Everything about R300...

May 8, 2002, 11:17 PM

Everybody knows it's coming - but when?
Everybody knows it has to be really kick@ss - but features, specs?

Six days and Matrox Parhelia will be announced w/ similar specs like this: 350MHz/350MHz core/memory, 256bit memory architecture, 20-23 GB/s, 4 pipelines and 4 TMU/pipeline, 4 vertex shaders, not full-DX9, pixel/vertex shader 2.0, displacement mapping, 40bit color space, Triple-Head, 8x AGP...

What are the most reliable specs about R300?

Candyman · May 8, 2002, 11:20 PM

How about the infamous R250??? Is that still gonna go through? I wonder if ATI is secretly waiting until the 14th of May to release the R250 so it takes some glamour away from Matrox....it could happen.....

May 8, 2002, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Candyman
How about the infamous R250??? Is that still gonna go through? I wonder if ATI is secretly waiting until the 14th of May to release the R250 so it takes some glamour away from Matrox....it could happen.....

There are some rumors, still... seems to be a logical step (in budget meaning

)...

Zardon · May 8, 2002, 11:24 PM

yeah im looking forward to getting my hands on a 250, more money though isnt it ? lol

ive heard the 300 is going to be nearer the end of the year...

May 8, 2002, 11:42 PM

I think Orton made it clear in his last announcement: R300 will be targeted definitely against NV30 - you know, "Crush the Force!

IMHO it means if NV30 will be out around August then a month (or 2) later R300 will follow it...

peroni · May 8, 2002, 11:48 PM

Personally I do not see the R300 available in stores before November.
Hope to be proven wrong but they bloody better make sure to release it with decent drivers otherwise they will be shooting their own feet. They nearly killed the 8500 last October.

And on Parhelia, this is what the moderator at Matrox forum says about the price:
Quote:
"All I can say is that you'll have to save up more than the GF4 4400.
Allow me to be in sales mode for this. Remember that we do not depreciate the value of our own products every six months just becuase of more frame rates. Hence, your value with our card will go alot longer."

May 8, 2002, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rage8500
one thing for sure, i dun want them to rush products into the market with bad drivers
take ur time ATi.....

Amen.

May 8, 2002, 11:52 PM

Yes, I' heard something about Parhelia-based cards: the CHEAPEST will cost around $300 !... and there are 2 bros...

jeeez...

russian · May 9, 2002, 12:09 AM

ATi will release R300 after NV30, that sucks

, because NVidia got 2 products between ATi's R200 and R300 (I do hope that R250 will be released).

My point is that if ATi will not release R300 before NV30, then R300 will have to fight with NV35 (which will be released 6 months after NV30, as usual).

Omegadrive · May 9, 2002, 02:40 AM

What about this:
Dx9 is supposed to launch somewhere around August to September
Microsoft is working close with ATI in the Dx9 development
nVidia's card is also coming in august

Wouldn't it be smarter for ATI to skip the R250 and just go straight to the R300???
I mean, Who wants to buy a video card with a life-span of 4 months??? Or even less...

I say, Why not ATI releases the R300 sooner than expected and also release an R300 MAXX card at the same time!!!???
Imagine this: R300 @ $300.00 and R300 MAXX @ $500.00

Knowing that the R300 has Dual the power of a 8500, then the MAXX would be 4 times faster!!!

ATI then officially proclaims to rule the world

No more competition for 2 years.... (unless nvidia launches something similar to the SLI of the 3dfx)

My 2 cents.

jcastill · May 9, 2002, 02:48 AM

I think that the r300 will come first, and then the nv30 that will win (in terms of speed) over the r300, but then ATI is going to release the maxx edition and then ATI will win... But then it could come an sli nv30... and then even a 4sli nv30.... but still I don't think nvidia will go 2 GPU's.... but it could be, interesting and fasinating.

russian · May 9, 2002, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jcastill
I think that the r300 will come first, and then the nv30 that will win (in terms of speed) over the r300, but then ATI is going to release the maxx edition and then ATI will win... But then it could come an sli nv30... and then even a 4sli nv30.... but still I don't think nvidia will go 2 GPU's.... but it could be, interesting and fasinating.

Actually, NV30 is coming at august and R300 at the end of fourth quarter 2002

(Thats what David Orton said), but I do remember promise of ATi, that R300 will come before NV30 (if I am not mistaken...).

jcastill · May 9, 2002, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by russian
Actually, NV30 is coming at august and R300 at the end of fourth quarter 2002 (Thats what David Orton said), but I do remember promise of ATi, that R300 will come before NV30 (if I am not mistaken...).

