in defense of the zune

Geminiwave · Apr 2, 2007, 02:16 AM

you know honestly I keep hearing people badmouth the zune all the time. Lots of (in my opinion) stupid excuses to hate on something because its microsoft and to love something because its apple. But you know to each his\her own.

as someone who has used ipods since 3rd generation and now have a macbook myself, I can tell you that I hate ipods. They get the job done but I've had my ipod replaced by apple 5 times. 5 new ipods...thats rediculous. Either I'll drop one and it'll stop working or it'll simply die on its own. btw before someone says it, I dont go running with them.

There are a few legitimate complaints I feel though. One of which is the size. but you know the size is an interesting subject because I both love the size and hate the size.

Yes the size is HUGE. Its unwieldy and I did NOT like it...or do I? I've never had an ipod last through more than 2 drops from waist level to concrete. I've dropped my zune onto concrete while running for the bus 3 times now and it doesnt have a dent, ding, or scratch on it. And it still works exactly as well as it did when I purchased it. I believe this is due to the large size, thick casing, and large amounts of rubber padding on the inside.

Just something I thought I'd share with you all.

SFOSOK · Apr 2, 2007, 03:56 AM

If the Zune was a good enough potable audio device it wouldn't need you to defend it now would it?

When I want to listen to music I don't want to see something the same color as one of my turds and thicker than my wallet.

Edit: Added political correctness

Geminiwave · Apr 2, 2007, 03:57 AM

well...you dont have to buy it brown

edit: and you know if you have green in your turds, thats generally considered a bad sign.

Zardon · Apr 2, 2007, 09:08 AM

Its popular to hate microsoft, however I think the zune should be a decent player. im waiting until they are released here to offically try one out.

I don't mind the ipods. i quite like the 30gb video one although i utterly hate the headphones you get with most of these portables, so that is a side of things ill be really checking out when the Zune launches.

It still baffles me you can pay 200+ for a player and they budget about 20p for headphones. Baffles me because no matter how good a player might be, if you attach crap headphones to your ears it will sound crap no matter what.

Only portable player I ever tested with decent headphones was a creative zen a few years ago.

SFOSOK · Apr 2, 2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

Its popular to hate microsoft, however I think the zune should be a decent player. im waiting until they are released here to offically try one out.

I don't mind the ipods. i quite like the 30gb video one although i utterly hate the headphones you get with most of these portables, so that is a side of things ill be really checking out when the Zune launches.

It still baffles me you can pay 200+ for a player and they budget about 20p for headphones. Baffles me because no matter how good a player might be, if you attach crap headphones to your ears it will sound crap no matter what.

Only portable player I ever tested with decent headphones was a creative zen a few years ago.

With some high quality headphones and a bit of tweaking with the equalizer the sound is amazing. I'm sure this is the same for the zune and the whole "MP3 quality sucks" arguement is goin down the drain. I also have the connection for the car and (with a good stereo system) I can't tell the difference between cd and MP3, in fact the ipod sounds better and can get louder without as much distortion.

Personally I like microsoft products except the zune. For the price and what you can get comparably from the ipod or the Zen I expect more. To me it just really looks too ugly. I just seriously can't stand looking at the damned thing.

Sandok · Apr 2, 2007, 09:31 AM

I sorta agree with gem... I can't stand my ipod anymore, given that its slow and cumbersome in every manner I can imagine. It's scratched as hell, has no battery life, requires itunes, etc...

The Zune is decent, though my favorite MP3 player on the market is the SamsungYP-Z5... As thin as a Nano, same size, bit cheaper but 35 hours of battery goodness

What more do you need?

**temeteus82** · Apr 2, 2007, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

requires itunes, etc...

WinAmp can handle iPod too

Back here zune is in distant future so can't really tel how good it is. But since I have iPod mini (4Gb) And I'm happy with it. Used it fot two years now and battery is good and it works as it should. Personally I don't need videos or movies when I travel. All I need is GBC emulator on my Nokia

Zardon · Apr 2, 2007, 10:49 AM

I don't actually mind itunes. its a all in one place for me, as I like audiobooks etc. also the sound quality isnt bad (not as good as winamp with DFX but its still decent) if you set it up right for your speakers. I had a terrible experience with WMP11 and the fact it appears to equalise and auto level volume (even with the settings all off!). really quite crappy....

I think its quite sad in a way however that a company that were such pioneers in the 80s and 90s with fantastic operating systems and cutting edge PC technology are now known as the company who make ipods. You ask anyone now about apple and im betting the first response is "oh yeah love those ipods". Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing for the company to be honest.......

