Overclocking my C2dE6300 leads to BSOD blamed on ATi drivers

Timegoblin · Oct 22, 2007, 01:25 PM

I have done a search on here but I cant find what I am looking for.

Here is my problem...

I have a Core 2 Duo E6300 cpu married up to an Asrock dualVSTA motherboard, Kingston single stick 1 gig DDR 333 ram, ATi 850XT Plat Ed PCie, SATA 160 gb samsung HD running windows XP home ed.

When I overclock the CPU (while slowing down the DDR at the same time) with the various slots set to asynch (thereby not over cooking the PCie slot) I get a BSOD with an error linked to an ATi driver. if I overclock the cpu by even a single point it does this.

I have never come accross a problem like this before, ive tried several different driver combo's (next step is to try Omega drivers I guess). If i turn all graphics accelleration off I can overclock to my hearts desire but then alas I cant play Doom3 can I?

Any help or advice appreciated.

Stu

Timegoblin · Oct 23, 2007, 12:25 PM

Ok guys, I have uninstalled the ATi drivers and toys and installed Omega drivers, I am still having the same BSOD.

The computer runs for a few minutes, windows loads up then it freezes, followed by BSOD stating that a file has gone into an infinite loop. it blames this on the file ATI2DVG what ever that means. Micro$oft claim it to be an ATi problem ( No S*&t sherlock!) but I just cant seem to nail this one down.

Any help greatly appreciated.

jp306 · Oct 23, 2007, 01:34 PM

I don't think it's a driver issue, I think it's some setting in your BIOS. You're motherboard chipset isn't one I'm familiar with though. Most people OCing e6300's use Boards with the Intel 965 chipset, because they typically can run at very high FSB speeds. Try searching some forums specific to your type of motherboard is the best advice I could give you.

Liqourice · Oct 23, 2007, 07:51 PM

I think it's the overclocking that's the main problem. Is your CPU getting to hot?

Asrock boards aren't bad boards, I've had good experiences with them. However, they have never been good for overclocking. I've never managed to squeeze out more than 10% extra on any asrock mainboard.

It works well if you don't overclock the cpu?

Timegoblin · Oct 24, 2007, 09:58 PM

It works fine with no overclocking, but I know other people have overclocked this combination with reasonable success. I should be able to reach 2.0Ghz at least- though the Asrock board does not have a huge overclock potential due to its low top FSB.

when the BSOD appears and I restart the pc with the BIOS set to standard settings I reboot windows and it tells me windows recovered from a serious problem, if I send an error report in to microsaoft it tells me this is an ATi driver problem (but neglects to tell me how to fix it) hence my asking for help here.

Thanks for the replies so far, sounds like i'm the only one to come across this issue so it maybe just a case of replacing the card with an Nvidia one. I do have an old FX5500 lying around, might try that see if that works- if it does I know its got to be an ATi issue.

jp306 · Oct 24, 2007, 10:59 PM

The only problem with testing it with the FX5500 is that it's an AGP Card. I know your board supports both AGP and PCIe, but if it's a PCIe problem, you won't be able to tell. If you want to OC, you really need a better board for OCing. I have my e6400 at 3gig with a Gigabyte 965p DS3.

PangingJr · Oct 24, 2007, 11:39 PM

seems like the issue has to do with BIOS setting for PCIe, either PCIe frequency or its supply voltage is wrong. however, i can't be so sure of this, and can't be any help as i don't have your board.
just want to let you know so you can check it out, also you might want to check your DRAM setting, and memtest them to see if there is any error as well.

Dyre Straits · Oct 25, 2007, 06:15 AM

Just to add a bit to this for consideration: I was having BSODs a while back that were also being contributed to the ATI drivers. In fact, I thought my X1950 Pro had gone bad as this was a consistent problem.

However, after much testing, I discovered that a stick of RAM had gone bad. So, PangingJr's advice to run Memtest is an excellent one. Be sure to get the latest Memtest86+ v.1.7.0.

Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

But, frankly, it does sound to me like an overclocking limitation on that particular setup configuration.

Good luck!

Liqourice · Oct 25, 2007, 08:39 PM

You might have the same motherboard and the same graphics card..... but if you check properly you might find out that you have different types of memory.. which might mean that yours are less tolerant than the others, or as Dyre said one of the mems might be faulty in a way that it only shows up in this fashion.

I know plenty of people who have had no problems whatsoever with their computers until they started playing World War II Online. In most cases the reason have been some kind of memory error that this game has been addressing and result in a crash. The internal joke has been that it's the best memory testing software avaliable... when running memtest86 at least one stick has shown errors.

