ATI x1650 (AGP problems!!)

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

well when you found it you now might want to test can you manually install the omega driver.

Well it says

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Select the manufacturer and model of your hardware device and then click Next. If you have a disk that contains the driver you want to install, click Have Disk

I have to select what card driver I want to install and NONE of them match a x1650, yet that other guy has 6.5 drivers installed for his x1650.
The only ones coming near a x1650 is a Radeon x1600 Series.

I am wondering how he did it since he is getting the most performance for his card using the 6.5 drivers.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/ati-grap...-x1650pro.html

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 08:29 PM

I also found this

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[COLOR=#c50000]I installed the drivers, but now my screen is slow and choppy, not even my games work, what I did wrong?[/COLOR]
You did nothing wrong, is just that one of two things happened after installation:

1. The SmartGart service did not initialize.
2. SmartGart disabled AGP support because it found a problem.

For case 1, make sure the "SmartGart" service is enabled and set to Automatic, also try starting the service manually, then restart your PC.

For case 2, make sure you have the latest motherboard AGP chipset drivers installed; they can usually be found at the motherboard’s manufacturer page or you can get them directly from the chipset supplier, like Intel, VIA, NVIDIA, etc.

Whenever I click ON smartgart it says this

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The drive or network connection that the shortcut 'SmartGart.lnk' refers to is unavailable. Make sure that the disk is properly inserted or the network resource is available, and then try again.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 08:33 PM

When it says this : "Select the manufacturer and model of your hardware device and then click Next. If you have a disk that contains the driver you want to install, click Have Disk" you don't need to select it you click the button "have disk" and then browse the driver folder where the proper .inf file is.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temeteus82

When it says this : "Select the manufacturer and model of your hardware device and then click Next. If you have a disk that contains the driver you want to install, click Have Disk" you don't need to select it you click the button "have disk" and then browse the driver folder where the proper .inf file is.

Yes but I still have to choose a specific driver to install, and there is no x1650 with the 6.5 drivers. If I don't choose a specific driver, it just installs --> ABIT Radeon 9600XT-VIO - Secondary.

Like I've asked in all my previous posts, how did that other guy get the 6.5 drivers to work for a x1650 card when there isn't even that card on the list? (no 1650 at all)

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Misc

Like I've asked in all my previous posts, how did that other guy get the 6.5 drivers to work for a x1650 card when there isn't even that card on the list? (no 1650 at all)

He has the X1650 Pro card. And in the Omegas .inf files there was Radeon X1650 series ID's that might worked for him. Well that is my educated guess anyway...

And I found some drivers from HIS site modified for X1650 series : http://download.hightech.com.hk/driv...41240C-ATI.zip

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temeteus82

He has the X1650 Pro card. And in the Omegas .inf files there was Radeon X1650 series ID's that might worked for him. Well that is my educated guess anyway...

And I found some drivers from HIS site modified for X1650 series : http://download.hightech.com.hk/driv...41240C-ATI.zip

How do I check if there is a X1650 series ID that will work for me? It really shouldn't matter if its a PRO or not, atleast according to pretty much every post I've read.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 09:31 PM

well the device ID is rather simple thing to find. All you need is to run dxdiag and click the save all information button and save the file to desktop and open it. it should look like this :

Code:

Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7280&SUBSYS_E190174B&REV_00

[EDIT] the important part is the VEN and DEV parts.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temeteus82

well the device ID is rather simple thing to find. All you need is to run dxdiag and click the save all information button and save the file to desktop and open it. it should look like this :

Code:

Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7280&SUBSYS_E190174B&REV_00

[EDIT] the important part is the VEN and DEV parts.

Mine is Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7293&SUBSYS_210317AF&REV_9A

Now what I am supposed to do with this?

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 10:55 PM

now the .inf file should have the VEN_1002&DEV_7293 so it means that the driver should install and you should not get huge list what driver to install when you click the have dis button and browse to the folder where the .inf file is...

[EDIT] at least it is in CAT 8.1 for Vista so it should be in CAT 8.1 for XP if you decide to use them

cmusic52 · Mar 26, 2008, 03:10 AM

I bought a Gecube x1650pro Agp 512mb myself and the only drivers I could get to work with a game, my test game was Call of Duty 4 was the official 7.8 Catalyst drivers but then my selection for resolutions was very limited, I tried several different Omega, NGO drivers and several different drivers from ATI and they would all crash the second I got into a game, and they had all worked fine on my old 6600GT AGP card From what I understand there is a AGP bug that ATI has in the more recent drivers that makes it crash and there hasn't been a fix for it yet.

Quamzin · Mar 28, 2008, 10:32 AM

I bought a Sapphire x1650 Pro AGP too, foolishly. And after a lot of trial and error, I decided to make an account here and offer up my experiences, to see if it helps.

So I've spent the past three days trying to squeeze decent numbers out of this card. The 8.3 hotfix drivers fully work, but have the worst performance, with frame rates that bottom out horribly in large areas. The earliest driver set that naturally recognizes the card during install probably 6.10. Latest Omega drivers give the same performance as the the official ATI drivers from the 7.x line. The 6.11s are a little better. But the best for AGP are, as others have said, somewhere between 6.5 and 6.9.

I tried editing INFs to get these versions to install directly, but the problem is that there are a lot of places to edit. When you put RV535 and the IDs into the infs, there's at least 7 places you need to make changes, and even then, this only allows you to install directly from the infs, bypassing the setup program.

