Online Petition: For ATi to bring back the old control panel as an option.

Moodles · Dec 25, 2005, 02:28 PM

Catalyst 5.11 drivers were the last to be bundled with the old control panel. At least with 5.11, there was an option between the old control panel and the new CATALYST .net control panel. We are up to version 5.12 and 5.13 and you are now forced to use the new .net Control Panel, the old control is now not an option anymore. By signing this petition you are telling ATi you might be boycotting future purchases of ATi hardware.

If it's possible, spread the word.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ctrlpanl/petition.html

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To: ATi

It's time to boycott purchases of ATi products until the old control panel is brought back. We want the option of the old control panel back.

I am an outraged customer of a Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500 Pro. The last set of drivers to support the old (good) control panel has disappeared in Catalyst

drivers 5.12 and 5.13 and you are forced to use the CATALYST .net Control Panel. Bring back the old control panel

The new Catalyst Control Center, is

1. Slow

2. Memory hogging

3. Unresponsive

4. Crash prone

5. Requires the Microsoft .net Framework which is a 23.1MB download from microsoft

6. Takes longer to download than the old control panel.

7. Loads unneccary processes to your system (CLI.exe) which can't be disabled anywhere in the new Control Panel, no for reason at all CLI.exe is loaded

twice.

8. Killing CLI.exe process, the new Control Panel does not load at all, no error message or anything.

9. CLI.exe required by the new Control Panel, This increases boot time, and memory usage while it is not in use.

Signing this petition is telling ATi to cut the crap and give us the old control panel back.

I was considering upgrading my graphics card, and ATi has forced my hand to go to Nvidia unless of course the old control back comes back.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

H3X4D3C1M4L · Dec 25, 2005, 06:20 PM

Don't think its happening. Seen the AiW forum lately?

Besides the CCC is part of natural evolution, Vista will have .NET built in and should work much better and the CCC has come a hell of a long way and isn't so bad anymore, I mean no more buggy than the CP for me.

But hey the more power to you, if you get what you want from them then get ATI to fix AiWs for us eh?

Sandok · Dec 25, 2005, 06:38 PM

You guys... Come on, this is getting really weird...

1: Takes me 1 second to open the newest CCC with 5.13 and it's not as if I'm always opening the proggy anyways.

2: Buy more memory...

3: That's a problem with your PC... Not CCC

4: Again, same as 3

5: It's becoming the norm...

6: Broadband is of age... A second of your life won't kill you

7: They barely use anything!

8: Well duh....

9: Really, I swear the boot time on my PC is the same...

Come on, this is just nit picking. THis shows what a nerd you really are if you regard 1 lost MB has the end of the world....

But hell, to each his own

Dyre Straits · Dec 25, 2005, 08:04 PM

Hasn't ATi said that you can still use previous Control Panels instead of any of the CCCs? At least that's how I understand it.

Anyway, I won't be signing any petition for the old CP. CCC is working quite well and can only get better.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 26, 2005, 01:26 AM

OMFG!

They already gave you a extra year with the classic CP. The classic CP has barely
been updated in like 2 years anyways... It was about time it died for the superior
CCC to take its place.

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I am an outraged customer of a Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500 Pro. The last set of drivers to support the old (good) control panel has disappeared in Catalyst

So your card is like what 2-3 years? Assumeing that you system is as old
you missed time to upgarde!!! Let go of OLD tech and ebrace the new
and improved...

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drivers 5.12 and 5.13 and you are forced to use the CATALYST .net Control Panel. Bring back the old control panel

Wah! Dude you knew this was a long time a comeing, just now you seem suprised that they fallowed threw on what they said...

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1. Slow

AS in fast...

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2. Memory hogging

wow 4-5 MB more then the classic CP pack (with task app disabled)
and just about 8-15MB total memory. You don't count count virtaul as
people like you like to do, even though it means absoultly NOTHING
perfomance wise. SDame with CCC other then a few seconds on boot
depending on YOUR system setup and YOUR configeration and YOUR
Startup order / AV / Firewall etc... things that IMO are 101% on you..

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3. Unresponsive

over 100s of installs and counting...
no problem here must be the "END user"

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4. Crash prone

again no issues here.... EVER saying all the offical releases plus
ones I can't talk about... No "crashing" ever...

