9800 PRO performance

avirox · Dec 14, 2004, 09:14 PM

I know there's about 20 of these threads, but it's really bothered me a lot. Recently I got a Built by ATi 9800PRO 128mb 256bit (or so read the box). I upgraded from a 9600 PRO, and have reinstalled windows twice since (though I did not format C, since I dont belive in the conspiracy theories). However, I notice that in the VST in CS:S I only get 65fps. I have done all those steps people use; uninstalling, using driver cleaner, installing mobo drivers. No difference. I've tried out 3dmark03, and with my card OCd a bit I get a score of 5705. I'm running HL2 at 1024x768 all on max. I have seen most 9800 pro owners with 2500+s getting 80fps + in this bench with the same specs, so why are mine so low? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Peace,

My specs:
350W Antec PSU
Athlon XP 2400+ (2.0)
512 DDR
R9800PRO 128MB DDR (420/700) (AGP at 4x, I hear it only makes a 2-4 fps diff)

Edit: Also, here are my volt readings:
VCore 1.66
3.3v 3.17
5v 4.92
12v 12.22
-12v -13.02
-5v -5.1
VBAT 3.26
5VSB 4.92

me972 · Dec 14, 2004, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avirox

I know there's about 20 of these threads, but it's really bothered me a lot. Recently I got a Built by ATi 9800PRO 128mb 256bit (or so read the box). I upgraded from a 9600 PRO, and have reinstalled windows twice since (though I did not format C, since I dont belive in the conspiracy theories). However, I notice that in the VST in CS:S I only get 65fps. I have done all those steps people use; uninstalling, using driver cleaner, installing mobo drivers. No difference. I've tried out 3dmark03, and with my card OCd a bit I get a score of 5705. I'm running HL2 at 1024x768 all on max. I have seen most 9800 pro owners with 2500+s getting 80fps + in this bench with the same specs, so why are mine so low? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Peace,

My specs:
350W Antec PSU
Athlon XP 2400+ (2.0)
512 DDR
R9800PRO 128MB DDR (420/700) (AGP at 4x, I hear it only makes a 2-4 fps diff)

Edit: Also, here are my volt readings:
VCore 1.66
3.3v 3.17
5v 4.92
12v 12.22
-12v -13.02
-5v -5.1
VBAT 3.26
5VSB 4.92

VOlt readings make no diff on fps - you'd need to check these only if you had artifacts and graphics problems.

as for your card getting 5700 on 3dmark03... thats ok for stock speeds...meaning there is no problem with your card and the reason for your low FPS in games would be system related..
what you need to do is run Aquamark03 on your system as this test puts a strain on your system and not just the card.
post back the CPU/Graphics/TOTAL scores that you got and then we could tell you for sure what your problems are...

me972

refraction · Dec 14, 2004, 09:41 PM

what drivers are you using? chipset and graphics card ones if you can.

avirox · Dec 14, 2004, 09:52 PM

I've tried lots of drivers, but right now - 4.12 ATi officials with radlinker, and the latest VIA hyperions. They seem to get me the best performance. Peace,

avirox · Dec 14, 2004, 10:21 PM

ok, here are my aquamark scores:

GFX: 5,649
CPU: 4,864

Final Score is 35,733

Is that ok??? Peace,

me972 · Dec 15, 2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avirox

ok, here are my aquamark scores:

GFX: 5,649
CPU: 4,864

Final Score is 35,733

Is that ok??? Peace,

these are my scores:
[color=black]AquaMark Score: [/color][color=black]53048 [/color][color=black] AquaMark CPU Score: [/color][color=black]9677 [/color][color=black] AquaMark GFX Score: [/color][color=black]7307[/color]

as you can see - GFX card scores are not so far a part. seeing as my card is well overclocked then yours...
but the CPU scores on your system are very low - meaning that most of the problem that your having comes from the system and not the GFX card.

you should try fixing up the timings to your memeory and try to optimize your BIOS settings all over....
rgds
me972

avirox · Dec 15, 2004, 04:00 PM

Thanks for the heads up - is there a guide to bios settings etc? Also, what should I set my memory timings to (i think in the bios I saw CAS etc.). I dont know if I want to do a complete overhaul of my system's bios settings since I'm getting an AMD64 3000+ next week, but every little bit of extra performance would be nice till then

Thanks,

me972 · Dec 15, 2004, 04:30 PM

you should go ask the guys at the motherboards and stuff threads on this.. :-)

avirox · Dec 15, 2004, 05:37 PM

I found a bios guide and I didnt get any improvement, save my ram acting a little faster (so atleast it wasnt a total waste I guess). It actually makes sense that my CPU is holding me down, since I noticed in the VST that when I enabled AA and AF there was like a 1/2 fps difference. Hmmm... Thanks again!

