9800XT 128MB RAM Bios files for 9800SE/NP/PRO

huh?? · Aug 29, 2004, 09:51 PM

i did a bit more reading and i think the bios might just be set at R350 as thats what the older HIS cards had... maybe they just continued to use the same bios??

also one more question... how bad would it be to flash the card with a bios with improper memory sets?? (eg. have hynix mem but flash with samsung bios)

me972 · Aug 29, 2004, 10:48 PM

Hi.

well it is not possible to flash your card with an original XT bios file because of the memory size. as soon as a program tries to access a memory address that doesn't phisicly exists then the card would hang.. even though it would work at first.

as for the optimizations of an original XT card...that is up to your card and how much it can hold.
my card for instance flashed with a moded XT bios that has been moded to work with 128Mb ram and no thermal sensor gives out better results then most original XT bios cards at XT stock speeds. so it doesn't realy matter which bios you use as long as you manage to find one that is perfectly optimized for your card. my card even O/c's better then most XT card and its a 9800SE so its all down to how lucky you are when you get your card.

as for the memory question - this doesn't matter a bit. my card has 2.8n hynix mem chips and the bios I'm using is programed for samsung.
as long as the hardware can hold the timings then your all right.

this can be found out only if you have the gutz and knowhow to test your card with the bios files i've given you.

if your not sure about the memory chips on your card and you feel that you dont want to take the risk in using a bios that doesnt fit then you may send a copy of you original bios (backup from your card) and I'll mod it for you.

my mail is: me972@hotmail.com

it all up to you..

good luck
me972

CruNcher · Aug 30, 2004, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me972

as for the memory question - this doesn't matter a bit. my card has 2.8n hynix mem chips and the bios I'm using is programed for samsung.
as long as the hardware can hold the timings then your all right.

hm so it works so only the memory timings are differnt very interesting if this works for you nice indeed hmm i think i'll try it with the Sapphire Hynix XT bios to mod it for my 9800pro Samsung Atlantis thx for the info

btw you realy can run Doom3 with that 425 GPu clock ?
i mean did you tried playdemo shot_002 ? is it still ok after some cycles ?

me972 · Aug 30, 2004, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CruNcher

btw you realy can run Doom3 with that 425 GPu clock ?
i mean did you tried playdemo shot_002 ? is it still ok after some cycles ?

YES -

my card can run with no artifacts (ATITOOL) to about 440MHz core and 790Mhz mem.
max benchmark speeds that I've tested until now are 465/812Mhz. but this only holds for one bench cycle.
I could hold it for 24/7 if I had watter cooling - but who the hell has enough monie for that????

its over 500$ where I live so I don't even consider it.

P.s.
your moded BIOS is in the mail on its way to you.

Brgds
me972

huh?? · Aug 30, 2004, 12:03 PM

so i was lookin at the moded bios using Rabit 1.3 and as far as i could tell all that was changed was the clock speeds and so it will be recognized as a R360
---none of the memory settings were changed????

if this is correct (is it??

) then will it do anymore than o/c with ATItool??
I will still flash and post my results (just ran aquamark3 at various speeds via ATItool and will compare with results after flash) but before i do id like to hear your thoughts

also is there any other benchmark prog youd like me to run in addition to aquamark3??

Shuflie · Aug 30, 2004, 12:49 PM

Recognising as R360 gives a big boost, there are driver optimisations for the R360 core that don't work if you are running the card as an R350 on the 9800pro drivers. Try it out and see, clock for clock you will get better results.

me972 · Aug 30, 2004, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huh??

so i was lookin at the moded bios using Rabit 1.3 and as far as i could tell all that was changed was the clock speeds and so it will be recognized as a R360
---none of the memory settings were changed????

if this is correct (is it??

) then will it do anymore than o/c with ATItool??
I will still flash and post my results (just ran aquamark3 at various speeds via ATItool and will compare with results after flash) but before i do id like to hear your thoughts

also is there any other benchmark prog youd like me to run in addition to aquamark3??

As my good freind "Shuflie" has stated as soon as your card is recognized as R360 you will enjoy some driver optimizations built into the drivers.

as for changes to your memory timings I've looked over ech and every one of them and they are identical to original XT - this is why i didnt want to tighten them any more cause your card might not be able to handle it.
so for now enjoy the optimizations and if later on you want to change any timings then feel free.

good luck.

huh?? · Sep 2, 2004, 11:14 PM

Alright... sorry it took so long to post these but here are my results.