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5. Requires the Microsoft .net Framework which is a 23.1MB download from microsoft

It and optional PART of SP2 and is intergrated and required in windows long horn.
Its cross plat form compatable meaning one app runs on 98/ 98se /me /2000
/2000 sp1/2000 sp2/2000 sp3/2000 sp4/ XP/ XP sp1/XP sp2/ 2003/ 2003 sp1/
vista and even can be ported into linux. you'd need a massive team of people working makeing cp version for all of the above. The cost would be "unreal"
even if you narrowed it down. It woulsd be a samall forturne wich gues whjo'd have to pay for it? you as in haveing a large boost in the cost of graphics cards,
ati would then lose buiness and all to try to keep you happy. thate same person who wouldn't want what they go if they got it

.net is the future just go ask microsoft, nvidia has a .net CP as well thier just sitting on thier hand they threw it on the back burner for a good year, they delayed after all the about CCC whiners...now they have rekindled, and are progressing in the devlopment of thier .net CP. Bit boys etcc.. look around .net
is all around. the NV .net cp said to being passed around in back channels so
its comeing... when well thats up to nvidia

Wah! You driver download is like 35MB and your wineing about 23 mb from
MS

wootpy do...

BTW: IF YOU HAVE XP SP2 you have .net 1.1 installer ALREADY
it part of the service pack you just have to chose to install it manually.

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6. Takes longer to download than the old control panel.

get you self a high speed connection... it take a few seconds more whoopty do

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7. Loads unneccary processes to your system (CLI.exe) which can't be disabled anywhere in the new Control Panel, no for reason at all CLI.exe is loaded
twice.

unneccary processes? Wow! you need to read up on the topic as it is NECCARY for CCC to have those processes for it to work the way it does. Aslo to improve the loading time and reponceiveness as peole like you wine about...

It possable to have ccc on you system with out those processes runing but then
you have to start the run time, wait about 5-10 seconds and then, start CCC
and it will take far longer then normal to load...

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8. Killing CLI.exe process, the new Control Panel does not load at all, no error message or anything.

Well duh you termanaded the app, how is a 100% closed app supposed to
generate a waring? magic

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9. CLI.exe required by the new Control Panel, This increases boot time, and memory usage while it is not in use.

Whoopty do, upgrade and or learn how to configure a system correctly
or what ever.... Sorry how ever legitamte some clams of people with
problems may be. Sure it has it issues as does ALL drivers and ALL software

I've installed and used it 100X more and not seen 1 trillion-th the problems or issues. So My best guess something you doing or not doing... who knows? either way not really so much on ATI's shoulders in my eyes but yours....

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Signing this petition is telling ATi to cut the crap and give us the old control panel back.

I was considering upgrading my graphics card, and ATi has forced my hand to go to Nvidia unless of course the old control back comes back.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

Signing this petition means nothing.... seriously you not going to change
anything IMO..

Also I would say your voice is best herd threw the feed back form on ATI's
website stating petitions is kinda lame... guess thats why anyone can start
one on sites like petitions online...

guess I could start my own along the lines of never bring back the classic CP..
maybe have a lucky winner that wins and expensive prise

But why bother?

here are you options:
Use an old version the classic CP
use the driver only install with no CP
use 3rd party tools
user 3rd party CP replacements like ATT
etc......

Sorry if I seem a little blunt but I trie quickly a year with people wineing about
this. Go buy a nvidia card a pretend to your self that you won't be in a simular
boat in the NEAR future...

and something like good over 50% of users where already useing CCC
well before they dropped CCC... It's come a long way...

if It was 1 /100th as bas as so many of you make it out to be... I wouldn't
be useing it.. nor would I be defending it...

edit:

good to see it looks like 3/4 of the siggys on the patition are fradulent
or fake anyways

adds to the illigetamacy of you poll the fact a vaild email
adress is nOT required and you could enter any name.... meaning you could
open you own poll enter BS and rack up tons of names / sighners but not
really have anyone at all behind you

wow what a crock!

Ib Al-Musaheb · Dec 26, 2005, 10:47 AM

LoL @ Neon_Cowboy

Kombatant · Dec 26, 2005, 01:00 PM

To be fair, many of this petition's points are worded poorly and have no merit at all; I'd go as far as to say no validity. As I've said countless times both here and in other forums, the old Control Panel hasn't been updated in ages (just go, look at previous Catalyst postings, and notice the old CP version; it has stayed the same for quite a while). I really don't see the problem; ATI allows everyone to download a package with just the Display Driver, and allows everyone to download the stand along old Control Panel. Put two and two together, and what do we have?

Exercise for the petition maker

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 26, 2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ib Al-Musaheb

LoL @ Neon_Cowboy

Hey, I didn't like CCC at first I would install it for a week or two then
switch to the classic CP. but as it improved it grew on me untill I eventually
switched over a very very long time ago... Mostly what held me back from
the change over? I was used to the old CP and no body likes change but
hey thats life...

