9800 Pro Or Geforce 6600?

akademdice · Apr 8, 2005, 03:25 AM

well i would like to get the facts str8 because my friend and I been fighting over this topic for years.......my friend says 6600 is better but i say 9800 Pro is better so im confuse...can anyone help me by tellin me which graphic card is better also if u can show me proof so i can show my friend well.... Thanks in Advance.

FearTheTerp · Apr 8, 2005, 03:29 AM

6600 GT, overall, is better than the 9800 pro. The 9800 pro beats the non GT 6600 though.

dicecca112 · Apr 8, 2005, 04:15 AM

basically the are on par with each other, but I believe the 6600 series beats it because the the 6600 has more pipes, higher pixel shader support, and better DX9 support

Duranix · Apr 8, 2005, 04:26 AM

and its faster.

Duranix · Apr 8, 2005, 04:30 AM

9800 pro:

128MB or 256MB of double data rate SDRAM
378mhz core 338 mhz memory (thats my defaults anyway)

Eight parallel rendering pipelines
Four parallel geometry engines
256-bit DDR memory interface
AGP 8X support
SMARTSHADER™ 2.1
- Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shaders in hardware
- 2.0 Vertex Shaders support vertex programs up to 65,280 instructions with flow control
- 2.0 Pixel Shaders support up to 16 textures per rendering pass
- New F-buffer technology supports pixel shader programs with unlimited instructions
- 128-bit, 64-bit & 32-bit per pixel floating point color formats
- Multiple Render Target (MRT) support
- Shadow volume rendering acceleration
- Complete feature set also supported in OpenGL® via extension
- SMOOTHVISION™ 2.1
  - 2x/4x/6x full scene anti-aliasing modes
  - Adaptive algorithm with programmable sample patterns
  - 2x/4x/8x/16x anisotropic filtering modes
    - Adaptive algorithm with bi-linear (performance) and tri-linear (quality) options
- HYPER Z™ III+
  - 3-level Hierarchical Z-Buffer with early Z test
  - Lossless Z-Buffer compression (up to 24:1)
  - Fast Z-Buffer Clear
  - Z cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering
- TRUFORM™ 2.0
  - 2nd generation N-Patch higher order surface support
  - Discrete and continuous tessellation levels per polygon
  - Displacement mapping
- VIDEOSHADER™
  - Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video
  - FULLSTREAM™ video de-blocking technology
  - Noise removal filtering for captured video

6600GT:
Core
500 MHz
RAMDAC Speed 400 MHz 128-bit memory
GDDR3 SDRAM 128 MB

it may look like the 9800 pro is better, but with the faster core and memory of the 6600GT, it makes up for the lesser bandwidth.

CDsDontBurn · Apr 8, 2005, 04:37 AM

both cards are excellent cards. I would say that the 9800pro is a better card than the 6600, but the 6600GT will pwnt the 9800pro any day of the week. the 9800XT is a better match for the 6600GT. The 6600/GT are both 128bit bandwith cards whereas the 9800pro/XT are both 256bit bandwith cards.....not that it makes a difference when comparing both of these cards. Both cards have 8 pixel pipelines. The thing that the 6600/GT cards have over the 9800pro/XT is that they have PS 3.0 support, whereas NO ATI card to date has PS 3.0 support at all (doesn't mean that they're not good cards though).

But if it were me picking a card, i would pick the 9800pro/XT only because i like ATI cards better than nVidia cards (and i own an nVidia card too

).

farkas · Apr 8, 2005, 04:42 AM

Although I prefer the flavor of ATI, I would mostly lean on the 6600GT for upcoming games and the most recent ones.

I beleive that the 256bit interface of the 9800 Pro is what is making it a strong card, and if you have one of those, there is absolutely no reason to switch to 6600GT. But for a new purchase, I would buy the 6600GT.

Basically, aside from High Res (1600 x 1200, not 1280 or 1024), I beleive the benchmarks mostly lean on 9800 pro, but Vertex shader performance and the rest, the 6600GT outperforms in most circumstances, except the remaining games on DX 8.1

Just my opinion from reading the benchmarks since the 6600GT came out.

farkas · Apr 8, 2005, 04:45 AM

Forgot to mention that the 6600 GT runs cooler than 9800 pro and does not require a free molex connector.

