New computer

Marv|n · Nov 10, 2003, 06:03 PM

Hi i just bought a new comp and i tried 3D mark 2003 and i got a score of 1900 is that low

. Or is it just the lack of ram

AMD Athlon 2.0 giga
128 Ram (the original 512 was broken so i sent it back im getting a new one soon)
Club 3D Radeon 9600 VE 256 ram

I had catalyst 3.8 driver

**MIG-31** · Nov 10, 2003, 06:17 PM

it's a strong possibility with only 128mb installed, but still should be a little better than that though.(when you install the 512mb)

a few questions.

a)is it a complete system bought from new or built yourself?

b)what is the rest of your stuff.mobo etc.

c)is all software upto date.ie chipset drivers/windows.

d)what is your 3d2k1 score.

DriveEuro · Nov 10, 2003, 07:27 PM

First, never run XP with less than 192mb of ram. Sometimes ever 256mb is a pain. But for gaming you really could use 512mb.

**MIG-31** · Nov 10, 2003, 07:33 PM

i were aware of it could be run on 128mb,but you would loose allot of the stuff xp needs to run efficiently.but would agree on a min of 256mb great with 512-768mb would be plenty for the next few years at least.

DriveEuro · Nov 10, 2003, 11:20 PM

Yeah, you can run xp on a machine with 64mb of ram... But dude, it's a sin. I installed XP on my buddy's 400mhz 64mb ram dell last year. Never waited so long in my life for a bootup. Even longer than our 386 with windows 3.1.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Nov 11, 2003, 04:14 PM

min to run xp on is 256

**MIG-31** · Nov 11, 2003, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
Yeah, you can run xp on a machine with 64mb of ram... But dude, it's a sin. I installed XP on my buddy's 400mhz 64mb ram dell last year. Never waited so long in my life for a bootup. Even longer than our 386 with windows 3.1.

that is unbelievable.

last year a relative bought a pc for her daughter that she ran into a problem with the scanner that came with it.

what she bought for £1000 (yes i am correct on the price) her specs were:

1.3 Intel celeron (this were the time when 2gig celerons where just about released)
128mb 133ram
onboard graphics 8mb
no idea on mobo
30gig hdd
monitor
epson printer
scanner.

afterwards of knowing what she had i figured she paid around £500 give or take a little over the odds.when could of had a 2g for around £700.

but for the boot up must of took at least 2mins to fully boot up.and you can just imagine the amount of times having to un-install + reboots then install drivers + reboots i had to do.would of recommend upgrading the ram but they never have any money(no surprise as mentioned above) but would not have a clue how to install either.

they would just never of understood my reasons as to why it would make a difference as to only able to open like one window two tops,then waiting for the page swap to do it's thing.

after like two hours later and then trying the scanner on my rig with no such luck figured the scanner were the fault and not the drivers.

Marv|n · Nov 11, 2003, 05:51 PM

Well i chose the parts and they put it together. I noticed that the firm that i ordered from are assholes. When i phoned them about the ram they wanted the whole comp back. I asked why they said something like the motherboard can be broken. I said how it works now when i changed the ram and then asked why i cant just send the ram and the said well thats possible to. Then they said that i should try memtest, then i asked why it dosent work and they said ok but if it works i have to pay 15€ the price for ram testing but if its broken i get a new one. But i had nothing to do before i sent it so i tried memtest and got a very much errors. and on friday i got an email saying that the ram works and that they tested it on 2 differnet comps, so i replied that i ran memtest and it didnt work and they havent wanted to anser to that one yet.

The details are:
Abit NF7
AMD ATHLON XP 2400+ THOROUGHBRED 2.0 G
128 RAM
Club 3D Radeon 9600 VE 256 ram
Win xp pro All updates
DX 9.0B

blade5545 · Nov 11, 2003, 06:03 PM

Do this run memtest again and this time when it comes back with results take a picture of the screen with all the failed results then sent them the picture if they still argue with you get your money back and take you business elsewhere, that is bs to charge you for testing the ram

Ev!L-aLphA · Nov 11, 2003, 06:54 PM

maby its the ram and maby ur forcing aa and af to the max make them on nothing i think or default

than try

DriveEuro · Nov 12, 2003, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnybravo
that is unbelievable.

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
min to run xp on is 256

windows xp system requirements

128 recommended and 64mb minimum..

Eat and weap.

I've run it with 64mb and it was horrible, it was nearly unusable.
128mb was hard too. Just simply ALT-TABBING took a couple seconds...but still it was actually usable.

~~craig588~~ · Nov 12, 2003, 04:21 AM

You gotta be kidding, I know someone that has used windows 2k with 64M of ram for a long time, and its not nearly as fast as my system, but its completely usable.

Is XP that much more bloated than 2k?

