9800XT 128MB RAM Bios files for 9800SE/NP/PRO

Patriot · Mar 21, 2004, 12:51 AM

How 'bout that...I looked at my Radclocker screen and there it was. Samsung DDR2 P/N blah blah blah. Learn something new everyday I guess. Thanks. I didn't really wanna have to remove a heatsink to find out. I doubt it would really be worth the risk.

Thanks for the help though.

mikeycooly · Mar 21, 2004, 03:06 AM

EDIT I FIXED IT! IT DIDN'T WORK FOR ME IT MIGHT WORK FOR YOU!

megatron · Mar 21, 2004, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mikeycooly
DO NOT USE THE INFERON XT BIOS!! I reflashed my bios back and it won't start I think it just killed the card!!! Ah well i will just buy a Xt

http://forums.ocfaq.com/forumdisplay.php?f=35
Ask here!

me972 · Mar 21, 2004, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by megatron
http://forums.ocfaq.com/forumdisplay.php?f=35
Ask here!

As the owner of a PowerColor 9800SE with Hynix memory chips it was natural for me to look for XT bios files (or moded) that were based on HYNIX, searching almost every forum I could find and www.ocfaq.com I found that all XT originals were base on samsung and that the edited PRO based bios's that were created for this convertion for 128MB ram (as there are no XT with 128MB RAM ) based on hynix, NONE worked!!!! every time I flashed a hynix bios my card stoped working.

there is the posibility of taking your own original bios and moding it to be recognized as an XT, but it all depends on you if your willing to take a bios that hasn't been tested and try on your card. (no actual damage can be cause and you can always reflash using a PCI card).

so I then moved to test a samsung based bios on my card - and It works, and it preforms well. since samsung memory chips are almost always 2.8 - 3.3 nsec and hynix usually have the same specs, they often work and you might even get better memory preformance - like I did, with the samsung bios I can O/C my memory to 800Mhz where as with the hynix original - i couldn't pass 730Mhz with out artifacts.

So - What I ment to say is: I know some of you found other places that deal with moded XT bios files, please be carful as to the links you give other people since you can never know if "new" members know whats the right bios to choose from and whats wrong, also there are no guasreties about thoes bios's.
thats why the bios files a gathered here are better for you to try as I've tested them all on my card and know that they all work fine. (some are faster then others but still they work).

Best regards
Me972
:-)

RaVeNtHx · Mar 21, 2004, 03:19 PM

Any chance for me to flash my ATI Radeon 9800SE AIW GOLD(Saphire) with Samsung (2,8ns)? All 8 Pipes are working correctly

me972 · Mar 21, 2004, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RaVeNtHx
Any chance for me to flash my ATI Radeon 9800SE AIW GOLD(Saphire) with Samsung (2,8ns)? All 8 Pipes are working correctly

are you willing to take a chance with an untested BIOS? are you knowladgable enough to use a PCI card incase the flash goes bad and you need to use a second card to reflash?

cause I can try moding your ORIGINAL bios if you make a backup and send it to me by mail to me972@hotmail.com
if it works then we can all take your bios and post it here as a TESTED bios for all saphire 9800SE/np/pro to use.

its all up to you.. :-)

Thanks and Best regards
me972

p.s. some one sent me a MODED to XT bios for a 128MB hercules 9800 aiw. if you wish to try on your card. meaning that youll have 3 bios files that you can test.

hombre · Mar 21, 2004, 07:01 PM

i have a hercules radeon 9800 se aiw- works with 8 pipes, but i can't overclock it very high...

can i use the flash bios?

thx guys

me972 · Mar 21, 2004, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hombre
i have a hercules radeon 9800 se aiw- works with 8 pipes, but i can't overclock it very high...

can i use the flash bios?

thx guys

Not for now - we dont have a Bios that works for AIW cards.

sorry.

hombre · Mar 21, 2004, 07:55 PM

k, thank you

BWX · Mar 21, 2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by mikeycooly
Oh No!!!! I am posting oh well .........[/url]

....LOL.....

mikeycooly · Mar 21, 2004, 10:59 PM

Nice Cat. I need some Inferon Xt bios anyone?

raid517 · Mar 22, 2004, 04:40 AM

Which card would you guys recommemd (like a NP Radeon card) in order to obtain the best bios flashing results?

GJ

me972 · Mar 22, 2004, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by raid517
Which card would you guys recommemd (like a NP Radeon card) in order to obtain the best bios flashing results?