CDsDontBurn · Apr 8, 2005, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farkas

Forgot to mention that the 6600 GT runs cooler than 9800 pro and does not require a free molex connector.

that's not entirely true......the gigabyte 6600GT requires a molex

Firstperson · Apr 8, 2005, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farkas

Forgot to mention that the 6600 GT runs cooler than 9800 pro and does not require a free molex connector.

Check out the nvidia card forum, this has been talked about

Also the 6600 GT and 9800 pro/xt requires a full size molex the 9800pro AIW requires a micro molex(floppy)

The (pci-E) 6600 and 6600GT does not require another powersouce
Both agp 6600 and 6600gt require a molex

I have own both and the 6600GT is a nicer card by far, I just like everything about it better than my 9800 AIW PRO.

Firstperson

Edit(updated 9800 info)

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 8, 2005, 07:51 AM

The 6600GT is faster then the 9800 pro in most cases especially with higher resolutions.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...119/index.html
The X700 would be more trivial...But there is no AGP version as of yet....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firstperson

Check out the nvidia card forum, this has been talked about

Also the 6600 requires a full size molex the 9800 is a micro molex(floppy size)

I have own both and the 6600Gt is a nicer card by far, I just like everthing about it better than my 9800pro.

Firstperson

The 9500's 9700's and the 9800 SE's and 9800 128bit versions do...
The 9800 pro's and XT's have a full STD molex connector lest with all I've seen

CDsDontBurn · Apr 8, 2005, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

The 6600GT is faster then the 9800 pro in most cases especially with higher resolutions.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...119/index.html
The X700 would be more trivial...But there is no AGP version as of yet....

The 9500's 9700's and the 9800 SE's and 9800 128bit versions do...
The 9800 pro's and XT's have a full STD molex connector lest with all I've seen

the 9800SE = 128bit version. 9800np/pro/xt = 256bit versions

farkas · Apr 8, 2005, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

that's not entirely true......the gigabyte 6600GT requires a molex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firstperson

Also the 6600 requires a full size molex the 9800 is a micro molex(floppy size)

Thanks for the correction guys. I was sure it did not need one. Guess that I assumed too fast, should of double checked.

Firstperson · Apr 8, 2005, 10:21 PM

Hey I made a mistake and updated my post, just check out new egg for pictures

Firstperson

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 9, 2005, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

the 9800SE = 128bit version. 9800np/pro/xt = 256bit versions

there are pro versions useing 128bit memory now! that where introduced a big deal early fall of last year! Thier alot cheaper but are clocked the exact same as the real 9800 pro....

SAPPHIRE was one of the people doing it... There where others
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/other-tech-news/48372-sapphire-responds-128-bit-confusion.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...521081115.html
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16650
It was a big monkey F*** But they still floating around out there on the market / ebay
...some people likey still have them...

jasonbourne · Apr 9, 2005, 05:49 PM

and wot about a geforce 6800gt and a radeonx800xl ,wich one is better?

farkas · Apr 9, 2005, 09:53 PM

I prefer the X800XL. Which one is better is not really answerable unless you have a group of games you tend to play.

Essentially, OpenGL is usually better served on Nvidia's cards, were DX games are better on ATI's usually.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 10, 2005, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonbourne

and wot about a geforce 6800gt and a radeonx800xl ,wich one is better?

For me the X800XL

best bang for buck especailly for the prices
as cheap as $275 and up in retail and as cheap as $200 and up on ebay
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/x800xl/index.htm

AGP pushes it up about $50, and actually kills a small amount of performance
Most people really should be looking @ pci express anyways

Jejking · Apr 10, 2005, 03:25 PM

For me also the X800XL if I had the money, but why?

80% of the reviewing websites agrees with me: cheaper and faster (especially in DX9, and with AA and AF enabled it will crush the 6800GT). Bring it on!

