9800XT 128MB RAM Bios files for 9800SE/NP/PRO

muddyfox470 · Oct 5, 2004, 10:18 PM

just to let ye kno, that my card (powercolor 128mb 9800se aiw (256bit)) was unsuccessful in modding the 8 pipelines to enable me to use them fully!

fine, great they unlocked and everthing, but even on stock speeds, start menu started getting boxes momentarily.

but in games (and 3dmark) it got worse > squares allover the screen!

but hey, it was worth the try! > they unlocked, but i can see why they were locked in the first place!

cheers for your help

ian

just to let u kno, i used the omega drivers as well as the hacked catalyst ones, and they were all pretty similar!

me972 · Oct 5, 2004, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muddyfox470

just to let ye kno, that my card (powercolor 128mb 9800se aiw (256bit)) was unsuccessful in modding the 8 pipelines to enable me to use them fully!

fine, great they unlocked and everthing, but even on stock speeds, start menu started getting boxes momentarily.

but in games (and 3dmark) it got worse > squares allover the screen!

but hey, it was worth the try! > they unlocked, but i can see why they were locked in the first place!

cheers for your help

ian

just to let u kno, i used the omega drivers as well as the hacked catalyst ones, and they were all pretty similar!

well - can't win them all...

riceboyler · Oct 6, 2004, 01:45 AM

Big thanks to me972 and others in this forum, as they (unbeknownst to them) helped me on the road to successful opening and overclocking of my Sapphire 9800SE 128MB 256-bit card. I got it off Ebay for $130 (new), got the VGA Silencer Ver. 3 and a few memory coolers from CompUseless, and I'm now running the 9800XT BIOS at XT Stock speeds.

I tried to clock it to me972 levels of 425 and 390, but started getting some artifacts, so I turned it back down until I have time to play with it and see about getting the max core and mem speeds.

So thanks to you guys. I have one of the best scoring Aquamark rigs amongst my group of friends (most of which work for a large computer mfgr starting with a D and having a slanted E

) for some of the lowest investment. They're all blown away by the capabilities of this card for good reason. Thanks again!

Now, any suggestions on how to get a little more out of my card? Should I look into some better RAM coolers maybe? What do all of you suggest?

me972 · Oct 6, 2004, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riceboyler

Big thanks to me972 and others in this forum, as they (unbeknownst to them) helped me on the road to successful opening and overclocking of my Sapphire 9800SE 128MB 256-bit card. I got it off Ebay for $130 (new), got the VGA Silencer Ver. 3 and a few memory coolers from CompUseless, and I'm now running the 9800XT BIOS at XT Stock speeds.

I tried to clock it to me972 levels of 425 and 390, but started getting some artifacts, so I turned it back down until I have time to play with it and see about getting the max core and mem speeds.

So thanks to you guys. I have one of the best scoring Aquamark rigs amongst my group of friends (most of which work for a large computer mfgr starting with a D and having a slanted E

) for some of the lowest investment. They're all blown away by the capabilities of this card for good reason. Thanks again!

Now, any suggestions on how to get a little more out of my card? Should I look into some better RAM coolers maybe? What do all of you suggest?

yes there are a few volt mods that you can do to increase the COre and Mem voltage and add some water cooling -you'll be able to get core speeds upwards of 500MHz and the 900+ on the memory.... this will blow a way any scores you've seen, but you'll have to upgrade to watter cooling at the least

good luck.
me972

Nicky-chan · Oct 7, 2004, 03:23 PM

Well i finaly found a bios that works with the EXCALIBUR R9800PRO ICEQ.
specs of card.
Hynix memory 2.8ns
Core: 350/360 mine came with a 350.
Well anyway i took a risk and used a bios i found on the internet.
Runs great and smoothly.
If anyone has that card ill send u the bios by email.
barneygone1337@ml1.net "note this is not my email so it may take time to reply"

Chikitta · Oct 7, 2004, 03:40 PM

ATI toolis a nice little piece of software for checking artifacts before you flash:

It'll report any errors, and certainly beats watching 3D mark for glitches.