**Roadee** · Nov 12, 2003, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by craig588
You gotta be kidding, I know someone that has used windows 2k with 64M of ram for a long time, and its not nearly as fast as my system, but its completely usable.

Is XP that much more bloated than 2k?

in short..........YES

HsuGotaQ · Nov 12, 2003, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roadee
(bloated) in short..........YES

Well... it's "bloated" in the sense that there are way too many services and visual enhancements that are started off the bat. By using the info found at BlackVipers site , I was able to get Windows XP running with only about 58 Megs of ram. Also note, remove all visual enhancements too. After doing both, the systems pretty much acts like Win2K, but with better hardware compatibility and a few extra available features.

Right now I'm currently trying to get a Bootable CD with Windows XP (Bart's PE Builder) to run with specific drivers on a system. If I can get this to run, I'm not only saving memory and ressources like crazy, but I'll try to add games directly onto such built CD's so that gaming will only need a DVD (since I guess I really am going to need a minium of a 1 gb of space for OS and 1 full game). I can't wait!

(note : Bart's PE Builder really does wonders when using Ghost32!)

Nov 10, 2003, 06:03 PM	#1
Marv\|n DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	New computer Hi i just bought a new comp and i tried 3D mark 2003 and i got a score of 1900 is that low . Or is it just the lack of ram AMD Athlon 2.0 giga 128 Ram (the original 512 was broken so i sent it back im getting a new one soon) Club 3D Radeon 9600 VE 256 ram I had catalyst 3.8 driver

Nov 10, 2003, 06:17 PM	#2
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,791 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	it's a strong possibility with only 128mb installed, but still should be a little better than that though.(when you install the 512mb) a few questions. a)is it a complete system bought from new or built yourself? b)what is the rest of your stuff.mobo etc. c)is all software upto date.ie chipset drivers/windows. d)what is your 3d2k1 score. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here Last edited by MIG-31; Nov 10, 2003 at 07:36 PM.

Nov 10, 2003, 07:27 PM	#3
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	First, never run XP with less than 192mb of ram. Sometimes ever 256mb is a pain. But for gaming you really could use 512mb. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Nov 10, 2003, 07:33 PM	#4
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,791 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	i were aware of it could be run on 128mb,but you would loose allot of the stuff xp needs to run efficiently.but would agree on a min of 256mb great with 512-768mb would be plenty for the next few years at least. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Nov 10, 2003, 11:20 PM	#5
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, you can run xp on a machine with 64mb of ram... But dude, it's a sin. I installed XP on my buddy's 400mhz 64mb ram dell last year. Never waited so long in my life for a bootup. Even longer than our 386 with windows 3.1. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Nov 11, 2003, 04:14 PM	#6
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Nov 11, 2003, 05:51 PM	Thread Starter #8
Marv\|n DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Well i chose the parts and they put it together. I noticed that the firm that i ordered from are assholes. When i phoned them about the ram they wanted the whole comp back. I asked why they said something like the motherboard can be broken. I said how it works now when i changed the ram and then asked why i cant just send the ram and the said well thats possible to. Then they said that i should try memtest, then i asked why it dosent work and they said ok but if it works i have to pay 15€ the price for ram testing but if its broken i get a new one. But i had nothing to do before i sent it so i tried memtest and got a very much errors. and on friday i got an email saying that the ram works and that they tested it on 2 differnet comps, so i replied that i ran memtest and it didnt work and they havent wanted to anser to that one yet. The details are: Abit NF7 AMD ATHLON XP 2400+ THOROUGHBRED 2.0 G 128 RAM Club 3D Radeon 9600 VE 256 ram Win xp pro All updates DX 9.0B

Nov 11, 2003, 06:03 PM	#9
blade5545 Shoots first ask's questions later Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Austin,TX Posts: 330 Rep Power: 0	Do this run memtest again and this time when it comes back with results take a picture of the screen with all the failed results then sent them the picture if they still argue with you get your money back and take you business elsewhere, that is bs to charge you for testing the ram __________________ Dell Inspiron 700m 2 ghz Intel Mobile 2mb L2 cache 12.1 Ultrabrite 1.25 gig ram 80gig hdd 8x DVD-RW 4.5lbs 1.5" thick 5 hours battery DFI NF4 Ultra - D AMD Winchester 64 3200+ @4125+ 2.62ghz sold Swiftech H20-120-BB REV. 3 LIQUID COOLING KIT 2x512 OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Dual Channel sold Platinum Rev 2 OCZ POWERSTREAM 520W sold ATI X700 PRO SEAGATE 160GIG SATA Windows XP PRO SP2 / PearPC - Apple OS X 10.2 Unknown "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself."

Nov 11, 2003, 06:54 PM	#10
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Nov 12, 2003, 04:21 AM	#12
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	You gotta be kidding, I know someone that has used windows 2k with 64M of ram for a long time, and its not nearly as fast as my system, but its completely usable. Is XP that much more bloated than 2k?