And between the 9800Pro and the standard 6600, I would stay with the 9800Pro, because PS3.0 on the 6600 is nice, but not usable to use for example HDR... It is simply too weak to use that... I would say, buy the cheapest one, and save money until you are able to buy a 6800-series GPU or a X8x0XT, or a cheap pipeline-cutted R520 when it comes out in different versions around June

.

[offtopic] The '6800GT vs. X800XL'-discussion doesn't belong in this topic, but in many others it does... Stick to the subject guys

... [/offtopic]

JoeNukem61201 · Apr 11, 2005, 03:59 PM

Okay this is my opinion-I would get a 9800 pro instead of the 6600 GT.....I been hearing alot of promblems with the card....like over heating and etc....im not saying the 6600 GT is a bad choice but ATI is more reliable...I went through alot of promblems with my 6600 GT and im returning it to newegg and getting a sapphire 9800 pro...

people should remember my thread "promblems with the 6600 GT" everybody tried to fiqure out the possibility but they end of being stuped cause that wasent the problem.

So i would say get the 9800 pro

RIV@NVX · Apr 11, 2005, 04:08 PM

My friend was buying new computer few moths ago, and had similar doubts. I suggested him to go for 6600 because it's newer card (unfortunately, he in the end cut the budget a bit and bought an X600). I would probably choose 6600, because, IMHO, it offers more potential.

swatX · Apr 12, 2005, 03:31 AM

9800pro and 6600 are basically on par with each other however 6600gt beats 9800pro in any given benchmark . it even beats the 9800xt.

C47 · Apr 12, 2005, 06:44 AM

well this explains it all

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...gt-agp-03.html

even gettin a 9800PRo and flashin it to XT wont help

FrankenBerrie · Apr 12, 2005, 06:47 PM

If your not going 6600GT meaning just the AGP version 6600 - go with the ATi

Geminiwave · Apr 12, 2005, 08:42 PM

when you crank up the FSAA and AF, the 9800PRO always wins. If you dont use either, then the 6600 wins.

I dont like nvidia though, so I'd probably go for the 9800Pro. just my opinion.

Callandor · Apr 12, 2005, 09:22 PM

Yeah, I'm all ATi too, and I'd opt for the 9800pro as well (as I believe Nvidia doesen't last that far into the future), but if I were you, I'd seriously consider saving up for a 9800XT, now that's a card you can really compare to the 6600GT, and which surpasses it by far if treated the right way.

Apr 8, 2005, 03:25 AM	#1
akademdice DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	9800 Pro Or Geforce 6600? well i would like to get the facts str8 because my friend and I been fighting over this topic for years.......my friend says 6600 is better but i say 9800 Pro is better so im confuse...can anyone help me by tellin me which graphic card is better also if u can show me proof so i can show my friend well.... Thanks in Advance.

Apr 8, 2005, 03:29 AM	#2
FearTheTerp DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pacific Grove, California Posts: 358 Rep Power: 0	6600 GT, overall, is better than the 9800 pro. The 9800 pro beats the non GT 6600 though. __________________ System specs Motherboard:Biostar M7NCD Pro Cpu:AMD XP 2600+ Throughbred B @ 2340 195x12 Memory:2x Corsair CMX512-3200c2PT @ 195 mHz 2-3-3-10 Dual channel Graphics Card: Ati Radeon 9800 Pro All-In-Wonder w/Vga Silencer Rev 3 Antec SL-350

Apr 8, 2005, 04:15 AM	#3
dicecca112 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	basically the are on par with each other, but I believe the 6600 series beats it because the the 6600 has more pipes, higher pixel shader support, and better DX9 support __________________ Athlon XP-M 2600+ @ 2.6 1.675 Vcore (IQYHA 0352MPRW) PNY 6800GT DFI Lanparty NFII Ultra B Kingston Valueram PC3200 1gb WW Block, Thermochill Rad, AquaExtreme Mag Pump Antec TruePower 550W Hauppauge pvr-250 Tv-Tuner Card Antec slk3700bqe 2x80GB Hitachi Sata

