9800XT 128MB RAM Bios files for 9800SE/NP/PRO

DjFlame · Dec 12, 2004, 08:58 AM

so what u say me972?

thiagodm · Dec 12, 2004, 04:15 PM

Just a note for you guys.
I can't understand why you don't edit the xt bios first and put it on the original clock speed of your card, then overclock via software... This can save your card hehehe
:P

DjFlame · Dec 12, 2004, 09:37 PM

well, dude i do run at standard clock speeds atm, i just wanna know hhow do i know when my card is getting too hot, it dont have a temp diode.

me972 · Dec 12, 2004, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjFlame

well, dude i do run at standard clock speeds atm, i just wanna know hhow do i know when my card is getting too hot, it dont have a temp diode.

you cannot.... :-(
I always used to use my finger on the back of the card where the Core is... if it felt to hot for me I would upgrade my cooling... but there is no problem any more ever since I have ArticeCooling on it.. and Im upgrading to a VGA watter block soon... to add to my already working CPU cooling system...

you can never be too cool with electronics... the lower the temps the better thte preformance and the longer the life time...

good luck
me972

p.s. sorry for taking long to answer I wasn't able due to heavy loads at work.

thiagodm · Dec 13, 2004, 12:14 AM

use your finger, if you can let it there for abour 3 seconds or more, you are ok, if something less than that yep it's too hot
:P

Dazza8082 · Dec 13, 2004, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me972

I heard of only one guy that the flash didn't improove his preformance and that was because he had a shity card that could not be clocked to XT speeds.

Dont agree there im afraid, on my pro bios i could oc my card to 490 cpu, 400 mem, ive upgraded the bios and now i cant get it above 454 / 370,
""However"" i have noticed a speed increase clock for clock, ie if i ran with a pro and xt bios at the same speed the xt would win.

Unfortunatly i believe the lower latency memory on an XT is the problem, i get memory slashes even on XT basic speeds, so my advice to people is, its faster yes, but unless your graphics card memory runs at 2.8ns it is generally better and more stable to use your original pro bios

thiagodm · Dec 13, 2004, 05:19 PM

I liked the results when i used, i didn't used all xt speeds but i could see the diference with the same speeds. The problem was that i lost reflection effect on a game (lineage2) lost water reflection, hope i to find a xt bios that don't do that :/

me972 · Dec 13, 2004, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazza8082

Dont agree there im afraid, on my pro bios i could oc my card to 490 cpu, 400 mem, ive upgraded the bios and now i cant get it above 454 / 370,
""However"" i have noticed a speed increase clock for clock, ie if i ran with a pro and xt bios at the same speed the xt would win.

Unfortunatly i believe the lower latency memory on an XT is the problem, i get memory slashes even on XT basic speeds, so my advice to people is, its faster yes, but unless your graphics card memory runs at 2.8ns it is generally better and more stable to use your original pro bios

which means that I was right and the flash worked for you giving you better results all over even though you couldn't get the same clock rates...
mind you that Im sure that I could mod your original PRO BIOS to XT allowing you to o/c to the same speeds and enjoy the benifits ofthe XT optimizations..

I was originaly refering to one case I've heard about that the guy flash to XT and his scores all over were alot less on XT then on PRO....I have no Idea why but thats the story..

as for loosing reflection effects?!?!?! I've never seen that problem before ever with an XT bios flash - this might be driver related meaning you might need a clean install of windows after you flash and then use OMEGA...

Blackboost · Dec 14, 2004, 08:30 AM

me972

Is there any chance that you might be able to modify the latest Cat.12 drivers for our cards just in case Omega doesn't do it?

I would like to see if the HL2 "stuttering" disappears once for all.

That's if you have a chance to work on them. Thanks in advance...

Dazza8082 · Dec 14, 2004, 09:35 AM

intresting, so you believe that with my original bios you can "fix" it to become an xt, but remain as stable as the pro, would i be able to do this? or is it best to post it on over to you? if you wouldnt mind that is?

me972 · Dec 14, 2004, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackboost

me972

Is there any chance that you might be able to modify the latest Cat.12 drivers for our cards just in case Omega doesn't do it?

I would like to see if the HL2 "stuttering" disappears once for all.

That's if you have a chance to work on them. Thanks in advance...

I have no problem in modding the drivers for you but OMEGA adds much more to the original drivers in settings and the control pannel.
OMEGA is back to working on the drivers he just needed some time off I think he's drivers will be out this up coming sunday morning like always...
so do as I do - jus wait for them.
:-)

me972 · Dec 14, 2004, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazza8082

intresting, so you believe that with my original bios you can "fix" it to become an xt, but remain as stable as the pro, would i be able to do this? or is it best to post it on over to you? if you wouldnt mind that is?

