Radeon X800XL or GeForce 7800 GT OC???

nubienoob · Nov 17, 2005, 07:40 AM

Does anyone know a lot about graphics cards that can help me out? I just bought a new computer tonight and I need help deciding wich graphics card to get.

My main use if not only use for the graphics card will be for gaming so I think I only care which is better specificly for games.

I can get an ATI Radeon X800XL for $255 (original price is $300) or I can get a GeForce 7800 GT OC for $270 (original price $380)

Also, would my computer work better with an ATI card because it has an ATI shared graphics card built in? Or does that not matter once you plug in an independant card?

Dyre Straits · Nov 17, 2005, 07:57 AM

Hi, nubienoob!

I'm really a big fan of ATi's cards. However, if I were in your shoes, I'd really give some serious consideration to that 7800 OC.

As for whether or which one will work best, as long as you Disable the Onboard Video it shouldn't make any difference which card you put in.

SSXeon · Nov 17, 2005, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

Hi, nubienoob!

I'm really a big fan of ATi's cards. However, if I were in your shoes, I'd really give some serious consideration to that 7800 OC.

As for whether or which one will work best, as long as you Disable the Onboard Video it shouldn't make any difference which card you put in.

Yeah im with Dyre, im more ATi oriented, but if your set on a price, the GT seems like a better buy. But if your going to Overclock i would recomend the Asus X1800XL @ Newegg for $360 Retail. They can OC to XT speeds (625/1500) easy and run at decent temps, good luck.

SSXeon

nubienoob · Nov 17, 2005, 11:00 AM

I found out i need a 400 watt power supply for the 7800 and my computer only has a 300 watt max. Anyone know how much a 400 watt power supply costs? Im trying to decide if its worth it. Is there a noticable difference between the two side by side?

What is that x1800 one? is that a different brand? is it better then the 7800?

Oh and as for the second guy, Im sorry Im a nub if you couldnt tell by my name. I dont really understand anything your saying except for the overclocking part. The 7800 comes overclocked. It says it on the box. If overclocking is tweaking the card and sacraficing some longevity for some performance I dont think thats worth it anyways because both of these cards are way more then I need for the games I play at the moment. WoW, BF2, source.

Dyre Straits · Nov 17, 2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nubienoob

I found out i need a 400 watt power supply for the 7800 and my computer only has a 300 watt max. Anyone know how much a 400 watt power supply costs? Im trying to decide if its worth it. Is there a noticable difference between the two side by side?

What is that x1800 one? is that a different brand? is it better then the 7800?

Oh and as for the second guy, Im sorry Im a nub if you couldnt tell by my name. I dont really understand anything your saying except for the overclocking part. The 7800 comes overclocked. It says it on the box. If overclocking is tweaking the card and sacraficing some longevity for some performance I dont think thats worth it anyways because both of these cards are way more then I need for the games I play at the moment. WoW, BF2, source.

Not all 400W PSUs are the same. The most important thing to look for is what it puts out on the 12V Rail. It needs to be at least in the low 20 A range and higher is better.

A good PSU is going to cost around $70 US. You might get one cheaper online, but, I hate risking getting ripped off if you don't know for sure what you're getting.

Are you talking about only PCI-Express video cards?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 17, 2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nubienoob

I found out i need a 400 watt power supply for the 7800 and my computer only has a 300 watt max. Anyone know how much a 400 watt power supply costs?

Almost as much as a 500W...and you'd be better to get one of those.

The Enermax Liberty series or any Enermax PSU I can highly reccomend..... they're very beefy. The Liberty series is also very reasonably priced.