As for the ipod stratching, its a pain yes, however there are companies that sell clear silicone or durable plastic enclosures, they work pretty well and if they get damaged its only a case of picking another one up for 15 quid. that is actually one thing the ipod has going for it. the wealth of addons and peripherals from speakers, covers, docks etc.....

No matter which player you buy I think you need to budget 30-40 more for a good set of headphones or your Mp3 player investment is only reaching 50% of its potential. I doubt MS will be the first to budget high quality headphones with their players, but I bet if a company like microsoft went into a partnership deal with sennheiser or the like and worked out a bulk purchase order, then added £10-15 to the price of the player (for say £30 standalone headphones) they would have a huge marketing campaign as the only player shipping with high grade headphones. Everyone I know automatically just bins the headphones and IMO the potential for someone to step up and address this is huge, both on a marketing/PR level and a sales level.

EDIT: as gemini said i have heard reports of ipods failing, but perhaps this is in some way relative to the sheer amount they sell ? Can't say I ever had an issue with my older ipod, I gave it to a friend and its still working, 4 years later. I have a sony network walkman and its still working well too, maybe ive been lucky.

GutterPunk · Apr 2, 2007, 12:37 PM

I really like the zune, but like I said int he news portal, untill they offer a good share of music downloading people are probably going to buy ipods. The zune is twice the player ipod is because of the durability and the feel of it seems so much stronger.

Vikingod · Apr 2, 2007, 02:04 PM

Personally, I love my 4gb nano. It sounds great in the car, has replaced CD's for me, and is easy to set up. I don't listen with headphones though, I think the "buds" are terrible for your hearing, something I have spent many years protecting (must be the musician in me). I just plug it in to the car and go. iTunes is easy, but the DRM and that BS is really starting to get on my nerves.

If Zune can set up a system that allows for more freedom of proprietary software and DRM, it will score big. If not, Apple has such an installed base even outsize the enthusiast (hell my Mother has one).

@Zardon, I agree that its sad that apple is no longer associated with its OS. However, without the iPod, you could probably just about kiss the company good bye. You gotta go where the money is, and they found the nitch. It's better being first in music players than last in OS's. Almost like Nintendo was the previous two generations of consoles (N64 and gamecube). Without the gameboy, they would have gone the way of the Sega. Honestly, I think there is a big future for mac OS. The move to x86 processors is a huge one, and I think we are going to see some encroaching on MS's terf, very soon.

niceguyrichy · Apr 2, 2007, 02:06 PM

I ditched my ipod in favour of a dirt cheap sumvision player. it's quarter the size, weighs nothing, and the battery lasts 10X longer. nuff said.
in response to the headphone discussion; when you consider that 30 quid retail price will buy you a great sounding pair of senns, there really is no excuse for a 200 quid mp3 player to have such crappy headphones. aside from the fact the 2 camps are in cahoots to make sure that the consumer has to buy individual rediculously ecpensive mp3 player and silly expensive headphones..

YAYitsAndrew · Apr 2, 2007, 03:12 PM

What I can't stand about the zune is that it doesn't support Microsoft's own play for sure technology. What does that say about their faith in the technology, and how stupid should I feel for relying on it every day of my life for every song I listen to with yahoo music?

Geminiwave · Apr 2, 2007, 04:15 PM

without getting too off-topic, Apple has been intentionally marketing itself such that the OS is taking a back seat. I think one of the clear indications of this was when they changed their name from Apple Computer. I will say though that most people with ipods use PCs, so thats probably why. The ipod is kinda like a gateway drug to OS X

As for the zune...sure its not the prettiest belle at the ball, but you know I'm tired of buying things based on looks. I spent over $1000 on a computer that was cool looking and trendy and I honestly hate it. Yes yes I know people who love their macbooks and good for them but from day one Apple has been nothing but trouble for me. As long as my zune lasts longer than a year, its been a better investment.

Oh yea and Zardon, WMP11 sucks hands down. Even MS fanboys dont use that sucker. The Zune software seems like...to not do stuff like what you mentioned but sheesh its unstable. It has a problem with crashing. The Zune will be perfect when it can be used with other software.

SFOSOK · Apr 2, 2007, 05:02 PM

Well I don't really understand what people are talking about when it comes to the iPod not being durable.

My old 30 gb had been dropped about 10 times, split open on the concrete 3 times, and left in my all black car with black intereior for amount a week in the summer. It still always worked just as good as the first day I got. (I had a case that if you picked it up the wrong way it would slide out.