Son_of_Thunder · Dec 15, 2004, 07:09 PM

just out of shear morbid curiousity, what VIA chipset is it? my kt400 Asus A7V8X-X was stuck w/ about those same scores, both with my 9800pro and x800xt.

me972 · Dec 15, 2004, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avirox

I found a bios guide and I didnt get any improvement, save my ram acting a little faster (so atleast it wasnt a total waste I guess). It actually makes sense that my CPU is holding me down, since I noticed in the VST that when I enabled AA and AF there was like a 1/2 fps difference. Hmmm... Thanks again!

your welcome... :-)

avirox · Dec 15, 2004, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Son_of_Thunder

just out of shear morbid curiousity, what VIA chipset is it? my kt400 Asus A7V8X-X was stuck w/ about those same scores, both with my 9800pro and x800xt.

Biostar KM266. Also I guess the fact that I only have 4x AGP is lowering my gfx score a bit. Peace,

Furious1 · Dec 16, 2004, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avirox

Biostar KM266. Also I guess the fact that I only have 4x AGP is lowering my gfx score a bit. Peace,

4x AGP will not really be making any difference to you.....

Geminiwave · Dec 17, 2004, 01:50 AM

rojakpot has a REALLY good bios guide

http://www.rojakpot.com/

look on the far left in the menu thingy. theres a bios opt guide. check it out. It is VERY GOOD!

or you can buy their book at most book stores. It is much more user friendly and only about $10.

avirox · Dec 17, 2004, 02:21 AM

wow thanks a lot!

avirox · Dec 24, 2004, 03:18 AM

ok, just wanted to post that it seems all along it WAS my cpu holding me down. I just got my AMD64 3000+, and now i get 97.4fps in the valve stress test as opposed to the 64 i got with my 2400+. 64bit all the way

Peace,

Geminiwave · Dec 24, 2004, 07:30 PM

or maybe it was F-ed up motherboard stuff and now that you swapped mobos its better.

either way you have a nice rig now.

Dec 14, 2004, 09:14 PM	#1
avirox DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	9800 PRO performance I know there's about 20 of these threads, but it's really bothered me a lot. Recently I got a Built by ATi 9800PRO 128mb 256bit (or so read the box). I upgraded from a 9600 PRO, and have reinstalled windows twice since (though I did not format C, since I dont belive in the conspiracy theories). However, I notice that in the VST in CS:S I only get 65fps. I have done all those steps people use; uninstalling, using driver cleaner, installing mobo drivers. No difference. I've tried out 3dmark03, and with my card OCd a bit I get a score of 5705. I'm running HL2 at 1024x768 all on max. I have seen most 9800 pro owners with 2500+s getting 80fps + in this bench with the same specs, so why are mine so low? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Peace, My specs: 350W Antec PSU Athlon XP 2400+ (2.0) 512 DDR R9800PRO 128MB DDR (420/700) (AGP at 4x, I hear it only makes a 2-4 fps diff) Edit: Also, here are my volt readings: VCore 1.66 3.3v 3.17 5v 4.92 12v 12.22 -12v -13.02 -5v -5.1 VBAT 3.26 5VSB 4.92 Last edited by avirox; Dec 14, 2004 at 09:27 PM.

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Dec 15, 2004, 07:09 PM	#10
Son_of_Thunder HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 1,441 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	just out of shear morbid curiousity, what VIA chipset is it? my kt400 Asus A7V8X-X was stuck w/ about those same scores, both with my 9800pro and x800xt. __________________

Dec 17, 2004, 01:50 AM	#14
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	rojakpot has a REALLY good bios guide http://www.rojakpot.com/ look on the far left in the menu thingy. theres a bios opt guide. check it out. It is VERY GOOD! or you can buy their book at most book stores. It is much more user friendly and only about $10. __________________

Dec 14, 2004, 09:52 PM	Thread Starter #4
avirox DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	I've tried lots of drivers, but right now - 4.12 ATi officials with radlinker, and the latest VIA hyperions. They seem to get me the best performance. Peace,

Dec 14, 2004, 10:21 PM	Thread Starter #5
avirox DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	ok, here are my aquamark scores: GFX: 5,649 CPU: 4,864 Final Score is 35,733 Is that ok??? Peace,

Dec 15, 2004, 04:00 PM	Thread Starter #7
avirox DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the heads up - is there a guide to bios settings etc? Also, what should I set my memory timings to (i think in the bios I saw CAS etc.). I dont know if I want to do a complete overhaul of my system's bios settings since I'm getting an AMD64 3000+ next week, but every little bit of extra performance would be nice till then Thanks,

Dec 15, 2004, 05:37 PM	Thread Starter #9
avirox DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	I found a bios guide and I didnt get any improvement, save my ram acting a little faster (so atleast it wasnt a total waste I guess). It actually makes sense that my CPU is holding me down, since I noticed in the VST that when I enabled AA and AF there was like a 1/2 fps difference. Hmmm... Thanks again!

Dec 17, 2004, 02:21 AM	Thread Starter #15
avirox DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	wow thanks a lot!

Dec 24, 2004, 03:18 AM	Thread Starter #16
avirox DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	ok, just wanted to post that it seems all along it WAS my cpu holding me down. I just got my AMD64 3000+, and now i get 97.4fps in the valve stress test as opposed to the 64 i got with my 2400+. 64bit all the way Peace,

Dec 24, 2004, 07:30 PM	#17
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	or maybe it was F-ed up motherboard stuff and now that you swapped mobos its better. either way you have a nice rig now. __________________