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Old Aug 4, 2008, 02:59 PM   #1
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Visiontek ATI 4870 Owners =)

I got this card about 2 weeks ago now.

Got a few questions for you fellow 4870 Lovers out there.

Does anyone else own this brand and this card?

What are your overclocking successes or failures with it?

Have you flashed a new bios to it at all?

Finally, what fan speed did you set yours to, and can you overclock it more at that fan speed or does the fan speed not affect your overclock ability?
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Old Aug 12, 2008, 09:29 PM   #2
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Not going to be a Visiontek, but I should be getting my 4870 in a couple of days. I don't intend to flash the BIOS, but I will definitely be raising the fan speed in Catalyst, not sure what to yet, that'll have to be some experimentation.
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All the top guys except ASUS run the same bios.I flashed my Sapphire to the ASUS TOP bios and had no problems,I achieved a 860 and 1100mhz over clock on the Top bios.I have just got my Palit 4870 and it uses the same stock bios as the Sapphire,I have not tried the Top bios on my Palit.Go here for BIOS info and setup for 4870`s ,Also try out the GPU-Z program to monitor the card.

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GPU-Z download GPU-Z Video card GPU Information Utility

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As for fan speeds at idle i Liked 45% fan speed(single card) But with two in I have to set my Sapphire at 10% more then the Palit.
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Out of curiosity is the Sapphire your second card? (the lower slot on the mobo) - when I ran CF with 3870s I had trouble keeping the second card cool, but then again I did have an internal ventilation cooler on the top card, and a better one than the stock cooler at that.
45% fan speed - did that work out for you at load or did you have to go higher?
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No she is the first top blue slot,The heat from the Palit rises and there is about 5-6 degrees between them.Also the Palit get`s the bottom fan in my Cosmos also .I could do it 45% fan with the Sap but I like the 60% for single card ,Right now with the 2 of them Sap is 85% and the Palit is at 80% for gaming,Will adjust it for movies 45%-50% so the fans don`t drown out the Blu Ray.
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That's interesting. I'm now using a bottom fan in my case as well, but the mount point for it vibrates quite a lot so it spins very slowly to avoid generating noise.
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Tested my HD4870 out, and it's every bit as good as I could have hoped for, better in some cases. Yes, the 3dmark score is poor, but that means nothing.
I'm getting relatively playable frame rates in Crysis all High at 2560x1600, I'm maxing out FEAR:Perseus Mandate and averaging over 100fps in normal gameplay with 4xAA, 16xAF, Soft shadows, the works.

Counter Strike needless to say, averages around 120fps, all maxed out with 4xAA in a busy server.
Team Fortress 2 averages around 50fps in GoldRush in a busy server, maxed out with 4xAA.
Age of Conan runs OKish at around 20fps maxed out with 4xAA, but no Bloom applied. Same settings earns me around 30fps average at 1920x1200, which is perfectly playable.
Supreme Commander:Forged Alliance, once unplayable at almost any resolution on my HD3870, is now maxable with 4xAA at an average of around 16 in a busy base, which is alright (this is RTS after all).
Yet to try GRiD which will be a teller as according to the tech report, 4xAA at 2560 will slow the 4870 to a crawl like it would in Crysis. We shall see.
Fan is dead silent at idle, spins up a lot more than I was expecting at load, is noticeable but not intrusive, and keeps the card around the 80C mark, which is all fine, was expecting higher. PowerPlay works great even on an engineering sample, and the microstuttering is gone! It even supports Return to Castle Wolfenstein again which didn't work on my 3870...
Last thing to check is to see if the DirectDraw alt-tab bug from my 3870 is still present. If it is, I'd give this card a solid 9.5/10 anyway, a full ten if it isn't, it's exceeded my expectations in spectacular style - GTX200 series style performance, X1900 reliability, trademark ATI image quality.

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So does the bios work on any manufacturer as long as its the same hardware? I've never flashed a video card bios, can it be done in windows? I've done PC bioses plenty of times. As far as I can tell you can pretty much clock up the core, its the memory that can be finicky on the cards.

What is the direct draw alt tab bug, you mean the black screen in windows when you tab out?
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So does the bios work on any manufacturer as long as its the same hardware? I've never flashed a video card bios, can it be done in windows? I've done PC bioses plenty of times. As far as I can tell you can pretty much clock up the core, its the memory that can be finicky on the cards.

What is the direct draw alt tab bug, you mean the black screen in windows when you tab out?
As long as your card has the same type memory you should have no problems. I havent tried flashing a HD 4870 yet but have flashed every other ATI series from 9000 to HD 3800's.
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When I alt-tab a directdraw game, Warcraft 3 and Locomotion are the only two I regularly encounter, I get to windows fine. If I alt-tab to the game, a critical error specific to the game comes up and it closes. If I try to open either game again it will say 'failed to initialise DirectX' - this also has the effect that the Printscreen function is disabled 'error getting clipboard data', and that a change in screen resolution or colour settings requires a restart before it will take effect - even the 'you need to restart your computer - restart now?' dialog box appears.
So far none of that with the 4870.
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So are you able to flash within windows, or do you have to do it from DOS?
I've been flashing from windows with Winflash, I just find booting to DOS as archaic as all hell. Not to mention I dont have a floppy so I burn a CD, I've been curious if you can boot off a flash drive to do it.
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No idea, I've not looked into it I'm afraid.
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Yea. I guess I am not "enthusiast" enough to actually risk a 300$ graphics card. lol
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Nor me... haha
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help please!
in a few days i am going to perches a 4870x2. dos the brand matters? which one is better?
is thare an alternative air colling?