Randomletters · Nov 17, 2005, 06:37 PM

Where did you read you need a 400w PSU? 7800GT's consume 75-80w My current system consumes 150w I have a 300w PSU and will be running a 7800gt next week, that is unless some link from nvidia says a 400w is minimum

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 17, 2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomletters

Where did you read you need a 400w PSU? 7800GT's consume 75-80w My current system consumes 150w I have a 300w PSU and will be running a 7800gt next week, that is unless some link from nvidia says a 400w is minimum

Running a power supply near or at its full maximum is not very good and will dramatically kill the lifespan as well as screw up voltage rails and such which is why having more than you need is better in terms of PSUs

nubienoob · Nov 18, 2005, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Randomletters

Where did you read you need a 400w PSU? 7800GT's consume 75-80w My current system consumes 150w I have a 300w PSU and will be running a 7800gt next week, that is unless some link from nvidia says a 400w is minimum

side of the box: system requirements 400 watt with minimum 26a

nubienoob · Nov 18, 2005, 04:18 AM

ok, even tho i can get the 7800 for almost the same price as the x800, I would still have to spend about a hundread bucks more if I went with the 7800.

Do you guys think its worth it for 100 bucks more? Is there a noticable differnce in anything if you were to run them side by side ?

nubienoob · Nov 18, 2005, 04:42 AM

what you guys think about this psu?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...332&CatId=1079

good deal? good product?

how much does shipping cost? i never bought anything from the internet before. Does anyone know of a place with a better deal then 49.99 for a 500 watt 28a 12v psu?

Randomletters · Nov 18, 2005, 06:33 AM

thatll power my possible future 7800gt, specs look good enough, now where to find an extra 50 bucks.

SSXeon · Nov 18, 2005, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nubienoob

what you guys think about this psu?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...332&CatId=1079

good deal? good product?

how much does shipping cost? i never bought anything from the internet before. Does anyone know of a place with a better deal then 49.99 for a 500 watt 28a 12v psu?

Looks good, i go for name brand, but that has a lifetime warrenty! Go for it, and enjoy you GT.

Post pics when you get it

SSXeon

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 18, 2005, 02:56 PM

Heard that Ultra PSU's aren't that great....but it is a known brand so if its crap you'd get tech support

transam · Nov 18, 2005, 03:22 PM

I have had a ultra 500w in my system for over 2 years now and never had a single problem out of it so you should be fine but I would get it from here

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=373044

It is $5 more but shipping is free 2nd day fed ex, at tiger shipping would be over $10 and it would be by ups ground which takes 3 to 5 days.

nubienoob · Nov 18, 2005, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transam

I have had a ultra 500w in my system for over 2 years now and never had a single problem out of it so you should be fine but I would get it from here

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=373044

It is $5 more but shipping is free 2nd day fed ex, at tiger shipping would be over $10 and it would be by ups ground which takes 3 to 5 days.

thanks man...

BWX · Nov 19, 2005, 04:38 AM

Does noobynoobynub know the difference between PCIe and AGP?

Trunkzeh · Nov 19, 2005, 12:28 PM

You wouldnt believe what I managed to find at my weekly PC Fair. There's this 450w PSU @ £14. ($28 bucks).. Its by some company called EziCool or something like that o.O.. Has two fans, and its silent. And.. get ready folks.. The 12v rail output is 30A.. Thats right! 30 blummin amps.. X.x And I just bought a friggin QTec 450w for god sakes (16A) lol.. Not fair .. sob

INSTG8R · Nov 19, 2005, 12:42 PM

Heh that Q-Tec is more likely 350W's at best , I have a "400W" in the closet that wouldnt power up my Missus PC compared to my 300W Sparkle that came with my orginal PC's case

nubienoob · Nov 19, 2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Does noobynoobynub know the difference between PCIe and AGP?

Why would you ask other people what I know?

I know that my computer is PCIe beacause of when I bought my graphics card.

Do power supplys also come in PCIe and AGP?

transam · Nov 19, 2005, 08:36 PM

yes but that power supply you picked out I think can be used for both If I am not mistaken.

BWX · Nov 19, 2005, 10:50 PM

I'd get the 7800 at this point in the game.

