9800XT 128MB RAM Bios files for 9800SE/NP/PRO

Ryuujin · Jul 15, 2004, 05:08 AM

Would it be a good idea for me to flash my card to the standards of an 9800 XT, when I don't have any additional cooling for my card, just using the default fan on the card? If not, what would be sufficient cooling? I'm new to OC and flashing BIOS' but I'd like to try getting the most out of my card, since I dont spend money often on new parts

Edit: Also has Samsung 256bit memories on it ^_^

me972 · Jul 15, 2004, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryuujin
Would it be a good idea for me to flash my card to the standards of an 9800 XT, when I don't have any additional cooling for my card, just using the default fan on the card? If not, what would be sufficient cooling? I'm new to OC and flashing BIOS' but I'd like to try getting the most out of my card, since I dont spend money often on new parts

Edit: Also has Samsung 256bit memories on it ^_^

Well before falshing your card to XT there are a few tests that you can do to test if the card can hold the XT upgrage
as it is right now install and run ATITOOL then overclock the card to 412Mhz core and 730 Mhz mem and
press the lower right button that says "Show 3D view" to open the greaphics window (incase it didn't open automaticly)
then chage the size of the rotating box window to about 1X1 Cm to let the FPS go up to about 1200 - 1400 FPS
depending on your system and let it run like this for about an houre....if the graphics stays perfect then you can
do the upgrade with no worries...
BUT - (and keep a close look at the screen) if the graphics gos bad and the screen starts to mess up then close ATI immidiatly and forget about the flash cause your card wont hold it.

and theres another BUT - depending on your Motherboard - if there is an aplication that can monitor your boards voltages
keep a close eye on the 3.3V while ATI tool is running cause if the graphics gets fucked up and you see the 3.3V going
down below 3.1 then the card is not the problem but rather you Power Suply needs changing...

This last bit is twice as important for all 9800SE moders too - cause going from 4 pipes to 8 pipes demandes additional
juice from the PSU that it might not be ready to give..

I had a problem with my upgraded SE and I thought that my mod killed the card but i found that it was a problematic
500Watts PSU - so I replaced it. and now every thing is back to normal and I can finaly go back to playing CM4 and FarCry at max Res ...

as for the cooling of the card - I would urge you to upgrade to VGA silencer Ver.3 and adding some MEM sinks along with an aditional 80mm fan on top running at medium speeds just to push some cool air through the mem sinks.

GOOD LUCK.
me972

caleb1 · Jul 20, 2004, 08:57 PM

Yow guys

Im pretty confused about if to flash or not to flash :O
My Video Card is Sapphire 9800se 128mb 256bit with 325 / 277
(Infineon 3.3) clocks.

I have a AMD CPU Heat sink attached to it along with memory sinks that i made myself out of Thermaltake Memory Heatsink. They look pretty much as any other mem coolers out there. I am able to get 430/320 clocks
jeez that memory sux... but i could pick the card so i have 8 pipelines fully operational. The only thing thats buggy is that i get some small "red dots" around shadow corners in Raven Shield (UT engine) but there are none in Raven Shield. I have a score of 5850 in 3dmark atm. How much could i benefit from flashing it into XT. And which bios worked for you guys.. that memory sux if i had 2.8ns i would try it already. The card is on 9700 PCB. And guys at www.ocfaq.com say you have to Hard Mod it before trying to flash.

thx for answers.

me972 · Jul 20, 2004, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by caleb1
Yow guys

Im pretty confused about if to flash or not to flash :O
My Video Card is Sapphire 9800se 128mb 256bit with 325 / 277
(Infineon 3.3) clocks.

I have a AMD CPU Heat sink attached to it along with memory sinks that i made myself out of Thermaltake Memory Heatsink. They look pretty much as any other mem coolers out there. I am able to get 430/320 clocks
jeez that memory sux... but i could pick the card so i have 8 pipelines fully operational. The only thing thats buggy is that i get some small "red dots" around shadow corners in Raven Shield (UT engine) but there are none in Raven Shield. I have a score of 5850 in 3dmark atm. How much could i benefit from flashing it into XT. And which bios worked for you guys.. that memory sux if i had 2.8ns i would try it already. The card is on 9700 PCB. And guys at www.ocfaq.com say you have to Hard Mod it before trying to flash.

thx for answers.

If I were you I wouldn't...

caleb1 · Jul 20, 2004, 11:01 PM

can you give me a bigger though about it :O

me972 · Jul 21, 2004, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by caleb1
can you give me a bigger though about it :O

the memory on your card is just too slow. you would get to many problems with this card then you need.
you have 8 Pipes with OmegaDrivers then leave it at that. just O/c as much as you can and thats it.
changing the BIOS changes the timings and volts to most of the components on the card and all the XT bios file are a strain even on 2.8 sec mem chips on SE or Pro card. and your planing to flash a 3.3 card...
all you'll end up doing all the time is downclock the card - and this is if in fact the card will even boot..
all this for what ? just to see the name XT in your settings?!? you can do this by editing the INF files of the drivers before installl he he he... :-)

in any case the cost of a 9800Pro 128 MB ram is now so low that you might even think of getting one...
think about it :-)

good luck
Me972

p.s.
if you do decide to flash it make sure you have a PCI card around in case of problems.

caleb1 · Jul 21, 2004, 04:05 PM

bough this one a month ago :O
^^
k ill stick to what you say... maybe ill resell this card and get other one if the shop agrees...