GJ

the best SE/NP modeble cards (only ones to try it on) are the ones that have a 256bit MEMORY bus the compnies that make them are Saphire and PowerColor - no you'd ask how can you tell if a card has 256 bit bus. well you can phisicly tell by looking at the memory aligment - should be in and L shap around the core . that a look at this page : http://softmod.ocfaq.com/faq.php
the first card on the top has 256 and the second one has 128bit.

as for the next important this - pixel pipe lines. the chances of finding a card that doesn't give you graphics problems when you force the 4 extra pipes to work ar 50%. you better find a dealer that is willing to test the card for you.
I've recently found that the BEST way to test a moded card is to run the new game FARCRY retail (not DEMO!!)
max out all the graphics levels and resolutions and play for about 2 hours - if the card holds out - then your ok. if not, then you'll either have to downclock your card or replace it depending in the problems.

my card for instance can hold any DX8.1 (and lower) game at XT stock spead(and as high as 440/780) and maximum graphics levels for hours.
and gives great bench's BUT when it comes to pure DX9 games like far cry i have to downclock the card to SE stocl clock rates. (i can still play using the best graphics levels and fps are never lower then 50) but still if it wasn't for radlinker that can set the clock rates autimaticly I'd probably get upset about this.
my problem has to do with heat and no AIR cooling helps.

so considering all this if you have no money issues i'd go with 9800pro if you do then make sure you have the nurves to go through the testing faze. you might get lucky but you might end up with a card that gives graphics levels and fps like a 9600. in which case better to buy a 9600XT 256MB.

good luck.
me972.

hombre · Mar 26, 2004, 08:10 AM

did any1 try this bios???
hercules radeon 9800se aiw [xt-bios]

would be great if it would work...

me972 · Mar 26, 2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hombre
did any1 try this bios???
hercules radeon 9800se aiw [xt-bios]

would be great if it would work...

So why dont you try it??
many people would be very happy if some one can give us a good AIW bios that works as an XT...
:-)

hombre · Mar 26, 2004, 03:19 PM

Quote:

So why dont you try it?? many people would be very happy if some one can give us a good AIW bios that works as an XT... :-)

coz i'm a noob and the videocard is the only "good" hardware in my pc... i don't want to risk burning my vga- have to buy other components first

me972 · Mar 26, 2004, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hombre
coz i'm a noob and the videocard is the only "good" hardware in my pc... i don't want to risk burning my vga- have to buy other components first

OK.
:-)

sonob · Mar 30, 2004, 06:20 AM

Whats the difference between the E-die bios and the non E-die?? I cant find anything about it anywhere Or which bios should I use for my Sapphire 9800pro Thanks

Ev!L-aLphA · Mar 30, 2004, 06:36 AM

So guys from my sapphire atlantis radeon 9800 128 mb will it do a big difference? like make speeds faster?? will it make the card hotter?

what does this really do ive never flashed my card before ;/

o and will my card get hot cuz my card is blowing out pretty hot air so im thinking of getting the arctic cooler :P

me972 · Mar 30, 2004, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ev!L-aLphA
So guys from my sapphire atlantis radeon 9800 128 mb will it do a big difference? like make speeds faster?? will it make the card hotter?

what does this really do ive never flashed my card before ;/

o and will my card get hot cuz my card is blowing out pretty hot air so im thinking of getting the arctic cooler :P

hi.
as for the speed - depends on if the bios your flashing has better optimization commands then your original pro does.
yes - you card will get hotter since you'll be runnning it at higher clock rates then normal.
yes - installing arctic cooling VGA silencer is a very good step.(I've done it.) also if you don't already have them - install mempry heat sinks. to keep the memory nice and cool. for that you'll need to install another 80mm fan above the card to blow some cool air onto the mempry heat sinks.

as for the bios you should use - the GigaCube fits almost all cards. try it. if all goes well run some benchmarks . run the card for a few days to see if its ok. - use RivaTunner to downclock the XT stock rates from 412/730 to your pro clock rates and O/c 5 Mhz at a time and between each one run tests...this is done so as not to burn out your card.

make sure you follow and read the instructions on the download page and understand them perfectly. if you dont' then ask us before doing any thing stupid. it would be ashame to kill a PRO card.

good luck
me972

ßùStä· · Apr 3, 2004, 04:27 AM

What BIOS are you currently using on that 9800SE me972?

me972 · Apr 3, 2004, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ßùStä·
What BIOS are you currently using on that 9800SE me972?

on my PowerColor 9800SE I'm currently using the PowerColor XT bios thats in the collection of bios files.

I found that its the fastest bios of the bunch.
all bios files that I've put here have been tested on my card and verified to work well as an XT bios.

