9800XT 128MB RAM Bios files for 9800SE/NP/PRO

me972 · Apr 12, 2004, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reaps
Just benched with the Gigacube driver... same performance as b4

Going back to my orig bios until i get my new cooling...

As you Wish my friend, as long as your happy... :-)

keep us posted when you get the new cooling as to what O/C improvments you got and your bench results.

bye for now.
me972

reaps · Apr 15, 2004, 08:41 PM

Got my new cooling today (arctic silencer) when i was installing it i was suprised to find that the chip on my 9800 pro is a r360 which i'm guessing never passed quality as an XT. Good news i thought

The max core speed i found to cause no artifacts (using ati tool) is 400 and the max mem is 360 which is rather good. It's not true XT speeds but it's as close to as i can get.

All in all it's a good oc from my stock speeds, just a bit disappointed i couldn't get the full 410/365 but i can live with it

Junka told me all about the horror stories about the silencer but it installed without a hitch and i'm rather happy. Hopefully in the next few days the AS3 will lower the temp some more

Reaps

me972 · Apr 15, 2004, 10:33 PM

cool .... keep us posted if the coller lets you o/c to XT speeds.

good luck.
me972

reaps · Apr 15, 2004, 11:04 PM

Nah think 400/360 is my max... don't think it's going to give me anymore...

Reaps

deki20 · Apr 25, 2004, 09:02 AM

@me972

pls, help...
sorry, my English is too bad...

I have Powercolor 9800Se, 128Mb, 256-bit, Hynix 2,8ns
I was tried softmod without luck...
My XP wan`t boot with softmoded drivers...

What do you mean, can I try flash BIOS, or don`t /because don`t work with softmod.../

what I am doing?

Thanks....

deki20

me972 · Apr 25, 2004, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by deki20
@me972

pls, help...
sorry, my English is too bad...

I have Powercolor 9800Se, 128Mb, 256-bit, Hynix 2,8ns
I was tried softmod without luck...
My XP wan`t boot with softmoded drivers...

What do you mean, can I try flash BIOS, or don`t /because don`t work with softmod.../

what I am doing?

Thanks....

deki20

Well - dont be alarmed yet, cause the problem with windows could be because of bad entries in your registry.
what you need to do first is uninstall any ATI, NVIDIA or any other drivers from your system using the
the driver cleaner (from Driver Heaven) - Here

and then while in windows - with normal VGA drivers running reinstall OMEGA drivers using the soft mod option (3rd)
and then reboot and see what happens.
if it loads normaly then you can start O/C-ing to test isf your card can hold the XT clock rates
if it doesn't then something is realy wrong with the 4extra pipes on your card - and we both now know why it was
called SE. in this case if you have the option of replacing it then do it, I can't imagine you'd get a worse card then that.
if you cann't then all I can say is that you still have a card that out preforms the 9600 class so for the price you paid
your still ok with most games.
keep me updated we might solve this one for you.

Rgds Me972

p.s.
what country are you from deki??

deki20 · Apr 25, 2004, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by me972

p.s.
what country are you from deki?? [/B]

Belgrade, Serbia....

I will try

regards

deki20

Pale_Freak · Apr 26, 2004, 09:34 PM

Hi' everybody

Just a simple question;

I own a Sapphire 9800SE AiW and got my eye on the "Hercules 9800SE 128MB "XT" BIOS" from here (http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm). But will this bios work on my Sapphire when it's for a different brand (Hercules) ?

Best regards and thanks in advance
Pale Freak

me972 · Apr 27, 2004, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pale_Freak
Hi' everybody

Just a simple question;

I own a Sapphire 9800SE AiW and got my eye on the "Hercules 9800SE 128MB "XT" BIOS" from here (http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm). But will this bios work on my Sapphire when it's for a different brand (Hercules) ?

Best regards and thanks in advance
Pale Freak

Hi.
I've checked the bios for you and the BIOS ID number is as should be for a 9800XT but that doesn't mean it will work.
you'r only option is to get a PCI card as a back up in case your card goes bad and you can't boot with it. read the manual from the first post.

Keep up updated cause if it works as an AIW 9800XT bios, then we might have some good news for AIW-SE owners out there..

brgds Me972.