My Comp: AMD xp 2500+ @ 2600+ (1913 Mhz); 2 x 512Mb Crucial RAM (1024 total) @ 7-3-3-2.5; MSI K7N2 Delta-L mobo; Antec Sonata case w/ 2 120mm fans w/ 360W power supply (I know this is low but hasnt caused a prb yet)

video card: HIS Excaliber Radeon 9800 PRO IceQ (has a blower w/ it)

Heres the results from softmoding w/ ATItool:
(aquamark was used as the testing software)

[color=Red] Default[/color] (378/338)
GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5361 [/color]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6134[/color]
[color=DeepSkyBlue]37 306[/color]
11,230,499 tps (triangles per second)
37.31 fps (frames per second)

[color=Yellow][color=Red]@[/color] 424.80/365.40
GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5709[/color][/color][color=Yellow]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6178 [/color][/color][color=Yellow]
[/color][color=Yellow][color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 052[/color]
[/color][color=Yellow]11,755,911 tps
39.05 fps
[/color]

[color=Red] @[/color]429.75/369.00
GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5712 [/color]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6132[/color]
[color=DeepSkyBlue] 38 983[/color]
11,735,403 tps
38.98 fps

Heres the result w/ flashing bios to XT bios (my PRO bios moded by me972) then using ATItool to o/c:

[color=Red] Default[/color] (411.75/364.50) --->XT bios
GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5640 [/color]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6392[/color]
[color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 136[/color]
11,781,359 tps (triangles per second)
39.14 fps (frames per second)

[color=Yellow][color=Red]@[/color] 424.80/365.40
GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5700 [/color]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6392 [/color]
[color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 428[/color][/color]
[color=Yellow]11,869,232 tps[/color]
[color=Yellow]39.43 fps[/color]

[color=Red] @[/color]429.75/369.00
GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5727 [/color]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6392[/color]
[color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 554[/color]
11,907,281 tps
39.55 fps

[color=Red] @[/color]435.60/370.80
GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5742 [/color]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6398[/color]
[color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 648[/color]
11,935,570 tps
39.65 fps

These results were interesting because it appears that the benefits from flashing were from the CPU, not the Graphics card

... any thoughts??
and o/c with ATItool increased the cards output.

also i wanted to break 40 000 (just for fun

and b/c it was so close) so i o/c my processor to run @ 2000Mhz (2700+) and clocked my vidcard to 435.60/370.80 and these were the results:
GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5856 [/color]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6429[/color]
[color=DeepSkyBlue] 40 295

[/color]
12,130,372 tps
40.30 fps

[color=Yellow][color=Lime]HOWEVER[/color] [/color]w/ the card flased PowerDVD wouldnt run... ATItool had some difficulty (also fps in ATItool were slower)... and Doom3 would automaticaly quit at the same spot in the game

because of this i decide to just flash back to the PRO bios and be happy with it

Now that i did i ran aquamark again and the results were almost IDENTICAL to the ones w/ the XT bios:
[color=Yellow][color=Red]@ [/color]424.80/365.40 [/color][color=Yellow] (w/ PRO bios) [/color]
[color=Yellow]GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5700 [/color]
CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6378[/color]
[color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 409[/color][/color]
[color=Yellow]11,863,572 tps
[/color][color=Yellow]39.41 fps[/color]
(windows DOES recognize it as a PRO card)

Having this happen only encouraged me to stay with the original PRO bios

I'd be very interesting in hearing your thoughts about my results.

me972 · Sep 3, 2004, 08:01 PM

well it does seem like your card gave out a little better results with the XT bios but nt something worth mentioning.
in any case NOT all mods work and give you a better card, your case is like that as I've told you already, most PRO cards at least the ones that I've helped mod did get better results, in your case there was not too much to gain since your PRO bios defualt timings were already pushed to the limits. thats why i didn't change any think when I sent it to you.

what I think can be done is maybe tighten the timings a little since your card seems to be able to handle a great deal of o/c and this might give you a better boost. instead of o/c your card to over 430Mhz and still getting nothing.
its like RAM timings.. you get better pc preformance by having ddr at 2-2-2-5 then O/c FSB by 20MHz...
so try that if you wish.
but be careful and make sure you have a PCI card around.

me972

huh?? · Sep 3, 2004, 09:40 PM

Thanks me972 for all your help i learnt a great deal and maybe in the future when i feel i got some good use from my card i might get a little risker with it and play with the timings, but until then i will enjoy my card runing as is

thx again.

me972 · Sep 3, 2004, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huh??