Not really looked back... and as long as you not useing 256MB of ram
wich is barely enough to run windows optuimally little lone ANY programs.
Not to mention the bare minuim for gameing is 512MB and the norm is 1GB.
in such a case 8-15 megs of ram does sound like that much.

people are whineing about 1.4% of their system memory being used when
idle for reference thier web browser thier viewing thier page on right now
is useing about 80 megs wich equates to about 7.8%

Alistair · Dec 26, 2005, 07:34 PM

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1. Slow

I'm not sure where you figure it is slow.

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2. Memory hogging

It does use a "decent" amount of memory which can be an issue for people with say under 1GB of memory. Those people probably won't be using the advanced settings anyways and have no real need for the CCC at all.

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3. Unresponsive
4. Crash prone

Not sure how you figure this stuff.

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5. Requires the Microsoft .net Framework which is a 23.1MB download from microsoft

My issue here is it is not compatible with .NET 2.0 unlike the 5.11 CCC which I have installed right now, working with 5.12 drivers.

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6. Takes longer to download than the old control panel.

Well naturally, its much more advanced code-wise than the old CP. I see right now ATI still has separate downloads for the drivers and CCC for Windows XP, but not for the 64-bit XP version. Perhaps allowing separate downloads for 64-bit would stop minor amounts of complaining about download times.

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7. Loads unneccary processes to your system (CLI.exe) which can't be disabled anywhere in the new Control Panel, no for reason at all CLI.exe is loaded

twice.

8. Killing CLI.exe process, the new Control Panel does not load at all, no error message or anything.

9. CLI.exe required by the new Control Panel, This increases boot time, and memory usage while it is not in use.

The CLI's always being resident in memory by default is a gripe of mine as well. I understand WHY it is there, but don't like being forced to disable it on my own. ATI should really consider adding an option to disable teh preloading of CCC into memory and instead allow the user to change the way CCC loads. One option (and the default) would be to keep how it is handled right now. The other would be to not have it preloaded, but naturally have it take longer to load into. As I personally don't enter the CCC very often, I find it more annoying than anything to have it always loaded into my system.

I'm definitely not signing this petition, I'd just like a few issues cleaned up that I've mentioned already in this and other posts elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

people are whineing about 1.4% of their system memory being used when idle for reference thier web browser thier viewing thier page on right now is useing about 80 megs wich equates to about 7.8%

I assume you are talking about Firefox here as I've yet to see Opera or IE take up that much memory.

Albiniasty · Dec 26, 2005, 09:16 PM

For me, CCC is slow, maybe because my cpu is quite old (Athlon TB 1,4 with 1GB PC-133 SDRAM), it takes a while to load control center. Also, I dont like any unnecessary background programs like this one instaled with CCC.
Anyway I switched to Omega Drivers + ATT and I don't need control center anymore. If you dont like CCC you can always try combination "driver only" catalyst installation +ATT.

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Originally Posted by Alistair

I assume you are talking about Firefox here as I've yet to see Opera or IE take up that much memory.

Alistair · Dec 26, 2005, 09:49 PM

OK I've been proven wrong

Zardon · Dec 26, 2005, 11:23 PM

not really, most browsers dont need that much memory they expand on the fly to aid performance in certain situations. of course there was an issue with firefox leaking memory but that was different.

as for this petition, it will go nowhere. ATI are committed to this direction on a very high level. I think its one of those things that people will adapt too over time. People seem to read figures in task manager and feel they are losing memory to other apps etc, but it isnt quite as simple as that, it has however been discussed before and im not going over it again.

Sandok · Dec 26, 2005, 11:33 PM

Ya and I gotta say, I find it's the correct way for ATI. I mean, many NEW users (not pros like us

) find it MUCH easier than the old CP. I know my bro does since he's a computer newbie. And the beauty is, it still gives a decent amount of custimzation! Honestly, I love the CCC more and more with every update

H3X4D3C1M4L · Dec 27, 2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandok

Honestly, I love the CCC more and more with every update

Amen.

Besides if you don't like that there is Omega with the ATI Tray Tools and that takes even less memory than the CP

Judas · Dec 27, 2005, 06:47 AM

All ATI has to do is set the CLI.EXE file to load as a SYSTEM service.... volla, instantly will look nice an tidy in the task manager

..

Although i'm kinda wondering why there is 2 CLI.EX's start.... i've installed the drivers serveral times on many machines.. and some machines.... only have 1 CLI.EXE on startup.... it's quite strange and i haven't figured it out..