Pale_Freak · Apr 27, 2004, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by me972
Hi.
I've checked the bios for you and the BIOS ID number is as should be for a 9800XT but that doesn't mean it will work.
you'r only option is to get a PCI card as a back up in case your card goes bad and you can't boot with it. read the manual from the first post.

Keep up updated cause if it works as an AIW 9800XT bios, then we might have some good news for AIW-SE owners out there..

brgds Me972.

Thank you so much for the help so far

.
I'll get on with it as soon as I get a PCI card (should be around tomorrow) and also a better cooler, cause I'm not to thrilled to try XT specs with my stock cooler

I've just ordered a VGA silencer rev. 2 (we haven't got the rev.3 in Denmark yet, apparently) that's hopefully gonna be here about thursday.

Do I need to cool down the ram too? They're Samsung brand and 2.8 ns.

Oh yeah, what about the pipeline thingy? I normally unlock the last 4 (8 in total) with software. Will I still have to do that after the bios flash?

me972 · Apr 27, 2004, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pale_Freak
Do I need to cool down the ram too? They're Samsung brand and 2.8 ns.
bios flash? [/B]

Yes, it would be better to add MEM sinks for better cooling of your memory. (cooled electronics are happy electronics

)

Quote:

Originally posted by Pale_Freak
Oh yeah, what about the pipeline thingy? I normally unlock the last 4 (8 in total) with software. Will I still have to do that after the
bios flash? [/B]

Yes - you'll still have to use the omegadrivers for the soft mod - since the 4 pipes are disabled at the hardware level, there is a way to turn them on for good but its a risk that I personaly think to great as long as we are all blessed with the help of OMEGA and his fine work OmegaDrivers.

One more thing - have you tested is you card can hold XT clock rates right now? what i think you should do is
run FARCRY at 1280X1024 with AA and AF are at X6 and X16 and the AF is enabled in the games config at max levels.
it doesnt matter if the game is running at low FPS at this point. what you need to check is if your card can hold this settings
with all 8 pipes at normal speeds and if so, O/C to XT speeds and then do the same. if all is well then your mod is perfect.
else you might have to downclock the card in some or all cases. in which case there is no point in flashing to XT.
each test with FARCRY should be run for at least an houre.
if you can't get your hands on FARCRY you can use Colin Mcrae 4. both games are very heavy on shaders and will
very quickly tell you if the card cant handle the mod cause you'll get bad graphics or artifacts.

be paitient with each step you take!! dont rush things always test test test.

Good luck.
Me972.

Pale_Freak · May 3, 2004, 07:28 PM

Finally!!!

I've finally got time this weekend to look into this bios flashing of my Sapphire 9800SE AiW, 2.8 samsung......
(Got the bios here: http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm)

AND IT WORKED!!!

Running nice and smooth at "411,something something" on the core and "364,something something" on the memory.

All cooled down with a VGA silencer and some ramsinks for the memory. Core running at 49-50 on full load.

So everyone else who has a 9800AiW card (be that a SE, NP or PRO) and knows it can run at XT speeds should give it a try. It worked for me so maybe it will also work for you

Best regards
Pale Freak

me972 · May 3, 2004, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pale_Freak
Finally!!!

I've finally got time this weekend to look into this bios flashing of my Sapphire 9800SE AiW, 2.8 samsung......
(Got the bios here: http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm)

AND IT WORKED!!!

Running nice and smooth at "411,something something" on the core and "364,something something" on the memory.

All cooled down with a VGA silencer and some ramsinks for the memory. Core running at 49-50 on full load.

So everyone else who has a 9800AiW card (be that a SE, NP or PRO) and knows it can run at XT speeds should give it a try. It worked for me so maybe it will also work for you

Best regards
Pale Freak

Thank you very much for your help.. I think many AIW owners will benifit from this.

and enjoy your new AIW XT .

Plealse use this LINK to download your AIW bios file.

Rgds me972.