Test the memory, the answer can be there. Also check the memory timings. Lots of people forget to check the memory speed and timings when they start overclocking. You might have to increase the timings a bit to make it work.

Timegoblin · Oct 25, 2007, 08:51 PM

I have tried two sticks of 512mb DDR2 667 as well as the current one stick of DDR 400 (sorry I think I said it was 333 earlier, my mistake) I have ALSO tried a single 512mb stick of DDR2 533.... still the same prob so I am ruling out RAM.

With the BIOS PCie settings being asynch the PCie settings such as voltage are not affected by the overclock- or shouldnt be at any rate, I guess I could try an old ATi 9800 I have here as well as trying the FX5500 so if the 5500 works and the 9800 doesnt it might be an ATi issue?

Thanks as always for the advice and suggestions so far. if I get anywhere you guys will be the first to know.

Liqourice · Oct 25, 2007, 08:58 PM

Just to ask. Do you have DDR 400 on a motherboard that supports DDR2?

Or is it DDR2 800 you have?

If so, have you lowered the ram speed to 667 or 533 to follow the FSB back up to 800 when you overclock? If you have the memory set to max speed and then overclock on top of that it's no wonder if you get problems.

Just to ask to make sure.

Timegoblin · Oct 25, 2007, 09:21 PM

Oooh Oooooh update! :-)

Ive been to this site-

Asrock 775 Dual-VSTA users: what's your best OC? - [H]ard|Forum

and followed the advice on the PCie settings- that is setting the PCie to 117 on this board when overclocking, and low and behold Im running it at 2.04 at the mo.

Not a HUGE overclock I know but hell- its a LOT better than it was.

time to test it maybe :-)

PangingJr · Oct 28, 2007, 11:06 AM

standard PCIe frequency is like 100MHz and its supply voltage is 1.50V, and anything above that may cause some certain PCIe devices to not working properly. but 117MHz does not seem too high.

Oct 22, 2007, 01:25 PM	#1
Timegoblin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Overclocking my C2dE6300 leads to BSOD blamed on ATi drivers I have done a search on here but I cant find what I am looking for. Here is my problem... I have a Core 2 Duo E6300 cpu married up to an Asrock dualVSTA motherboard, Kingston single stick 1 gig DDR 333 ram, ATi 850XT Plat Ed PCie, SATA 160 gb samsung HD running windows XP home ed. When I overclock the CPU (while slowing down the DDR at the same time) with the various slots set to asynch (thereby not over cooking the PCie slot) I get a BSOD with an error linked to an ATi driver. if I overclock the cpu by even a single point it does this. I have never come accross a problem like this before, ive tried several different driver combo's (next step is to try Omega drivers I guess). If i turn all graphics accelleration off I can overclock to my hearts desire but then alas I cant play Doom3 can I? Any help or advice appreciated. Stu

Oct 23, 2007, 01:34 PM	#3
jp306 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 309 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I don't think it's a driver issue, I think it's some setting in your BIOS. You're motherboard chipset isn't one I'm familiar with though. Most people OCing e6300's use Boards with the Intel 965 chipset, because they typically can run at very high FSB speeds. Try searching some forums specific to your type of motherboard is the best advice I could give you. __________________ "I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet." Rodney Dangerfield.

Oct 24, 2007, 09:58 PM	Thread Starter #5
Timegoblin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	It works fine with no overclocking, but I know other people have overclocked this combination with reasonable success. I should be able to reach 2.0Ghz at least- though the Asrock board does not have a huge overclock potential due to its low top FSB. when the BSOD appears and I restart the pc with the BIOS set to standard settings I reboot windows and it tells me windows recovered from a serious problem, if I send an error report in to microsaoft it tells me this is an ATi driver problem (but neglects to tell me how to fix it) hence my asking for help here. Thanks for the replies so far, sounds like i'm the only one to come across this issue so it maybe just a case of replacing the card with an Nvidia one. I do have an old FX5500 lying around, might try that see if that works- if it does I know its got to be an ATi issue. __________________ Sky- C2DE6300 cpu with stock cooler, Asrock dual VSTA motherboard, Kingston single stick 1 gig DDR 333, Samsung 160gb SATA drive, ATi X850XT Plat Ed graphics, Hipper 450w PSU, LG DVD RW, Zip 100 drive, one 120 cooling fan in the really really old and very big beige server case. What can I say? its quiet, big and plays Doom3.

Oct 24, 2007, 10:59 PM	#6
jp306 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 309 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	The only problem with testing it with the FX5500 is that it's an AGP Card. I know your board supports both AGP and PCIe, but if it's a PCIe problem, you won't be able to tell. If you want to OC, you really need a better board for OCing. I have my e6400 at 3gig with a Gigabyte 965p DS3. __________________ "I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet." Rodney Dangerfield.