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All the brands will be the reference design at the moment, and if it's like the HD3870X2 it will remain that way. To my knowledge there has never been an alternative cooler for the 3870X2, and probably won't be for the 4870X2 either, 250W is too great an amount of heat to put through an air cooler. Even the 8800GTX and HD2900XT were difficult to cool on air, and they used less than 200W. Remember, 250W is as much as a pair of extreme edition Quad core CPUs.
I expect your only option realistically is either to live with the stock cooler or use watercooling - Waterblocks for the card are either out or will be very shortly.
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Thank's!
i will live it with the stock cooling. i can't aford a water cooling (and too lazy to maintain one!)
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Likewise - my mate Nick uses watercooling, and all the grief he's had with that I wouldn't want it even if I could afford it.
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hhhhhh I'm not ready yet
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Stock cooling works fine, no overheats even with my case fans dropped to their ultra-low silent 600rpm speed. GPU fan only spools up to 40% or so, not actually that loud. Cooling is not one of this card's ills. Bugs, however, are, as expected with Crossfire.
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Anybody know why a profile to adjust the fan speed would'nt be created AFTER opening up CCC- enabling Overdrive- going to profile manager- and creating a profile-then checking (All CCC settings box prior to save)? I did this in an attempt to create a profile for the purpose of adjusting my speed to 38%, but when I open C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\ATI\ACE... all I have is the.xml profile which is named default...NOT the name I gave it. I'm using the 8.8 driver. The card in my application idles at 76 degrees C and tops out at 83 degrees C...

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So are you able to flash within windows, or do you have to do it from DOS?
I've been flashing from windows with Winflash, I just find booting to DOS as archaic as all hell. Not to mention I dont have a floppy so I burn a CD, I've been curious if you can boot off a flash drive to do it.
Hey, I'm back! I learned to flash with the ATI Radeon 9550. I studied every option available; ie. DOS, Windows, Floppy, CD, etc. I broused the forums and links for about a month before I decided to go for it. I always use DOS and a Floppy to flash Anything. Right Now I'm using a HIS HD 3870 777.00MHz reference card flashed with a HIS 800.00MHz Bios. I haven't had a problem with it. The HD 4870 is different and has a larger ROM than the previous bios. I'd recommend you check a bunch of forums and links, (which I am currently doing) and find a method that suits your equipment (flash drive) and when you feel comfortable FLASH!
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Anybody know why a profile to adjust the fan speed would'nt be created AFTER opening up CCC- enabling Overdrive- going to profile manager- and creating a profile-then checking (All CCC settings box prior to save)? I did this in an attempt to create a profile for the purpose of adjusting my speed to 38%, but when I open C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\ATI\ACE... all I have is the.xml profile which is named default...NOT the name I gave it. I'm using the 8.8 driver. The card in my application idles at 76 degrees C and tops out at 83 degrees C...

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I had that problem, I copy/pasted from the default file and then edited from there.
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I got a Powercolor HD 4870 yesterday. For fan control I installed Gainward Bliss Expert Tool 4.0. I set it to 50% fixed speed. Temps dropped from the 70's to the 40's in under a minute. I also found the Diamond HD 4870 XOC Black Edition bios update (from the manufacturer). I don't like to flash from windows but the XOC bios is a WinFlash EXE with instructions, so I FLASHED! A command prompt opens up next to a little blue box with a progress bar............ A minute later, a prompt to reboot. Reboot and Presto, I'm running 795MHz core/1100MHz memory! Currently fan at 50% and GPU at 51C.
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I recently just got the 4870x2 at best buy for 469.99, I would say it's a lot better than the 4870 at higher resolutions, that's for sure. It's about 80% faster than a 4870, and maybe 60-80% faster than gtx280 on average.
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Haha. Oh trust me, it feels interesting. I rather hope he has a decent sized monitor though, else there's little point...
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I got a Powercolor HD 4870 yesterday. For fan control I installed Gainward Bliss Expert Tool 4.0. I set it to 50% fixed speed. Temps dropped from the 70's to the 40's in under a minute. I also found the Diamond HD 4870 XOC Black Edition bios update (from the manufacturer). I don't like to flash from windows but the XOC bios is a WinFlash EXE with instructions, so I FLASHED! A command prompt opens up next to a little blue box with a progress bar............ A minute later, a prompt to reboot. Reboot and Presto, I'm running 795MHz core/1100MHz memory! Currently fan at 50% and GPU at 51C.
Update: Waking from MIGHTMARE!!! I am running an Powerclor HD 4870 w/ Diamond XOC Bios mod. My Windows Vista HP 32bit caused me Extreme Problems. I re installed the OS because it was already cracked (minor problems). When I installed the HD 4870 XOC, Windows Vista HP finally broke. I've never had so many BSOD's and I had to istall a fresh Vista HP 32bit. I'm now Up and running strong with my Powercolor HD 4870w / XOC modded bios.!!! Catalysts 8.8, Media Center with Dual tuners, Runnin cool with Gainward Expert Tool: Fanspeed 50% / 47C idle, 52C load.
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Old Sep 11, 2008, 05:56 PM   #29
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You didn't previously have an nvidia card did you? Geforce to HD4870 is a rather sticky path...
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You didn't previously have an nvidia card did you? Geforce to HD4870 is a rather sticky path...
Oh no I am ATI from the start. Two machines 1 with HIS HD 3870 IceQ 3, 1 with Powercolor HD 4870/DiamondXOC mod! It seems my Vista installation was faulty and caused me 24hrs of heart ache. I'm Cool now with no chrashes, BSOD's, or any other problems.
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