merlinxi

I AM getting major framerate slow down. And very low scores in 3d mark. Here is my system specs:

P4 2.6 Ghz
1gig of ram DDRAM
Ati Radeon 9600 xt

For instance if I am running Elite force 2, when ONE enemy gets in front of me my framerate drops down to 25!, then two things 15!. I don't know whats going on. I have the p4p8x asus (intel chipset moterboard). I have the latest bios update and inf drivers. I don't know wahts going on. please someone help me. this sucks a high end card and it's acting like crap.
And my resolution is only 1024x768! I have one big problem here and i don't know what it is./

Merlin

Crash Override

Do you have anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering on?

Also the 9600XT is not a high end card.

Its a budget card.

9800XT is a high-end card.

Also is it really ATi or is it PowerColor or Sapphire or Hercules or Giga-Byte or ???

Theres different makers of the cards.


edit- also that is not your system specs.

Thats just your CPU RAM and Video Card

What about power supply? Hard Drive Manufacturer? Sound Card Manufacturer and Model?


When wanting to troubleshoot a system you need to list every detail

craig588

What about the important stuff? You FSB, ram MHZ, and mobo? If you have a old NWA, with cheap 100MHz ram thats where your problems are coming from.

merlinxi

Okay here is my full system specs. And about the 9600 XT being budget that's impossible i have seen people get mark scores of 10k or even 15k and I am getting 3000.

Here is my full specs:

Pentium 4 2.6 GHZ 533 FSB
4 - 256k Ram Each PC 2700 speed
ATI RADEOn 9600 XT
Power Supply is over 600 WATTs
Sound Blaster Live! Platinum!
I have three hard drives, one quantum (6gb)
Two Maxtors (40 Gb and 20GB)

Antistropic filtering if OFF
Anti Aliasing is OFF

merlinxi

bump

Zebra

As for Mark scores, what version of 3DMark? What version are you using? Try AquaMark3 as well. You should be able to get well over 20,000 in AquaMark3 with your setup. Do you have Fast Writes enabled in your BIOS? Does Smartgart show it enabled? What other games are you having problems with? What rendering does your problem game use, D3D or OpenGL? Do you have VSYNC disabled? What refresh rate is your display set at? Run DxDiag and make sure that AGP texturing is enabled. Can we assume that you are running WinXP?

The 9600XT was the top card of it's time. It can perform very well, but, you may have to drop your resolution down to 800X600 to let it perform better.

Comparing benchmark scores with other systems is like comparing apples and oranges. What you need to do is test your own rig, tweak things and see if it improves it or not.

Sorry for all the questions, but the more information you give, the easier it is to help you.

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My current system as of 04/20/06:
M/B: ABIT K8U Socket 754
RAM: 1024MB Corsair Select
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer)
VIDEO: ATI Radeon AIW X800 XT 256MB AGP8X
AUDIO: SB Audigy 2
DISK: Maxtor 7200rpm 200GB 8MB cache SATA drive
DVD/RW: Sony DRU-800A DL Dual Format DVD/CD Burner
CD/RW : TEAC 48X CD Burner
OS: WIN XP PRO w/SP2
VID DRIVERS: Latest Omega Radeon Drivers
PSU: ANTEC 500W

merlinxi

I am using 3d Mark 03
Fast writes option is not available in the bios, the bios is so bare in it's setting i can only set two things Apertaure size and Priority. In the smart gear setting though it does say 8x agp and fastwrites is on.
EVERY GAME that uses character models is having framerate slowdown, EVEN SCHOOL TYCOON, and that's not taht heavy graphics based.
All my games you D3D
Vsync is not enabled.
85hz is my refresh rate
AGP texturing is enabled
I am running win2k
Oh and no matter what resolution i put it on it performs the same EVEN ON 640x480.
Is there a program out thre that i can change my voltage on my AGP slot? Maybe its low, and I CAN"T set it in the bios the bios sucks on this board.