Kokennin8262 · May 9, 2004, 04:00 AM

Hey guys, I bought a Dell computer about a year ago, and it came with a Radeon 9800np 128mb. I'm trying to figure out what brand my card is, I read the earlier posts and read that it's on the video card itself, unfortunately i'm knew to this, so i'd appreciate if someone could explain to me where on the video card i can find the manufacturer. Also i saw that a lot of people were only talking about their SE card, if someone could explain to me the difference i'd appreciate that as well. Thanks in advance for your time and help.

Kokennin8262 · May 9, 2004, 11:49 PM

Sorry I got another question to add to that, I looked at the card and on the card it said Samsung 316 under that it said, k4d26323ra gc2a...I'm not sure if that means anything, but it was said in an earlier post to look there. So i'm going to test to see how far i can O/c before i start getting artifacts. But i was wondering if anyone knew which kind of bios i could use, based on that information if any at all thanks again in advance for your help.

nikola61 · Jun 19, 2004, 10:23 AM

hi
sorry. my English is too bad but I think you understand me
I have 3dclub 9800se 128mb,256 bit ,and memory I don't know which,

I was tried softmod 4.6 without luck....My XP boot with softmoded drivers but when I try to run 3dmark 2003 sistem reset....can I try flash BIOS.....
or can you sent me BIOS....nikola61@yubc.net
thanks....

tedy · Jun 27, 2004, 04:09 PM

Hey me972 thanks for all info..

I got same card as you do..Hynix 2.8ns.....So what do you think flashing it from SE@PRO to XT ?

One problem tho...i don't have other cooling beside stock...waiting for SILENCER REV3....
And Atitool find max core and mem gave me like 390/355......not good, eh ?

And also don't have any PCI card in case anything goes wrong while flashing....

Any suggestion how to get better overclock results ?

Thanks

tedy · Jul 1, 2004, 11:56 PM

no answers ?

Furious1 · Jul 2, 2004, 01:28 AM

Stock cooling bad.

Get better Cooling = Better overclock

Yes flash it if it can make XT speeds and has a R360 Core. 412/365.

Read back in this thread for info on Guides and Bios sites.

terminatertom · Jul 4, 2004, 05:13 AM

Hi there,

Which XT Bios would i use to flash for a Powercolor 9800pro 128mb with Hynix Chips..

Furious1 · Jul 4, 2004, 07:16 PM

Try the Club3D one here.

And maybe the Sapphire if that doesnt work.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/X...128/index.html

Test all XT speeds First. Make sure you have good Cooling and back up old Bios. AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE R360 Chip.

me972 · Jul 6, 2004, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tedy
no answers ?

Hi every one....sorry for the disapearing act I pooled on you... but I moved last week and had 3 exsams at uni (last one in 2 says) so except for the fact that I have no internet connection at home yet I haven't had time to come in and check on you even if I did have the connection...

I'm currenty in an internet coffee shop for 5 minuts so I though I'd let you know that I'll be back at the end of the week..

I already answered all of the PM you've sent me but I haven't the time to answer your questions here...

I have some great news to tell you when I come back for people who have problems with the mod..

hope you can wait for a few days.

see ya ..

rgds
me972

~~werty316~~ · Jul 8, 2004, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by terminatertom
Hi there,

Which XT Bios would i use to flash for a Powercolor 9800pro 128mb with Hynix Chips..

You could try http://www.ocfaq.com/softmod/index.php

me972 · Jul 8, 2004, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious1
Test all XT speeds First. Make sure you have good Cooling and back up old Bios. AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE R360 Chip. [/B]

Why in gods name would you comment on some thing you have no idea about?!

there is no need for the chip to be a R360, sure you might be lucky if you have but there is almost no diff between
the r350 and r360,,, my card and many many other 9800np/pro/se have a R350 chip and been successful in modding the card to XT...

on another issue....to all you Hynix memory card owners.... all you need, is to make sure your mem chips are the
2.8n model and then you can use any of the Samsung bios that i've attached to the bios page (first post).

this is due to the fact that it is very very hard to find a moded 128MB hynix BIOS file.
I've heard of only a couple that tried these bios files and it worked for them.
my hynix mem 9800SE won't even boot with any of the hynix XT moded bioses..

so take care and work slowly step by step as the guide says.

backup your old bios and make sure you have a PCI card around just in case something goes wrong.

