ATI still unable to get 1080p HDMI/VGA right...

Judas

So i've been once again ripping my hair out over the distruction of a relatively "working" CCC that has removed so many bloody options and left us with a terrible UI..

While yes that's driver related..

I think the biggest problem is the issues still plagued by the HDMI connections and even starting to affect their VGA abilities unfortunately.

I setup a HD4870 on a 1080p Samsung LN40B650 (newest revision) and i've never had so many issues before with VGA connections. I did get 1080p working @ 60hz via VGA, but HDMI still a horrible mess.

In the hopes of resolving all the issues, i got a HD 5770, and things have not only gotten worse, but it's basically unuseable on hdmi/vga fronts completely.

I cannot select anything above 1360x768 without distortion or problems. The HDMI output gives me a 1920x1080 desktop, but is interlaced and stuck at 30hz, it also gives me lines and an occasional shot of green instead of white.. which initially i cropped up to being hdmi cable issue, but alas, not only several cables including a 3ft Monster overpriced cable, but a different video card. Why can't ATI get hdmi right?

Why can't i get VGA working at all to? Suddenly it's stuck at 30hz or below as well, AND i can't get a picture at all at anything above 1360x768.

the newer CCC's FORCE options don't list anything beyond the typical "unrecognized monitor" options not does it allow me to force anything at all, select a resolution in the force list, and the apply or ok buttons do nothing.

Unfortuneately, unless i can get this resolved for the customer i've got within the next 30 minutes, the 5770's are going back.

In a crazy attempt to get something at least to work and confirm, a 5870 also produces the same exact results.

Now figureing this is perhaps, well as claimed to be samsung specific, i cannot get a panasonic plasma OR Toshiba LCD to work at all either, the Video card JUST won't work...

Any solutions obviously welcomed..

Latest updates installed, latest drivers, windows vista or win7 x64...

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lepel

Oh. I have the 4870x2 and when I hook it up to my 1080p tv, I can only get 1360x768 out of it with a VGA connection. I thought it was a restriction by my television.

If you work something out (or if someone else resolved this), let us know!

BlueMak

Hmm.
I tried both a Bush 22" TV and a (currently using) LG 24" monitor and they both work fine? I HDMI on the TV and monitor, DVI on the graphics card.

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This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Judas

the only way i've gotten previous HD4xxx and older cards to work in 1080p 60hz via VGA is by going into the advanced display settings in win vista/win7 and selecting the monitor tab, then unchecking "display only modes that ..."...

at which point you select the 60hz mode.. and hit apply... .go back to the resolution screen select 1920x1080 and then before hitting ok/apply, hit the advanced again hit the monitor tab and select 60hz or 59hz (any which one that gives you the ability to HIT apply after selecting)... at which point the machine will apply 1920x1080 and at the selected refresh rate.

Otherwise the tv's show up as non pnp generic monitor ... default monitor.

forcing an alternative monitor profile such as forcing a Samsung NF/DF 1200/2200 series driver which gives you high resolution produces some pretty bad results with the screen being off centered and whatnot... it's quite strange.

in win7, if you do a full fresh install with these tvs, win7 tries to run 24hz on startup via the vga cable that results in mode not supported... at which point you either have to be prepared before or shutdown the computer and restarted hitting F8 alll the while to force low resolution mode to select the supported resolutions.

This applies to many other lcd tvs.... specially 24hz models that support it.

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asedsa

Well, I have two suggestions:

1) Try another available port of your graphic card (if you have one DVI try to use adapter instead hdmi port)

2)Try to fix issue by downloading Powerstrip and setting the resolution and refresh rate with that.
It is because in Win7, microsoft's 60Hz is 59Hz. So the driver actually tries to output 1920x1080x59 over VGA, which some monitors won't accept. Just set the correct resolution and refresh rate using Powerstrip.
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BlueMak

Just to clear something up Judas. Your problem is when you try to connect an HDMI out (card), to a VGA in (TV)? Why not use other input?

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

blibbax

If it's any consollation, I had the exact same prolem with my 9800GTX+ on a mate's 1080p TV, using a DVI o HDMI adaptor. My laptop, though, which had an 8300GS and an HDMI out on the back, was fine.

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Judas

ok lets clear some things up straight away...


Preferablly, everyone is going to want to use a HDMI connection from computer to HDTV..

So obviously i would PREFER to use that, however that doesn't work at all, even if i don't use the hdmi output on the card and use a DVI to HDMI dongle, the results are relatively identical.

Using a DVI to HDMI cable where the dongle is built in doesn't change anything at all

which leaves you with one last alternative, using a DVI to VGA adapter which then pluged into the LCD HDTV....

however the results are just as bad, if not even worse as "Mode not supported" isn't exactly great.... least i was getting garbled image before.