And, if you edit INFs, you really can't get smartgart to initialize. Whether this is a big loss is debatable.

So after all my testing, I managed to find a good hybrid for WinXP. The 6.8 driver files have a playable framerate with the least bugs, but won't install naturally. So rather than edit the INFs, get a copy of Catalyst 6.11 and 6.8. driver only. Decompress them, but then cancel the install. Copy the contents of the "B_35255" directory from the 6.8 driver install to the "B_37411" directory of the 6.11 install, and overwrite (note: the 6.11 install has a few extra files). Then, wipe out your current drivers back to VGA, then run the 6.11 setup.exe and go through the natural driver install process.

After a couple reboots, you should get full functionality. All the info in your device manager will say you are using 6.11, but if you check the files in System32, it's really the 6.8 stuff.

With this, I was able to keep TF2 above 10fps at 1280x800 with low/medium settings, and the average FPS was 22. A big change from the 14 average I had before, and now it rarely dips into the single digits.

And, well, I did bump up the ram/core with ATT about 50MHz each, which added a couple FPS (and a couple degrees, but the Zalman cooler is handling it).

Really, though, the biggest problem now is my old CPU. I suspect that someone with a better processor than my old Athlon XP 2400 would get better results this way. Though I'm still thinking of returning it for a 7600GS...

diz_guy · Aug 29, 2008, 02:33 AM

truly sorry to bring up an old topic but hi again. yes i do remember using the 6.5 drivers from somewhere (i think n2o drivers, Äðàéâåðû | Radeon.Ru, if you scroll down and see the n2o driver pack) however that did not solve my problem, it came back later. this was do to the fact that the video card fan was not spinning at full speed and the core was running at, at least 75-80C. i would still suggest getting an early version driver(the one i'm using right now is catalyst 7.10 from ati website), but get riva tuner or something and change the fan speed to 100%. Card still runs fine even though it's running at 50-65C idle/load.

hope this helps someone
oh and i tried overclocking on this card --- pointless,and i hope nvidia comes out with more agp cards, honestly

Mar 26, 2008, 03:10 AM	#40
cmusic52 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I bought a Gecube x1650pro Agp 512mb myself and the only drivers I could get to work with a game, my test game was Call of Duty 4 was the official 7.8 Catalyst drivers but then my selection for resolutions was very limited, I tried several different Omega, NGO drivers and several different drivers from ATI and they would all crash the second I got into a game, and they had all worked fine on my old 6600GT AGP card From what I understand there is a AGP bug that ATI has in the more recent drivers that makes it crash and there hasn't been a fix for it yet.

Mar 28, 2008, 10:32 AM	#41
Quamzin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I bought a Sapphire x1650 Pro AGP too, foolishly. And after a lot of trial and error, I decided to make an account here and offer up my experiences, to see if it helps. So I've spent the past three days trying to squeeze decent numbers out of this card. The 8.3 hotfix drivers fully work, but have the worst performance, with frame rates that bottom out horribly in large areas. The earliest driver set that naturally recognizes the card during install probably 6.10. Latest Omega drivers give the same performance as the the official ATI drivers from the 7.x line. The 6.11s are a little better. But the best for AGP are, as others have said, somewhere between 6.5 and 6.9. I tried editing INFs to get these versions to install directly, but the problem is that there are a lot of places to edit. When you put RV535 and the IDs into the infs, there's at least 7 places you need to make changes, and even then, this only allows you to install directly from the infs, bypassing the setup program. And, if you edit INFs, you really can't get smartgart to initialize. Whether this is a big loss is debatable. So after all my testing, I managed to find a good hybrid for WinXP. The 6.8 driver files have a playable framerate with the least bugs, but won't install naturally. So rather than edit the INFs, get a copy of Catalyst 6.11 and 6.8. driver only. Decompress them, but then cancel the install. Copy the contents of the "B_35255" directory from the 6.8 driver install to the "B_37411" directory of the 6.11 install, and overwrite (note: the 6.11 install has a few extra files). Then, wipe out your current drivers back to VGA, then run the 6.11 setup.exe and go through the natural driver install process. After a couple reboots, you should get full functionality. All the info in your device manager will say you are using 6.11, but if you check the files in System32, it's really the 6.8 stuff. With this, I was able to keep TF2 above 10fps at 1280x800 with low/medium settings, and the average FPS was 22. A big change from the 14 average I had before, and now it rarely dips into the single digits. And, well, I did bump up the ram/core with ATT about 50MHz each, which added a couple FPS (and a couple degrees, but the Zalman cooler is handling it). Really, though, the biggest problem now is my old CPU. I suspect that someone with a better processor than my old Athlon XP 2400 would get better results this way. Though I'm still thinking of returning it for a 7600GS...

Aug 29, 2008, 02:33 AM	#42
diz_guy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	truly sorry to bring up an old topic but hi again. yes i do remember using the 6.5 drivers from somewhere (i think n2o drivers, Äðàéâåðû \| Radeon.Ru, if you scroll down and see the n2o driver pack) however that did not solve my problem, it came back later. this was do to the fact that the video card fan was not spinning at full speed and the core was running at, at least 75-80C. i would still suggest getting an early version driver(the one i'm using right now is catalyst 7.10 from ati website), but get riva tuner or something and change the fan speed to 100%. Card still runs fine even though it's running at 50-65C idle/load. hope this helps someone oh and i tried overclocking on this card --- pointless,and i hope nvidia comes out with more agp cards, honestly