Brgds
me972

Furious1 · Jul 8, 2004, 09:53 PM

There is a Difference.

A R360 Chip will Score higher at Same Clock Speeds. Because it can use Sharder Optimisations that the R350 Can NOT.

Also a R350 Chip can not have Temp Sensor or Overdrive and will show Artifacts in Some games if you flash to XT bios not that there is any point since overclocking will get same as bios flashing.

And some else to think about is the Newer cards now with R360's on XT PCBs are straight out 9800XT's. You are not modding it, you are just unleasing what is already there. Here is some Score Comparsions.

R360 9800PRO Bios @ Default = 5700

R350 9800PRO Bios @ Default = 5700

R360 9800PRO Bios @ XT Clock Speeds (412/365) = 6250

R350 9800PRO Bios @ XT Clock Speeds (412/365) = 6250

R350 9800XT bios @ Default XT Speeds (412/365) = 6250

R360 9800XT Bios @ Default XT Speeds (412/365) = 6778

A R360 will gain between 350 - 600 3Dmark03 and more in 3Dmark01, just from a bios Flash because of the Optimisations in drivers that only the R360 core can use. This is why a R360 chip will always outscore a R350 at same clock speeds. This is why I beat you me972 without Overlocking ANYTHING in my System. :P

Also if you hynix Ram dont bother using Samsung Bios's, that is just looking for trouble. Just use the bios that matchs your Cards Memory, you might wanna try different makers of bios's but use same Memory bios's.

Hynix and Samsung Bios's, for 128mb 9800PROs.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/X...128/index.html

me972 · Jul 8, 2004, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious1
There is a Difference.

A R360 Chip will Score higher at Same Clock Speeds. Because it can use Sharder Optimisations that the R350 Can NOT.

Also a R350 Chip can not have Temp Sensor or Overdrive and will show Artifacts in Some games if you flash to XT bios not that there is any point since overclocking will get same as bios flashing.

And some else to think about is the Newer cards now with R360's on XT PCBs are straight out 9800XT's. You are not modding it, you are just unleasing what is already there. Here is some Score Comparsions.

R360 9800PRO Bios @ Default = 5700

R350 9800PRO Bios @ Default = 5700

R360 9800PRO Bios @ XT Clock Speeds (412/365) = 6250

R350 9800PRO Bios @ XT Clock Speeds (412/365) = 6250

R350 9800XT bios @ Default XT Speeds (412/365) = 6250

R360 9800XT Bios @ Default XT Speeds (412/365) = 6778

A R360 will gain between 350 - 600 3Dmark03 and more in 3Dmark01, just from a bios Flash because of the Optimisations in drivers that only the R360 core can use. This is why a R360 chip will always outscore a R350 at same clock speeds. This is why I beat you me972 without Overlocking ANYTHING in my System. :P

Also if you hynix Ram dont bother using Samsung Bios's, that is just looking for trouble. Just use the bios that matchs your Cards Memory, you might wanna try different makers of bios's but use same Memory bios's.

Hynix and Samsung Bios's, for 128mb 9800PROs.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/X...128/index.html

The fact that you've given us all these beutiful facts has nothing to do with the remark you gave earlier where you told people they had to have an R360 Chip...and this is what I commented on...
to the fact that YOU DONT NEED AN R360 CHIP!!! and that an 350 will do just great....
and the reason I'm saying this is cause some people on this plannet aren't as lucky as you to get a Pro or an SE card that have an r360 chip ...
and having a 350 chip and reading your comments they might think that they have no chance of modding the card..
this mod along with the OMEGA softmod is intended for those of us that last year didn't have the 300-500USD to buy a
9800PRO or XT card and found a great way to get a card that is almost as good..

as for the test results where your card beat mine.?!?!? who the hell cares...
I'm happy with my card and so are many other people who happen to use this forum thread.

as for the hynix or samsung bios - I tested all the bios files that I've put here on my card and this is why I can promiss any one here that asks that they do indeed work. where as you are giving people links to bios files that no one can comment on and answer an honest question - DO THEY WORK?

being a newbie and modding a card don't mix well together, mistakes are made. so its better to follow some one that can help if any problems pop up and do the same steps that worked for others...this is what I've tried to do here...

share all that i've learned and help others do the same..

good luck with your great card...have fun with it..

