ATI x1650 (AGP problems!!)

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 08:13 AM

I posted here, but I figured now since its a graphics card problem that the post should belong in here. http://www.hardwareheaven.com/hardware...ml#post1122396

Anyway, to sum it up. I am getting the same problems that this guy is getting --> http://www.hardwareheaven.com/ati-grap...-x1650pro.html

These are my computer spec's (not great but meh)

Cpu is a AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (2.1GHz)
Ram - 1.5gigs
Motherboard specs - http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...426594&lang=en
500W PSU

I originally had a Nvidia Geforce 6200 and I upgraded to this Newegg.com - HIS Hightech H165GTQT512GDDAN-R Radeon X1650GT 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 AGP 8X IceQ Turbo Video Card - Retail .
It's a pretty huge upgrade, yet my FPS did NOT increase WHATSOEVER. The main game that I play is Counter Strike Source, not a very graphics demanding game. I used to get anywhere from 5-30 fps on CSS CAL maps with my 6200, and now with this new card installed I get the SAME FPS.

I tried the ATI drivers with the ATI hotfix, that didn't help either. So I installed the omega drivers and my FPS still has not increased at all.

I found this thread
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/ati-grap...-x1650pro.html

and I quote

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Have you tried manually updating the drivers from the Device Manager?

How exactly am I supposed to do this? When you are going to install a new driver aren't you supposed to delete all your old drivers?

I deleted all my ATI drivers and I was going to revert to the 6.5 version like he did, but I get these errors.

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INF - Video Driver not found

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Setup was unable to complete the installation. Try to setup your display adapter with a standard VGA driver before running setup.

Anyway back to my original question on how you are supposed to manually update... since you are supposed to delete everything, when i go into my device manager, I don't have any Display drivers because of course, everyone says to delete them!!

It doesn't make any sense

Dyre Straits · Feb 2, 2008, 09:38 AM

First of all, there is NO REAL NEED to delete previous ATI drivers in order to do an update of the video drivers. I know there are some people who will say differently, BUT, I've owned so many ATI cards over the last dozen and a half years I think I can say I know what I'm talking about. Even the ATI gurus say it's not necessary! AND, in fact, Omegadriver specifically states it's not necessary when installing HIS tweaked drivers. The only REAL necessity is to make sure when installing the drivers that you answer YES if you get a prompt to OVERWRITE any file.

The ATI drivers are made so that they will automatically UPDATE any of the files previously installed and are OLDER than the files being installed.

So, if you've already uninstalled everything, simply remove the Video card from the Device Manager, restart Windows and let Windows redetect the card and install the native drivers for it. If prompted to reboot, do so. Then, after rebooting, simply install the drivers of your choice and follow the prompts to the next reboot.

Good luck!

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Misc

It's a pretty huge upgrade, yet my FPS did NOT increase WHATSOEVER. The main game that I play is Counter Strike Source, not a very graphics demanding game. I used to get anywhere from 5-30 fps on CSS CAL maps with my 6200, and now with this new card installed I get the SAME FPS.

Hi there!

I think that the issue in here might be your CPU and it's speed. It just can't feed enough data the GPU so that you would get higher fps on games.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

First of all, there is NO REAL NEED to delete previous ATI drivers in order to do an update of the video drivers. I know there are some people who will say differently, BUT, I've owned so many ATI cards over the last dozen and a half years I think I can say I know what I'm talking about. Even the ATI gurus say it's not necessary! AND, in fact, Omegadriver specifically states it's not necessary when installing HIS tweaked drivers. The only REAL necessity is to make sure when installing the drivers that you answer YES if you get a prompt to OVERWRITE any file.

The ATI drivers are made so that they will automatically UPDATE any of the files previously installed and are OLDER than the files being installed.

So, if you've already uninstalled everything, simply remove the Video card from the Device Manager, restart Windows and let Windows redetect the card and install the native drivers for it. If prompted to reboot, do so. Then, after rebooting, simply install the drivers of your choice and follow the prompts to the next reboot.

Good luck!