Aside from that..

I can see the complaints about the size of the download, but it's kinda null, seriously, even as a 14.4k Dialup user with terrible DC issues..... It's utterly pointless to try to manage anything new... just stick to your older machine, set everything to TEXT only, and use it for simple ZERO attachment emails, msn messanging.. and basic research.... Anything more, and your just going to get frustrated waiting for anything to load. The internet is utterly low band up to High bandwidth oriented.. (low speed being the lowest DSL/Cable/Wireless/Satalite/Tx/fiber connection anyone can afford)

It's actually starting to get to the point that some of the very low end of these connections are getting kinda sluggish.... if your 1.5mb/s connection down, your probably noticeing that the low bandwidth version of audio/video or general load times, are starting to stutter or take ages loading. IMO, 3mb is probably a good place to start... 5mb is pretty damn good... and 10+ is where it's at

wiskerbizkit · Dec 27, 2005, 09:45 AM

I think the latest CCC is a godsend. I decided yesterday to try it, so i installed it w/ .net 2.0 and it wouldn't start but i didnt give up. I uninstalled 2.0 and installed 1.1 with all the updates. It works fine.

I was a serious sceptic up until yesterday when i double clicked the ati icon and CCC popped up just as fast as CP ever did. so please give the 5.13 ccc a shot.

Sandok · Dec 27, 2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Judas

It's actually starting to get to the point that some of the very low end of these connections are getting kinda sluggish.... if your 1.5mb/s connection down, your probably noticeing that the low bandwidth version of audio/video or general load times, are starting to stutter or take ages loading. IMO, 3mb is probably a good place to start... 5mb is pretty damn good... and 10+ is where it's at

Not all countries allow that big a broadband without hefty prices...

nitrousoxide52 · Dec 27, 2005, 10:54 AM

Hey look at the signatures on the petition. Obviously only the most intelligent people are signing it. Let me quote

FPS_Doug BOOM HEADSHOT to ATI

lame_chen from China

Dren T. Martin I'm signing because... I was told to. I don't care about this petition lol

zhou china

Zeljko Nikolic Jaka faca...

Wong Po Shing Change it to be back!!
Ok, so if you want to show your superior intelligence sign this petition, I guess...

H3X4D3C1M4L · Dec 28, 2005, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nitrousoxide52

FPS_Doug BOOM HEADSHOT to ATI

How fake is that?

I've met fps_Doug and for some reason I just can't see him signing this petition

Samir · Jan 9, 2006, 01:27 PM

But CCC is bad! Really bad... It's aiming to become same bloatware as Creative's (X-Fi, Audigy, SoundBlaster) drivers. But seems that whole software industry is getting in this direction as well. Eye-candy menus, waste of money for graphics design of nothing, eating up resources for nothing, not to mention software development resources costs (these programmers should fix bugs, not doing queer menu makeup)!

Imagine if every hardware device in our PCs had CCC-like stuff to control it! It would be worst nightmare and such computers would need extra 5GHz CPU and 4GB of RAM to support it, and they would become impossible to administer! But in the future we WILL buy these extra CPUs and RAM because we like to spend our money, and we all love fruit-cake menus right?!?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 9, 2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Samir

But CCC is bad! Really bad... It's aiming to become same bloatware as Creative's (X-Fi, Audigy, SoundBlaster) drivers. But seems that whole software industry is getting in this direction as well. Eye-candy menus, waste of money for graphics design of nothing, eating up resources for nothing, not to mention software development resources costs (these programmers should fix bugs, not doing queer menu makeup)!

Imagine if every hardware device in our PCs had CCC-like stuff to control it! It would be worst nightmare and such computers would need extra 5GHz CPU and 4GB of RAM to support it, and they would become impossible to administer! But in the future we WILL buy these extra CPUs and RAM because we like to spend our money, and we all love fruit-cake menus right?!?

Your funny! You exadurate way to much quit makeing a mount everrest
out of that try grain of sand....Please tell me when 8-15MB of ram is used
(just a few MB more then the classic CP I might add) how this hampers your computer?I has no ill effect and roughly 0% effect on performance....

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 9, 2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Please tell me when 8-15MB of ram is used
(just a few MB more then the classic CP I might add) how this hampers your computer?I has no ill effect and roughly 0% effect on performance....