Thanks me972 for all your help i learnt a great deal and maybe in the future when i feel i got some good use from my card i might get a little risker with it and play with the timings, but until then i will enjoy my card runing as is

thx again.

:-)

your very much welcome

crashuk · Sep 10, 2004, 12:25 AM

Need help..

I got Sapphire Radeon 9800SE 128MB DDR AGP8x its got a 256bit ram bus..

I what to use the ATI9800XT BIOS..

I can clock the card pass the 9800XT speed..

I have install the Arctic Vga Cooler Rev3 I will get Rev4 when it comes out in the UK..
Stock: Core 325 Mhz - Ram 290 Hhz
Overclocked: Core 450 Mhz - Ram 375 Mhz

What BIOS do I need?

me972 · Sep 10, 2004, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crashuk

Need help..

I got Sapphire Radeon 9800SE 128MB DDR AGP8x its got a 256bit ram bus..

I what to use the ATI9800XT BIOS..

I can clock the card pass the 9800XT speed..

I have install the Arctic Vga Cooler Rev3 I will get Rev4 when it comes out in the UK..
Stock: Core 325 Mhz - Ram 290 Hhz
Overclocked: Core 450 Mhz - Ram 375 Mhz

What BIOS do I need?

have you red my first post in this thread????

crashuk · Sep 10, 2004, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me972

have you red my first post in this thread????

Yes do theys loads of BIOS files.. and I read they are 2 type of ram??

Also Softmod does not work for me.. I tryed it but when windows restarts I get black screen once windows loads..

me972 · Sep 10, 2004, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crashuk

Yes do theys loads of BIOS files.. and I read they are 2 type of ram??

Also Softmod does not work for me.. I tryed it but when windows restarts I get black screen once windows loads..

your probelm isn't the Flash or the Moded drivers. what you forgot to do is:
before flashing the card you should have gone into Safemod ran driver cleaner for all ATI componants and then reset- do the flash. reload windows and a then install Omega Drivers. 4.7

unfortunatly 4.8's cannot be installed on some 9800SE cards because of a problems with ATI changing the way the Control Panel recognizes your card.
for some reason they have started to compare ASIC hardware ID to BIOS ID.
and since SE ID's do not match. you cannot install the 4.8
I my self have worked with OMEGA on this issue and only a manul editing of a file named: atiicdxx.msi and chaning the 2 Id's from 4A4E to 414A and
4E6A to 416A can solve this.

since this is a very problematic issue i sudjest you use the 4.7 drivers.

I'm hoping OMEGA can find a way around this in the next release

IF ANY ONE WANTS A MODED atiicdxx.MSI FILE AND CANNOT MOD IT THEM SELVES. YOU ARE MORE THEN WELCOME TO SEND ME AN EMAIL AND i'LL SEND TO YOU.
me972@hotmail.com

Brgds to all
me972

crashuk · Sep 11, 2004, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me972

your probelm isn't the Flash or the Moded drivers. what you forgot to do is:
before flashing the card you should have gone into Safemod ran driver cleaner for all ATI componants and then reset- do the flash. reload windows and a then install Omega Drivers. 4.7

unfortunatly 4.8's cannot be installed on some 9800SE cards because of a problems with ATI changing the way the Control Panel recognizes your card.
for some reason they have started to compare ASIC hardware ID to BIOS ID.
and since SE ID's do not match. you cannot install the 4.8
I my self have worked with OMEGA on this issue and only a manul editing of a file named: atiicdxx.msi and chaning the 2 Id's from 4A4E to 414A and
4E6A to 416A can solve this.

since this is a very problematic issue i sudjest you use the 4.7 drivers.