Now I have the 30gb vid cause the other was stolen and I have not had a single problem with it and not a single scratch. You know why? Because I have leather case for it and treat it like a 300$ mp3 player instead of a cell phone.

I also have an armband and running headphones and damn those are some of the most usefull items I have ever purchased.

GutterPunk · Apr 2, 2007, 05:07 PM

My cousin's ipod hit the hardwood floor and never worked right since. I just think 1 drop is rediculous to fall apart.

Zardon · Apr 2, 2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFOSOK

My old 30 gb had been dropped about 10 times, split open on the concrete 3 times.

You need to stop using it when you are plastered mate.

Zardon · Apr 2, 2007, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GutterPunk

My cousin's ipod hit the hardwood floor and never worked right since. I just think 1 drop is rediculous to fall apart.

Well it depends how it was dropped, sounds weird I know, but if it was playing when it was dropped the platter more than likely has damaged. You get away with dropping things with hard drive technology (sometimes) if they are off as the platter is locked. I don't think many people would expect to drop any other sensitive computer equipment on a hardwood floor and expect it to be working great, well I know I wouldn't.

I will be honest though in that, I think people treat portable MP3 players with HDs a little sloppy generally and bounce them off floors and throw them around in kit bags. They really are delicate instruments, and I couldn't possibly blame Apple for this, as they aren't even making the hard drives, they are normally sourced from Samsung or Hitachi and placed within the Ipod. Apple actually do cushion them better than many other brands....

Obviously you can blame Apple for the battery issues (which I think are rectified long ago) and marking easily (sometimes good looks come with a price, I know this as a ducati owner), but I really looked after my last ipod and its still going strong after 4 years of heavy use. I already bought a protective shell for my new 30gb video one (which ill probably not use much for videos as I have a really cool 100gb archos player) as ill be using it quite often in the gym, and it will help keep sweat from touching the main body of the chassis.

I think it is like most things, people tend to take them for granted, or treat them like mobile phones (as someone else said in the thread already) which is a bad thing to do. with a HD in the machines you do need to make sure they dont get any sudden hard hits while being played, you may get away with it, but frequently you wont.

I also don't agree that ipods are poorly made, the internals are actually very well put together contrary to popular belief.

I would also like to stress im far from being an apple fanboy on any level as I have a sony network walkman, creative zen AND an archos AV500 so im saying this with a fair amount of neutrality. I do however like the whole ipod experience from itunes (downloaded the "best of youtube videos" from itunes podcasts to the ipod last night and was laughing at them with a few guys in the gym today) right down to the operation and styling of the units. I will say im not a big fan of the smaller units (like the nano), but this is just a personal thing...

I will however be looking forward to playing with a zune. I just love technology !

**temeteus82** · Apr 2, 2007, 06:26 PM

I've dropped my mini few times to asphalt. Some minor bends to docking station connections none to interface part

And it's still working

**Mousey** · Apr 2, 2007, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GutterPunk

My cousin's ipod hit the hardwood floor and never worked right since. I just think 1 drop is rediculous to fall apart.

lol weird...
makes you think Blade:Trinity is kinda deceptive with Abby constantly
going round kicking vampires into the middle of next week with an iPod
strapped to her back xD
mb it's turned off? lol

GutterPunk · Apr 2, 2007, 08:55 PM

hah! it is already broken

Geminiwave · Apr 2, 2007, 09:33 PM

right Z I totally agree that you have to be careful. But I was super careful with my first ipod and had the protective case and everything and it died in less than a year. I never dropped it or had it jiggle around anywhere. The hard drive just slowly and surely failed (the firmware crashed more and more). then the proceding ipods died through various other ways like one was dropped and some others fried in other ways. It was just annoying.

hard drive players shouldn't be dropped...but its certainly nice when they survive drops.

I will note that I'm working with 3rd and 4th gen ipods and the 5th gen ipods have drop detection and lock the platters when it starts falling...that can help save them from falls more effectively than previous generations like the ones I dealt with.

Zardon · Apr 15, 2007, 12:37 AM

so anyone buying the iphone?

Necrosis · Apr 15, 2007, 03:16 AM

Ewwwww

Geminiwave · Apr 15, 2007, 06:52 AM

I'll pass on the iphone craze. I have my sights set on better phones out across the water already.

edit: Besides I know it may sound weird to some of you considering what I've said about gaming consoles and such, but personally my favorite company to turn to for phones is Sony.