9800 PRO bios @ 411Mhz core 350Mhz mem CAT 4.9 = 6079
9800 XT bios @ 411Mhz core 350Mhz mem CAT 4.9 = 6432

(3D Mark 03)

The proof is in the numbers

me972 · Oct 7, 2004, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chikitta

ATI toolis a nice little piece of software for checking artifacts before you flash:

It'll report any errors, and certainly beats watching 3D mark for glitches.

9800 PRO bios @ 411Mhz core 350Mhz mem CAT 4.9 = 6079
9800 XT bios @ 411Mhz core 350Mhz mem CAT 4.9 = 6432

(3D Mark 03)

The proof is in the numbers

and if you want to check the specs even faster for artifacts make the 3D window smaller the default size to about 1.5X1.5cm and push the FPS to above 1300 , this way you'll make the card burning hot in no time and thus enable you to test it faster. since a good test will mean letting the card run for a minimum of 1/2 hour

Elclair - good luck with the new XT

rgds
me972

Chikitta · Oct 7, 2004, 06:15 PM

Quote:

and if you want to check the specs even faster for artifacts make the 3D window smaller the default size to about 1.5X1.5cm and push the FPS to above 1300 , this way you'll make the card burning hot in no time and thus enable you to test it faster. since a good test will mean letting the card run for a minimum of 1/2 hour

Can't say I've ever tried that - will give it a go though.

Don't want the card overheating too quiockly though - any idea how long it takes to go from startup temp to very hot if you use that 1.5X1.5cm method?

me972 · Oct 7, 2004, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chikitta

Can't say I've ever tried that - will give it a go though.

Don't want the card overheating too quiockly though - any idea how long it takes to go from startup temp to very hot if you use that 1.5X1.5cm method?

if after 1/2 hour there are no artifacts and no graphics problems then you should be alright
the card usually heats up this way in about 5 minuts...

you wont burn the card since the graphics will get messy long before that .. so you'll have a good indication and a warning to stop the test..

Nicky-chan · Oct 8, 2004, 01:56 AM

Yay it runs great now. Only ishue is that when windows loads up the screen turns off for a few seconds then turns back on to my start up menu. Its weird but i get better FPS and my memory can overclock all the way up to 395 now. Tho my core doesnt seem to go any higer just stays at a maxium 317. But even when i put the stock speeds 380core and 340mem it ran faster still. "Got better fps"

Im using ATI Tool.

I just wanna say. Thank you me972 for all your help and wish everyone else good luck.
=D

Deathwing · Oct 15, 2004, 11:54 AM

what is the worst scenario if the flashing process goes bad?
I do have a PCI video card with me

me972 · Oct 15, 2004, 03:06 PM

I wouldn't know I've never had a case where I couldn't save the card by reflashing.
as for other people?! I've never seen a post about some one completly burning out his or her card.

IceRedwing51 · Oct 16, 2004, 07:44 AM

Will flashing it to a 9800 XT 128mb give you the temp gauge in windows to monitor the temperatures?

Also I thought the XT had a different core... I'm not too sure since I'm more familiar with NVidia's line of cards. But i do own a 9800 pro (2nd rig) and purchasing another 9800 pro for my cousins rig that I'm fixing for him.

me972 · Oct 16, 2004, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceRedwing51

Will flashing it to a 9800 XT 128mb give you the temp gauge in windows to monitor the temperatures?

if the card is a 9800 SE/Pro that has a 360 Core then yes.. using an original XT BIOS that's been moded to 128Mb ram would give you the over drive with the temp guage.

but since most SE's and Pro have the 350 core they don't have the built in temp sensor, so we use a Pro or SE Bios thats been moded to XT
not just the Bios ID but also the memory timings etc.

the 360 does have some extra things that the 350 doesn't but thats only some optimizations... nothing in the form of commnads and support.. so in sence they are the same.