I remember that a ATI guy said that when DX9 appears ATI will release a card for it (r300) so I think it's going to be BEFORE the nv30, but I could be wrong.

So far I just want it to be may 14th to see what matrox is going to offer.....

Candyman · May 9, 2002, 01:10 PM

I really hope ATI releases the R300 first just before Nvidia is suppose to release the NV30. Once the R300 is released and Nvidia notices that it will smoke the NV30, I hope Nvidia pulls back and stops the release of the NV30 because they would know it will get killed.

On the other hand, it would be nice to have Nvidia release their new card days after the R300 and still get an ass-whopin'. Then maybe people may relaize that ATI is for real!

Whatsizface · May 13, 2002, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by T2k
I think Orton made it clear in his last announcement: R300 will be targeted definitely against NV30 - you know, "Crush the Force!

IMHO it means if NV30 will be out around August then a month (or 2) later R300 will follow it...

100% guaranteed.

The first rule of launching new product: don't launch the flagship before summer.

What ATI'll do is press realease new technology (read: new funky names for stuff) between now and August, then launch the the first R3000-based card (with all that funky stuff) for the August retail refresh. A month or two later the first 3rd party R300 cards will surface.

Ready for back to school, ready for Comdex 2002, ready for Christmas buying season.

Whatsizface

May 14, 2002, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whatsizface
100% guaranteed.

The first rule of launching new product: don't launch the flagship before summer.

What ATI'll do is press realease new technology (read: new funky names for stuff) between now and August, then launch the the first R3000-based card (with all that funky stuff) for the August retail refresh. A month or two later the first 3rd party R300 cards will surface.

Ready for back to school, ready for Comdex 2002, ready for Christmas buying season.

Whatsizface

Exactly.

RV250 is coming on E3 but that will be a faster budget card (only 2 rendering pipelines versus R200's 4 pipes).
Plus at the end of last year ATI wrote, they've reduced the technology cycle to10-11 months - IMHO from R200 (2001 Aug-Sep) eleven months means around this year's Aug...

and cards will coming in fall...

brc64 · May 15, 2002, 12:49 AM

Looking at the specs of the new Matrox card, does anybody know how the R300 is supposed to compare? Better would be awesome, but I'm wondering how you can get much better than that Matrox..

- Me

May 16, 2002, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brc64
Looking at the specs of the new Matrox card, does anybody know how the R300 is supposed to compare? Better would be awesome, but I'm wondering how you can get much better than that Matrox..

- Me

That will be faster.

I'm pretty sure about this...

jcastill · May 18, 2002, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by T2k
That will be faster.

I'm pretty sure about this...

Almost sure that it will be FAR faster

forgiven · May 22, 2002, 03:07 AM

Which will be faster...Parhelia??

May 23, 2002, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by forgiven
Which will be faster...Parhelia??

Parhelia? Funny!

I expect Parhelia will be very far from R300 or even NV30 at that time. Really...

May 24, 2002, 08:24 PM

Now we can more sure about R300:

"ATI chosen to power DOOM III™ for E3 2002

ATI's ultra- high-end, next-generation chip provides best performance and visual quality for running DOOM III™ at E3 2002

Friday May 24, 2002

E3 2002, Los Angeles, CA - May 24, 2002 - Id Software™ has chosen ATI's next generation graphics architecture as the platform for previewing their unbelievably realistic and much anticipated DOOM III™ at this year's E3 Expo.

ATI's chip was chosen because it offers the most advanced, high-performance graphics architecture to power the demonstration at E3 2002. DOOM III™, scheduled for release in 2003, has been highly anticipated both as an unbelievable game and as a true measure of today - and tomorrow's - graphics architectures. Also highly anticipated, ATI's next generation product, scheduled for release this fall, will cement ATI firmly as a leader in the ultra-high-end 3D and gaming graphics market.

"ATI's next generation hardware has an ideal feature set for the DOOM III™ engine, and at the moment is the fastest platform to run the game on," said John Carmack, Chief Technical Officer & co-founder of Id Software, Inc.

"We want users to be blown away by their gaming experience," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President, Marketing and General Manager, Desktop, ATI Technologies Inc. "Our next-generation product will move gamers a quantum leap forward in realistic and immersive gaming. Gamer's won't just play DOOM III™ with ATI's next generation hardware - they'll live it."