Prod1702 · Jul 27, 2004, 07:07 PM

ok i jsut did all the flashiing i did it with ATIFLASH and i did it with FLASHROM and both times when i come back into windows it still tells me my card is a 9800 Pro and the clock speeds are a 9800 Pro clock speeds what could be goign wrong.

add: after looking around i found this that points to that i cannt make my 9800Pro into a 9800XT unless there is something that i am stil doing wrong.

me972 · Jul 27, 2004, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prod1702
ok i jsut did all the flashiing i did it with ATIFLASH and i did it with FLASHROM and both times when i come back into windows it still tells me my card is a 9800 Pro and the clock speeds are a 9800 Pro clock speeds what could be goign wrong.

add: after looking around i found this that points to that i cannt make my 9800Pro into a 9800XT unless there is something that i am stil doing wrong.

the only way that your card is not madble is if you've got the last card where all the mem chips are aligned on top of the GPU in a row...otherwise all the cards in that article are modble and what they've written there about some of the cards not being moded is BULL since I have a 350 core and a hynix mem and I've flashed my card with XT bios for samsung mem.
so?!? I'm not realy sure about that article.
in any case tell me which card is yours and maybe we can help... :-)

Me972

Prod1702 · Jul 28, 2004, 04:59 PM

i got it to work, but i had to change the name of the file. I didnt know that dos didnt like long names so i changed the file name to 9800.bin and it worked. I am goig nto do some benchmarks now and see if anything changed. Tahnks for all the help.

me972 · Jul 28, 2004, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prod1702
i got it to work, but i had to change the name of the file. I didnt know that dos didnt like long names so i changed the file name to 9800.bin and it worked. I am goig nto do some benchmarks now and see if anything changed. Tahnks for all the help.

he He ...I was just about to reply to your PM to me and sudjest that you rename the file.. and then I took a look at the post and saw this... good. i'm glad it worked,

post the bench scores so we can see if you get better preformance...

Good Luck
me972

Prod1702 · Jul 28, 2004, 11:32 PM

yea it sucked i had to flash back to 9800 Pro. What happen was whenever i went into 3dmark03 to test the card even with the clock speeds set at 9800 Pro speeds. I get mad artfacts with the lighting in game test 2. I tryed all 6 of the bios in the folder the power color ones didnt even like windows. The only thing i havent tryed yet is the Omega drivers. I used the Made by ATI ones. When i was goig nto try the Omega ones, i was on the power color bios and like i said they didnt like windows. SO if the ati ones didnt work my guess is hte Omegas wont. So if there is anything that you can think of trying to make it so the artfacts go away with the 9800XT bios i am up for trying it but until than i am jsut going to overclock to 9800XT clock speeds and not flash it.

add: I also used the ATI 4.6 drivers since the 4.7 ones dont like me and cs so maybe there was something work with the 4.6 drivers that i didnt know about in 3dmark never know.

Furious1 · Jul 29, 2004, 06:55 AM

If you have a R350 then forget about bios Flashing, there is no/minimal gain with flashing a R350. Just overclock it.

Nearly all people who flash a R350 end up with Artifacts. me972 seems to be a exception, still just go back to original bios since you are getting artifacts.

R350 gains nothing from Sharder Optimisations in the 9800XT bios/drivers, Since the chip can not run them. However the R360 CAN use the Sharder optimisations and this is why if you have a R360 you should Flash it and if you have a R350 just overclock.

Furious1 · Jul 29, 2004, 07:08 AM

Oh and I am just going to cut and paste the Way to get the Best FPS out of your 9800 for CS.

USE OMEGA DRIVERS, they have a special CS opengl driver (from ati 3.2 I think) Much faster for CS.

Dont set rates to high if you are NOT on Cable.

If you ping over 50 in most Servers.

Play with

Rate 8999 -11999
cl_updatrate 45 - 55
cl_cmdrate 55 - 65

Just move them up and down. See what happens.

Otherwise alot ppl on Cable say play with

rate 20000
cl_updarate 101
cl_cmdrate 101

Just work out what is best for you.

Do not set one to 10. They are how oftern the server refreshes with you and how oftern you refresh with the server. You want them up high without lagging or choke.

FPS.

Refresh Force.

http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rf/

You run it once. It will use your registory to lock your monitor at its FASTEST refresh rate for all of the resolutions it can operate at.

Make sure you have Monitor Drivers installed so the program knows what the maxs refresh rates are.