Randomletters · Nov 20, 2005, 08:55 AM

Newegg has an Aspire 520w PSU with 35a on the 12v rail for 60 bucks Im buying it tomorrow along with more ram and 10 fans

nubienoob · Nov 22, 2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomletters

Newegg has an Aspire 520w PSU with 35a on the 12v rail for 60 bucks Im buying it tomorrow along with more ram and 10 fans

i heard Aspire blows[color=#232d35] http://www.techimo.com/forum/t124252.html[/color]

nubienoob · Nov 22, 2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by transam

I have had a ultra 500w in my system for over 2 years now and never had a single problem out of it so you should be fine but I would get it from here

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=373044

It is $5 more but shipping is free 2nd day fed ex, at tiger shipping would be over $10 and it would be by ups ground which takes 3 to 5 days.

I think this ine is a different crappier model then the one at tigerdirect because it only has a 3 year warranty instead of the lifetime.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 23, 2005, 12:58 AM

Just buy an Enermax or an OCZ one then I doubt you'll have problems

transam · Nov 23, 2005, 08:40 AM

Read the warranty info at tiger direct it says that all ultra products come with a three year warranty that is upgradable to a lifetime warranty by registering it online so it is probably the same psu zipzoomfly just does not mention that you can upgade to the lifetime warranty.

Nov 17, 2005, 07:40 AM	#1
nubienoob DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	Radeon X800XL or GeForce 7800 GT OC??? Does anyone know a lot about graphics cards that can help me out? I just bought a new computer tonight and I need help deciding wich graphics card to get. My main use if not only use for the graphics card will be for gaming so I think I only care which is better specificly for games. I can get an ATI Radeon X800XL for $255 (original price is $300) or I can get a GeForce 7800 GT OC for $270 (original price $380) Also, would my computer work better with an ATI card because it has an ATI shared graphics card built in? Or does that not matter once you plug in an independant card?

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Randomletters ))<>(( Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,418 Rep Power: 52	Where did you read you need a 400w PSU? 7800GT's consume 75-80w My current system consumes 150w I have a 300w PSU and will be running a 7800gt next week, that is unless some link from nvidia says a 400w is minimum __________________ <----------- Sexy Budget Rig stats to the left.

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Randomletters ))<>(( Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,418 Rep Power: 52	thatll power my possible future 7800gt, specs look good enough, now where to find an extra 50 bucks. __________________ <----------- Sexy Budget Rig stats to the left.

Nov 18, 2005, 03:22 PM	#15
transam DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 54 Rep Power: 0	I have had a ultra 500w in my system for over 2 years now and never had a single problem out of it so you should be fine but I would get it from here http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=373044 It is $5 more but shipping is free 2nd day fed ex, at tiger shipping would be over $10 and it would be by ups ground which takes 3 to 5 days. __________________ 2.8GHz P4 Northwood @ 3.4GHz : Thermal Take Big water Gigabyte 8IPE1000Pro 2 GIG GeIL DDR 500 Sapphire X800XT @ (520/560) : Thermal Take Aquarius II VGA Water Block

Nov 19, 2005, 04:38 AM	#17
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Does noobynoobynub know the difference between PCIe and AGP? __________________

Nov 17, 2005, 11:00 AM	Thread Starter #4
nubienoob DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	I found out i need a 400 watt power supply for the 7800 and my computer only has a 300 watt max. Anyone know how much a 400 watt power supply costs? Im trying to decide if its worth it. Is there a noticable difference between the two side by side? What is that x1800 one? is that a different brand? is it better then the 7800? Oh and as for the second guy, Im sorry Im a nub if you couldnt tell by my name. I dont really understand anything your saying except for the overclocking part. The 7800 comes overclocked. It says it on the box. If overclocking is tweaking the card and sacraficing some longevity for some performance I dont think thats worth it anyways because both of these cards are way more then I need for the games I play at the moment. WoW, BF2, source.

Nov 18, 2005, 04:18 AM	Thread Starter #10
nubienoob DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	ok, even tho i can get the 7800 for almost the same price as the x800, I would still have to spend about a hundread bucks more if I went with the 7800. Do you guys think its worth it for 100 bucks more? Is there a noticable differnce in anything if you were to run them side by side ?