Brgds
Me972

ßùStä· · Apr 3, 2004, 07:33 PM

I had a bad BIOS flash when trying to put on the ATi 9800XT Hynix BIOS. I know how to blind flash it, but for some reason it isn't loading up to where it goes into DOS through my boot disk. I tried throwing in another AGP card and it boots fine. I have no spare PCI cards, any ideas?

Btw, this is my current Powercolor 9800SE, I think it has sufficient cooling

Rubber bands have been removed, they were just there until the epoxy was 100% dry:

raid517 · Apr 3, 2004, 08:18 PM

Only one. Get a PCI graphics card. You need it for exactly situations like this. If you don't have one and can't afford to buy one, you can always borrow one from a large retail chain store (the kind that don't argue too much when you take things back) and find a fault with it and get any money you pay refunded. Perhaps I shouldn't admit it, but this is something I have done in an emergency - and I took the card back because I no longer had a use for it.

As for your cooler I have done similar, though if the heatsink is too heavy it will stress the contact points on the AGP card and may cause some graphical anomalies all of it's own. You may have to work out a way of giving additional support to your card when using a heatsink of that size. Unfortunately having epoxied it on, you may well have to live with it. You should perhaps have opted to drill some holes and just screw the HSF on. You could then have used arctic silver thermal compound and would probably have achieved far better cooling results that would be possible through using (non thermal?) epoxy. It would also have allowed to to undo any mistakes.

Those I'm afraid are my only suggestions.

GJ

ßùStä· · Apr 3, 2004, 08:34 PM

The epoxy is only on the metal shim in the 4 corners, so it makes no contact with the actual chip. I have thermal paste and I have been getting better O/Ced results with it. Before I tried flashing, I had my card at 435/735.

Hmm, damn I guess I have to go find a place to get a PCI card. I have so many old parts, but no PCI video cards. It's sad

raid517 · Apr 3, 2004, 08:52 PM

Yes but it could still be the HSF that is causing the problems. It doesn't matter if it doesn't show up right away - these problems have a habit of sometimes appearing to come out of nowhere.

Try to see if you can find any way to give the card some more additional temporary support - and see if it makes any difference at all. This is not just an empty unfounded suggestion, it is something I have personally experience myself in the past.

It may not work, but it is worth a try.

Also screws are much better because you can control much more precisely the degree of contact you have with the GPU. Just be sure if you ever do do it that you use those small little plastic standoffs, or plastic washers, so that the screws never come into direct contact with the card.

Regards,

GJ.

BWX · Apr 3, 2004, 11:22 PM

Why would anyone put ram chip coolers on only one side of a card?

me972 · Apr 3, 2004, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BWX232
Why would anyone put ram chip coolers on only one side of a card?

maybe cause he didn't realize that he needed to do that?

instead of making fun lets teach him - BUSTA - as my freind BWX232 said you realy should install RAM sinks on your memory chips on the other side of your card. dont O/C your memory with out them for 24q7 use so as not to take the chance of burning them out.

you have to get a PCI card form a local store for 5$ or something - make sure your using the command
FLASHROM -p 0 -F XTROM.BIN

good luck.
me972

BWX · Apr 3, 2004, 11:43 PM

wtf? I wasn't making fun. I figured anyone doing those level mods would have some reason for only putting them on one side... and that of course they would already know that both sides needed cooling....

ßùStä· · Apr 4, 2004, 01:17 AM

People don't even realize that you will gain a mere 3mhz with RAM sinks. Simple answer is, I don't have enough, but I'll have more soon. You do not need them on both sides, also considering that if you look at my first picture, I have an extra case fan that I stood up on the back of the video card and is blowing cold air on it.

Mar 21, 2004, 12:51 AM	#31
Patriot DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Michigan, USofA Posts: 217 Rep Power: 0	How 'bout that...I looked at my Radclocker screen and there it was. Samsung DDR2 P/N blah blah blah. Learn something new everyday I guess. Thanks. I didn't really wanna have to remove a heatsink to find out. I doubt it would really be worth the risk. Thanks for the help though. __________________ For those who stand guard, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

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RaVeNtHx DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Any chance for me to flash my ATI Radeon 9800SE AIW GOLD(Saphire) with Samsung (2,8ns)? All 8 Pipes are working correctly Last edited by RaVeNtHx; Mar 21, 2004 at 03:25 PM.

