Defrag problems...

Sandok · Jun 26, 2006, 11:28 PM

I keep on getting that but nothing turns up in the undefragmented files? What gives? Help

PangingJr · Jun 27, 2006, 04:11 AM

rerun the Disk Defragmenter on the volume then at after it's finished click view report and save it, then post the data of the report. maybe the defrag's report will explain somethings.

Sandok · Jun 27, 2006, 06:13 AM

Volume Local Disk (C

Volume size = 37.26 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 5.78 GB
Free space = 31.48 GB
Percent free space = 84 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 21'164
Average file size = 320 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 52
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 2'520
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 32 MB
MFT record count = 23'717
Percent MFT in use = 71 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

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Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None

I EVEN tried in safe mode but to no avail

And I get this on both my PC and Laptop so must be something I installed on both! But I've always installed the same stuff so I dont get it!

PangingJr · Jun 27, 2006, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

Volume Local Disk (C

Total MFT fragments = 3

try any third-party disk defrag utility tool (but perfectdisk 7 is preffered) that will do an offline files defrag upon system boots.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jun 27, 2006, 06:35 AM

well some large files that are open, in use, or other wise unmoveable
won't be defragmented. I see that message ad useally there is one file
that couldn't be moved to be defraged.

as for Total MFT fragments = 3

You'll need to use a boot time defragmenter like perfict disk or diskeeper
to get all you files back in check and elminate the MFT fragments.

PangingJr · Jun 27, 2006, 06:40 AM

that too.

an offline files defrag job upon system boots needs to be performed .
after you have done the offline files defrag, try rerun the in-built disk defragmenter to see its report again...

unless you have anothre NT system that can do the disk defrag for the problem partition over a network or a bootable CD/DVD utility program like wininternals defrag manager in an advanced mode upon system boots.

PangingJr · Jun 27, 2006, 06:54 AM

not 100% sure, but another possible cause for this... if this is applied to you... a file that is left over from the previous dual boot set up that the system or you do not have rights over... locate the file(s) then take control..., and then run the defrag job again and see.

Sandok · Jun 27, 2006, 06:58 AM

I doubt that since this is on my Laptop and it never had a dual boot... But my main rig also is getting it for hte first time and it DID have a dual boot with vista...

PangingJr · Jun 27, 2006, 07:20 AM

the previously dual boot files is an example that i can think of, because you may know which files that might be the problem files and are to check it or look for... anyway, since the in-built disk defrag program does not tell you the problem file name, so you need to try to use a third-party disk defrag utility tool to locate it. after you know the problem file name, you can decide whether to move it from the problem partition to another... them move it back in once you have done another disk defrag job... or just try running an offline files defrag with the tools and like i said before and then see...

Sandok · Jun 27, 2006, 07:39 AM

Well the offline thingy worked... It defraged just fine...

Now my question is, can't you defrag during bootup with the normal defragger?

PangingJr · Jun 27, 2006, 07:46 AM

"Now my question is, can't you defrag during bootup with the normal defragger?"

you have to explain that to me again, esp, the normal defragger? you mean the in-built one?

Sandok · Jun 27, 2006, 07:56 AM

Yeah but it's okay, google told me that you can't

Oh well, Perfect disk, your here to stay I guess... WEll as long as you can! Thx all!

PangingJr · Jun 27, 2006, 08:23 AM

if you have problem like this first you need to locate the problem file(s), then after that you can decide what to do with it... an easy way is to use a third-party disk defrag program... to locate it or to see whether or not the problem that you're having is caused by a file(s) that cannot be moved by the in-built disk defrag (or other disk defrag program) or by other causes like a software bug from third-party program...

if the problem file is a large system file like a 4GB of pagefile and you want to defrag it from another NT-based system but the system or the disk defrag program won't allow you to and it only allow to be ran under an offline file defrag job, then you can rename the file from something like pagefile.sys to pagefile.old the disk defrag program will then move this file just like it's an online file. then rename it back...
or sometimes are just faster to move a large file from the partition to another then run disk defrag and move the file back in after.

BWX · Jun 27, 2006, 10:12 AM

Perfect Disk 7 is awesome. I can never get it to complete a boot time defrag on my Main C partition though, and I have heard at least 3 people say the same. I wonder why. It does boot time on all other partitions and the partition my page file is.

PangingJr · Jun 27, 2006, 10:52 AM

if the partition has been marked as dirty and/or there is an uncompleted chkdsk job or for some reason the disk autochk that is supposed to be ran and fix/remove the dirty bit on every system boots by default cannot be performed. that causes and prevents the disk defrag to perform the boot time defrag eventho it has been scheduled for. the dirty bit needs to be removed before boottime defrag can be ran...

Sandok · Jun 29, 2006, 01:05 PM

Seems the problem didn't go... I reinstalled XP on both HDs, formated em both and reinstalled my setup as usual and the problem is still here (even after a MFT defrag!!! )

PangingJr · Jun 29, 2006, 01:42 PM

do some reading... http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...e+defragmented

Sandok · Jun 30, 2006, 10:18 AM

Did EVERYTHING on that link... No go, but thanks a ton PangingJR, you've been really helpfull nonetheless!

PangingJr · Jun 30, 2006, 10:49 AM

could be due to you always have some files that cannot be moved, and it gives you a warning that 'some files on the volume could not be defragmented', don't worry about that just keep using the third-party disk defrag program, try not to run any programs while defragging your drives. if you like to keep your computer on all the time then schedule the disk defrag program to be ran when you're not using your computer and do the offline files defrag like every week or other week or so... you should be okay.

Sandok · Jul 1, 2006, 08:13 AM

Yeah I'm using O&O Defrag which is really nice (gonna buy it) and yup, screw M$ and long live O&O!

