Zeepra

arf.... Soft-modding - she be a harsh mistress...

first off I would reckon you have to boot your computer up on an old pci-card to see if the card is still alive or toasted... if it is still alive, you might be lucky enough to flash it with your old BIOS and with a dash of luck it will work....and you will live with the scare...

if not... well...start crying....then there is no fix..(at least to my knowledge..)

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Zeepra

I was also thinking ..... when you flash the card with the X800XT PE bios, wouldnt that cause the board to heat up quite a bit?.... could that not be enough to kill off your card?...... Only airing out my concerns.... because where I live the X800 Pro does not come cheap....(spent $566 on my card...).

I flashed my R9800P -> XT back in the old days when this was new and so forth...but the stuff with the pixelpipes leaves me a bit worried....

So...anyone who feels very much at home in this field feel free to contact me on MSN (zeepra "AT" mail "dot" dk)

Well.... its all about gathering all your guts, and just plunging into it.. ... god i love the thrill of flashing....and hard-modding when the opportunity comes along..

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mr yellow

Ive read that u can mod a x800pro vivo into x800xt!

I have the Asus x800pro TD (non vivo).
Is their anyway i can unlock the 4 xtra pipes?

Hard or soft mod? or both?

Ta

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For a non vivo you will need to hard mod your GPU with conductive paint to bridge a laser cut link on the chip. Don't know about the softmod, will probably need to do this too.

Zeepra

The standard pro is a bit more tricky a believe, and there are not that many success stories (as far as i know...). Check it out at Rage3d, i know there is a large post on exactly that over there. But the thing is that the 4 remaining pipes weren't functionning properly or something (as i recall)....

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33766704 (somewhere in there they refer to how normal Pro cards behave as far as i can remember..)

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mr yellow

Thanx, will check it out

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Jasco

Hey people

Im really really nervous right now. I got my Powercolor x800pro VIVO a few days back. Yesterday i bios softmodded it using the gigabyte flash and followed the instructions, rebootet my computer and voila, everythinged worked. The extra four pipelines were added and i ran 3dmark03 and Doom III with success. No artifacts or anything.
So i leave my computer on for the night and now im at work using remotedesktop to my computer at home. Suddenly the computer just restarts and when i look under display properties its like: 'default monitor o n' yeah, on nothing.
So i check device manager and the card shows up just right. I have reinstalled the drivers several times but with no luck. God damn im shit nervous right now but cant try using my backup rom because im at work.

And another thing, i checked the temps right after i played Doom III for an hour and it was under 60 celcius. And when im in Windows its 50 (still is as i can see the temperatur with atitool.

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Dave

cant u just shutdown the computer remotely?

Jasco

Yeah i did several hours ago just to be on the safe side. Before i shut it down it was running at 50 celcius.

Haha, when i come home there was nothing wrong. Just a bunch of circumstances that made my heat skip :P

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VuLLs

this is why you use the shit that comes in the box with cd's. i mean if your noob and dont know what to download for bios updates and drivers n so forth then just use the cd's that come with your motherboard and vid card. then update accordingly from the manufactors web sites... like usa.asus.com and intel.com ati.com nvidia.com or what not.

sounds like this bios hack is worthless, and does more harm then good. but it is of user preference so what ever... forcing your 12 pipes to do 16 is just mental... dont really need to do such a thing if you got a good overclocking program going.

i have a/an sapphire x700 pro 256 ddr card. i run ai booster and asus probe and everything works perfectly couldnt ask for more out of my comp.

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blade5545

Before you start calling people noobs look at yourself in the mirror and you'll see one, first of all overclocking has nothing to do with having 12 pipes or 16, overclocking wont do much in this case the reason everybody is trying to get those extra 4 pipes is beacuse it allows for more bandwith to be transfered that means more data can be transferred at one time to be processesed, all the speed of the clock does is increase the speed of the gpu which procecess the data being transffered but it does not increase the amount of data transferred which is why everbody is trying to enable it. Thats the diffrence between all the cards from either ati or nvidia, remember ati 9500 pro and 9700pro you could have them running the same clock speed but the 9700 was faster beacuse it could transfer more data at one time thanks to the extra pipes which were enabled on the 9700 but were disabled on the 9500.