Apr 8, 2005, 04:26 AM	#4
Duranix DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 614 Rep Power: 0	and its faster. __________________

Apr 8, 2005, 04:30 AM	#5
Duranix DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 614 Rep Power: 0	9800 pro: 128MB or 256MB of double data rate SDRAM 378mhz core 338 mhz memory (thats my defaults anyway) Eight parallel rendering pipelines Four parallel geometry engines 256-bit DDR memory interface AGP 8X support SMARTSHADER™ 2.1 Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shaders in hardware 2.0 Vertex Shaders support vertex programs up to 65,280 instructions with flow control 2.0 Pixel Shaders support up to 16 textures per rendering pass New F-buffer technology supports pixel shader programs with unlimited instructions 128-bit, 64-bit & 32-bit per pixel floating point color formats Multiple Render Target (MRT) support Shadow volume rendering acceleration Complete feature set also supported in OpenGL® via extension SMOOTHVISION™ 2.1 2x/4x/6x full scene anti-aliasing modes Adaptive algorithm with programmable sample patterns 2x/4x/8x/16x anisotropic filtering modes Adaptive algorithm with bi-linear (performance) and tri-linear (quality) options HYPER Z™ III+ 3-level Hierarchical Z-Buffer with early Z test Lossless Z-Buffer compression (up to 24:1) Fast Z-Buffer Clear Z cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering TRUFORM™ 2.0 2nd generation N-Patch higher order surface support Discrete and continuous tessellation levels per polygon Displacement mapping VIDEOSHADER™ Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video FULLSTREAM™ video de-blocking technology Noise removal filtering for captured video 6600GT: Core 500 MHz RAMDAC Speed 400 MHz 128-bit memory GDDR3 SDRAM 128 MB it may look like the 9800 pro is better, but with the faster core and memory of the 6600GT, it makes up for the lesser bandwidth. __________________

Apr 8, 2005, 04:37 AM	#6
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,760 Rep Power: 231 System Specs	both cards are excellent cards. I would say that the 9800pro is a better card than the 6600, but the 6600GT will pwnt the 9800pro any day of the week. the 9800XT is a better match for the 6600GT. The 6600/GT are both 128bit bandwith cards whereas the 9800pro/XT are both 256bit bandwith cards.....not that it makes a difference when comparing both of these cards. Both cards have 8 pixel pipelines. The thing that the 6600/GT cards have over the 9800pro/XT is that they have PS 3.0 support, whereas NO ATI card to date has PS 3.0 support at all (doesn't mean that they're not good cards though). But if it were me picking a card, i would pick the 9800pro/XT only because i like ATI cards better than nVidia cards (and i own an nVidia card too ). __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Apr 8, 2005, 04:42 AM	#7
farkas IT Support Specialist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ste-Anne-de-Beaupre, Québec, Can Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0	Although I prefer the flavor of ATI, I would mostly lean on the 6600GT for upcoming games and the most recent ones. I beleive that the 256bit interface of the 9800 Pro is what is making it a strong card, and if you have one of those, there is absolutely no reason to switch to 6600GT. But for a new purchase, I would buy the 6600GT. Basically, aside from High Res (1600 x 1200, not 1280 or 1024), I beleive the benchmarks mostly lean on 9800 pro, but Vertex shader performance and the rest, the 6600GT outperforms in most circumstances, except the remaining games on DX 8.1 Just my opinion from reading the benchmarks since the 6600GT came out. __________________ K8N DLX (s754) A64 3200+ Thermalright XP-120 Corsair CMX512C2 X 2 1GB total Asus X800XT PE with ATI Silencer 4 rev 1 120Gb Sea SATA + 120GB WD PATA + 80GB WD PATA

Apr 8, 2005, 04:45 AM	#8
farkas IT Support Specialist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ste-Anne-de-Beaupre, Québec, Can Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0	Forgot to mention that the 6600 GT runs cooler than 9800 pro and does not require a free molex connector. __________________ K8N DLX (s754) A64 3200+ Thermalright XP-120 Corsair CMX512C2 X 2 1GB total Asus X800XT PE with ATI Silencer 4 rev 1 120Gb Sea SATA + 120GB WD PATA + 80GB WD PATA