Next Step is Fastest Drivers. If you have ATi, the lastest Omega Drivers come with a Faster Opengl driver.

Omega is based on Cat 4.7 and the Opengl driver is the Fastest One ATi has ever Made, from like Cat 3.2 or something and has been included in Omega as a Choice for SPECIAL opengl. NGO made it and it is Much Faster then standard.

http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati/win2k_xp.php

These are Two know issues with Omega that everyone needs to know how to fix.

**************
Important Notes:
1. If you are using an Omega soft-mod and you are experiencing crashes, black screens, artifacts or the "check board effect" during game play, run the new included Driver Swapper utility and select the Normal driver, the reason is that your card is not accepting the soft-mod due to broken/incompatible hardware.

2. Using Special OGL file: Since this OGL file has some small bugs, if you got video corruption in Counter-Strike, all you need to do is to add "-32bpp" to the game's command line or set it up in Launch Options (CS 1.6 + CS:CZ). The game will run FASTER and look better than using 16bit color.

**************

Then go to http://www.newgenerationorder.org/

Download one of the config files, delete stuff in the config you dont want like the Autobinds and autobuy and that. I sujest if you have REALLY bad FPS get the Fastest one, looks like **** but will run best. If you have a ok Graphics Card get the Next one up, way better quality still good FPS.

You might want to delete Commands and Scripts in the config that will override controls and other things you have. If you dont know how to. Just delete everything in userconfig EXCEPT the stuff under GRAPHICS heading, and transfer anything in your Userconfig.cfg to this one.

Change the Rate, cl_updarate, cl_cmdrate in this userconfig.cfg file to what you worked out was best for you.

That is Everything you need to do. Play with VSYNC on. Unless you are getting really bad FPS.

Also have all settings in display settings set to HIGH proformance.

There.

Prod1702 · Jul 29, 2004, 08:08 AM

I flashed my card back to 9800XT i was reading a post http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=35514
and those ppl had hte same problem but it is only in 3dmark03 with game tests 2 and 3. There isnt problems with games and other benchmarks. so i am goig nto try some far cry out and see how it goes if i get artfacts in that than yes i will flash back but if i dont than i am goign to leave it. I like the 9800XT name, and any help i can get with out buying a X800 is something.

me972 · Jul 29, 2004, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prod1702
I flashed my card back to 9800XT i was reading a post http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=35514
and those ppl had hte same problem but it is only in 3dmark03 with game tests 2 and 3. There isnt problems with games and other benchmarks. so i am goig nto try some far cry out and see how it goes if i get artfacts in that than yes i will flash back but if i dont than i am goign to leave it. I like the 9800XT name, and any help i can get with out buying a X800 is something.

I forgot to mention that from flash to flash you have to make sure that winows is running on VGA drivers cause if windows is still on the PRO drivers and you come back with an XT bios that might cause problems. I had the same thing at the begining and I thought that the flash was bad. so I falshed back and then red a post some where about the driver cleaner and ran it and then reflashed and all was well I have no idea why but still it worked.
some of the issues you might be getting might be from tight timings that need to be a little more relaxed. if you wish.
you can send me your original BIOS by email and I'll take a look at the timings I might be able to convert your original BIOS to XT...if you wish we can try that.

other then that some of the problems might be due to the PSU in your system and I'm not just saying that cause a a couple of mounths ago I thought my card had died since nothing worked with it any more..I got crazy artifacts and greaphics problems..so sadly I went back to 4 PIPEs and the original BIOS...I thought I had lost it all...
but then by mistake I left the ASUS prob (that monitors mobo volts and stuff) on while playing farcry and just as the greaphics went bad on me I heard the ASUS prob's alarm going on and then I switched over and found that my PSU even though it was a 450Watt PSU had lost some of the voltage on the 3.3V rail and it had went down lower then 3.1Volts

and the card had worked fine only when the volts were above 3.25V. so I went out and baught a new PSU a 550Watt monstar that even under the most heavy shit I can throw at it with the highest O/C's wont even go once under 3.3
and now the card is back to its full potential and even the O/C speeds are up...
I can now ran benchs for short times at 470/812 core/mem ...
so you see there are many things to consider...

as for some people that keep saying that flashing PRO and SE to XT gives nothing - thats rubish, since all the timings in an XT BIOS are much tighter then the others...its like having DDR timings at 3-4-4-8 and then have them at 2-2-2-5...which is faster?!?! you answer me... I bet every one that has some knowladge in memory timings can answer that.
and the XT bios hs some tighter timings for the core it self also ...so all in all - thses people are wrong!!!
and if your lucky enogh with you card and the bios you've used you get a card that has a much hight O/C potential then the older BIOS... and its NOT ONLY MY CARD...since I've helped dozens of people here that have even been in contact with me via messenger and got scores higher then me...

best of luck to all
me972.