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VuLLs

and i care? all your doing is damaging your computer and wasting money to replace parts.

first off the cpu gives more fps, so overclocking does help, say like a 8 pipeline vid card... overclocking would making it more like a 9 or 10, adds in performance and quality. yet, yes has nothing to do with bandwidth.

however, forcing more data then the computer is specified to handle is retarded. you do not need to get more pipes if you have a good isp and overall comp. T1 or so is all you need for gaming... and i doubt a server would need more video bandwidth since games like hl2 and cs servers do not require the server to use the video cards to upload to clients.

quite hilarious 12 is more then enough and not really needed to over it... i bet these guys are overclocking and over doing the pipe lines and over all the comp will only last a mere year or not even so before slowing down and becoming unstable.

like i said... worthless and does more harm then good. enless you or your mommy and pops are rich and like replaceing computer parts every other year.
i'd rather have a long lasting comp, its less stressful and expensive... i'd rather use that time and money for life.

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No_Style

Ok, people. Let's bring it down a few notches. Name calling is not needed here This is an official warning.

As for the whole pipeline enabling issue, it does help help performance on video card dependent applications and games. It all depends on how high you wish to crank up those image quality settings. Overclocking the CPU would not help a video card dependent game as much as more available bandwidth from more pipelines. A lot of people have successfully enabled those pipelines and some have not. I originally posted this warning from Sapphire to inform people of the dangers of it.

People can successfully enable their lines if their card was originally a 16 pipe card marked down to a 12 pipe due to demand or not meeting certain quality standards. (like meeting X800XT clockspeeds).

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Ok I am sorry if I came off a little strong, but please get your technology facts straight before you start calliing people noobs and giving people the wrong info, that quote is the most technologicly incorrect thing I ever read , and please dont take offense to it but as reason to study up on on how this stuff really works, remember knowledge is power. I am not trying to be an ASS I just hate when people start firing off tech terms without trying to understand the technology behind it, that makes you just dangerous enough to screw something up but not good enough to fix it. And the real noobs which are just starting out end up paying the price beacuse of incorrect info. Admiting that you dont know something is the first step to learning, all of us started that way so I'm not trying to knock you down.

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VuLLs

what ever dude i really dont care about your opinion... i know what im talking about and i have done enough research on my comp and its capabilities and ingame requirements. its not needed and its basically overkill. overclocking works just fine if you have a nice good water cooling system or liquid nitrogen compressor + phase change. can get up to 5 ghz with -32 or so faren temp. works like a charm for hl2, doom3, and farcry.

for a vid and info on the actual project go here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20031230/index.html
err heres the link...
http://www12.tomshardware.com/images...eo_11_5ghz.zip

i've done the same thing (similiar) and overclocking is indeed better then the pipeline overing. less damaging when temps are safe + low and gives more umph in performance and quality.
a 12 pipeline is well enough with overclocks... but if you were to force it to go to 16 pipes (which hardware wise it cant do) and overclock then the vid card and or motherboard, or even the cpu will not last more then 1 year before dying or slowing down or giving you problems... that and you can blow fuses... you'd really need low temps to operate at maximum capability.

the more bandwidth issue is also redundant as T1 is all a gamer ever needs.
for servers about a T3 to host 10 users with mere ease for a game like cs source cal and or cpl league. that and theirs overclocked servers and jesus they got cable connection thats like 600/480 up and down and they work just fine. thus my point in video cards forcing them to 16 pipes is redundant.

btw to clarify since ya didnt understand, i never called any one a noob nor implied that your noob for changing a computers specs... i merely made a statement about noobs using the boxed software for safety issues. heck if you know how, and wish to change the computer specs to overclocking or overing pipes then more power to ya... but if you dont know what your doing - as i stated - (aka a noob) then just use box software for safety, so you dont fuck something up or damage your comp then end up buying a new component or a total new comp because of a mistake ya made.

well im out - peace.

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No_Style

Pipelines for a video card determine how many "roads" are available for drawing textures onto 3D objects (ie. Fill Rate) The more you have the faster the fill rate is. It has nothing to do with internet connection and servers. Running a UT2K4 server (stand-alone) can be done with a Radeon 7000 if you wanted to. It's more of a processor, memory and network performance bound thing.

Clockspeeds alone do not determine a card's performance. Take for example the 9600XT vs 9500 PRO. Most of the more tech savvy individuals would prefer a 9500 PRO over the higher clocked 9600XT. Why? Because the of the 4 extra pipelines that the 9500 PRO carries (9500 PRO is quite possibly the best card ever released in terms of price/performance before the X Series was released by ATI).