Necrosis · Apr 15, 2007, 11:53 AM

Sony phones are actually decent because of Ericsson.

Apr 2, 2007, 02:16 AM	#1
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	in defense of the zune you know honestly I keep hearing people badmouth the zune all the time. Lots of (in my opinion) stupid excuses to hate on something because its microsoft and to love something because its apple. But you know to each his\her own. as someone who has used ipods since 3rd generation and now have a macbook myself, I can tell you that I hate ipods. They get the job done but I've had my ipod replaced by apple 5 times. 5 new ipods...thats rediculous. Either I'll drop one and it'll stop working or it'll simply die on its own. btw before someone says it, I dont go running with them. There are a few legitimate complaints I feel though. One of which is the size. but you know the size is an interesting subject because I both love the size and hate the size. Yes the size is HUGE. Its unwieldy and I did NOT like it...or do I? I've never had an ipod last through more than 2 drops from waist level to concrete. I've dropped my zune onto concrete while running for the bus 3 times now and it doesnt have a dent, ding, or scratch on it. And it still works exactly as well as it did when I purchased it. I believe this is due to the large size, thick casing, and large amounts of rubber padding on the inside. Just something I thought I'd share with you all. __________________

Apr 2, 2007, 03:56 AM	#2
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	If the Zune was a good enough potable audio device it wouldn't need you to defend it now would it? When I want to listen to music I don't want to see something the same color as one of my turds and thicker than my wallet. Edit: Added political correctness __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Apr 2, 2007, 03:57 AM	Thread Starter #3
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	well...you dont have to buy it brown edit: and you know if you have green in your turds, thats generally considered a bad sign. __________________

Apr 2, 2007, 12:37 PM	#9
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	I really like the zune, but like I said int he news portal, untill they offer a good share of music downloading people are probably going to buy ipods. The zune is twice the player ipod is because of the durability and the feel of it seems so much stronger. __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Apr 2, 2007, 03:12 PM	#12
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	What I can't stand about the zune is that it doesn't support Microsoft's own play for sure technology. What does that say about their faith in the technology, and how stupid should I feel for relying on it every day of my life for every song I listen to with yahoo music? __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Apr 2, 2007, 09:08 AM	#4
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Its popular to hate microsoft, however I think the zune should be a decent player. im waiting until they are released here to offically try one out. I don't mind the ipods. i quite like the 30gb video one although i utterly hate the headphones you get with most of these portables, so that is a side of things ill be really checking out when the Zune launches. It still baffles me you can pay 200+ for a player and they budget about 20p for headphones. Baffles me because no matter how good a player might be, if you attach crap headphones to your ears it will sound crap no matter what. Only portable player I ever tested with decent headphones was a creative zen a few years ago.

Apr 2, 2007, 09:31 AM	#6
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I sorta agree with gem... I can't stand my ipod anymore, given that its slow and cumbersome in every manner I can imagine. It's scratched as hell, has no battery life, requires itunes, etc... The Zune is decent, though my favorite MP3 player on the market is the SamsungYP-Z5... As thin as a Nano, same size, bit cheaper but 35 hours of battery goodness What more do you need?

Apr 2, 2007, 10:49 AM	#8
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I don't actually mind itunes. its a all in one place for me, as I like audiobooks etc. also the sound quality isnt bad (not as good as winamp with DFX but its still decent) if you set it up right for your speakers. I had a terrible experience with WMP11 and the fact it appears to equalise and auto level volume (even with the settings all off!). really quite crappy.... I think its quite sad in a way however that a company that were such pioneers in the 80s and 90s with fantastic operating systems and cutting edge PC technology are now known as the company who make ipods. You ask anyone now about apple and im betting the first response is "oh yeah love those ipods". Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing for the company to be honest....... As for the ipod stratching, its a pain yes, however there are companies that sell clear silicone or durable plastic enclosures, they work pretty well and if they get damaged its only a case of picking another one up for 15 quid. that is actually one thing the ipod has going for it. the wealth of addons and peripherals from speakers, covers, docks etc..... No matter which player you buy I think you need to budget 30-40 more for a good set of headphones or your Mp3 player investment is only reaching 50% of its potential. I doubt MS will be the first to budget high quality headphones with their players, but I bet if a company like microsoft went into a partnership deal with sennheiser or the like and worked out a bulk purchase order, then added £10-15 to the price of the player (for say £30 standalone headphones) they would have a huge marketing campaign as the only player shipping with high grade headphones. Everyone I know automatically just bins the headphones and IMO the potential for someone to step up and address this is huge, both on a marketing/PR level and a sales level. EDIT: as gemini said i have heard reports of ipods failing, but perhaps this is in some way relative to the sheer amount they sell ? Can't say I ever had an issue with my older ipod, I gave it to a friend and its still working, 4 years later. I have a sony network walkman and its still working well too, maybe ive been lucky.