I'm hoping OMEGA can find a way around this in the next release

IF ANY ONE WANTS A MODED atiicdxx.MSI FILE AND CANNOT MOD IT THEM SELVES. YOU ARE MORE THEN WELCOME TO SEND ME AN EMAIL AND i'LL SEND TO YOU.
me972@hotmail.com

Brgds to all
me972

I changed screen res to 600x480 and did the softmode and windows restarted and it shows that Omega drivers dont know what card I got know... so maybe my card can still be softmoded... Thanks for telling about the 4.8 bug

me972 · Sep 11, 2004, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crashuk

I changed screen res to 600x480 and did the softmode and windows restarted and it shows that Omega drivers dont know what card I got know... so maybe my card can still be softmoded... Thanks for telling about the 4.8 bug

I think all 9800SE's have this problem. as I said test the Omega 4.7 they should work just fine...

just so you'd know I've just finished MODing the 4.9 with the new CP and the enable all 8 pipes and recognize my 9800SE just fine..
it was a little hard at first but after 3 driver installs all is great.
the new CP takes getting used to. but I like giving things a try before saying NO.

If any of you 9800SE moders show that you want my moded 4.9 drivers I might be able to build a release... they will be "original" CAT's and in NO way at all I'm I going to start a contest with OMEGA on this. its just that the added support for all 9800SE's flashed to XT is casuing him a great deal of problems with the new ID protection by ATI. i've worked with OMEGA for a few days to solve the problems on the 4.8 and now that I've learned how to MOD the drivers my self I' wont be bothering the poor man with my specific card.

I'm not joking when I'm telling you that i'll build a release for you guys. with the same problems, just post some replies to show me that you need this.

Best regards
Me972

caleb1 · Sep 14, 2004, 11:28 PM

Hello i have an oportunity to give back (sell my 9800se)
and most likely buy 9800pro.

My current 9800se is sapphire 256bit 8 pipes working fine
Max oc speed 420/324(3.3ns mem)

The 9800pro sapphires that i saw around forums would be my choice...
Last series has XT PCB and r360 core. (2.8ns mem)

Whole thing would cost me about 80euro.

Just wondering what do you guys think ? Is it worth that 80e ?

me972 · Sep 15, 2004, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleb1

Hello i have an oportunity to give back (sell my 9800se)
and most likely buy 9800pro.

My current 9800se is sapphire 256bit 8 pipes working fine
Max oc speed 420/324(3.3ns mem)

The 9800pro sapphires that i saw around forums would be my choice...
Last series has XT PCB and r360 core. (2.8ns mem)

Whole thing would cost me about 80euro.

Just wondering what do you guys think ? Is it worth that 80e ?

Yes! if you have the monie do it... :-)

Danhill · Sep 15, 2004, 12:28 PM

I have a Powercolor 9800 pro (R350 core) I run the card all day long @ 425/360. What would be the benifit to upgrade to an XT bios for me??

me972 · Sep 15, 2004, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danhill

I have a Powercolor 9800 pro (R350 core) I run the card all day long @ 425/360. What would be the benifit to upgrade to an XT bios for me??

it depends on the current bios configurations that your card currecntly has.
if the timings are loos then a great deal, cause XT timings are better and some of the memory handling gets better also.
you also get to benefit from some driver optimizations for the XT.
in any case I've never heard of some one flashing an SE/Pro cards and getting worse results...unless the card is a unique one that no bios could fit it. or maybe the bios was corrupt... so if nothng was gained then at least yo uget to see
the XT name on your drivers label :-)
just don't try and fool some one and sell it as an XT for more monie cause thats just not right.

you can try and play around with some bios files that i've gathered and see if any thing is gained...
nothing better then testing..

Danhill · Sep 15, 2004, 03:41 PM

Thanks me972, I'll see if I have the curage to do flash it. Btw how do I check what timing my mem has??

me972 · Sep 15, 2004, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danhill

Thanks me972, I'll see if I have the curage to do flash it. Btw how do I check what timing my mem has??

by the writings on the memory chips. copy them and type them in s search in google , you should get a make and model and every other info you need on them.

speedster_tpc · Sep 15, 2004, 05:30 PM

sir, any news about the 4.9 drivers?

Danhill · Sep 15, 2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me972

by the writings on the memory chips. copy them and type them in s search in google , you should get a make and model and every other info you need on them.

You mean on the card, so I should take out the card and have a look??

DjFlame · Sep 15, 2004, 07:36 PM

At lat i got my card, XpertVision 128MB 256-bit, ran Aqaumark and 3dMark03 b4 i loaded Omega and enabled other 4 pipes.( All settings default, also in 3dmark and aqua)

3dmark03 before: 3641 , After( No OC, just 8 pipes): 5163

Aquamark before: 27 461 , After( No OC, just 8 pipes): 37 184

Just a few questions,
My default speeds are 300/300 (600), any good?