Ryuujin · Jul 30, 2004, 04:47 PM

I tried clocking up my card using ATITool, raising the core with 5mhz and then running 3dmark01SE to heat it up, only the game tests. I got it up to 420 without any artifacts, but when I checked for artifacts in atitool, i got lots, and had to clock it down to 405 to be safe. So which should I believe, 3dmark or ATITool? Should I run 3dmark03 instead for more accurate results?

Club 3D Radeon 9800 NP with Samsung 3.2 BGA RAM
Default speeds 324/290

me972 · Jul 30, 2004, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryuujin
I tried clocking up my card using ATITool, raising the core with 5mhz and then running 3dmark01SE to heat it up, only the game tests. I got it up to 420 without any artifacts, but when I checked for artifacts in atitool, i got lots, and had to clock it down to 405 to be safe. So which should I believe, 3dmark or ATITool? Should I run 3dmark03 instead for more accurate results?

Club 3D Radeon 9800 NP with Samsung 3.2 BGA RAM
Default speeds 324/290

there is a level where you can o/c you card to rates that wont hang the system and wont give you any visible graphics problems but the artifacts are infact there .. meaning that the card is stressed...
I wouldn't run you specific card at XT speeds since the memory is very slow and wont be able to hold it with out finaly burning out.

try your card at PRO speeds...if it can hold it at that speeds then leave it be. and enjoy a PRO card.

I wouldn't flash to XT in your case cause of the memory. :-(

ledzep · Aug 10, 2004, 02:01 PM

hi all,
just read the whole thread nad i have some comments and questions.
coments:
very importante after a VGA bios flash on any card is to first before the flash uninstall the graphic drivers and if posible the GART VGA driver (the driver that tell your motherboard how to run the AGP slot) then reboot to safemod and run driverclener and cabcleaner and clear the recicle bin.
only then reboot the system into dos with the flash floppy you made and run the flash. after the flash is done reboot into windows and make sure you reinstall the GART driver before you install the graphic drivers.
this will give better benches and game scores compared to just flashing and reinstalling the graphic drivers, (i tested this with a gigacube 9800pro flash)

questions:
what about the ATI built 9800 PRO 128MB with R350 core with Samsung 8E-GC2A memory ? thats the card i have and i can run it on stock bios with the ATI silencer and ram sinks at 440/370 on benchmarks with no problem , it can be run stable at 430/365 while gaming. can i flash it to XT'zyd bios? if yes which bios i should look into?
also if i get this right th XT flash will give me higher oc rates posibilities?

@me972 im thinking of getting a better PSU as im suspecting it to be the cause of randon lockups and reboots on my winXP (350w crappy israeli made psu with 1 fan, bought it for 140 shekels.) can you please tell me what PSU you got and where you got it and in what price?
550w sounds good to me and im sure you did all the research allready

thanks , lz.

me972 · Aug 10, 2004, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ledzep

hi all,
just read the whole thread nad i have some comments and questions.
coments:
very importante after a VGA bios flash on any card is to first before the flash uninstall the graphic drivers and if posible the GART VGA driver (the driver that tell your motherboard how to run the AGP slot) then reboot to safemod and run driverclener and cabcleaner and clear the recicle bin.
only then reboot the system into dos with the flash floppy you made and run the flash. after the flash is done reboot into windows and make sure you reinstall the GART driver before you install the graphic drivers.
this will give better benches and game scores compared to just flashing and reinstalling the graphic drivers, (i tested this with a gigacube 9800pro flash)

questions:
what about the ATI built 9800 PRO 128MB with R350 core with Samsung 8E-GC2A memory ? thats the card i have and i can run it on stock bios with the ATI silencer and ram sinks at 440/370 on benchmarks with no problem , it can be run stable at 430/365 while gaming. can i flash it to XT'zyd bios? if yes which bios i should look into?
also if i get this right th XT flash will give me higher oc rates posibilities?

@me972 im thinking of getting a better PSU as im suspecting it to be the cause of randon lockups and reboots on my winXP (350w crappy israeli made psu with 1 fan, bought it for 140 shekels.) can you please tell me what PSU you got and where you got it and in what price?
550w sounds good to me and im sure you did all the research allready

thanks , lz.

well regarding you comments. thanks for that, but we already know that before every change or step you make you uninstall the drivers. run driver cleaner in safe mode and then reboot to DOS and do the flash. he he ..

as for the O/C on your card - try and run very heavy games like doom3 and FARCRY for over 2 hours...cause using AIR cooling I dont think its realy safe for you to run your card at 430Mhz 24/7... this will burn your card very quickly.
as for the PSU - 350Watts??? are you crazy!!?!??? don't just go to replace it..run...and run as fast as you can. I got a 550Watt PSU for about 260 Shekels from a freind of mine who is a dealer...but I think you should contact ZigZag and ask them. anything less then 450Watts is too low.
as for testing it. if you have a voltmetter or a program that can monitor the voltage on your mother board...make sure you check the 3.3Volt
cause if under heavy graphics and CPU tests it goes under 3.1 your dead.