Like I said originally, there are cards are able to use the 16 pipes without any issues because they were merely disabled. The architecture between a X800 PRO and X800 XT are identical, the only difference is the post production quality testing. The X800 XT needs very (rare) high quality and high performance cores in order to pass them off as X800 XT's. Some of these cores are rejected as X800XT cores merely because they cannot sustain default X800XT clockspeeds, but have 100% working pipelines. Instead of tossing these cores out they merely disable the 4 pipes and pass it off as an X800 PRO. The same process goes with CPU's made by Intel and AMD.

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You obviously dont know what your talking about and I dont know where you do your reaserch beacuse its all wrong, did you even bother to read what me and No Style wrote or are we just telling you this stuff for nothing, first of all the bandwidth we are talking about has nothing to do with your internet connection, read what No Style is writing.

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no style - ya ya i know the whole ordeal with the pipes... im saying, well then get a ati radeon x850 or a nvidia geforce 6800 ultra if you want 16 pipes their hardware supports it as well as software... forcing a 12 pipe card to do 16 which it cant do in either hardware or software will only damage it. i guess thats why they call it a hack... quite obvious.

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Ok, Ok. Let's drop the topic and everybody cool off, alright? Everybody has their own reasons to do things. Any more bickering and insults will not be tolerated here. This is the last warning. If you guys want to duke it out with words, please use the Flame Warzone. I've edited out the insults and I hope you two will not continue it here.

Thanks.

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Alright I'll be good, I been on this forum for way too long to get into little freaking fights.

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Spike1977

Hi am new here today .

I would like to say hi to everyone and have read this post.

My card proof that it can be done, but have not gone silly with the speed's, just taken it to the XTPE speeds and am happy with the results

Spike1977

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Boxer_boy

Hi guys, can anyone tell me if this trick can be applyed to pci-e cards?
im gonna freak if u can't



EDIT: hehe, just realized this is my first post here (even tho i've been lurking forever) and i joined so lon ago 2, well... Hi everone

No_Style

Greetings and Welcome to DH.

I've personally have not heard of the hack being applied to PCI-E cards because quite frankly, PCI-E users aren't as common. I would imagine that it would work, but don't quote me on it.

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Boxer_boy

Hmmm guess im either gonna hafta be bold, or go nvidia, ill ask around abit and post once i have some results.

i feel like a traitor... but it feels so good

Maniac_Martin

ok guys, I really need a original BIOS, its so bad what happened

started off
flashrom -s original.rom on its own floppy
then went to gigabyte floppy
GVF11 -p R80X256V.F1 -f and then used another floppy with a ATI X800 XT bios
flashrom -p X800XTV.rom -f and booted up, all seemed well but I guess my damn card has been laser cut! so I had artifacts in anything 3D, lol...
I decided to go back to original BIOS
flashrom -p original.rom -f and reboot, still had 16 pipes running, couldnt figure it out, but I did, I know now why it went wrong...
the flashrom I was using didnt even touch the pipeline numbers, so what should only have 12 pipes was still using 16, and only 12 worked right becasue laser cut.. or damaged... and I needed to use my original bios and be back to 12 pipes, but my dad took my floppy with original bios and.... *oh how terrible* so now I`m sitting here, 16 pipe x800pro which only has 12 operational pipes trying to get a bios that will work... I had it back down to12, but without original bios to tell what pipes to use, its hopeless...

PF Prophet

Um i used flashrom(latest ver) and the asus xt pe bios and it works fine. and as a test i flashed back to 12 pipe (Backed up) and it went to 12.

I think its more the version of flashrom you use and the bios you flash to it.

Oh and I use the asus x800pro vivo and moded it.

use atitool to max out the fan(loud) with the stock cooling on the vpu. (asus uses full sized cooler) and added some smalle ram sinks ( marketed for ddr/sdr sticks) works nice gonna put a bigger cooler on it soon though

PF Prophet

same thing works just got to use the pci-e bios. Not a problem. 2 ppl iknow did it with power color cards no problem.(avoid sapphire they been using 1/2 and 1/2 ram thats 2ns/1.6ns on alot of cards...this applys to bba cards as well)

PF Prophet

OMFG i went back and read this.........all i can say is "some people are dumb"

dosnt know the diffrance between 12 and 16 pipes and bandwith.......*shakes head* im not gonna comment anymore its already been explained :P

df69

Hay guys, how fine are the traces that need to be conected on the stock 800pro, i have an expertvision card and was toying with the idea of unlocking the other 4 pipes.