I dont mind doing it for you....

you can try doing it if you know what your doing

you can send me the BIOS by email to: me972@hotmail.com

Blackboost · Dec 19, 2004, 07:28 PM

@me972

Could it be possible to fix the Device ID problem that haunts us by editing the BIOS to give the card the same Device ID as an OEM XT?

me972 · Dec 21, 2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackboost

@me972

Could it be possible to fix the Device ID problem that haunts us by editing the BIOS to give the card the same Device ID as an OEM XT?

I dont really get your meaning....

Dazza8082 · Dec 21, 2004, 08:05 PM

hay there, sorry for the delay, ive been a bit busy, anyhow, cheers for the BIOS image im using yours at the moment with no serious problems at your speeds, i cant get my speed up to previous levels but have discovered that aquamark is perhaps not the best benchmark to use, ist so dark u cant see CPU dot errors and memory slashes can also be a problem to see, so there is a good chance my 520 / 960 was not as stable as i thought!!

as for that device ID issue you just mentioned,....what issue? my ID is changed to that of an XT?

Blackboost · Dec 22, 2004, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me972

I dont really get your meaning....

On my case, my device ID changed to something other than to the device of an XT. That wa the problem I was discussing with you via e-mail when I first tried this modification. I believe the fix you sent me to use the Omega Drivers makes the drivers work with my device ID or somethig like that. (corect me if I'm wrong). What I meant to say was that if there is a way to change the device ID on the BIOS so that when I flash it on my card it's already recognized as an XT without needing to use a fix to allow driver packages to work on our cards. I read somewhere else that some owners of 9800 PRO's equipped with the 350 core had to do this in order for their card to be recognized as an XT by windows. Sorry for my ignorance, I'm just trying to find out if this can help us or not.

me972 · Dec 22, 2004, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackboost

On my case, my device ID changed to something other than to the device of an XT. That wa the problem I was discussing with you via e-mail when I first tried this modification. I believe the fix you sent me to use the Omega Drivers makes the drivers work with my device ID or somethig like that. (corect me if I'm wrong). What I meant to say was that if there is a way to change the device ID on the BIOS so that when I flash it on my card it's already recognized as an XT without needing to use a fix to allow driver packages to work on our cards. I read somewhere else that some owners of 9800 PRO's equipped with the 350 core had to do this in order for their card to be recognized as an XT by windows. Sorry for my ignorance, I'm just trying to find out if this can help us or not.

well - SE users can flash to XT bios but have to use OMEGA drivers for their cards to be recognized. its a problem that can't be over come. at least not in a way I'm going to share with you here since some might blow up their cards doing it and I dont want to take the chance.

as for PRO users they only have to flash the bios and the card will always be recognized as XT no matter if they use CAT's or Omega or any other.

it has to do with the way the drivers recognize the first 2 digits of the BIOS and ASIC ID... I wont bore you to death with it....just trust me that its better to wait for every OMEGA release...

Brgds
me972

me972 · Dec 22, 2004, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazza8082

as for that device ID issue you just mentioned,....what issue? my ID is changed to that of an XT?

your clock rate are much too high...you'll burn your card...
520Mhz on core is too much,,,

Blackboost · Dec 24, 2004, 12:13 AM

me 972

I sent you a PM

caleb1 · Dec 27, 2004, 02:47 AM

Yo.

Can you tell me iif my card has any chances for bios mod and will i benefit from it ?

Card is PowerColor 9800se 380/300 ( from bios files on techpowerup.com i think 3.3ns) 8 pipes work flawlessly and my max oc is around 450 / 350.

Colling is zalman passive with 2 fans and some mem sinks.

[EDIT] Samsung mem chips

me972 · Dec 27, 2004, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleb1

Yo.

Can you tell me iif my card has any chances for bios mod and will i benefit from it ?

Card is PowerColor 9800se 380/300 ( from bios files on techpowerup.com i think 3.3ns) 8 pipes work flawlessly and my max oc is around 450 / 350.

Colling is zalman passive with 2 fans and some mem sinks.

[EDIT] Samsung mem chips

Drop me an email to me972@hotmail.com
and send me a backup image of your cards BIOS and I'll send you an XT bios that will do the trick..

Brgds
me972

caleb1 · Dec 29, 2004, 09:24 PM

are you ever online on msn :P i emailed the bios dump btw

me972 · Dec 30, 2004, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleb1

are you ever online on msn :P i emailed the bios dump btw

haven't been home this week at all....sorry about that...
too busy this week.

agenthex · Jan 11, 2005, 06:59 PM

I'm using a (Built by) ATI All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro, and none of the BIOS ROMs you guys have posted worked. Good thing I backed up my chip's BIOS, or I would be in trouble.

Is there a particular revision that is supposed to work for my card, or am I just one of the unlucky few?

me972 · Jan 13, 2005, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agenthex

I'm using a (Built by) ATI All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro, and none of the BIOS ROMs you guys have posted worked. Good thing I backed up my chip's BIOS, or I would be in trouble.