run Prime95 and ATITOOL together for about 2 hours...this should stress you system to the limits... you should have 4 programs running.
1 - task manager - CPU ussage
2 - ATI TOOL 0.20
3 - Prime95
4 - System monitoring program for your mother board. to monotor 3.3V.

if suring the test you see the 3.3 under 3.1 your PSU is to blame since bothe the R9800Pro and CPU make use of the voltage. at least thats how it is on my system and replacing the PSU solved my problem.

good luck.
me972

ledzep · Aug 10, 2004, 11:40 PM

hi me762
looks like my psu is not even 350w but more like 300w
i looked around in zigzag , logicPC and zap but the prices for the 550w psu are around 800nis , thats really expensive , i think i would be better with a 450-480w psu at around 550-650nis , unless you can get me some better deal with your friend? (please please

)

ok this is exactly what is written on my PSU it looks more like 300W.

maker : HEC
AC INPUT: 115/230V 50-60HZ FuseRating T6.3AH 230V-
DC OUTPUT: +3.3V +5V +12V -5V -12V +5Vsb
MAX.A: 20A 30A 15A 0.5A 0.8A 2A

+5V&+3.3V combined 180W
Total Output 300W

tegarding the overclocking i never leave my card overclocked while system is idle or when im not playing , i use ATItool or 3Dprof to lounch a profile when i start gaming.

so what bios is the best for my card you never told me

TIA , lz

me972 · Aug 11, 2004, 08:08 AM

which brand is your card?

ledzep · Aug 11, 2004, 09:26 AM

ATI built 9800 PRO 128MB with R350 core with Samsung 8E-GC2A memory

me972 · Aug 11, 2004, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ledzep

ATI built 9800 PRO 128MB with R350 core with Samsung 8E-GC2A memory

you can use almost any one of the BIOS files in the ZIP file i've attached.
the GigaCube and PowerColor are best....test each one to see which gives you the best results.

speedster_tpc · Aug 15, 2004, 05:07 PM

@me972: i successfully flashed my r9800se to 9800xt thanks to your guide. my question is, can my card have temperature monitoring just like those of the 9800xt's?

me972 · Aug 16, 2004, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedster_tpc

@me972: i successfully flashed my r9800se to 9800xt thanks to your guide. my question is, can my card have temperature monitoring just like those of the 9800xt's?

unfortunatly not, only the latest R9800Pro with 256MB ram and R360 chips have the temp Diod installed, so only on them can you use a TRUE XT bios that knows how to work with this diod.

and as for a successful MOD....good on you...
enjoy every second of it..

Best Regards
Me972

speedster_tpc · Aug 16, 2004, 05:28 PM

well, to sad =(. but hey, the jump from se to xt sure is one hell of a catch. anyways, tahnks again.

huh?? · Aug 28, 2004, 08:52 PM

to tell the truth is will be the first time i have ever flashed a card.. but have done considerable amount of reading and think i know what im doing...

but just to be sure.....

I have a HIS excalibur IceQ 9800 Pro 128
i took of the cooling unit and my chip is a R360
I have also o/c the card with ATItool. Using find max it clocked to 430/360ish but while playing games im concervative running at 415/355 and there is no problems playing doom3 for 3 hours. (at high settings 1024x768 w/ aa)

i would like to flash it to an XT but not sure which bios to use
also me972 there was mention of a guide of yours where is that?
and being a 128Mb it wont have the thermal diod?

any help would be greatly apreciated

CruNcher · Aug 28, 2004, 09:17 PM

what for memory hynix or samsung ? if it has Samsung 2.86ns you can use my tweaked bios here

[color=#800080]http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthread.php?t=54146[/color]

huh?? · Aug 29, 2004, 09:43 PM

how can i tell which memory i have??
i'd rather not have to take off the heat sinks... i read that if i "dump" the bios using ATItool i could check it by changing the bin file to a .txt file and opening it... its suppose to say in the first few lines, but it didnt

also it kind of worries me that it is reading as a R350 when i took of the blower the writing directly on the chip said it was a R360....

(heres the first few lines of the txt)
RADEON 9800 113-A07533-100 BIOS
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this is kinda frustrating.... so any help would be appreciated

also id rather flash it with actual xt bios as opposed to a modified one so i can gain all possible benefits

thx

Jul 15, 2004, 05:08 AM	#121
Ryuujin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	3D Club Radeon 9800 128mb NP Would it be a good idea for me to flash my card to the standards of an 9800 XT, when I don't have any additional cooling for my card, just using the default fan on the card? If not, what would be sufficient cooling? I'm new to OC and flashing BIOS' but I'd like to try getting the most out of my card, since I dont spend money often on new parts Edit: Also has Samsung 256bit memories on it ^_^ Last edited by Ryuujin; Jul 15, 2004 at 10:58 PM.