Vinny

Zebra

Win2K is not the best gaming platform out there, but, what's the type of video card you had in there previously? Adjusting the voltage to the AGP card slot will not solve this problem. Are there BIOS updates available for your board? I take it that you are up to date on Direct3D, i.e., 9.0b? What chipset is your board using? Are you using the current chipset drivers? Did all the DXDiag video tests run properly?

Questions, Questions!

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My current system as of 04/20/06:
M/B: ABIT K8U Socket 754
RAM: 1024MB Corsair Select
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer)
VIDEO: ATI Radeon AIW X800 XT 256MB AGP8X
AUDIO: SB Audigy 2
DISK: Maxtor 7200rpm 200GB 8MB cache SATA drive
DVD/RW: Sony DRU-800A DL Dual Format DVD/CD Burner
CD/RW : TEAC 48X CD Burner
OS: WIN XP PRO w/SP2
VID DRIVERS: Latest Omega Radeon Drivers
PSU: ANTEC 500W

merlinxi

I had the GeForce TIT 200, with Xp and it did the same thing
I now have the Radeon 9600 XT with Win2k and it's doing the same thing. (FULL FORMAT) and FRESH INSTALL
I have the latest bios update for my board.
All the tests went correctly.
I am using the Correct INtel 865 chipset INF drivers
I have all Service Pack Updates, and all Extra updates (I.E. DirectX 9.0b)

Please tell me if there is an AGP voltage adjuster i have a feeling and I want to see. I have exhausted everything else it's worth a try.

Vinny

Zebra

Who makes your system board? What model is it? It would sound like you have a driver issue, or a problem with your system board.

I've not heard of a voltage adjusting program in software, just in what the board's bios will let you do.

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My current system as of 04/20/06:
M/B: ABIT K8U Socket 754
RAM: 1024MB Corsair Select
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer)
VIDEO: ATI Radeon AIW X800 XT 256MB AGP8X
AUDIO: SB Audigy 2
DISK: Maxtor 7200rpm 200GB 8MB cache SATA drive
DVD/RW: Sony DRU-800A DL Dual Format DVD/CD Burner
CD/RW : TEAC 48X CD Burner
OS: WIN XP PRO w/SP2
VID DRIVERS: Latest Omega Radeon Drivers
PSU: ANTEC 500W

merlinxi

It's the ASUS P4P8X
Using the Intel 865 Chipset
As I said in the beginning of the post I have all the BIOS and INF updates.

If the board has a problem I am going to just give up because I can't spend another $150 on another board. If it's not that I won't give up, but what say you?

Vinny

merlinxi

Test

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craig588

Hmm, Everything in your system seems to be in order. I'm really lost.

Did you reformat before installing the new card? Have you tried the omega drivers?

merlinxi

When I installed my card everything was fresh.
I have also tried the OMEGA drivers. This is werid right? I swear that I could be cursed because every video card and motherboard I have had, this has always happened to me. I really don't know why.

Vinny

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Zebra

Ok, I found your board's manual. You can adjust the AGP voltage on the Advanced page of the BIOS, select the JumperFree settings and look in there for it. You should also go into the Chipset configuration and set your AGP to 128, and DISABLE spread spectrum if it is on. I would disable spread spectrum first, and see if it helps BEFORE I would turn up the AGP voltage. Personally, I ALWAYS disable any form of spread spectrum on my system boards. EMI is not a problem at home.

Let me know what happens.