Yeah and if he was that concerned about performance he'd use Omega's which have the ATI Tray Tools which consume even less memory

I find it funny too

Dec 26, 2005, 10:47 AM	#6
Ib Al-Musaheb DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 190 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	LoL @ Neon_Cowboy __________________

Dec 26, 2005, 01:00 PM	#7
Kombatant DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Athens, Hellas Posts: 644 Rep Power: 60	To be fair, many of this petition's points are worded poorly and have no merit at all; I'd go as far as to say no validity. As I've said countless times both here and in other forums, the old Control Panel hasn't been updated in ages (just go, look at previous Catalyst postings, and notice the old CP version; it has stayed the same for quite a while). I really don't see the problem; ATI allows everyone to download a package with just the Display Driver, and allows everyone to download the stand along old Control Panel. Put two and two together, and what do we have? Exercise for the petition maker __________________ There is no spoon... Kombatant's Lair

Dec 26, 2005, 09:49 PM	#11
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	OK I've been proven wrong __________________ - Alistair

Dec 27, 2005, 10:54 AM	#18
nitrousoxide52 Driverheaven.com err .net Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,719 Rep Power: 0	Hey look at the signatures on the petition. Obviously only the most intelligent people are signing it. Let me quote FPS_Doug BOOM HEADSHOT to ATI lame_chen from China Dren T. Martin I'm signing because... I was told to. I don't care about this petition lol zhou china Zeljko Nikolic Jaka faca... Wong Po Shing Change it to be back!! Ok, so if you want to show your superior intelligence sign this petition, I guess... __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ XFX Geforce 7800GT ABIT AN8-SLI BFG Tech 650w

Jan 9, 2006, 01:27 PM	#20
Samir kX Lover Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 520 Rep Power: 0	But CCC is bad! Really bad... It's aiming to become same bloatware as Creative's (X-Fi, Audigy, SoundBlaster) drivers. But seems that whole software industry is getting in this direction as well. Eye-candy menus, waste of money for graphics design of nothing, eating up resources for nothing, not to mention software development resources costs (these programmers should fix bugs, not doing queer menu makeup)! Imagine if every hardware device in our PCs had CCC-like stuff to control it! It would be worst nightmare and such computers would need extra 5GHz CPU and 4GB of RAM to support it, and they would become impossible to administer! But in the future we WILL buy these extra CPUs and RAM because we like to spend our money, and we all love fruit-cake menus right?!? __________________ MU3NKA 3A HAPO6!

Dec 25, 2005, 06:20 PM	#2
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Don't think its happening. Seen the AiW forum lately? Besides the CCC is part of natural evolution, Vista will have .NET built in and should work much better and the CCC has come a hell of a long way and isn't so bad anymore, I mean no more buggy than the CP for me. But hey the more power to you, if you get what you want from them then get ATI to fix AiWs for us eh?

Dec 25, 2005, 06:38 PM	#3
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	You guys... Come on, this is getting really weird... 1: Takes me 1 second to open the newest CCC with 5.13 and it's not as if I'm always opening the proggy anyways. 2: Buy more memory... 3: That's a problem with your PC... Not CCC 4: Again, same as 3 5: It's becoming the norm... 6: Broadband is of age... A second of your life won't kill you 7: They barely use anything! 8: Well duh.... 9: Really, I swear the boot time on my PC is the same... Come on, this is just nit picking. THis shows what a nerd you really are if you regard 1 lost MB has the end of the world.... But hell, to each his own

Dec 26, 2005, 11:23 PM	#12
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	not really, most browsers dont need that much memory they expand on the fly to aid performance in certain situations. of course there was an issue with firefox leaking memory but that was different. as for this petition, it will go nowhere. ATI are committed to this direction on a very high level. I think its one of those things that people will adapt too over time. People seem to read figures in task manager and feel they are losing memory to other apps etc, but it isnt quite as simple as that, it has however been discussed before and im not going over it again.

Dec 26, 2005, 11:33 PM	#13
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	Ya and I gotta say, I find it's the correct way for ATI. I mean, many NEW users (not pros like us ) find it MUCH easier than the old CP. I know my bro does since he's a computer newbie. And the beauty is, it still gives a decent amount of custimzation! Honestly, I love the CCC more and more with every update

Dec 27, 2005, 09:45 AM	#16
wiskerbizkit DH ***** hobo Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Columbia SC Posts: 467 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I think the latest CCC is a godsend. I decided yesterday to try it, so i installed it w/ .net 2.0 and it wouldn't start but i didnt give up. I uninstalled 2.0 and installed 1.1 with all the updates. It works fine. I was a serious sceptic up until yesterday when i double clicked the ati icon and CCC popped up just as fast as CP ever did. so please give the 5.13 ccc a shot.