Jul 27, 2004, 07:07 PM	#128
Prod1702 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Eagan, MN Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	ok i jsut did all the flashiing i did it with ATIFLASH and i did it with FLASHROM and both times when i come back into windows it still tells me my card is a 9800 Pro and the clock speeds are a 9800 Pro clock speeds what could be goign wrong. add: after looking around i found this that points to that i cannt make my 9800Pro into a 9800XT unless there is something that i am stil doing wrong. __________________ Core 2 Q6600 GO @ 3.75ghz/1.42v Thermaltake ToughPower 1000W Thermaltake Armor Series Black Case LITE-ON 20X DVD burner SATA WD 2x320 SATA 3gb Raid 0 Win 7 64bit 7200 Evga 780i P07 bios Evga 2x8800GTX Superclocked 655/1680/2160 Corsair Dominator 4x1gb PC2 8500 5-5-5-14 2T Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1 Last edited by Prod1702; Jul 27, 2004 at 08:55 PM.

Jul 28, 2004, 04:59 PM	#130
Prod1702 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Eagan, MN Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	i got it to work, but i had to change the name of the file. I didnt know that dos didnt like long names so i changed the file name to 9800.bin and it worked. I am goig nto do some benchmarks now and see if anything changed. Tahnks for all the help. __________________ Core 2 Q6600 GO @ 3.75ghz/1.42v Thermaltake ToughPower 1000W Thermaltake Armor Series Black Case LITE-ON 20X DVD burner SATA WD 2x320 SATA 3gb Raid 0 Win 7 64bit 7200 Evga 780i P07 bios Evga 2x8800GTX Superclocked 655/1680/2160 Corsair Dominator 4x1gb PC2 8500 5-5-5-14 2T Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1

Jul 28, 2004, 11:32 PM	#132
Prod1702 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Eagan, MN Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	yea it sucked i had to flash back to 9800 Pro. What happen was whenever i went into 3dmark03 to test the card even with the clock speeds set at 9800 Pro speeds. I get mad artfacts with the lighting in game test 2. I tryed all 6 of the bios in the folder the power color ones didnt even like windows. The only thing i havent tryed yet is the Omega drivers. I used the Made by ATI ones. When i was goig nto try the Omega ones, i was on the power color bios and like i said they didnt like windows. SO if the ati ones didnt work my guess is hte Omegas wont. So if there is anything that you can think of trying to make it so the artfacts go away with the 9800XT bios i am up for trying it but until than i am jsut going to overclock to 9800XT clock speeds and not flash it. add: I also used the ATI 4.6 drivers since the 4.7 ones dont like me and cs so maybe there was something work with the 4.6 drivers that i didnt know about in 3dmark never know. __________________ Core 2 Q6600 GO @ 3.75ghz/1.42v Thermaltake ToughPower 1000W Thermaltake Armor Series Black Case LITE-ON 20X DVD burner SATA WD 2x320 SATA 3gb Raid 0 Win 7 64bit 7200 Evga 780i P07 bios Evga 2x8800GTX Superclocked 655/1680/2160 Corsair Dominator 4x1gb PC2 8500 5-5-5-14 2T Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1

Jul 29, 2004, 06:55 AM	#133
Furious1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 0	If you have a R350 then forget about bios Flashing, there is no/minimal gain with flashing a R350. Just overclock it. Nearly all people who flash a R350 end up with Artifacts. me972 seems to be a exception, still just go back to original bios since you are getting artifacts. R350 gains nothing from Sharder Optimisations in the 9800XT bios/drivers, Since the chip can not run them. However the R360 CAN use the Sharder optimisations and this is why if you have a R360 you should Flash it and if you have a R350 just overclock. __________________ [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff][color=darkred]P4 @ 3.4E (243 FSB) MSI Neo2 865PE Neo2-PLS Sapphire x800 XT-PE Kingston 1 GB DDR466 2x SATA 80GB 7200RPM[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color] [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff]3Dmarks03 = 12763 3Dmarks05 = 5804[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

Jul 20, 2004, 08:57 PM	#123
caleb1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Yow guys Im pretty confused about if to flash or not to flash :O My Video Card is Sapphire 9800se 128mb 256bit with 325 / 277 (Infineon 3.3) clocks. I have a AMD CPU Heat sink attached to it along with memory sinks that i made myself out of Thermaltake Memory Heatsink. They look pretty much as any other mem coolers out there. I am able to get 430/320 clocks jeez that memory sux... but i could pick the card so i have 8 pipelines fully operational. The only thing thats buggy is that i get some small "red dots" around shadow corners in Raven Shield (UT engine) but there are none in Raven Shield. I have a score of 5850 in 3dmark atm. How much could i benefit from flashing it into XT. And which bios worked for you guys.. that memory sux if i had 2.8ns i would try it already. The card is on 9700 PCB. And guys at www.ocfaq.com say you have to Hard Mod it before trying to flash. thx for answers.