Best rgds.
Me972

Furious1 · Jul 8, 2004, 11:48 PM

I agree...it is just you really arnt modding a R350 into a XT, you are just overclocking it. Where as a R360 is going to be a fully functional XT. Plus alot of people really do get errors from R350 Flashed with XT bios. Also they really would get same proformance if they just overclocked their card.

Is there a point of Flashing R350? You can just overclock it to get the same ablitly?

This way there is less chance of ppl ruining there good cards and that if they dont flash?

I mean I spose if you really want to and like to experiment and play around, why not, it is fun to try and get the most out of your card that you can.

but for people that dont know alot and are here researching to get more out of their card...

A good idea is to only flash if you have R360??

the R350's gernerally overclock better and get better scores anyway just from Voltmod and Overclock with good cooling...so by all means if you have R350 be happy with it....just for new people, need to know that flashing a XT bios if you have R350 chip will most likely produce no proformance gain and artifacts....

There are guys with highest scores are R350's getting 8000+ 3Dmarks and they are doing that with older 9800pro/se's that have voltmods, really good cooling and they get really really good overclocks....I dont think a R360 could do that. However for average person a quick flash following the rokjak guide will get them a 9800XT for cheap and the card if it is a R360 will really benifit from it. I am not saying R360 is better or Worse then R350 just different and different ways to get best proformance out of them...

lol...sry for starting arguement over nothing

people will learn from all this about there 9800 cards???

me972 · Jul 9, 2004, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious1
Is there a point of Flashing R350? You can just overclock it to get the same ablitly?

well I dontknow how much you've experimented on bios files...but beleave me that i've tried them all...
and what I've found is that the moded XT bios gives better results at the same clock rates.
and I'm talking about 200 points in 3dmark ..

this is due to the simple fact that the memory timing and volts and maybe some other stuff are much more optimized.
this is for the better optimizations on the R360 chip..
that if your R350 can handle them then your in luck..

so infact flashing a better bios WILLl give you better results for the same rate..

and when it comes to Overclocking the card. on my 9800SE with its original bios I can only O/c safly to 440/750 core/mem
but when using the XT bios I can reach 470/815 core/mem. this is only with aditional air cooling blowing at the VGA silencer Ver 3 I have on my card.

I'm not saying that these speeds are for 24/7 but having benched at these high speeds I was able to reach over 50K in
aquamark, which i consider to be a better test then 3Dmark cause this tests all the system and not just the card.
as for 3dmark I've checked that ORB and my scores are higher then most XT's at the same speeds.

well thats it for now.

rgds
Me972.

P.s.
it wasn't an argument that we had...it was a cool discusion.. :-)

tedy · Jul 9, 2004, 08:53 PM

damn you all with so high clocks

me972 · Jul 9, 2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tedy
damn you all with so high clocks

its not something that we can choose....its just luck .

Apr 15, 2004, 08:41 PM	#92
reaps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Got my new cooling today (arctic silencer) when i was installing it i was suprised to find that the chip on my 9800 pro is a r360 which i'm guessing never passed quality as an XT. Good news i thought The max core speed i found to cause no artifacts (using ati tool) is 400 and the max mem is 360 which is rather good. It's not true XT speeds but it's as close to as i can get. All in all it's a good oc from my stock speeds, just a bit disappointed i couldn't get the full 410/365 but i can live with it Junka told me all about the horror stories about the silencer but it installed without a hitch and i'm rather happy. Hopefully in the next few days the AS3 will lower the temp some more Reaps __________________

Apr 15, 2004, 10:33 PM	Thread Starter #93
me972 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 696 Rep Power: 0	cool .... keep us posted if the coller lets you o/c to XT speeds. good luck. me972 __________________ Intel 2600K - ASRock Fatality1 Pro(Gen3) -16GB Ram 8-8-8-24 - M4 128GB

Apr 15, 2004, 11:04 PM	#94
reaps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Nah think 400/360 is my max... don't think it's going to give me anymore... Reaps __________________