1)Some of the tests in 3dmark, stops for abou7 0.25 secs, then go again, normal?

2)I get about 25fps in the trolls lair test, with the stuttering, any tips to clear that problem?

3) Can i install CCC with Omega 4.8, or is it included in Omega 4.8?

me972, what is the best options to use at direct3d and openGL settings, can u maby send me screensshots of the settings u choose so i can get a better picture what to enable and what not for balanced display?

DjFlame · Sep 16, 2004, 08:11 PM

Hi
This morning i set up 3dmark03 to do 40 of the tests cycles ( took 4.5 hours ) with all 8 pipes enabled, no errors, all was fine. I also did a 30 mins test in ati tool for artifects, 0 errors. Am i ready to upgrade my cooling and Flashing?

One thing i dont like, in the troll CPU test i get about 5 fps, is this normal?

me972 · Sep 16, 2004, 09:05 PM

new 4.9 drivers are ready... for all you 9800SE moded to XT
get them here:

[color=#dddddd]http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...170#post445170[/color]

DjFlame · Sep 17, 2004, 07:22 PM

not one of the bios's on the bios dl thread works with my xpertvision card

any help?

me972 · Sep 17, 2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjFlame

not one of the bios's on the bios dl thread works with my xpertvision card

any help?

send me the backup copy of you'r original BIOS and I'll convert it for you.
me972@hotmail.com

Aug 29, 2004, 10:48 PM	Thread Starter #152
me972 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 696 Rep Power: 0	Huh? Hi. well it is not possible to flash your card with an original XT bios file because of the memory size. as soon as a program tries to access a memory address that doesn't phisicly exists then the card would hang.. even though it would work at first. as for the optimizations of an original XT card...that is up to your card and how much it can hold. my card for instance flashed with a moded XT bios that has been moded to work with 128Mb ram and no thermal sensor gives out better results then most original XT bios cards at XT stock speeds. so it doesn't realy matter which bios you use as long as you manage to find one that is perfectly optimized for your card. my card even O/c's better then most XT card and its a 9800SE so its all down to how lucky you are when you get your card. as for the memory question - this doesn't matter a bit. my card has 2.8n hynix mem chips and the bios I'm using is programed for samsung. as long as the hardware can hold the timings then your all right. this can be found out only if you have the gutz and knowhow to test your card with the bios files i've given you. if your not sure about the memory chips on your card and you feel that you dont want to take the risk in using a bios that doesnt fit then you may send a copy of you original bios (backup from your card) and I'll mod it for you. my mail is: me972@hotmail.com it all up to you.. good luck me972 __________________ Intel 2600K - ASRock Fatality1 Pro(Gen3) -16GB Ram 8-8-8-24 - M4 128GB

Aug 30, 2004, 12:03 PM	#155
huh?? DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	so i was lookin at the moded bios using Rabit 1.3 and as far as i could tell all that was changed was the clock speeds and so it will be recognized as a R360 ---none of the memory settings were changed???? if this is correct (is it??) then will it do anymore than o/c with ATItool?? I will still flash and post my results (just ran aquamark3 at various speeds via ATItool and will compare with results after flash) but before i do id like to hear your thoughts also is there any other benchmark prog youd like me to run in addition to aquamark3??