rgds
me972

bullfrog2 · Oct 17, 2004, 12:34 AM

So all those bioses are just modified pro's and se's bioses? Which one will you recomend I use, I am getting a legend 9800se 128mb ram 256bit. AFAIK the card has 2.8ns hynix ram. So which one should I try first, if my card can handle the overclock?

me972 · Oct 17, 2004, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullfrog2

So all those bioses are just modified pro's and se's bioses? Which one will you recomend I use, I am getting a legend 9800se 128mb ram 256bit. AFAIK the card has 2.8ns hynix ram. So which one should I try first, if my card can handle the overclock?

as for the Bios's being "just" Pro bios's is not realy true since all the timings on them have been tightened to XT specs and sometimes even better.
so depending on your card you can get better preformance.
I was lucky enoght to get a card like that -and my card outpreformes almost all XT cards of AIR cooling.
sure - with water and phase cooling you can get your card up to 500+ Mhz
but thats just for the rich and famouse. :-)

and first post of this thread has my link to the BIOS download page.
these bios file are originaly for samsong but they work just fine on hynix 2.8
my card has hynix and I've tested all of them.

if you want an Hynix based original XT bios moded to 128MB ram
email me at : me972@hotmail.com
and i'll send you one.

rgds
me972

jonnyboy · Oct 18, 2004, 01:48 PM

why is that my hercules 9800se has a r360 chip inint and i have problems overclocking it i overclocked ounce before with the 4.9 catalyst and the patch and it worked but since i reformatted no softmods or the 4.9 and patch will work it feels like its watery on the desktop any ideas?

me972 · Oct 19, 2004, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyboy

why is that my hercules 9800se has a r360 chip inint and i have problems overclocking it i overclocked ounce before with the 4.9 catalyst and the patch and it worked but since i reformatted no softmods or the 4.9 and patch will work it feels like its watery on the desktop any ideas?

since it is a new install of windows then it must be a driver problem I think
download and run DriverCleaner in safemode and then reboot and reinstall OMEGA.

also check the voltage with the motherboard monitoring program given by your mobo maker and check the 3.3V to make sure it never goes under 3.15V under stress , if it does then you have a PSU problem.

also make sure that your cards heat sink hasn't come off... since enabling the extra 4 pipes will generat alot more heat.

good luck

bullfrog2 · Oct 22, 2004, 09:07 PM

Ok I got my card and it was doa! That sucks, then I found out that there aren't any more of the cards left. Wots even worse is that I can't get another se for that price in my country!!

me972 · Oct 23, 2004, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullfrog2

Ok I got my card and it was doa! That sucks, then I found out that there aren't any more of the cards left. Wots even worse is that I can't get another se for that price in my country!!

how can you be so sure? what tests have you done to confirm it?

daseth · Oct 29, 2004, 08:25 PM

tell us me972, for knowledge's sake, how exactly do u modify the bioses? i mean do u have programing possibilities over our saved bioses? and if so what programing language do u use? if this isn't the case then how do u do it?

Nicky-chan · Oct 30, 2004, 04:19 AM

I use a program called RaBit to modify bios's. Im intrested too what you use.

me972 · Oct 31, 2004, 12:19 AM

there are no TOP SECRETE stories behind all this... I use the same programs you use.

before RaBit was here I used to do it with an HEX editor.

you cannot use any of your programming knowladge since the BIOS files are already in binery and since I do not have the source code I cannt chage the programing it self.

most of what I know came from experiments, more then most so I use this to help others... :-)

f0rbez · Oct 31, 2004, 12:13 PM

My friend just got a Sapphire 9800 Pro 128. How do I figure out which bios to use?

I'm not sure what memory it uses or whether it uses "e-die".

me972 · Oct 31, 2004, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f0rbez

My friend just got a Sapphire 9800 Pro 128. How do I figure out which bios to use?

I'm not sure what memory it uses or whether it uses "e-die".

you look at the S/N on the mem chips and run a search on google and then you'll get all the info you need on it.

f0rbez · Oct 31, 2004, 04:06 PM

erm.. I think he put a vga silencer on it already. Is there any way to read that info from bios?

me972 · Oct 31, 2004, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f0rbez

erm.. I think he put a vga silencer on it already. Is there any way to read that info from bios?