Jul 2, 2004, 01:28 AM	#109
Furious1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 0	Stock cooling bad. Get better Cooling = Better overclock Yes flash it if it can make XT speeds and has a R360 Core. 412/365. Read back in this thread for info on Guides and Bios sites. __________________ [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff][color=darkred]P4 @ 3.4E (243 FSB) MSI Neo2 865PE Neo2-PLS Sapphire x800 XT-PE Kingston 1 GB DDR466 2x SATA 80GB 7200RPM[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color] [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff]3Dmarks03 = 12763 3Dmarks05 = 5804[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

Jul 4, 2004, 07:16 PM	#111
Furious1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 0	Try the Club3D one here. And maybe the Sapphire if that doesnt work. http://koti.mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/X...128/index.html Test all XT speeds First. Make sure you have good Cooling and back up old Bios. AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE R360 Chip. __________________ [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff][color=darkred]P4 @ 3.4E (243 FSB) MSI Neo2 865PE Neo2-PLS Sapphire x800 XT-PE Kingston 1 GB DDR466 2x SATA 80GB 7200RPM[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color] [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff]3Dmarks03 = 12763 3Dmarks05 = 5804[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

Apr 25, 2004, 09:02 AM	#95
deki20 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	@me972 pls, help... sorry, my English is too bad... I have Powercolor 9800Se, 128Mb, 256-bit, Hynix 2,8ns I was tried softmod without luck... My XP wan`t boot with softmoded drivers... What do you mean, can I try flash BIOS, or don`t /because don`t work with softmod.../ what I am doing? Thanks.... deki20

Apr 26, 2004, 09:34 PM	#98
Pale_Freak DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Hi' everybody Just a simple question; I own a Sapphire 9800SE AiW and got my eye on the "Hercules 9800SE 128MB "XT" BIOS" from here (http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm). But will this bios work on my Sapphire when it's for a different brand (Hercules) ? Best regards and thanks in advance Pale Freak

May 3, 2004, 07:28 PM	#102
Pale_Freak DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Finally!!! I've finally got time this weekend to look into this bios flashing of my Sapphire 9800SE AiW, 2.8 samsung...... (Got the bios here: http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm) AND IT WORKED!!! Running nice and smooth at "411,something something" on the core and "364,something something" on the memory. All cooled down with a VGA silencer and some ramsinks for the memory. Core running at 49-50 on full load. So everyone else who has a 9800AiW card (be that a SE, NP or PRO) and knows it can run at XT speeds should give it a try. It worked for me so maybe it will also work for you Best regards Pale Freak

May 9, 2004, 04:00 AM	#104
Kokennin8262 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Hey guys, I bought a Dell computer about a year ago, and it came with a Radeon 9800np 128mb. I'm trying to figure out what brand my card is, I read the earlier posts and read that it's on the video card itself, unfortunately i'm knew to this, so i'd appreciate if someone could explain to me where on the video card i can find the manufacturer. Also i saw that a lot of people were only talking about their SE card, if someone could explain to me the difference i'd appreciate that as well. Thanks in advance for your time and help.

May 9, 2004, 11:49 PM	#105
Kokennin8262 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Sorry I got another question to add to that, I looked at the card and on the card it said Samsung 316 under that it said, k4d26323ra gc2a...I'm not sure if that means anything, but it was said in an earlier post to look there. So i'm going to test to see how far i can O/c before i start getting artifacts. But i was wondering if anyone knew which kind of bios i could use, based on that information if any at all thanks again in advance for your help.

Jun 19, 2004, 10:23 AM	#106
nikola61 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: belgrade Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	hi sorry. my English is too bad but I think you understand me I have 3dclub 9800se 128mb,256 bit ,and memory I don't know which, I was tried softmod 4.6 without luck....My XP boot with softmoded drivers but when I try to run 3dmark 2003 sistem reset....can I try flash BIOS..... or can you sent me BIOS....nikola61@yubc.net thanks....

Jun 27, 2004, 04:09 PM	#107
tedy DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	Hey me972 thanks for all info.. I got same card as you do..Hynix 2.8ns.....So what do you think flashing it from SE@PRO to XT ? One problem tho...i don't have other cooling beside stock...waiting for SILENCER REV3.... And Atitool find max core and mem gave me like 390/355......not good, eh ? And also don't have any PCI card in case anything goes wrong while flashing.... Any suggestion how to get better overclock results ? Thanks

Jul 1, 2004, 11:56 PM	#108
tedy DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	no answers ?

