PowerColor 9800 PRO AIW

MR RIZK · May 9, 2004, 01:13 PM

Okay stupid question.

I have a ATI PowerColor AIW 9800 PRO card with 128 MB but still I do not notice a huge inprovement in performance over my Winfast GeFore 4 MX 440 when playing UT 2004.

Now I know this will be a stupid question. My Asus MB only supports 4x AGP will I notice a significant difference if I swapped out my MB with one that supports 8x? (AMD 2200+ with 512 RAM)

I tested with 3DMARK 03 and scored around 5100 on default settings.

So my question is "Is it worth upgrading my MB to one that supports 8x AGP"

Otherwise I might as well sell it buy a ATI standalone card and a seperate HD TV card as the ATI does not support Digital IN I believe

Thanks in advance

Michael.

Vampyromaniac · May 10, 2004, 06:04 AM

moved to ATI forum, as this isn't really a TV/video-capture question

Well, the 5100 score sounds about right for the 9800, so I have to ask:
Do you notice the slow performance only in UT2004?
Have you tried re-installing the game?
When you upgraded your video card did you reformat/reinstall Windows?
If not, did you at least completely clean out the nVidia drivers with DriverCleaner?

To your other question, this is not a AGP 4x vs. 8x issue, so do not go out and spend money on a new mobo, if that's your only reason.
The difference in performance between AGP 4x and 8x, on a normally functioning system, is unnoticeable and barely measurable.

And lastly, no question is stupid, that helps you learn

MR RIZK · May 10, 2004, 08:03 AM

The machine is pretty much a clean Windows XP/SP1 install. I still need to run DriverCleaner to get rid of the nVidia drivers from the previous install.

UT 2004 is really the only game I have time to play so it is hard to say.

I set the drivers to 4x AA and 16 aniso and it seems the performance picked up within the game. ie: not choppy frames when multiple people in one room @ 1024

I didn't think going from 4x to 8x AGP was going to do much as I don't believe the throughput is even reached on 4x. (I could be wrong though)

Will do some more testing and post any findings.

peterosesbookie · May 12, 2004, 03:39 AM

The setup for HDTV on a computer can be tricky. It depends heavily on system resources when capture with HDTV through the system. Although I do not currently own a HDTV Tuner card, I have a close friend who has one. He had to route the HDTV signal through his AIW card due the lack of processor power (Pentium 4 2.4C to be exact). The system would use 100% cpu power to buffer the signal of the HDTV card (no proc on card). By running the HDTV through the Videocard it used the GPU to process the imaging from the HDTV signal. I hope this help out.

I can't wait for an X800 XT All-in-Wonder with FM, HDTV and VIVO if this is made this would be very nice.

later

pete

MR RIZK · May 12, 2004, 05:36 AM

Thanks for the info Pete.

The problem is more related to the game playing scenario. I tried different versions of the Catalyst drivers 3.1 and 4.4 while using DriverCleaner between each installs and found no diference.

On a AMD 2400+ with 512 RAM I would of thought my FPS would be around 45 at 800x600 with partial UT effects on.

My 3dMARK2003 (5100) is about right comparing with reviews of similar cards on this site and the game has been re-installed

Maybe I'm expecting to much from the card

If anyone can point me in the right direction of maybe a good UT2004 forum it would be appreciated.

Yes a X800 with those features would be nice

May 9, 2004, 01:13 PM	#1
MR RIZK DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	PowerColor 9800 PRO AIW Okay stupid question. I have a ATI PowerColor AIW 9800 PRO card with 128 MB but still I do not notice a huge inprovement in performance over my Winfast GeFore 4 MX 440 when playing UT 2004. Now I know this will be a stupid question. My Asus MB only supports 4x AGP will I notice a significant difference if I swapped out my MB with one that supports 8x? (AMD 2200+ with 512 RAM) I tested with 3DMARK 03 and scored around 5100 on default settings. So my question is "Is it worth upgrading my MB to one that supports 8x AGP" Otherwise I might as well sell it buy a ATI standalone card and a seperate HD TV card as the ATI does not support Digital IN I believe Thanks in advance Michael.

May 10, 2004, 06:04 AM	#2
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	moved to ATI forum, as this isn't really a TV/video-capture question Well, the 5100 score sounds about right for the 9800, so I have to ask: Do you notice the slow performance only in UT2004? Have you tried re-installing the game? When you upgraded your video card did you reformat/reinstall Windows? If not, did you at least completely clean out the nVidia drivers with DriverCleaner? To your other question, this is not a AGP 4x vs. 8x issue, so do not go out and spend money on a new mobo, if that's your only reason. The difference in performance between AGP 4x and 8x, on a normally functioning system, is unnoticeable and barely measurable. And lastly, no question is stupid, that helps you learn __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

May 12, 2004, 03:39 AM	#4
peterosesbookie HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: OHIO Posts: 556 Rep Power: 0	to make this easier The setup for HDTV on a computer can be tricky. It depends heavily on system resources when capture with HDTV through the system. Although I do not currently own a HDTV Tuner card, I have a close friend who has one. He had to route the HDTV signal through his AIW card due the lack of processor power (Pentium 4 2.4C to be exact). The system would use 100% cpu power to buffer the signal of the HDTV card (no proc on card). By running the HDTV through the Videocard it used the GPU to process the imaging from the HDTV signal. I hope this help out. I can't wait for an X800 XT All-in-Wonder with FM, HDTV and VIVO if this is made this would be very nice. later pete

May 10, 2004, 08:03 AM	Thread Starter #3
MR RIZK DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	The machine is pretty much a clean Windows XP/SP1 install. I still need to run DriverCleaner to get rid of the nVidia drivers from the previous install. UT 2004 is really the only game I have time to play so it is hard to say. I set the drivers to 4x AA and 16 aniso and it seems the performance picked up within the game. ie: not choppy frames when multiple people in one room @ 1024 I didn't think going from 4x to 8x AGP was going to do much as I don't believe the throughput is even reached on 4x. (I could be wrong though) Will do some more testing and post any findings.

May 12, 2004, 05:36 AM	Thread Starter #5
MR RIZK DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the info Pete. The problem is more related to the game playing scenario. I tried different versions of the Catalyst drivers 3.1 and 4.4 while using DriverCleaner between each installs and found no diference. On a AMD 2400+ with 512 RAM I would of thought my FPS would be around 45 at 800x600 with partial UT effects on. My 3dMARK2003 (5100) is about right comparing with reviews of similar cards on this site and the game has been re-installed Maybe I'm expecting to much from the card If anyone can point me in the right direction of maybe a good UT2004 forum it would be appreciated. Yes a X800 with those features would be nice