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My current system as of 04/20/06:
M/B: ABIT K8U Socket 754
RAM: 1024MB Corsair Select
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer)
VIDEO: ATI Radeon AIW X800 XT 256MB AGP8X
AUDIO: SB Audigy 2
DISK: Maxtor 7200rpm 200GB 8MB cache SATA drive
DVD/RW: Sony DRU-800A DL Dual Format DVD/CD Burner
CD/RW : TEAC 48X CD Burner
OS: WIN XP PRO w/SP2
VID DRIVERS: Latest Omega Radeon Drivers
PSU: ANTEC 500W

No_Style

Try XP. I know it's a hassle to do it all over..but if you try XP at least you can rule out the OS as being the problem. (Yes, I realize Win2K should not have ANY problems with it, but give it a try)

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merlinxi

Same results but I feel we are getting close there has to be a setting in there. SOme setting...

It's right under my nose...

VInny

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merlinxi

Woops posted twice accidently.

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merlinxi

Too add to problems, even my friend with a PCI card gets better results then me! How screwed up is that!

Vinny

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Sterling

When you reformatted your machine, did you make sure to install the most current motherboard drivers before the video card driver? I made that mistake a few times and got horrid scores.

By the way, no one gets 10K in 3dMark03, yet. 10K is a 3dMark 2001 score.

merlinxi

What do you suggest I do? remove my video card drivers, then reinstall the motherboard drivers?

Vinny

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Zebra

How about we look at some things using AIDA32 . Especially the Display and chipset stuff. Let's see what is really enabled.

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My current system as of 04/20/06:
M/B: ABIT K8U Socket 754
RAM: 1024MB Corsair Select
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer)
VIDEO: ATI Radeon AIW X800 XT 256MB AGP8X
AUDIO: SB Audigy 2
DISK: Maxtor 7200rpm 200GB 8MB cache SATA drive
DVD/RW: Sony DRU-800A DL Dual Format DVD/CD Burner
CD/RW : TEAC 48X CD Burner
OS: WIN XP PRO w/SP2
VID DRIVERS: Latest Omega Radeon Drivers
PSU: ANTEC 500W

merlinxi

My chipset information.
----[ AIDA32 (c) 1995-2004 Tamas Miklos ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version AIDA32 v3.90
Author tamas.miklos@aida32.hu
Homepage http://www.aida32.hu
Report Type Quick Report
Computer MERLIN
Generator Administrator
Operating System Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 (Win2000 Retail)
Date 2004-02-10
Time 14:37


--------[ Chipset ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chipset Properties:
Motherboard Chipset Intel Springdale i865P
In-Order Queue Depth 12
CAS Latency 2.5T
RAS To CAS Delay 3T
RAS Precharge 3T
RAS Active Time 7T
PAT Enabled

AC'97 Audio Controller:
Audio Controller Type Intel 82801EB(M) ICH5
Codec Name Unknown
Codec ID FFFFFFFFh

Memory Slots:
DRAM Slot #1 512 MB (DDR SDRAM)
DRAM Slot #2 512 MB (DDR SDRAM)

AGP Properties:
AGP Version 3.00
AGP Status Enabled
AGP Aperture Size 128 MB
Supported AGP Speeds 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x
Current AGP Speed 8x
Fast-Write Supported, Enabled
Side Band Addressing Supported, Enabled

Chipset Manufacturer:
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/chipsets.htm
Driver Download http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/index.htm

GPU INFO:
-----[ AIDA32 (c) 1995-2004 Tamas Miklos ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version AIDA32 v3.90
Author tamas.miklos@aida32.hu
Homepage http://www.aida32.hu
Report Type Quick Report
Computer MERLIN
Generator Administrator
Operating System Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 (Win2000 Retail)
Date 2004-02-10
Time 14:39


--------[ GPU ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Graphics Processor Properties:
Video Adapter ATI Radeon 9600 XT (RV360)
GPU Code Name RV360
PCI Device 1002 / 4152
Transistors 76 million
Process Technology 0.13u
Bus Type AGP
Memory Size 128 MB
GPU Clock 500 MHz
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 4
TMU Per Pipeline 1
Vertex Shaders 4 (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders 1 (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v9.0
Pixel Fillrate 2000 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 2000 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type DDR
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 297 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 594 MHz
Bandwidth 9504 MB/s