Apr 2, 2007, 02:04 PM	#10
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 111 System Specs	Personally, I love my 4gb nano. It sounds great in the car, has replaced CD's for me, and is easy to set up. I don't listen with headphones though, I think the "buds" are terrible for your hearing, something I have spent many years protecting (must be the musician in me). I just plug it in to the car and go. iTunes is easy, but the DRM and that BS is really starting to get on my nerves. If Zune can set up a system that allows for more freedom of proprietary software and DRM, it will score big. If not, Apple has such an installed base even outsize the enthusiast (hell my Mother has one). @Zardon, I agree that its sad that apple is no longer associated with its OS. However, without the iPod, you could probably just about kiss the company good bye. You gotta go where the money is, and they found the nitch. It's better being first in music players than last in OS's. Almost like Nintendo was the previous two generations of consoles (N64 and gamecube). Without the gameboy, they would have gone the way of the Sega. Honestly, I think there is a big future for mac OS. The move to x86 processors is a huge one, and I think we are going to see some encroaching on MS's terf, very soon.

Apr 2, 2007, 04:15 PM	Thread Starter #13
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	without getting too off-topic, Apple has been intentionally marketing itself such that the OS is taking a back seat. I think one of the clear indications of this was when they changed their name from Apple Computer. I will say though that most people with ipods use PCs, so thats probably why. The ipod is kinda like a gateway drug to OS X As for the zune...sure its not the prettiest belle at the ball, but you know I'm tired of buying things based on looks. I spent over $1000 on a computer that was cool looking and trendy and I honestly hate it. Yes yes I know people who love their macbooks and good for them but from day one Apple has been nothing but trouble for me. As long as my zune lasts longer than a year, its been a better investment. Oh yea and Zardon, WMP11 sucks hands down. Even MS fanboys dont use that sucker. The Zune software seems like...to not do stuff like what you mentioned but sheesh its unstable. It has a problem with crashing. The Zune will be perfect when it can be used with other software. __________________

Apr 2, 2007, 05:02 PM	#14
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Well I don't really understand what people are talking about when it comes to the iPod not being durable. My old 30 gb had been dropped about 10 times, split open on the concrete 3 times, and left in my all black car with black intereior for amount a week in the summer. It still always worked just as good as the first day I got. (I had a case that if you picked it up the wrong way it would slide out. Now I have the 30gb vid cause the other was stolen and I have not had a single problem with it and not a single scratch. You know why? Because I have leather case for it and treat it like a 300$ mp3 player instead of a cell phone. I also have an armband and running headphones and damn those are some of the most usefull items I have ever purchased. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Apr 2, 2007, 05:07 PM	#15
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	My cousin's ipod hit the hardwood floor and never worked right since. I just think 1 drop is rediculous to fall apart. __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Apr 2, 2007, 08:55 PM	#20
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	hah! it is already broken __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Apr 2, 2007, 09:33 PM	Thread Starter #21
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	right Z I totally agree that you have to be careful. But I was super careful with my first ipod and had the protective case and everything and it died in less than a year. I never dropped it or had it jiggle around anywhere. The hard drive just slowly and surely failed (the firmware crashed more and more). then the proceding ipods died through various other ways like one was dropped and some others fried in other ways. It was just annoying. hard drive players shouldn't be dropped...but its certainly nice when they survive drops. I will note that I'm working with 3rd and 4th gen ipods and the 5th gen ipods have drop detection and lock the platters when it starts falling...that can help save them from falls more effectively than previous generations like the ones I dealt with. __________________

Apr 15, 2007, 12:37 AM	#22
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	so anyone buying the iphone?

Apr 15, 2007, 03:16 AM	#23
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Ewwwww

Apr 15, 2007, 06:52 AM	Thread Starter #24
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	I'll pass on the iphone craze. I have my sights set on better phones out across the water already. edit: Besides I know it may sound weird to some of you considering what I've said about gaming consoles and such, but personally my favorite company to turn to for phones is Sony. __________________

Apr 15, 2007, 11:53 AM	#25
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Sony phones are actually decent because of Ericsson.