I still cannot update the drivers. I have the drivers from the disc installed but everytime I try to install an older driver, I get that INF error.

My computer is just as bad as that other guys that I linked to, yet his FPS destroys mine. I read in some other people's threads that "manually" installing these older drivers fixed the install errors. How exactly do I do that?

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 04:33 PM

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Yes, you can do a manual driver installation by going into Device Manager, highlight/select the graphics card, choose to Update the driver and then do not let it automatically install drivers. Rather, manually browse to where the 6.11s and/or 6.5s are extracted and choose that driver to install.

Good luck!

Nevermind I found out how to manually install... but it does not allow me to choose the drivers I want to install.

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Are you using XP or Vista? And, with either one, 32 or 64 bit?

I'm using XP. I have windows service pack 2 installed.

and I cannot do a complete reboot of windows and whatnot, my computer is like 4-5 years old and I have moved dozens of times within that time frame. All the original stuff that came with the computer are long gone.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 04:40 PM

To manually update the drivers click My Computer with 2nd mouse button and select manage. There goto device manager where you should see your graphics adapter as unknown device or standard VGA device. Open the device properties. Goto driver tab and click update driver. Don't let windows to search for driver. Select it manually. Then you get a list of the drivers that are installed don't select any of those. Click have a disk. Browse to the folder where the drivers .inf files are. That is usually in (C:\ATI\SUPPORT\*driver version*\Driver\Packages\Drivers\Display\) folder. Then select the driver and finish the installation and reboot.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

To manually update the drivers click My Computer with 2nd mouse button and select manage. There goto device manager where you should see your graphics adapter as unknown device or standard VGA device. Open the device properties. Goto driver tab and click update driver. Don't let windows to search for driver. Select it manually. Then you get a list of the drivers that are installed don't select any of those. Click have a disk. Browse to the folder where the drivers .inf files are. That is usually in (C:\ATI\SUPPORT\*driver version*\Driver\Packages\Drivers\Display\) folder. Then select the driver and finish the installation and reboot.

It doesn't allow me to select the drivers.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Misc

It doesn't allow me to select the drivers.

Sounds like you aren't logged in with account that has administrator rights.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Sounds like you aren't logged in with account that has administrator rights.

There's only 1 account to log into, Owner.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Misc

There's only 1 account to log into, Owner.

Hmm... Then it should have administrator rights....

btw. what official AMD drivers you currently have downloaded on your computer?

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Hmm... Then it should have administrator rights....

btw. what official AMD drivers you currently have downloaded on your computer?

Where would I check this?

I looked under my Processor on the Device manager, looked at Driver details and it says the Driver date is 4/1/2004. Is that an old version?

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Misc

Where would I check this?

If you had any official AMD/ATI drivers installed or tried to install there should be folder in C:\ named ATI in that folder is sub folder that has the driver version on it's name.

Anyway you should give a try to the newest Catalyst drivers

[EDIT] Get them here : Drivers & Software

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

If you had any official AMD/ATI drivers installed or tried to install there should be folder in C:\ named ATI in that folder is sub folder that has the driver version on it's name.

Anyway you should give a try to the newest Catalyst drivers

[EDIT] Get them here : Drivers & Software

I tried the newest catalyst drivers along with the update, my fps was still anywhere from 5-30 depending on the map. I want to use an older version because I've read from a bunch of other x1650 users that their FPS was greatly increased when they used an old version. Like in my original link, that guy updated his to a 6.5 and his FPS was 80-100 in CSS.

And under the ATI/support folder there are 2 folders...
6-5_xp-2k_dd_ccc_wdm_enu_32464
6-10_xp-2k_dd_ccc_wdm_enu_36790

edit: just a question as well... Why is Nvidia 99x easier to install and 99x more user friendly then ATI?

!!