Source:
ATI

forgiven · May 24, 2002, 08:50 PM

Excellent

Loov · May 25, 2002, 12:50 AM

Quote:

scheduled for release this fall

Cant wait
Looks like ATI has a really god card comming this fall

May 25, 2002, 12:41 PM

yeah its gonna even kick the new matrox card ass !

May 28, 2002, 05:27 PM

[/b]Club3D interview

Quoted from sales manager of Club3D:

""(...)
Reactor Critical: In fact, ATI Technologies is a main rival for NVidia. Their GPUs have good performance and even better than NVidia according to some test results. What do you think about it and what products of ATI will be offered with Club 3D on computer market?

Janita Willems: New solutions powered by ATI, such as the RV250 and the R300 will be announced during Computex 2002. [COLOR=red]Mass production is expected in August 2002, R300 will be announced a week after RV250. The RV250 GPU features integrated Hardware MPEG in the chip and also VIVO functionality will be implemented. R300 is expected to have three times higher performance compared to the competitors.[/COLOR]

Yesss!

forgiven · May 28, 2002, 08:59 PM

I love your rig...but how do you fit 2X 21"ers on a desk???

May 28, 2002, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by forgiven
I love your rig...but how do you fit 2X 21"ers on a desk???

Thanks!

There are 2 front speakers too and also my phone and plenty of CDs... I have a really big desk!

May 29, 2002, 03:38 AM

Another Carmack interview on MSNBC dated today:

Doom III is very much hardware driven, and one of the controversies of this year’s E3 was that the game was demonstrated on the latest ATI graphics card rather than a card from NVidia.
“NVidia has been stellar in terms of driver quality and support and doing all of the things right,” says Carmack, who has been an outspoken evangelist for NVidia’s GeForce technology. “For the past few years, they have been able to consistently outplay ATI on every front. The problem is that they are about one-half step out of synch with the hardware generation because they did Xbox instead of focusing everything on their next board. So they are a little bit behind ATI.”
“I told everyone that I was going to demonstrate Doom III on the best hardware, and there has been no collusion or kickbacks or anything like that going on. Our objective is the technical merit.”
“The new ATI card was clearly superior. I don’t want to ding NVidia for anything because NVidia has done everything they possibly could; but in every test we ran, ATI was faster.”

WTF!

EnDlEsS · May 31, 2002, 07:02 AM

300 MHz (0.15um ver), 350-400 MHz (0.13um ver) Core Clock
8 Rendering Pipelines, 4 TMUs each
4 Vertex Shader (2.0)
4 Pixel Shader (2.0)
2 Turform units
1 Displacement Mapping unit
iDCT 2 (Mpeg 4 playback)
Smoothvision 2 (Fully programmable)
128 bit Dual Channel Mem interface
AGP 8X
512 bit

May 8, 2002, 11:17 PM	#1
T2k Guest Posts: n/a	Everything about R300... Everybody knows it's coming - but when? Everybody knows it has to be really kick@ss - but features, specs? Six days and Matrox Parhelia will be announced w/ similar specs like this: 350MHz/350MHz core/memory, 256bit memory architecture, 20-23 GB/s, 4 pipelines and 4 TMU/pipeline, 4 vertex shaders, not full-DX9, pixel/vertex shader 2.0, displacement mapping, 40bit color space, Triple-Head, 8x AGP... What are the most reliable specs about R300?

May 8, 2002, 11:20 PM	#2
Candyman [DH] Lover! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 284 Rep Power: 0	How about the infamous R250??? Is that still gonna go through? I wonder if ATI is secretly waiting until the 14th of May to release the R250 so it takes some glamour away from Matrox....it could happen..... __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1700+ @ 2.53GHz Abit NF7-S v.2 Thermalright SP-97 w/ TT Smart Fan 2 2 x 512MB GeIL PC3500 Platinum DDR 2 x 120GB WD HDD - RAID-0 2 x 80GB Barracuda V HDD - RAID-0 ATI Radeon AIW 9800PRO SB Audigy 2 HP L2335 23" LCD (DVI-D) WinXP Pro SP2

May 8, 2002, 11:42 PM	#5
T2k Guest Posts: n/a	R300 agains NV30 I think Orton made it clear in his last announcement: R300 will be targeted definitely against NV30 - you know, "Crush the Force! IMHO it means if NV30 will be out around August then a month (or 2) later R300 will follow it...