Oct 25, 2007, 08:51 PM	Thread Starter #10
Timegoblin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	I have tried two sticks of 512mb DDR2 667 as well as the current one stick of DDR 400 (sorry I think I said it was 333 earlier, my mistake) I have ALSO tried a single 512mb stick of DDR2 533.... still the same prob so I am ruling out RAM. With the BIOS PCie settings being asynch the PCie settings such as voltage are not affected by the overclock- or shouldnt be at any rate, I guess I could try an old ATi 9800 I have here as well as trying the FX5500 so if the 5500 works and the 9800 doesnt it might be an ATi issue? Thanks as always for the advice and suggestions so far. if I get anywhere you guys will be the first to know. __________________ Sky- C2DE6300 cpu with stock cooler, Asrock dual VSTA motherboard, Kingston single stick 1 gig DDR 333, Samsung 160gb SATA drive, ATi X850XT Plat Ed graphics, Hipper 450w PSU, LG DVD RW, Zip 100 drive, one 120 cooling fan in the really really old and very big beige server case. What can I say? its quiet, big and plays Doom3.

Oct 23, 2007, 12:25 PM	Thread Starter #2
Timegoblin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Ok guys, I have uninstalled the ATi drivers and toys and installed Omega drivers, I am still having the same BSOD. The computer runs for a few minutes, windows loads up then it freezes, followed by BSOD stating that a file has gone into an infinite loop. it blames this on the file ATI2DVG what ever that means. Micro$oft claim it to be an ATi problem ( No S*&t sherlock!) but I just cant seem to nail this one down. Any help greatly appreciated.

Oct 23, 2007, 07:51 PM	#4
Liqourice HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,690 Rep Power: 98 System Specs	I think it's the overclocking that's the main problem. Is your CPU getting to hot? Asrock boards aren't bad boards, I've had good experiences with them. However, they have never been good for overclocking. I've never managed to squeeze out more than 10% extra on any asrock mainboard. It works well if you don't overclock the cpu?

Oct 24, 2007, 11:39 PM	#7
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	seems like the issue has to do with BIOS setting for PCIe, either PCIe frequency or its supply voltage is wrong. however, i can't be so sure of this, and can't be any help as i don't have your board. just want to let you know so you can check it out, also you might want to check your DRAM setting, and memtest them to see if there is any error as well.

Oct 25, 2007, 08:39 PM	#9
Liqourice HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,690 Rep Power: 98 System Specs	You might have the same motherboard and the same graphics card..... but if you check properly you might find out that you have different types of memory.. which might mean that yours are less tolerant than the others, or as Dyre said one of the mems might be faulty in a way that it only shows up in this fashion. I know plenty of people who have had no problems whatsoever with their computers until they started playing World War II Online. In most cases the reason have been some kind of memory error that this game has been addressing and result in a crash. The internal joke has been that it's the best memory testing software avaliable... when running memtest86 at least one stick has shown errors. Test the memory, the answer can be there. Also check the memory timings. Lots of people forget to check the memory speed and timings when they start overclocking. You might have to increase the timings a bit to make it work.

Oct 25, 2007, 08:58 PM	#11
Liqourice HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,690 Rep Power: 98 System Specs	Just to ask. Do you have DDR 400 on a motherboard that supports DDR2? Or is it DDR2 800 you have? If so, have you lowered the ram speed to 667 or 533 to follow the FSB back up to 800 when you overclock? If you have the memory set to max speed and then overclock on top of that it's no wonder if you get problems. Just to ask to make sure.

Oct 25, 2007, 09:21 PM	Thread Starter #12
Timegoblin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Oooh Oooooh update! :-) Ive been to this site- Asrock 775 Dual-VSTA users: what's your best OC? - [H]ard\|Forum and followed the advice on the PCie settings- that is setting the PCie to 117 on this board when overclocking, and low and behold Im running it at 2.04 at the mo. Not a HUGE overclock I know but hell- its a LOT better than it was. time to test it maybe :-) __________________ Sky- C2DE6300 cpu with stock cooler, Asrock dual VSTA motherboard, Kingston single stick 1 gig DDR 333, Samsung 160gb SATA drive, ATi X850XT Plat Ed graphics, Hipper 450w PSU, LG DVD RW, Zip 100 drive, one 120 cooling fan in the really really old and very big beige server case. What can I say? its quiet, big and plays Doom3.

Oct 28, 2007, 11:06 AM	#13
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	standard PCIe frequency is like 100MHz and its supply voltage is 1.50V, and anything above that may cause some certain PCIe devices to not working properly. but 117MHz does not seem too high.