Sep 2, 2004, 11:14 PM	#158
huh?? DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Alright... sorry it took so long to post these but here are my results. My Comp: AMD xp 2500+ @ 2600+ (1913 Mhz); 2 x 512Mb Crucial RAM (1024 total) @ 7-3-3-2.5; MSI K7N2 Delta-L mobo; Antec Sonata case w/ 2 120mm fans w/ 360W power supply (I know this is low but hasnt caused a prb yet) video card: HIS Excaliber Radeon 9800 PRO IceQ (has a blower w/ it) Heres the results from softmoding w/ ATItool: (aquamark was used as the testing software) [color=Red] Default[/color] (378/338) GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5361 [/color] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6134[/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue]37 306[/color] 11,230,499 tps (triangles per second) 37.31 fps (frames per second) [color=Yellow][color=Red]@[/color] 424.80/365.40 GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5709[/color][/color][color=Yellow] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6178 [/color][/color][color=Yellow] [/color][color=Yellow][color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 052[/color] [/color][color=Yellow]11,755,911 tps 39.05 fps [/color] [color=Red] @[/color]429.75/369.00 GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5712 [/color] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6132[/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] 38 983[/color] 11,735,403 tps 38.98 fps Heres the result w/ flashing bios to XT bios (my PRO bios moded by me972) then using ATItool to o/c: [color=Red] Default[/color] (411.75/364.50) --->XT bios GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5640 [/color] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6392[/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 136[/color] 11,781,359 tps (triangles per second) 39.14 fps (frames per second) [color=Yellow][color=Red]@[/color] 424.80/365.40 GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5700 [/color] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6392 [/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 428[/color][/color] [color=Yellow]11,869,232 tps[/color] [color=Yellow]39.43 fps[/color] [color=Red] @[/color]429.75/369.00 GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5727 [/color] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6392[/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 554[/color] 11,907,281 tps 39.55 fps [color=Red] @[/color]435.60/370.80 GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5742 [/color] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6398[/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 648[/color] 11,935,570 tps 39.65 fps These results were interesting because it appears that the benefits from flashing were from the CPU, not the Graphics card... any thoughts?? and o/c with ATItool increased the cards output. also i wanted to break 40 000 (just for fun and b/c it was so close) so i o/c my processor to run @ 2000Mhz (2700+) and clocked my vidcard to 435.60/370.80 and these were the results: GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5856 [/color] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6429[/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] 40 295 [/color] 12,130,372 tps 40.30 fps [color=Yellow][color=Lime]HOWEVER[/color] [/color]w/ the card flased PowerDVD wouldnt run... ATItool had some difficulty (also fps in ATItool were slower)... and Doom3 would automaticaly quit at the same spot in the game because of this i decide to just flash back to the PRO bios and be happy with it Now that i did i ran aquamark again and the results were almost IDENTICAL to the ones w/ the XT bios: [color=Yellow][color=Red]@ [/color]424.80/365.40 [/color][color=Yellow] (w/ PRO bios) [/color] [color=Yellow]GFX [color=DeepSkyBlue]5700 [/color] CPU [color=DeepSkyBlue]6378[/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] 39 409[/color][/color] [color=Yellow]11,863,572 tps [/color][color=Yellow]39.41 fps[/color] (windows DOES recognize it as a PRO card) Having this happen only encouraged me to stay with the original PRO bios I'd be very interesting in hearing your thoughts about my results. Last edited by huh??; Sep 2, 2004 at 11:26 PM.

Sep 3, 2004, 08:01 PM	Thread Starter #159
me972 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 696 Rep Power: 0	well it does seem like your card gave out a little better results with the XT bios but nt something worth mentioning. in any case NOT all mods work and give you a better card, your case is like that as I've told you already, most PRO cards at least the ones that I've helped mod did get better results, in your case there was not too much to gain since your PRO bios defualt timings were already pushed to the limits. thats why i didn't change any think when I sent it to you. what I think can be done is maybe tighten the timings a little since your card seems to be able to handle a great deal of o/c and this might give you a better boost. instead of o/c your card to over 430Mhz and still getting nothing. its like RAM timings.. you get better pc preformance by having ddr at 2-2-2-5 then O/c FSB by 20MHz... so try that if you wish. but be careful and make sure you have a PCI card around. me972 __________________ Intel 2600K - ASRock Fatality1 Pro(Gen3) -16GB Ram 8-8-8-24 - M4 128GB

Sep 14, 2004, 11:28 PM	#168
caleb1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	9800se change to 9800xt Hello i have an oportunity to give back (sell my 9800se) and most likely buy 9800pro. My current 9800se is sapphire 256bit 8 pipes working fine Max oc speed 420/324(3.3ns mem) The 9800pro sapphires that i saw around forums would be my choice... Last series has XT PCB and r360 core. (2.8ns mem) Whole thing would cost me about 80euro. Just wondering what do you guys think ? Is it worth that 80e ?

Aug 29, 2004, 09:51 PM	#151
huh?? DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	i did a bit more reading and i think the bios might just be set at R350 as thats what the older HIS cards had... maybe they just continued to use the same bios?? also one more question... how bad would it be to flash the card with a bios with improper memory sets?? (eg. have hynix mem but flash with samsung bios)

Aug 30, 2004, 12:49 PM	#156
Shuflie DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Belfast Posts: 269 Rep Power: 0	Recognising as R360 gives a big boost, there are driver optimisations for the R360 core that don't work if you are running the card as an R350 on the 9800pro drivers. Try it out and see, clock for clock you will get better results.