NO.... :-(

f0rbez · Oct 31, 2004, 04:43 PM

oh well ill have to rip that silencer off then

Another question, how many pipelines are enabled in a pro as compared to an xt?

me972 · Oct 31, 2004, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f0rbez

oh well ill have to rip that silencer off then

Another question, how many pipelines are enabled in a pro as compared to an xt?

PRO = 8pipes

XT = 8 Pipes

f0rbez · Nov 1, 2004, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me972

PRO = 8pipes

XT = 8 Pipes

Thanks you've been helpful me972. But since they both use 8 pipelines, are there still performance advantages by flashing it to xt as opposed to oc'ing with radlinker or atitool?

Possibly temp monitoring and overdrive would be enabled if the card is an xt pcb I would assume.

Oct 5, 2004, 10:18 PM	#241
muddyfox470 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	balls! just to let ye kno, that my card (powercolor 128mb 9800se aiw (256bit)) was unsuccessful in modding the 8 pipelines to enable me to use them fully! fine, great they unlocked and everthing, but even on stock speeds, start menu started getting boxes momentarily. but in games (and 3dmark) it got worse > squares allover the screen! but hey, it was worth the try! > they unlocked, but i can see why they were locked in the first place! cheers for your help ian just to let u kno, i used the omega drivers as well as the hacked catalyst ones, and they were all pretty similar!

Oct 7, 2004, 03:23 PM	#245
Nicky-chan formally Elclair Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arizona,Pheonix Posts: 360 Rep Power: 0	Well i finaly found a bios that works with the EXCALIBUR R9800PRO ICEQ. specs of card. Hynix memory 2.8ns Core: 350/360 mine came with a 350. Well anyway i took a risk and used a bios i found on the internet. Runs great and smoothly. If anyone has that card ill send u the bios by email. barneygone1337@ml1.net "note this is not my email so it may take time to reply" __________________

Oct 8, 2004, 01:56 AM	#250
Nicky-chan formally Elclair Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arizona,Pheonix Posts: 360 Rep Power: 0	Yay it runs great now. Only ishue is that when windows loads up the screen turns off for a few seconds then turns back on to my start up menu. Its weird but i get better FPS and my memory can overclock all the way up to 395 now. Tho my core doesnt seem to go any higer just stays at a maxium 317. But even when i put the stock speeds 380core and 340mem it ran faster still. "Got better fps" Im using ATI Tool. I just wanna say. Thank you me972 for all your help and wish everyone else good luck. =D __________________

Oct 15, 2004, 03:06 PM	Thread Starter #252
me972 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 696 Rep Power: 0	I wouldn't know I've never had a case where I couldn't save the card by reflashing. as for other people?! I've never seen a post about some one completly burning out his or her card. __________________ Intel 2600K - ASRock Fatality1 Pro(Gen3) -16GB Ram 8-8-8-24 - M4 128GB

Oct 16, 2004, 07:44 AM	#253
IceRedwing51 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Will flashing it to a 9800 XT 128mb give you the temp gauge in windows to monitor the temperatures? Also I thought the XT had a different core... I'm not too sure since I'm more familiar with NVidia's line of cards. But i do own a 9800 pro (2nd rig) and purchasing another 9800 pro for my cousins rig that I'm fixing for him. __________________ \| 100% Air \| 4x Thermaltake 80mm fans \| Thermaltake 120mm fan \| Thermaltake Venus 12 \| [color=aqua]NV Silencer 5 [/color]\| \| AQ3 (Overclocked / [color=red]Legit[/color]) Score: [color=aqua]77337[/color] \| AQ3 (Stock) Score: [color=aqua]65394[/color] \| [color=aqua]SiSoft Memory Bench[/color] \| [color=aqua]Desk Picture[/color] \|