Nov 18, 2005, 04:42 AM	Thread Starter #11
nubienoob DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	what you guys think about this psu? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...332&CatId=1079 good deal? good product? how much does shipping cost? i never bought anything from the internet before. Does anyone know of a place with a better deal then 49.99 for a 500 watt 28a 12v psu?

Nov 18, 2005, 02:56 PM	#14
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Heard that Ultra PSU's aren't that great....but it is a known brand so if its crap you'd get tech support

Nov 19, 2005, 12:28 PM	#18
Trunkzeh DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 59 Rep Power: 0	You wouldnt believe what I managed to find at my weekly PC Fair. There's this 450w PSU @ £14. ($28 bucks).. Its by some company called EziCool or something like that o.O.. Has two fans, and its silent. And.. get ready folks.. The 12v rail output is 30A.. Thats right! 30 blummin amps.. X.x And I just bought a friggin QTec 450w for god sakes (16A) lol.. Not fair .. sob __________________ AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (Cooled by a Thermaltake Polo 735 ) Sony Trinitron Multiscan 200ES @ 1024x768 on 85Hz Sapphire Radeon 128MB 9800Pro on PowerColor 9800XT Bios Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe Mobo Qtec 450w PSU 2x Corsair 512MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-8 @ DC & 2.7 volts 200GB SATA Western Digital HD 160GB & 40GB PATA Maxtor HDs. 16x12x8x8x48x40 Samsung 16x DVDRW DL 48x12x48 LiteON CDRW 2x Logitech 2.1 Speakers

Nov 19, 2005, 12:42 PM	#19
INSTG8R DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canadian lost in Norway Posts: 527 Rep Power: 0	Heh that Q-Tec is more likely 350W's at best , I have a "400W" in the closet that wouldnt power up my Missus PC compared to my 300W Sparkle that came with my orginal PC's case __________________ Sys. Specs. Intel E6600@3.2\|Abit IP35 Pro\|2x1024 Crucial Ballistix PC8500 \|Sapphire HD4870 512\|Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500G SATAII 16MB w/PRT\|SB X-Fi Fatality\|TT Tough Power 1200W\|TT Kandalf L.C.S.\|Samsung 204B 20" 5ms LCD\|Logitech G25\|Logitech G5\|Logitech G15\|Saitek X-52+Pro Rudder Pedals\|TrackIR w/Trackclip Pro 3DMark06

Nov 19, 2005, 08:36 PM	#21
transam DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 54 Rep Power: 0	yes but that power supply you picked out I think can be used for both If I am not mistaken. __________________ 2.8GHz P4 Northwood @ 3.4GHz : Thermal Take Big water Gigabyte 8IPE1000Pro 2 GIG GeIL DDR 500 Sapphire X800XT @ (520/560) : Thermal Take Aquarius II VGA Water Block

Nov 19, 2005, 10:50 PM	#22
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	I'd get the 7800 at this point in the game. __________________

Nov 20, 2005, 08:55 AM	#23
Randomletters ))<>(( Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,418 Rep Power: 52	Newegg has an Aspire 520w PSU with 35a on the 12v rail for 60 bucks Im buying it tomorrow along with more ram and 10 fans __________________ <----------- Sexy Budget Rig stats to the left.

Nov 23, 2005, 12:58 AM	#26
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Just buy an Enermax or an OCZ one then I doubt you'll have problems

Nov 23, 2005, 08:40 AM	#27
transam DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 54 Rep Power: 0	Read the warranty info at tiger direct it says that all ultra products come with a three year warranty that is upgradable to a lifetime warranty by registering it online so it is probably the same psu zipzoomfly just does not mention that you can upgade to the lifetime warranty. __________________ 2.8GHz P4 Northwood @ 3.4GHz : Thermal Take Big water Gigabyte 8IPE1000Pro 2 GIG GeIL DDR 500 Sapphire X800XT @ (520/560) : Thermal Take Aquarius II VGA Water Block