May 8, 2002, 11:48 PM	#6
peroni DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 591 Rep Power: 0	Personally I do not see the R300 available in stores before November. Hope to be proven wrong but they bloody better make sure to release it with decent drivers otherwise they will be shooting their own feet. They nearly killed the 8500 last October. And on Parhelia, this is what the moderator at Matrox forum says about the price: Quote: "All I can say is that you'll have to save up more than the GF4 4400. Allow me to be in sales mode for this. Remember that we do not depreciate the value of our own products every six months just becuase of more frame rates. Hence, your value with our card will go alot longer." __________________ Gaming Rig 3DMark2k1 PCMark2k2 The Server 3Dmark2k1 PCMark2k2 Notebook 3Dmark2k1 PCMark2k2

May 8, 2002, 11:52 PM	#8
T2k Guest Posts: n/a	'Expensivism' Yes, I' heard something about Parhelia-based cards: the CHEAPEST will cost around $300 !... and there are 2 bros... jeeez...

May 8, 2002, 11:24 PM	#4
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	yeah im looking forward to getting my hands on a 250, more money though isnt it ? lol ive heard the 300 is going to be nearer the end of the year...

May 9, 2002, 12:09 AM	#9
russian DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	ATi will release R300 after NV30, that sucks , because NVidia got 2 products between ATi's R200 and R300 (I do hope that R250 will be released). My point is that if ATi will not release R300 before NV30, then R300 will have to fight with NV35 (which will be released 6 months after NV30, as usual).

May 9, 2002, 02:40 AM	#10
Omegadrive Drivers? What Drivers??? Join Date: May 2002 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,526 Rep Power: 73	I want an R300 MAXX What about this: Dx9 is supposed to launch somewhere around August to September Microsoft is working close with ATI in the Dx9 development nVidia's card is also coming in august Wouldn't it be smarter for ATI to skip the R250 and just go straight to the R300??? I mean, Who wants to buy a video card with a life-span of 4 months??? Or even less... I say, Why not ATI releases the R300 sooner than expected and also release an R300 MAXX card at the same time!!!??? Imagine this: R300 @ $300.00 and R300 MAXX @ $500.00 Knowing that the R300 has Dual the power of a 8500, then the MAXX would be 4 times faster!!! ATI then officially proclaims to rule the world No more competition for 2 years.... (unless nvidia launches something similar to the SLI of the 3dfx) My 2 cents. __________________ DRIVERHEAVEN ADMINISTRATOR <<E-MAIL>> <<PC SPECS>> GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

May 9, 2002, 02:48 AM	#11
jcastill Mexico Man! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mexico Posts: 87 Rep Power: 0	I think that the r300 will come first, and then the nv30 that will win (in terms of speed) over the r300, but then ATI is going to release the maxx edition and then ATI will win... But then it could come an sli nv30... and then even a 4sli nv30.... but still I don't think nvidia will go 2 GPU's.... but it could be, interesting and fasinating.

May 9, 2002, 01:10 PM	#14
Candyman [DH] Lover! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 284 Rep Power: 0	I really hope ATI releases the R300 first just before Nvidia is suppose to release the NV30. Once the R300 is released and Nvidia notices that it will smoke the NV30, I hope Nvidia pulls back and stops the release of the NV30 because they would know it will get killed. On the other hand, it would be nice to have Nvidia release their new card days after the R300 and still get an ass-whopin'. Then maybe people may relaize that ATI is for real! __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1700+ @ 2.53GHz Abit NF7-S v.2 Thermalright SP-97 w/ TT Smart Fan 2 2 x 512MB GeIL PC3500 Platinum DDR 2 x 120GB WD HDD - RAID-0 2 x 80GB Barracuda V HDD - RAID-0 ATI Radeon AIW 9800PRO SB Audigy 2 HP L2335 23" LCD (DVI-D) WinXP Pro SP2

May 15, 2002, 12:49 AM	#17
brc64 Zeeky H. Bomb Join Date: May 2002 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 826 Rep Power: 0	Looking at the specs of the new Matrox card, does anybody know how the R300 is supposed to compare? Better would be awesome, but I'm wondering how you can get much better than that Matrox.. - Me

May 22, 2002, 03:07 AM	#20
forgiven DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	Which will be faster...Parhelia?? __________________ A64 3000+ @ 2.4 gig Epox 8KDA3J @ 240 FSB 2 X 512MB PC4000 Kingmax 9800SE @ 425/730 2 X 80 Maxtor ultra Raid 0