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 05:33 PM

Ok, those are some old drivers indeed. BTW did the guy have CPU that is better than yours? Since I think that your CPU is the bottleneck that prevents you to get higher fps.

for your question about the way drivers are installed the basic way that drivers are installed in Windows is the same for all drivers some companies have different installing interfaces for the end user. AMD is doing it their own way.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Ok, those are some old drivers indeed. BTW did the guy have CPU that is better than yours? Since I think that your CPU is the bottleneck that prevents you to get higher fps.

for your question about the way drivers are installed the basic way that drivers are installed in Windows is the same for all drivers some companies have different installing interfaces for the end user. AMD is doing it their own way.

These are his spec's

SPECS:
400w power supply
DFI Lanparty NFII chipset
ATi Sapphire 512mb x1650PRO
VIA Raid CARD
3 HDD's (2 are currently in a raid 0)
some old creative soundblaster card
1 DVD Burner
1 CD Burner
4 FANS (2 intakes, 1 side exhaust, 1 back exhaust)
AMD Sempron 2300+ overclocked to 2.2GHz on a Thermaltake Volcano 7+ fan/heatsink

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 05:48 PM

Hmm... ok if that system get that kind of fps increase then you should be around the same.

Have you tested Omega's drivers?? The older 3.8.330 (Catalyst 7.1) driver sounds like it could work for you. You can get it here : http://www.driverheavendownloads.net/omegadrive.htm

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Hmm... ok if that system get that kind of fps increase then you should be around the same.

Have you tested Omega's drivers?? The older 3.8.330 (Catalyst 7.1) driver sounds like it could work for you. You can get it here : http://www.driverheavendownloads.net/omegadrive.htm

Now my computer is not registering any drivers I install. I've tried to install Omega (catalyst 6.5) and omega (catalyst 7.1), it gets to the "Are you ready to install the drivers now?" I click yes, it takes about 5 seconds, then it says it is done. I then restart windows and when it boots back up it says there is no drivers installed.

grrrrr

[EDIT] Also, when I try to manually install drivers, the "Files of type" are *.inf files and the driver files are .exe files. I cannot switch it to look for .exe files either.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 06:55 PM

can you take screen shots of your device manager so that I could see what Display adapter drivers it has installed.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

can you take screen shots of your device manager so that I could see what Display adapter drivers it has installed.

Since I am supposed to un-install all ATI stuff when installing omega drivers, this is what it looks like right now. Show hidden devices is on.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/Misc363/DM.jpg

I tried re-installing the driver via Device manager, it just re-installed the driver that came with the CD. Which makes the card no different then my nvidia 6200. Right now I am sitting here with no drivers installed and whenever I try to install either the omega 6.5 or omega 7.1 the drivers supposedly install, then when I re-boot the computer they don't exist.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 07:32 PM

for the manual install you have used that Video Controller (VGA Compatible) device?

And remember that you don't want to let windows to search the driver. And then it should show list of installed drives and there should be button labeled as "Have disk..." then you browse the folder where the driver that you want to install is.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

for the manual install you have used that Video Controller (VGA Compatible) device?

And remember that you don't want to let windows to search the driver. And then it should show list of installed drives and there should be button labeled as "Have disk..." then you browse the folder where the driver that you want to install is.

That doesn't work. Whenever I browse for a file it will only show *.inf files and driver files are .exe .

It won't let me manually install... I am so confused

When I click on properties for the 6.5 and 7.1 file and I go under version --> original file name..... it says this for both files suf70_launch.exe

How can I switch it to an *.inf file ?

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Misc

That doesn't work. Whenever I browse for a file it will only show *.inf files and driver files are .exe .

It won't let me manually install... I am so confused

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

An INF file (or Setup Information file) is a plain text file used by Microsoft Windows for installation of software/hardware. INF files are most commonly used for installing device drivers for hardware components. Windows includes IExpress.exe for the creation of INF-based installations

INF file - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It will work when you select the folder where the correct .inf file is since it has all the information that the installation needs to install the drivers for you...

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

INF file - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It will work when you select the folder where the correct .inf file is since it has all the information that the installation needs to install the drivers for you...

Well no omega file comes with an *.inf file... it only comes with the .exe

Sorry, I know its like talking to a wall when you are trying to help me. I appreciate you taking the time you help me though

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 07:59 PM

I got a new question.