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Firstperson What? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 232 Rep Power: 0	Hey I made a mistake and updated my post, just check out new egg for pictures Firstperson

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jasonbourne DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: great yarmouth uk Posts: 1,082 Rep Power: 0	and wot about a geforce 6800gt and a radeonx800xl ,wich one is better? __________________ http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...asonBourne.jpg

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farkas IT Support Specialist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ste-Anne-de-Beaupre, Québec, Can Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0	I prefer the X800XL. Which one is better is not really answerable unless you have a group of games you tend to play. Essentially, OpenGL is usually better served on Nvidia's cards, were DX games are better on ATI's usually. __________________ K8N DLX (s754) A64 3200+ Thermalright XP-120 Corsair CMX512C2 X 2 1GB total Asus X800XT PE with ATI Silencer 4 rev 1 120Gb Sea SATA + 120GB WD PATA + 80GB WD PATA

Apr 10, 2005, 03:25 PM	#19
Jejking HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 582 Rep Power: 0	For me also the X800XL if I had the money, but why? 80% of the reviewing websites agrees with me: cheaper and faster (especially in DX9, and with AA and AF enabled it will crush the 6800GT). Bring it on! And between the 9800Pro and the standard 6600, I would stay with the 9800Pro, because PS3.0 on the 6600 is nice, but not usable to use for example HDR... It is simply too weak to use that... I would say, buy the cheapest one, and save money until you are able to buy a 6800-series GPU or a X8x0XT, or a cheap pipeline-cutted R520 when it comes out in different versions around June . [offtopic] The '6800GT vs. X800XL'-discussion doesn't belong in this topic, but in many others it does... Stick to the subject guys ... [/offtopic] __________________ Strike back with Team MAD against disease, it's worth the try

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JoeNukem61201 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in hell Posts: 82 Rep Power: 0	Okay this is my opinion-I would get a 9800 pro instead of the 6600 GT.....I been hearing alot of promblems with the card....like over heating and etc....im not saying the 6600 GT is a bad choice but ATI is more reliable...I went through alot of promblems with my 6600 GT and im returning it to newegg and getting a sapphire 9800 pro... people should remember my thread "promblems with the 6600 GT" everybody tried to fiqure out the possibility but they end of being stuped cause that wasent the problem. So i would say get the 9800 pro __________________ [color=#232d35][/color]

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RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	My friend was buying new computer few moths ago, and had similar doubts. I suggested him to go for 6600 because it's newer card (unfortunately, he in the end cut the budget a bit and bought an X600). I would probably choose 6600, because, IMHO, it offers more potential. __________________ -- Vedran

Apr 12, 2005, 03:31 AM	#22
swatX ba\|\\|\\|ed Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 618 Rep Power: 0	9800pro and 6600 are basically on par with each other however 6600gt beats 9800pro in any given benchmark . it even beats the 9800xt. __________________ thx stick for the sig

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C47 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 197 Rep Power: 0	well this explains it all http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...gt-agp-03.html even gettin a 9800PRo and flashin it to XT wont help

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FrankenBerrie DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	If your not going 6600GT meaning just the AGP version 6600 - go with the ATi __________________ [COLOR=red](I do not overclock. If I want faster speeds, I just buy faster processors)[/COLOR]

Apr 12, 2005, 08:42 PM	#25
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	when you crank up the FSAA and AF, the 9800PRO always wins. If you dont use either, then the 6600 wins. I dont like nvidia though, so I'd probably go for the 9800Pro. just my opinion. __________________

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Callandor Forged on Dragonmount Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 7,216 Rep Power: 303 System Specs	Yeah, I'm all ATi too, and I'd opt for the 9800pro as well (as I believe Nvidia doesen't last that far into the future), but if I were you, I'd seriously consider saving up for a 9800XT, now that's a card you can really compare to the 6600GT, and which surpasses it by far if treated the right way. __________________