May 24, 2002, 08:24 PM	#22
T2k Guest Posts: n/a	DIII on R300! Now we can more sure about R300: "ATI chosen to power DOOM III™ for E3 2002 ATI's ultra- high-end, next-generation chip provides best performance and visual quality for running DOOM III™ at E3 2002 Friday May 24, 2002 E3 2002, Los Angeles, CA - May 24, 2002 - Id Software™ has chosen ATI's next generation graphics architecture as the platform for previewing their unbelievably realistic and much anticipated DOOM III™ at this year's E3 Expo. ATI's chip was chosen because it offers the most advanced, high-performance graphics architecture to power the demonstration at E3 2002. DOOM III™, scheduled for release in 2003, has been highly anticipated both as an unbelievable game and as a true measure of today - and tomorrow's - graphics architectures. Also highly anticipated, ATI's next generation product, scheduled for release this fall, will cement ATI firmly as a leader in the ultra-high-end 3D and gaming graphics market. "ATI's next generation hardware has an ideal feature set for the DOOM III™ engine, and at the moment is the fastest platform to run the game on," said John Carmack, Chief Technical Officer & co-founder of Id Software, Inc. "We want users to be blown away by their gaming experience," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President, Marketing and General Manager, Desktop, ATI Technologies Inc. "Our next-generation product will move gamers a quantum leap forward in realistic and immersive gaming. Gamer's won't just play DOOM III™ with ATI's next generation hardware - they'll live it." Source: ATI

May 24, 2002, 08:50 PM	#23
forgiven DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	Excellent __________________ A64 3000+ @ 2.4 gig Epox 8KDA3J @ 240 FSB 2 X 512MB PC4000 Kingmax 9800SE @ 425/730 2 X 80 Maxtor ultra Raid 0

May 25, 2002, 12:41 PM	#25
Billy Guest Posts: n/a	yeah its gonna even kick the new matrox card ass !

May 28, 2002, 05:27 PM	#26
T2k Guest Posts: n/a	R300 and RV250 news update! [/b]Club3D interview Quoted from sales manager of Club3D: ""(...) Reactor Critical: In fact, ATI Technologies is a main rival for NVidia. Their GPUs have good performance and even better than NVidia according to some test results. What do you think about it and what products of ATI will be offered with Club 3D on computer market? Janita Willems: New solutions powered by ATI, such as the RV250 and the R300 will be announced during Computex 2002. [COLOR=red]Mass production is expected in August 2002, R300 will be announced a week after RV250. The RV250 GPU features integrated Hardware MPEG in the chip and also VIVO functionality will be implemented. R300 is expected to have three times higher performance compared to the competitors.[/COLOR] Yesss!

May 28, 2002, 08:59 PM	#27
forgiven DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	I love your rig...but how do you fit 2X 21"ers on a desk??? __________________ A64 3000+ @ 2.4 gig Epox 8KDA3J @ 240 FSB 2 X 512MB PC4000 Kingmax 9800SE @ 425/730 2 X 80 Maxtor ultra Raid 0

May 29, 2002, 03:38 AM	#29
T2k Guest Posts: n/a	Whhhoooaa! Another Carmack interview on MSNBC dated today: Doom III is very much hardware driven, and one of the controversies of this year’s E3 was that the game was demonstrated on the latest ATI graphics card rather than a card from NVidia. “NVidia has been stellar in terms of driver quality and support and doing all of the things right,” says Carmack, who has been an outspoken evangelist for NVidia’s GeForce technology. “For the past few years, they have been able to consistently outplay ATI on every front. The problem is that they are about one-half step out of synch with the hardware generation because they did Xbox instead of focusing everything on their next board. So they are a little bit behind ATI.” “I told everyone that I was going to demonstrate Doom III on the best hardware, and there has been no collusion or kickbacks or anything like that going on. Our objective is the technical merit.” “The new ATI card was clearly superior. I don’t want to ding NVidia for anything because NVidia has done everything they possibly could; but in every test we ran, ATI was faster.” WTF!

May 31, 2002, 07:02 AM	#30
EnDlEsS DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	R300: 300 MHz (0.15um ver), 350-400 MHz (0.13um ver) Core Clock 8 Rendering Pipelines, 4 TMUs each 4 Vertex Shader (2.0) 4 Pixel Shader (2.0) 2 Turform units 1 Displacement Mapping unit iDCT 2 (Mpeg 4 playback) Smoothvision 2 (Fully programmable) 128 bit Dual Channel Mem interface AGP 8X 512 bit