Is there a particular revision that is supposed to work for my card, or am I just one of the unlucky few?

it should work if I mod your original BIOS to XT... send it over by email.
to me972@hotmail.com

rgds
me972

caleb1 · Jan 13, 2005, 12:34 PM

me972 · Jan 13, 2005, 03:44 PM

Caleb1 - whats up?? why are you sad?

caleb1 · Jan 13, 2005, 03:56 PM

You promised me the bios file too

I did send the dump file to you :P

me972 · Jan 14, 2005, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleb1

You promised me the bios file too

I did send the dump file to you :P

re send it.. and I'll do it for you too... I've been very busy and it kind of dropped out of my mind... sorry :-)
and mention your nickname here in your email so I'll remember.

rgds
me972

Gexor · Jan 16, 2005, 10:14 AM

My 9800pro 128mb built by Ati is stable at the standard XT speeds of 412/365 with no artifacting

My question is should I use the BB ATi Samsung XT bios or the Samsun-E XT bios?

Dec 12, 2004, 08:58 AM	#301
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Dec 12, 2004, 09:37 PM	#303
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	well, dude i do run at standard clock speeds atm, i just wanna know hhow do i know when my card is getting too hot, it dont have a temp diode. __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

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Jan 16, 2005, 10:14 AM	#330
Gexor DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Flavour Country Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	My 9800pro 128mb built by Ati is stable at the standard XT speeds of 412/365 with no artifacting My question is should I use the BB ATi Samsung XT bios or the Samsun-E XT bios? __________________ [color=Sienna]This army has a no fool discrimination clause.[/color][color=DarkRed] [/color]

Dec 12, 2004, 04:15 PM	#302
thiagodm HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Just a note for you guys. I can't understand why you don't edit the xt bios first and put it on the original clock speed of your card, then overclock via software... This can save your card hehehe :P

Dec 13, 2004, 12:14 AM	#305
thiagodm HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	use your finger, if you can let it there for abour 3 seconds or more, you are ok, if something less than that yep it's too hot :P

Dec 13, 2004, 05:19 PM	#307
thiagodm HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I liked the results when i used, i didn't used all xt speeds but i could see the diference with the same speeds. The problem was that i lost reflection effect on a game (lineage2) lost water reflection, hope i to find a xt bios that don't do that :/

Dec 14, 2004, 08:30 AM	#309
Blackboost -=[DHzer0point Author]=- Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	me972 Is there any chance that you might be able to modify the latest Cat.12 drivers for our cards just in case Omega doesn't do it? I would like to see if the HL2 "stuttering" disappears once for all. That's if you have a chance to work on them. Thanks in advance...

Dec 14, 2004, 09:35 AM	#310
Dazza8082 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	intresting, so you believe that with my original bios you can "fix" it to become an xt, but remain as stable as the pro, would i be able to do this? or is it best to post it on over to you? if you wouldnt mind that is?

Dec 19, 2004, 07:28 PM	#313
Blackboost -=[DHzer0point Author]=- Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	@me972 Could it be possible to fix the Device ID problem that haunts us by editing the BIOS to give the card the same Device ID as an OEM XT?

Dec 21, 2004, 08:05 PM	#315
Dazza8082 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	hay there, sorry for the delay, ive been a bit busy, anyhow, cheers for the BIOS image im using yours at the moment with no serious problems at your speeds, i cant get my speed up to previous levels but have discovered that aquamark is perhaps not the best benchmark to use, ist so dark u cant see CPU dot errors and memory slashes can also be a problem to see, so there is a good chance my 520 / 960 was not as stable as i thought!! as for that device ID issue you just mentioned,....what issue? my ID is changed to that of an XT?

Dec 24, 2004, 12:13 AM	#319
Blackboost -=[DHzer0point Author]=- Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	me 972 I sent you a PM

Dec 27, 2004, 02:47 AM	#320
caleb1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Yo. Can you tell me iif my card has any chances for bios mod and will i benefit from it ? Card is PowerColor 9800se 380/300 ( from bios files on techpowerup.com i think 3.3ns) 8 pipes work flawlessly and my max oc is around 450 / 350. Colling is zalman passive with 2 fans and some mem sinks. [EDIT] Samsung mem chips

Dec 29, 2004, 09:24 PM	#322
caleb1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	are you ever online on msn :P i emailed the bios dump btw

Jan 11, 2005, 06:59 PM	#324
agenthex HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 66 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I'm using a (Built by) ATI All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro, and none of the BIOS ROMs you guys have posted worked. Good thing I backed up my chip's BIOS, or I would be in trouble. Is there a particular revision that is supposed to work for my card, or am I just one of the unlucky few?

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Jan 13, 2005, 03:56 PM	#328
caleb1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	You promised me the bios file too I did send the dump file to you :P