Lastly, 60/59hz is supported by the VGA connection.

via HDMI, 24/29/30/59/60hz are supported in both interlaced and progressive scan.

These TVs are simply mind blowing beautiful peices of work, image clarity is amazing. It's an utter shame that a 4870 via VGA mode is the only way i can get 1080p working, and even then, i had to hack it, games still provide only 1360x768 as a working max resolution so if the game supports running in window mode, that's the best way to go.

The nice thing about HDMI though is that it's the only way to get AutoMotion plus working, and in a windows enviroment watching youtube videos or doing anything including gaming, the automotion plus is simply amazing as it interpolates the images, doubling the framerate making 15fps look like 30 and 30 look like 60 and so on and so forth, meaning 60fps looks like 120 (technical maximum of the tv's displaying capabilities.)

The newest Revision B of the 6 series Samsungs have improved the image interpolation capabilities resulting in less artifacts and the occasional "stutter".... they've got it down pretty damn good.

Ever game on a CRT with 120hz and a video card capable of dilivering, Samsungs got it.... It's not AS good, but it's pretty damn close.


Conclusion of the matter though, 5770 = No dice PERIOD on VGA/HDMI connections to any of the 1080p tv's i've got on hand..

I can still attached a monitor that was specifically designed for DVI/HDMI/VGA connections without much difficulty (even if the HDMI connection is poorer then dvi/vga)

My satisfaction with ATI and HDMI connections is for lack of a better word(s), total and utter rubbish. I keep trying, and things aren't getting better... with the NEW CCC, it's worse...

How hard is it to just work with a Digital HDMI set Standard connection? I mean hell, we've got cheap dvd upscaling players that you plug in and select 1080p and BAM picture not only there, but it FITS the tv properly....


I want this fixed, i want to be able to recommend an ATI card for people with Media center in mind or the fact that more and more people are buying HDTVs instead of REAL monitors for their computers. Seriously i've got more people "Asking" about a 32" hdtv lcd for their monitor rather then bothering with the cheaper or even more expensive 23/24 inch screens, or bothing with the 25-28"... obviously the 2560x1600 dells are out of the question considering you can get a 32" 1080p for less.

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BlueMak

Dude, there is something wrong with your hardware or software then. I use a dongle to connect my card to the monitor that doesn't have any DVI and I can get full 1920x1200 np.

Using catalyst 9.8 and previous versions.

As I said, I have also connected the system to a 22" BUSH TV through DVI and VGA and it was working fine.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Judas

what resolution is the 22"... is it 1920x1080..

as i said, majority of monitors that are designed specifically as monitors even with "tv" thrown in as a afterthought generally work.

it's the True HDTVs that don't...

There is no way i've had over 15-30 faulty cards, countless DVI-HDMI dongles (provided by ati) although i do know i've had bad ones, and about 20+ HDTVs ranging from 32" up through to 52 and maybe 2 above the 52 range that simply produce an awful image, or simply don't work at all.

Using every conceiveable peice of driver..

As i stated, the PREVIOUS version of the CCC granted alot more flexibility allowing one to actually more easily force specific resolutions beyond the monitors own driver profile (be it the generic/default monitor driver that only shows up to usually 1024x768/1360x768/1600x1200 as max resolutions.

57xx/58xx series won't work AT all even with forced registry changes or modified monitor driver profiles.... unsupport mode/frequencies or if i can get by that with hdmi, one messed up picture.

Shit even the new CCC's Overscale capabilities aren't present anymore, even thought they kinda sucked as they usually made the jump from one slightly to small to one slightly to large for the the screen resulting in a of center pixel issue, making for a rough looking pixilated kinda poor image. (this is under the best circumstances i managed when i had the 3870/4870/4870x2 with the previous CCC in both vista and win7 x64.)

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BlueMak

ok then.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

blibbax

Have you tried any cards with an HDMI port on the back rather than the need for a dongle? Or do they not exist for high end ATI? Or are they just an integrated DVI to HDMI dongle?

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Judas

as i've stated previously.


the 5770 and 5xxx series so far all have HDMI and Display port as well as 2x DVI ports on the cards themselves.....

one of the reasons i thought ati might have resolved the hdmi problems.

i was unfortunately proven wrong.

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@/2ct!<

Just for fun, I temporarily hooked up my 5850 to my 1080p tv (not main display). I can only get 30hz on windows desktop, but thankfully it switches to 60 for some reason when running games.