I found the *.inf file for the 6.5 drivers, but when I looked on the compatability list, there is no 1650 series.

Does it not matter what it says? The other guy who I linked to in my original post has the same card as me, except its a PRO, and he uses the 6.5 drivers.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Misc

Well no omega file comes with an *.inf file... it only comes with the .exe

yes and the .exe file has the .inf files inside it

now if you look the ATI folders deeper you will find that there is few .inf files in the sub folders...

Here's where I have them:

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 08:12 PM

Since my card is a Hightech Radeon x1650 GT, it is not on that list for the 6.5 drivers, neither for the 7.1 drivers.

What driver should I load that would be compatible with my card?

The highest driver on the list for the 7.1 drivers is a x1550, do I need to go to a higher driver? then I go back to another question, how did this guy ( http://www.hardwareheaven.com/ati-grap...-x1650pro.html ) get 6.5 catalyst driver to work on a x1650 card?

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 08:34 PM

Well now I see he is using the omega catalyst 6.5 drivers... I downloaded the omega 6.5 drivers from your link you gave earlier. Where is the omega *.inf file located? The only *.inf files I have are the actual ATI ones, not omega.

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Misc

Since my card is a Hightech Radeon x1650 GT, it is not on that list for the 6.5 drivers, neither for the 7.1 drivers.

What driver should I load that would be compatible with my card?

I got card from Sapphire and I use official AMD driver it doesn't matter what company made the card. Since the device id of the chip is in the drivers .inf file

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Originally Posted by Misc

Well now I see he is using the omega catalyst 6.5 drivers... I downloaded the omega 6.5 drivers from your link you gave earlier. Where is the omega *.inf file located? The only *.inf files I have are the actual ATI ones, not omega.

in omega drivers the .inf files are in the self extracting .exe file. If memory serves me right it extracts them to folder named Omega in Program Files folder.

Misc · Feb 2, 2008, 08:44 PM

Ya I found the omega driver *inf file.

The closest to a x1650 driver in the Omega 6.5 catalyst folder is a "Radeon x1600 Series (Omega 3.8.252)

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when i clicked on the .inf file in the omega program files folder, i got a huge list of video cards, i noticed that i went down to the bottom and i noticed radeon x1650 series and secondary, but then i went down further and i noticed they also had sapphire brands. the sapphires had the x1600pro but did i did not see my sapphire x1650pro in the list. should i try the x1650 series even though my card is a pro?

That is NOT in the omega 6.5 *.inf file... how did he get that?

The closest driver in the 6.10 folder is Radeon x1650 GTO (Omega 3.8.330)
^ should I just use that?

**temeteus82** · Feb 2, 2008, 08:51 PM

well when you found it you now might want to test can you manually install the omega driver.

Feb 2, 2008, 08:12 PM	Thread Starter #26
Misc DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Since my card is a Hightech Radeon x1650 GT, it is not on that list for the 6.5 drivers, neither for the 7.1 drivers. What driver should I load that would be compatible with my card? The highest driver on the list for the 7.1 drivers is a x1550, do I need to go to a higher driver? then I go back to another question, how did this guy ( http://www.hardwareheaven.com/ati-grap...-x1650pro.html ) get 6.5 catalyst driver to work on a x1650 card? Last edited by Misc; Feb 2, 2008 at 08:24 PM.

Feb 2, 2008, 07:59 PM	Thread Starter #24
Misc DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	I got a new question. I found the *.inf file for the 6.5 drivers, but when I looked on the compatability list, there is no 1650 series. Does it not matter what it says? The other guy who I linked to in my original post has the same card as me, except its a PRO, and he uses the 6.5 drivers.

Feb 2, 2008, 08:34 PM	Thread Starter #27
Misc DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Well now I see he is using the omega catalyst 6.5 drivers... I downloaded the omega 6.5 drivers from your link you gave earlier. Where is the omega .inf file located? The only .inf files I have are the actual ATI ones, not omega.