Jul 20, 2004, 11:01 PM	#125
caleb1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	can you give me a bigger though about it :O

Jul 21, 2004, 04:05 PM	#127
caleb1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	bough this one a month ago :O ^^ k ill stick to what you say... maybe ill resell this card and get other one if the shop agrees...

Jul 29, 2004, 07:08 AM	#134
Furious1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 0	Oh and I am just going to cut and paste the Way to get the Best FPS out of your 9800 for CS. USE OMEGA DRIVERS, they have a special CS opengl driver (from ati 3.2 I think) Much faster for CS. Dont set rates to high if you are NOT on Cable. If you ping over 50 in most Servers. Play with Rate 8999 -11999 cl_updatrate 45 - 55 cl_cmdrate 55 - 65 Just move them up and down. See what happens. Otherwise alot ppl on Cable say play with rate 20000 cl_updarate 101 cl_cmdrate 101 Just work out what is best for you. Do not set one to 10. They are how oftern the server refreshes with you and how oftern you refresh with the server. You want them up high without lagging or choke. FPS. Refresh Force. http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rf/ You run it once. It will use your registory to lock your monitor at its FASTEST refresh rate for all of the resolutions it can operate at. Make sure you have Monitor Drivers installed so the program knows what the maxs refresh rates are. Next Step is Fastest Drivers. If you have ATi, the lastest Omega Drivers come with a Faster Opengl driver. Omega is based on Cat 4.7 and the Opengl driver is the Fastest One ATi has ever Made, from like Cat 3.2 or something and has been included in Omega as a Choice for SPECIAL opengl. NGO made it and it is Much Faster then standard. http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati/win2k_xp.php These are Two know issues with Omega that everyone needs to know how to fix. ************ Important Notes: 1. If you are using an Omega soft-mod and you are experiencing crashes, black screens, artifacts or the "check board effect" during game play, run the new included Driver Swapper utility and select the Normal driver, the reason is that your card is not accepting the soft-mod due to broken/incompatible hardware. 2. Using Special OGL file: Since this OGL file has some small bugs, if you got video corruption in Counter-Strike, all you need to do is to add "-32bpp" to the game's command line or set it up in Launch Options (CS 1.6 + CS:CZ). The game will run FASTER and look better than using 16bit color. ********** Then go to http://www.newgenerationorder.org/ Download one of the config files, delete stuff in the config you dont want like the Autobinds and autobuy and that. I sujest if you have REALLY bad FPS get the Fastest one, looks like ** but will run best. If you have a ok Graphics Card get the Next one up, way better quality still good FPS. You might want to delete Commands and Scripts in the config that will override controls and other things you have. If you dont know how to. Just delete everything in userconfig EXCEPT the stuff under GRAPHICS heading, and transfer anything in your Userconfig.cfg to this one. Change the Rate, cl_updarate, cl_cmdrate in this userconfig.cfg file to what you worked out was best for you. That is Everything you need to do. Play with VSYNC on. Unless you are getting really bad FPS. Also have all settings in display settings set to HIGH proformance. There. __________________ [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff][color=darkred]P4 @ 3.4E (243 FSB) MSI Neo2 865PE Neo2-PLS Sapphire x800 XT-PE Kingston 1 GB DDR466 2x SATA 80GB 7200RPM[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color] [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff]3Dmarks03 = 12763 3Dmarks05 = 5804[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

Jul 29, 2004, 08:08 AM	#135
Prod1702 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Eagan, MN Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	I flashed my card back to 9800XT i was reading a post http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=35514 and those ppl had hte same problem but it is only in 3dmark03 with game tests 2 and 3. There isnt problems with games and other benchmarks. so i am goig nto try some far cry out and see how it goes if i get artfacts in that than yes i will flash back but if i dont than i am goign to leave it. I like the 9800XT name, and any help i can get with out buying a X800 is something. __________________ Core 2 Q6600 GO @ 3.75ghz/1.42v Thermaltake ToughPower 1000W Thermaltake Armor Series Black Case LITE-ON 20X DVD burner SATA WD 2x320 SATA 3gb Raid 0 Win 7 64bit 7200 Evga 780i P07 bios Evga 2x8800GTX Superclocked 655/1680/2160 Corsair Dominator 4x1gb PC2 8500 5-5-5-14 2T Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1

Jul 30, 2004, 04:47 PM	#137
Ryuujin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	I tried clocking up my card using ATITool, raising the core with 5mhz and then running 3dmark01SE to heat it up, only the game tests. I got it up to 420 without any artifacts, but when I checked for artifacts in atitool, i got lots, and had to clock it down to 405 to be safe. So which should I believe, 3dmark or ATITool? Should I run 3dmark03 instead for more accurate results? Club 3D Radeon 9800 NP with Samsung 3.2 BGA RAM Default speeds 324/290