Oct 6, 2004, 01:45 AM	#243
riceboyler DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Big thanks to me972 and others in this forum, as they (unbeknownst to them) helped me on the road to successful opening and overclocking of my Sapphire 9800SE 128MB 256-bit card. I got it off Ebay for $130 (new), got the VGA Silencer Ver. 3 and a few memory coolers from CompUseless, and I'm now running the 9800XT BIOS at XT Stock speeds. I tried to clock it to me972 levels of 425 and 390, but started getting some artifacts, so I turned it back down until I have time to play with it and see about getting the max core and mem speeds. So thanks to you guys. I have one of the best scoring Aquamark rigs amongst my group of friends (most of which work for a large computer mfgr starting with a D and having a slanted E ) for some of the lowest investment. They're all blown away by the capabilities of this card for good reason. Thanks again! Now, any suggestions on how to get a little more out of my card? Should I look into some better RAM coolers maybe? What do all of you suggest?

Oct 7, 2004, 03:40 PM	#246
Chikitta DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Holy land of farmers, UK Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	ATI toolis a nice little piece of software for checking artifacts before you flash: It'll report any errors, and certainly beats watching 3D mark for glitches. 9800 PRO bios @ 411Mhz core 350Mhz mem CAT 4.9 = 6079 9800 XT bios @ 411Mhz core 350Mhz mem CAT 4.9 = 6432 (3D Mark 03) The proof is in the numbers

Oct 15, 2004, 11:54 AM	#251
Deathwing DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	what is the worst scenario if the flashing process goes bad? I do have a PCI video card with me

Oct 17, 2004, 12:34 AM	#255
bullfrog2 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	So all those bioses are just modified pro's and se's bioses? Which one will you recomend I use, I am getting a legend 9800se 128mb ram 256bit. AFAIK the card has 2.8ns hynix ram. So which one should I try first, if my card can handle the overclock?

Oct 18, 2004, 01:48 PM	#257
jonnyboy DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	why is that my hercules 9800se has a r360 chip inint and i have problems overclocking it i overclocked ounce before with the 4.9 catalyst and the patch and it worked but since i reformatted no softmods or the 4.9 and patch will work it feels like its watery on the desktop any ideas?

Oct 22, 2004, 09:07 PM	#259
bullfrog2 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Ok I got my card and it was doa! That sucks, then I found out that there aren't any more of the cards left. Wots even worse is that I can't get another se for that price in my country!!

Oct 29, 2004, 08:25 PM	#261
daseth DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	tell us me972, for knowledge's sake, how exactly do u modify the bioses? i mean do u have programing possibilities over our saved bioses? and if so what programing language do u use? if this isn't the case then how do u do it?

Oct 30, 2004, 04:19 AM	#262
Nicky-chan formally Elclair Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arizona,Pheonix Posts: 360 Rep Power: 0	I use a program called RaBit to modify bios's. Im intrested too what you use. __________________

Oct 31, 2004, 12:19 AM	Thread Starter #263
me972 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 696 Rep Power: 0	there are no TOP SECRETE stories behind all this... I use the same programs you use. before RaBit was here I used to do it with an HEX editor. you cannot use any of your programming knowladge since the BIOS files are already in binery and since I do not have the source code I cannt chage the programing it self. most of what I know came from experiments, more then most so I use this to help others... :-) __________________ Intel 2600K - ASRock Fatality1 Pro(Gen3) -16GB Ram 8-8-8-24 - M4 128GB

Oct 31, 2004, 12:13 PM	#264
f0rbez DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: s jersey, us Posts: 176 Rep Power: 0	My friend just got a Sapphire 9800 Pro 128. How do I figure out which bios to use? I'm not sure what memory it uses or whether it uses "e-die".

Oct 31, 2004, 04:06 PM	#266
f0rbez DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: s jersey, us Posts: 176 Rep Power: 0	erm.. I think he put a vga silencer on it already. Is there any way to read that info from bios?

Oct 31, 2004, 04:43 PM	#268
f0rbez DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: s jersey, us Posts: 176 Rep Power: 0	oh well ill have to rip that silencer off then Another question, how many pipelines are enabled in a pro as compared to an xt?