Graphics Processor Manufacturer:
Company Name ATI Technologies Inc.
Product Information http://www.ati.com/products/home-office.html
Driver Download http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html

Could this be a problem:

DMA 02 Exclusive Standard floppy disk controller
DMA 03 Exclusive ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
DMA 04 Exclusive Direct memory access controller
IRQ 00 Exclusive System timer
IRQ 01 Exclusive Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
IRQ 03 Shared Communications Port (COM2)
IRQ 04 Shared Communications Port (COM1)
IRQ 05 Shared Multimedia Audio Controller
IRQ 05 Shared Intel(R) 82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3
IRQ 06 Exclusive Standard floppy disk controller
IRQ 08 Exclusive System CMOS/real time clock
IRQ 09 Shared Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
IRQ 13 Exclusive Numeric data processor
IRQ 14 Exclusive Primary IDE Channel
IRQ 15 Exclusive Secondary IDE Channel
************************************************** *********
IRQ 16 Shared Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2
IRQ 16 Shared Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE
IRQ 16 Shared RADEON 9600 SERIES[B]
************************************************** ************
IRQ 18 Shared Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host

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merlinxi

Bumpidity bump.

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Zebra

It could be, are you using some USB devices? I do not know how you can tell Win2K to provide an exclusive interrupt to the video card. Though if you are not using those serial comm ports or printer ports, you should disable them in your system BIOS, then remove them from the device manager. This may get Win2K to use those freed interrupts for that USB.

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My current system as of 04/20/06:
M/B: ABIT K8U Socket 754
RAM: 1024MB Corsair Select
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer)
VIDEO: ATI Radeon AIW X800 XT 256MB AGP8X
AUDIO: SB Audigy 2
DISK: Maxtor 7200rpm 200GB 8MB cache SATA drive
DVD/RW: Sony DRU-800A DL Dual Format DVD/CD Burner
CD/RW : TEAC 48X CD Burner
OS: WIN XP PRO w/SP2
VID DRIVERS: Latest Omega Radeon Drivers
PSU: ANTEC 500W

merlinxi

I really don't know what else to do.

Vinny

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merlinxi

Important Question:

Why do I see a lot of your video cards like:
600/600, doesn't the first one mean 600 MHZ Clock Speed, and the Second the speed of the RAM ??? Because my clock speed is 499 and my ram speed is 300 on the 9600 XT. ??

Vinny

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merlinxi

Breakthrough!:

I used to the driver cleaner to completely get rid of the ATI files and my old video card files, and I reinstalled the INF drivers, and then the graphics driver. i ran 3D mark and battle of proxcon got 10 more FPS, it actually hit 33 on the elevator, IT NEVER hit that on the elevator. I'm getting close but it's still not perfoming as it should.

Vinny

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crapman777

not sure if this affects it, but is your hard drive on the primary ide channel?? and set to master? and is your fsb set correctly on your motherboard? there should be jumpers to set this yes? and is your agp at 8 times in your bios setup? um also u said u had a gforce b4? if so there are certain files that conflict, which are not always removed, they look something like nvs or nv**.dll??

Zebra

Correct, I'm overclocking my 9600XT using Rivatuner. The 660 is the DDR rate, the actual clock is 330 on my card. The GPU is being overclocked at 600Mhz from the 499.

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My current system as of 04/20/06:
M/B: ABIT K8U Socket 754
RAM: 1024MB Corsair Select
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer)
VIDEO: ATI Radeon AIW X800 XT 256MB AGP8X
AUDIO: SB Audigy 2
DISK: Maxtor 7200rpm 200GB 8MB cache SATA drive
DVD/RW: Sony DRU-800A DL Dual Format DVD/CD Burner
CD/RW : TEAC 48X CD Burner
OS: WIN XP PRO w/SP2
VID DRIVERS: Latest Omega Radeon Drivers
PSU: ANTEC 500W