Aug 10, 2004, 02:01 PM	#139
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	hi all, just read the whole thread nad i have some comments and questions. coments: very importante after a VGA bios flash on any card is to first before the flash uninstall the graphic drivers and if posible the GART VGA driver (the driver that tell your motherboard how to run the AGP slot) then reboot to safemod and run driverclener and cabcleaner and clear the recicle bin. only then reboot the system into dos with the flash floppy you made and run the flash. after the flash is done reboot into windows and make sure you reinstall the GART driver before you install the graphic drivers. this will give better benches and game scores compared to just flashing and reinstalling the graphic drivers, (i tested this with a gigacube 9800pro flash) questions: what about the ATI built 9800 PRO 128MB with R350 core with Samsung 8E-GC2A memory ? thats the card i have and i can run it on stock bios with the ATI silencer and ram sinks at 440/370 on benchmarks with no problem , it can be run stable at 430/365 while gaming. can i flash it to XT'zyd bios? if yes which bios i should look into? also if i get this right th XT flash will give me higher oc rates posibilities? @me972 im thinking of getting a better PSU as im suspecting it to be the cause of randon lockups and reboots on my winXP (350w crappy israeli made psu with 1 fan, bought it for 140 shekels.) can you please tell me what PSU you got and where you got it and in what price? 550w sounds good to me and im sure you did all the research allready thanks , lz. __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Aug 10, 2004, 11:40 PM	#141
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	hi me762 looks like my psu is not even 350w but more like 300w i looked around in zigzag , logicPC and zap but the prices for the 550w psu are around 800nis , thats really expensive , i think i would be better with a 450-480w psu at around 550-650nis , unless you can get me some better deal with your friend? (please please ) ok this is exactly what is written on my PSU it looks more like 300W. maker : HEC AC INPUT: 115/230V 50-60HZ FuseRating T6.3AH 230V- DC OUTPUT: +3.3V +5V +12V -5V -12V +5Vsb MAX.A: 20A 30A 15A 0.5A 0.8A 2A +5V&+3.3V combined 180W Total Output 300W tegarding the overclocking i never leave my card overclocked while system is idle or when im not playing , i use ATItool or 3Dprof to lounch a profile when i start gaming. so what bios is the best for my card you never told me TIA , lz __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Aug 11, 2004, 08:08 AM	Thread Starter #142
me972 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 696 Rep Power: 0	which brand is your card? __________________ Intel 2600K - ASRock Fatality1 Pro(Gen3) -16GB Ram 8-8-8-24 - M4 128GB

Aug 11, 2004, 09:26 AM	#143
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	ATI built 9800 PRO 128MB with R350 core with Samsung 8E-GC2A memory __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Aug 15, 2004, 05:07 PM	#145
speedster_tpc DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	@me972: i successfully flashed my r9800se to 9800xt thanks to your guide. my question is, can my card have temperature monitoring just like those of the 9800xt's?

Aug 16, 2004, 05:28 PM	#147
speedster_tpc DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	well, to sad =(. but hey, the jump from se to xt sure is one hell of a catch. anyways, tahnks again.

Aug 28, 2004, 08:52 PM	#148
huh?? DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	to tell the truth is will be the first time i have ever flashed a card.. but have done considerable amount of reading and think i know what im doing... but just to be sure..... I have a HIS excalibur IceQ 9800 Pro 128 i took of the cooling unit and my chip is a R360 I have also o/c the card with ATItool. Using find max it clocked to 430/360ish but while playing games im concervative running at 415/355 and there is no problems playing doom3 for 3 hours. (at high settings 1024x768 w/ aa) i would like to flash it to an XT but not sure which bios to use also me972 there was mention of a guide of yours where is that? and being a 128Mb it wont have the thermal diod? any help would be greatly apreciated

Aug 28, 2004, 09:17 PM	#149
CruNcher DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	what for memory hynix or samsung ? if it has Samsung 2.86ns you can use my tweaked bios here [color=#800080]http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthread.php?t=54146[/color]

Aug 29, 2004, 09:43 PM	#150
huh?? DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	how can i tell which memory i have?? i'd rather not have to take off the heat sinks... i read that if i "dump" the bios using ATItool i could check it by changing the bin file to a .txt file and opening it... its suppose to say in the first few lines, but it didnt also it kind of worries me that it is reading as a R350 when i took of the blower the writing directly on the chip said it was a R360.... (heres the first few lines of the txt) RADEON 9800 113-A07533-100 BIOS (C) 1988-2003, ATI Technologies Inc. BK-ATI VER008.015.058.000 nhrq4593.815 v611 [color=Yellow]R350AGP[/color] DGD1UN ?l l 1tZ?™ã € ÷ À ð HN txÚm% ôüÄ>, $TVSÅ ; ~ Æ6å Ùï ˆ PCIRHN h € [color=Yellow]ATI R350[/color] ’×û’ÿÿÿÿbK ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿ’×û’ÿÿÿÿbK ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿÂÄè " € gvfö œ this is kinda frustrating.... so any help would be appreciated also id rather flash it with actual xt bios as opposed to a modified one so i can gain all possible benefits thx