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sonob DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Whats the difference between the E-die bios and the non E-die?? I cant find anything about it anywhere Or which bios should I use for my Sapphire 9800pro Thanks __________________ CPU - AMD Opteron 165 @ 2358 MHz MB - Epox 9NPA+ SLI RAM - OCZ DDR500 2x1GIG Video Card - ATI Radeon Sapphire X1800XT @ stock

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Ev!L-aLphA \| n f e c t e D Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,111 Rep Power: 60	So guys from my sapphire atlantis radeon 9800 128 mb will it do a big difference? like make speeds faster?? will it make the card hotter? what does this really do ive never flashed my card before ;/ o and will my card get hot cuz my card is blowing out pretty hot air so im thinking of getting the arctic cooler :P __________________ R.I.P 8/8/04 4/21/08

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hombre DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Berlin Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	i have a hercules radeon 9800 se aiw- works with 8 pipes, but i can't overclock it very high... can i use the flash bios? thx guys

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hombre DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Berlin Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	k, thank you

Mar 21, 2004, 10:59 PM	#41
mikeycooly DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 99 Rep Power: 0	Nice Cat. I need some Inferon Xt bios anyone?

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raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Which card would you guys recommemd (like a NP Radeon card) in order to obtain the best bios flashing results? GJ

Mar 26, 2004, 08:10 AM	#44
hombre DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Berlin Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	did any1 try this bios??? hercules radeon 9800se aiw [xt-bios] would be great if it would work...

Apr 3, 2004, 04:27 AM	#51
ßùStä· DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	What BIOS are you currently using on that 9800SE me972?

Apr 3, 2004, 07:33 PM	#53
ßùStä· DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	I had a bad BIOS flash when trying to put on the ATi 9800XT Hynix BIOS. I know how to blind flash it, but for some reason it isn't loading up to where it goes into DOS through my boot disk. I tried throwing in another AGP card and it boots fine. I have no spare PCI cards, any ideas? Btw, this is my current Powercolor 9800SE, I think it has sufficient cooling Rubber bands have been removed, they were just there until the epoxy was 100% dry:

Apr 3, 2004, 08:18 PM	#54
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Only one. Get a PCI graphics card. You need it for exactly situations like this. If you don't have one and can't afford to buy one, you can always borrow one from a large retail chain store (the kind that don't argue too much when you take things back) and find a fault with it and get any money you pay refunded. Perhaps I shouldn't admit it, but this is something I have done in an emergency - and I took the card back because I no longer had a use for it. As for your cooler I have done similar, though if the heatsink is too heavy it will stress the contact points on the AGP card and may cause some graphical anomalies all of it's own. You may have to work out a way of giving additional support to your card when using a heatsink of that size. Unfortunately having epoxied it on, you may well have to live with it. You should perhaps have opted to drill some holes and just screw the HSF on. You could then have used arctic silver thermal compound and would probably have achieved far better cooling results that would be possible through using (non thermal?) epoxy. It would also have allowed to to undo any mistakes. Those I'm afraid are my only suggestions. GJ Last edited by raid517; Apr 3, 2004 at 08:43 PM.

Apr 3, 2004, 08:34 PM	#55
ßùStä· DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	The epoxy is only on the metal shim in the 4 corners, so it makes no contact with the actual chip. I have thermal paste and I have been getting better O/Ced results with it. Before I tried flashing, I had my card at 435/735. Hmm, damn I guess I have to go find a place to get a PCI card. I have so many old parts, but no PCI video cards. It's sad

Apr 3, 2004, 08:52 PM	#56
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Yes but it could still be the HSF that is causing the problems. It doesn't matter if it doesn't show up right away - these problems have a habit of sometimes appearing to come out of nowhere. Try to see if you can find any way to give the card some more additional temporary support - and see if it makes any difference at all. This is not just an empty unfounded suggestion, it is something I have personally experience myself in the past. It may not work, but it is worth a try. Also screws are much better because you can control much more precisely the degree of contact you have with the GPU. Just be sure if you ever do do it that you use those small little plastic standoffs, or plastic washers, so that the screws never come into direct contact with the card. Regards, GJ.

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BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Why would anyone put ram chip coolers on only one side of a card? __________________

Apr 3, 2004, 11:43 PM	#59
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	wtf? I wasn't making fun. I figured anyone doing those level mods would have some reason for only putting them on one side... and that of course they would already know that both sides needed cooling.... __________________

Apr 4, 2004, 01:17 AM	#60
ßùStä· DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	People don't even realize that you will gain a mere 3mhz with RAM sinks. Simple answer is, I don't have enough, but I'll have more soon. You do not need them on both sides, also considering that if you look at my first picture, I have an extra case fan that I stood up on the back of the video card and is blowing cold air on it.