadian retailer listing. cant find anyone carrying HIS 1950pros yet.
My buddy at NCIX has said pretty much the same thing cozumel did: end of January for the AGP cards. Bloody expensive too running about $100 more than the PCIE 512mb version.
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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:59 PM   #149
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damn, thats pretty expensive. maybe ill just wait for the 512mg powercolors.

if your friend is right, that puts the card at almost 400.00. 279.99 for the 512mg pcie on newegg.
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Old Jan 15, 2007, 12:40 AM   #150
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I just noticed I put the wrong price for the HIS GDDR3 AGP in an earlier post. Including tax it cost me 187.99 (about $370).

The equivalent 512MB PCIe version with GDDR3 costs 132.76 ($260) and the GDDR4 retails at 234.99 ($460)

Oh boy, did HIS make some good money out of me
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