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Judas

is it truely 1080p...?

cause one of the major issues is that it's showing 1080i... not p

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Judas

btw....what make/model tv

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@/2ct!<

Vizio gv47l 1080p tv. When on desktop, the display on tv says that the input is from a 1080i source but my dvd player and xbox both get recognized as 1080p. This is through a direct hdmi connection.

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Judas

yeah xbox/dvd players work great.. but i can't get the computer to work at all..... using VGA or HDMI with 5xxx but i can get at least VGA working on 4xxx or older

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SeraphicSorcerer

I have a Samsung 550 Series, and it's working fine with a 5xxx and 4xxx series, I did clean up my drivers, I'm using Windows 7, all working fine desktop res is 1600x1200 and tv is 1920x1080

I'm sure that's not helpful.... but just thought i'd post my results.

Are you still using Rc 1? Maybe it's a bug they fixed since going gold.

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DJShamrock

I just bought a 54" Panasonic HDTV. Its sitting on the floor I haven't even hooked it up till my new entertainment center comes.

Anyways I was nervous about trying this. This is my first HDTV. I have an ATi 4890 and a DVI to HDMI dongle. Anyone knows if I hook the HDMI cable into the dongle on the empty slot (aka the slot next too my Desktops 22" LCD monitor) can I get sound and video through that HDMI cable or just video?

Also should I unplug that first cable my lcd is hooked to and use that to plug my HDMI cable and dongle into anytime I want to use my TV as a PC? Problem is, I have been a PC gamer forever. I have an Xbox 360 and love it's entertainment center media features but I can't play FPS's with that controller. I want to play all my gaes from my PC! It's Uber!

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johnniedoo

I have a samsung T260HD(1920x1200) I am still unable to get my4870 and ati ccc9.12 in in one piece. It seems the drivers are just fine now but i am not fine with ccc only ccc and restart runtime show up and of course dont work. I have done everything but use my empty disc to reinstall -clean-windows 7 which is what gigabyte-the hardware gpu-suggested in an unusual form of printed english.I get a confilct with the samsung driver which i thought i had eliminated and now the picture is ok in tv and monitor sides I got a problem using the hdmi in the back so took that out and only use the dvd-->dvi from the back of my computer to the tv & monitor but am not able to get the installer for cim/ccc to work at all no matter how many times i run ccleaner/software clean up/driver cleaner and a few more. it will not install now. I do not know why other people dont seem to encounter the problems and this whole thing is only a few weeks old. the hardware seems not to be the issue because the same thing is with the 4670 also new . ]I have no other ideas where to go other than the big job of total software start over which in my case means start with vista home premium and the windows 7 upgrade and i do not see why i wouldnt have exactly the same problems as those new OS will load up their stored 4800series drivers and I will have the same problems with ccc only more wasted time. I have to forget about it

Judas

No i'm using win7 OEM official release...

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procupine14

Yeah I'm having the same issues with my 4550 on my HTPC. If I try to scale to fit the screen for 1080p it messes up all the color so the only way that I can get a clear image is to let it not fit the screen which is really annoying.

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GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU

Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Judas

If if you don't let it fit the screen.. the clarity/sharpness of the screen still isn't "quite right"

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procupine14

ah well thats a whole different issue than mine then. Mine issue only happens when i try to upscale it to fit the screen.

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HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU

GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU

Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

geok1ng

I was having issues with a 5 meters VGA cable on the 4870X2, but an HDMI cable worked flawlessly on a Panasonic 1360x768 plasma TV, so this HDMI problem maybe HDTV related.

And the UI of the new CCC is terrible, period.

procupine14

Well, I finally fixed my issue. Some how through the craziness of CCC it managed to change my color settings to low and that was what was causing all of my problems. I suppose had I just looked in the windows settings I would have known. Wow....I feel dumb.

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GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU

Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

cause_of_chaos

My friend bought a Series 5 Samsung TV and had a similar (of sorts) problem, with a similar solution. Good that you sorted out though.

One thing - his TV looked best when the sharpness was turned down to "0" - Try that!

cause_of_chaos

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Judas

when the resolution and settings are proper... there isn't any sharpness problems..

it's when using HDMI that it's a royal farce.

Still the major issue is that ALL games that provide for full screen play insist that 1600x1200 is the largest resolution (which isn't supported by the tv) and still insists on using a 24hz or higher refresh rate then what is supported via VGA or HDMI (24 on hdmi is fine, but kills frame rates)

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cause_of_chaos

Am I right in assuming that you're manually setting your resolution to 1920x1080 / 60Hz rather than using the "1080p" preset?

Usually, forcing resolutions in CCC works a charm - I have to do it for my 1360x768 Samsung TV to guarantee a great picture.

cause_of_chaos

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