Sep 3, 2004, 09:40 PM	#160
huh?? DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Thanks me972 for all your help i learnt a great deal and maybe in the future when i feel i got some good use from my card i might get a little risker with it and play with the timings, but until then i will enjoy my card runing as is thx again.

Sep 10, 2004, 12:25 AM	#162
crashuk DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	Need help.. I got Sapphire Radeon 9800SE 128MB DDR AGP8x its got a 256bit ram bus.. I what to use the ATI9800XT BIOS.. I can clock the card pass the 9800XT speed.. I have install the Arctic Vga Cooler Rev3 I will get Rev4 when it comes out in the UK.. Stock: Core 325 Mhz - Ram 290 Hhz Overclocked: Core 450 Mhz - Ram 375 Mhz What BIOS do I need?

Sep 15, 2004, 12:28 PM	#170
Danhill DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,112 Rep Power: 0	I have a Powercolor 9800 pro (R350 core) I run the card all day long @ 425/360. What would be the benifit to upgrade to an XT bios for me?? __________________ MOBO: [color=white]ASUS A8N-SLI Premium[/color] CPU: AMD 64 3200+ (Venice) @ 2,50 Ghz MEM: 2 x 512 DDR 466, VGA: 2 x 6600 GT in SLI, HDD1: WD Raptor HDD2: Maxtor Diamond Plus 9, Case: Antec Plus View 1080, PSU: ThermalTake PurePower 500W, MX 1000, Dell 2001 FP, Aud. 2 SZ

Sep 15, 2004, 03:41 PM	#172
Danhill DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,112 Rep Power: 0	Thanks me972, I'll see if I have the curage to do flash it. Btw how do I check what timing my mem has?? __________________ MOBO: [color=white]ASUS A8N-SLI Premium[/color] CPU: AMD 64 3200+ (Venice) @ 2,50 Ghz MEM: 2 x 512 DDR 466, VGA: 2 x 6600 GT in SLI, HDD1: WD Raptor HDD2: Maxtor Diamond Plus 9, Case: Antec Plus View 1080, PSU: ThermalTake PurePower 500W, MX 1000, Dell 2001 FP, Aud. 2 SZ

Sep 15, 2004, 05:30 PM	#174
speedster_tpc DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	sir, any news about the 4.9 drivers?

Sep 15, 2004, 07:36 PM	#176
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	At lat i got my card, XpertVision 128MB 256-bit, ran Aqaumark and 3dMark03 b4 i loaded Omega and enabled other 4 pipes.( All settings default, also in 3dmark and aqua) 3dmark03 before: 3641 , After( No OC, just 8 pipes): 5163 Aquamark before: 27 461 , After( No OC, just 8 pipes): 37 184 Just a few questions, My default speeds are 300/300 (600), any good? 1)Some of the tests in 3dmark, stops for abou7 0.25 secs, then go again, normal? 2)I get about 25fps in the trolls lair test, with the stuttering, any tips to clear that problem? 3) Can i install CCC with Omega 4.8, or is it included in Omega 4.8? me972, what is the best options to use at direct3d and openGL settings, can u maby send me screensshots of the settings u choose so i can get a better picture what to enable and what not for balanced display? __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

Sep 16, 2004, 08:11 PM	#177
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	Hi This morning i set up 3dmark03 to do 40 of the tests cycles ( took 4.5 hours ) with all 8 pipes enabled, no errors, all was fine. I also did a 30 mins test in ati tool for artifects, 0 errors. Am i ready to upgrade my cooling and Flashing? One thing i dont like, in the troll CPU test i get about 5 fps, is this normal? __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

Sep 16, 2004, 09:05 PM	Thread Starter #178
me972 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 696 Rep Power: 0	new 4.9 drivers are ready... for all you 9800SE moded to XT get them here: [color=#dddddd]http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...170#post445170[/color] __________________ Intel 2600K - ASRock Fatality1 Pro(Gen3) -16GB Ram 8-8-8-24 - M4 128GB

Sep 17, 2004, 07:22 PM	#179
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	not one of the bios's on the bios dl thread works with my xpertvision card any help? __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]