Jun 26, 2006, 11:28 PM	#1
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Defrag problems... I keep on getting that but nothing turns up in the undefragmented files? What gives? Help

Jun 27, 2006, 06:35 AM	#5
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	well some large files that are open, in use, or other wise unmoveable won't be defragmented. I see that message ad useally there is one file that couldn't be moved to be defraged. as for Total MFT fragments = 3 You'll need to use a boot time defragmenter like perfict disk or diskeeper to get all you files back in check and elminate the MFT fragments. __________________

Jun 27, 2006, 08:23 AM	#13
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	if you have problem like this first you need to locate the problem file(s), then after that you can decide what to do with it... an easy way is to use a third-party disk defrag program... to locate it or to see whether or not the problem that you're having is caused by a file(s) that cannot be moved by the in-built disk defrag (or other disk defrag program) or by other causes like a software bug from third-party program... if the problem file is a large system file like a 4GB of pagefile and you want to defrag it from another NT-based system but the system or the disk defrag program won't allow you to and it only allow to be ran under an offline file defrag job, then you can rename the file from something like pagefile.sys to pagefile.old the disk defrag program will then move this file just like it's an online file. then rename it back... or sometimes are just faster to move a large file from the partition to another then run disk defrag and move the file back in after. Last edited by PangingJr; Jun 27, 2006 at 08:29 AM.

Jun 27, 2006, 10:12 AM	#14
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Perfect Disk 7 is awesome. I can never get it to complete a boot time defrag on my Main C partition though, and I have heard at least 3 people say the same. I wonder why. It does boot time on all other partitions and the partition my page file is. __________________

Jun 27, 2006, 04:11 AM	#2
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	rerun the Disk Defragmenter on the volume then at after it's finished click view report and save it, then post the data of the report. maybe the defrag's report will explain somethings.

Jun 27, 2006, 06:13 AM	Thread Starter #3
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Volume Local Disk (C Volume size = 37.26 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 5.78 GB Free space = 31.48 GB Percent free space = 84 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation = 0 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 21'164 Average file size = 320 KB Total fragmented files = 1 Total excess fragments = 52 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 768 MB Total fragments = 1 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 2'520 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 32 MB MFT record count = 23'717 Percent MFT in use = 71 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented None I EVEN tried in safe mode but to no avail And I get this on both my PC and Laptop so must be something I installed on both! But I've always installed the same stuff so I dont get it!

Jun 27, 2006, 06:40 AM	#6
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	that too. an offline files defrag job upon system boots needs to be performed . after you have done the offline files defrag, try rerun the in-built disk defragmenter to see its report again... unless you have anothre NT system that can do the disk defrag for the problem partition over a network or a bootable CD/DVD utility program like wininternals defrag manager in an advanced mode upon system boots.

Jun 27, 2006, 06:54 AM	#7
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	not 100% sure, but another possible cause for this... if this is applied to you... a file that is left over from the previous dual boot set up that the system or you do not have rights over... locate the file(s) then take control..., and then run the defrag job again and see.

Jun 27, 2006, 06:58 AM	Thread Starter #8
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I doubt that since this is on my Laptop and it never had a dual boot... But my main rig also is getting it for hte first time and it DID have a dual boot with vista...

Jun 27, 2006, 07:20 AM	#9
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	the previously dual boot files is an example that i can think of, because you may know which files that might be the problem files and are to check it or look for... anyway, since the in-built disk defrag program does not tell you the problem file name, so you need to try to use a third-party disk defrag utility tool to locate it. after you know the problem file name, you can decide whether to move it from the problem partition to another... them move it back in once you have done another disk defrag job... or just try running an offline files defrag with the tools and like i said before and then see...

Jun 27, 2006, 07:39 AM	Thread Starter #10
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Well the offline thingy worked... It defraged just fine... Now my question is, can't you defrag during bootup with the normal defragger?

Jun 27, 2006, 07:46 AM	#11
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	"Now my question is, can't you defrag during bootup with the normal defragger?" you have to explain that to me again, esp, the normal defragger? you mean the in-built one?

Jun 27, 2006, 07:56 AM	Thread Starter #12
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Yeah but it's okay, google told me that you can't Oh well, Perfect disk, your here to stay I guess... WEll as long as you can! Thx all!

Jun 27, 2006, 10:52 AM	#15
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	if the partition has been marked as dirty and/or there is an uncompleted chkdsk job or for some reason the disk autochk that is supposed to be ran and fix/remove the dirty bit on every system boots by default cannot be performed. that causes and prevents the disk defrag to perform the boot time defrag eventho it has been scheduled for. the dirty bit needs to be removed before boottime defrag can be ran...

Jun 29, 2006, 01:05 PM	Thread Starter #16
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Seems the problem didn't go... I reinstalled XP on both HDs, formated em both and reinstalled my setup as usual and the problem is still here (even after a MFT defrag!!! )

Jun 29, 2006, 01:42 PM	#17
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	do some reading... http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...e+defragmented

Jun 30, 2006, 10:18 AM	Thread Starter #18
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Did EVERYTHING on that link... No go, but thanks a ton PangingJR, you've been really helpfull nonetheless!

Jun 30, 2006, 10:49 AM	#19
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 70	could be due to you always have some files that cannot be moved, and it gives you a warning that 'some files on the volume could not be defragmented', don't worry about that just keep using the third-party disk defrag program, try not to run any programs while defragging your drives. if you like to keep your computer on all the time then schedule the disk defrag program to be ran when you're not using your computer and do the offline files defrag like every week or other week or so... you should be okay.

Jul 1, 2006, 08:13 AM	Thread Starter #20
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Yeah I'm using O&O Defrag which is really nice (gonna buy it) and yup, screw M$ and long live O&O!