Jul 4, 2004, 05:13 AM	#110
terminatertom DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Hi there, Which XT Bios would i use to flash for a Powercolor 9800pro 128mb with Hynix Chips..

Jul 8, 2004, 09:53 PM	#115
Furious1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 0	There is a Difference. A R360 Chip will Score higher at Same Clock Speeds. Because it can use Sharder Optimisations that the R350 Can NOT. Also a R350 Chip can not have Temp Sensor or Overdrive and will show Artifacts in Some games if you flash to XT bios not that there is any point since overclocking will get same as bios flashing. And some else to think about is the Newer cards now with R360's on XT PCBs are straight out 9800XT's. You are not modding it, you are just unleasing what is already there. Here is some Score Comparsions. R360 9800PRO Bios @ Default = 5700 R350 9800PRO Bios @ Default = 5700 R360 9800PRO Bios @ XT Clock Speeds (412/365) = 6250 R350 9800PRO Bios @ XT Clock Speeds (412/365) = 6250 R350 9800XT bios @ Default XT Speeds (412/365) = 6250 R360 9800XT Bios @ Default XT Speeds (412/365) = 6778 A R360 will gain between 350 - 600 3Dmark03 and more in 3Dmark01, just from a bios Flash because of the Optimisations in drivers that only the R360 core can use. This is why a R360 chip will always outscore a R350 at same clock speeds. This is why I beat you me972 without Overlocking ANYTHING in my System. :P Also if you hynix Ram dont bother using Samsung Bios's, that is just looking for trouble. Just use the bios that matchs your Cards Memory, you might wanna try different makers of bios's but use same Memory bios's. Hynix and Samsung Bios's, for 128mb 9800PROs. http://koti.mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/X...128/index.html __________________ [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff][color=darkred]P4 @ 3.4E (243 FSB) MSI Neo2 865PE Neo2-PLS Sapphire x800 XT-PE Kingston 1 GB DDR466 2x SATA 80GB 7200RPM[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color] [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff]3Dmarks03 = 12763 3Dmarks05 = 5804[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

Jul 8, 2004, 11:48 PM	#117
Furious1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 0	I agree...it is just you really arnt modding a R350 into a XT, you are just overclocking it. Where as a R360 is going to be a fully functional XT. Plus alot of people really do get errors from R350 Flashed with XT bios. Also they really would get same proformance if they just overclocked their card. Is there a point of Flashing R350? You can just overclock it to get the same ablitly? This way there is less chance of ppl ruining there good cards and that if they dont flash? I mean I spose if you really want to and like to experiment and play around, why not, it is fun to try and get the most out of your card that you can. but for people that dont know alot and are here researching to get more out of their card... A good idea is to only flash if you have R360?? the R350's gernerally overclock better and get better scores anyway just from Voltmod and Overclock with good cooling...so by all means if you have R350 be happy with it....just for new people, need to know that flashing a XT bios if you have R350 chip will most likely produce no proformance gain and artifacts.... There are guys with highest scores are R350's getting 8000+ 3Dmarks and they are doing that with older 9800pro/se's that have voltmods, really good cooling and they get really really good overclocks....I dont think a R360 could do that. However for average person a quick flash following the rokjak guide will get them a 9800XT for cheap and the card if it is a R360 will really benifit from it. I am not saying R360 is better or Worse then R350 just different and different ways to get best proformance out of them... lol...sry for starting arguement over nothing people will learn from all this about there 9800 cards??? __________________ [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff][color=darkred]P4 @ 3.4E (243 FSB) MSI Neo2 865PE Neo2-PLS Sapphire x800 XT-PE Kingston 1 GB DDR466 2x SATA 80GB 7200RPM[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color] [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff]3Dmarks03 = 12763 3Dmarks05 = 5804[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color] Last edited by Furious1; Jul 9, 2004 at 01:46 AM.

Jul 9, 2004, 08:53 PM	#119
tedy DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	damn you all with so high clocks