SB Live!: 2 line in (mic) for djdecks ?

Maddogg6 · Mar 20, 2006, 06:32 AM

Looking at the pic that mc-mic posted....

I think hes seeing the noisefloor of the AUX - with the REC SOURCE level set to max on my card shows about -45 db of noise...

**dj_stick** · Mar 20, 2006, 07:10 AM

off-topic: very nice setup you have there mc-mike, awesome mixer

Lex Nahumury · Mar 20, 2006, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

Looking at the pic that mc-mic posted....

I think hes seeing the noisefloor of the AUX - with the REC SOURCE level set to max on my card shows about -45 db of noise...

yep, quite possible, but his aux level is at ~-18db
in the pic!
It's totaly unclear what we are looking at here.

Anyway, i'm sure the OP will figure it out soon because,
....how hard can it be (for crying out loud..lol)

mc-mike · Mar 20, 2006, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Nahumury

Sorry I don't understand.
Do you mean that;
1. Line signal is Ok (peak meter follows music),
and that
2. AUX signal is not OK (peak meter is at a fixed level, but does not move) ?

yes this is exactly what i mean, sorry.

@ dj
this is not my setup but the one of a djforum member. he's running final scratch 2 with a allen & heath mixer (very nice), i've got a vestax mixer.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 20, 2006, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc-mike

yes this is exactly what i mean, sorry.

then i guess your selfmade cable is not good.

mc-mike · Mar 20, 2006, 08:13 PM

ok this explains much.

after i looked at doug's soundcard modding guide i think the ground wire could be the problem.
i left it out as i mentioned because my stereo cable doesn't have a ground wire.

question to doug:
where is ground connected to on your soundcard ? can i connect it somewhere to the pc case or do i need a special connection ?

Doug W · Mar 20, 2006, 09:31 PM

Well the ground has to correspond to the sleeve of the connector. I suppose you could just run a wire from the connector down to a ground point on the motherboard.

mc-mike · Mar 21, 2006, 04:46 PM

yeah score, it works.

the problem was that i oversaw a cable "inside" a channel of the extension cable i soldered together with the soundcard connector.

if i think again about electro basics i should have known because of the missing ground there was no voltage.
and this ground is included in the stereo jack (the lower part by the way) what you see at doug's graphic.

well the sound from the aux is good and when i get the timecode vinyls this week i can tell you the latency.. if you want.

just one question left:

what to do if i don't want to hear the timecode on the soundcard outputs but they still should be available to djDecks ?
if i mute them in the mixer are they still available or do i need another solution ?

Doug W · Mar 21, 2006, 11:41 PM

Quote:

what to do if i don't want to hear the timecode on the soundcard outputs but they still should be available to djDecks ?

What are these audible timecode sounds for?

mc-mike · Mar 22, 2006, 08:59 AM

these are for the djDecks programm to recognize the needle position on the vinyl to control the mp3.

so it must be available for the programm but not hearable trough the output.

only if you want to play a regular vinyl with music you can route it through the computer like this.

Doug W · Mar 22, 2006, 06:56 PM

If you need all the other outputs from your audigy for your speakers, maybe you could put your SBLive back in and tie the 2 together and use the outputs from the SBLive.

mc-mike · Mar 23, 2006, 08:20 AM

i sold my sblive *g*

no i think that must work. also other soundcards (maya 44 usb for example) with only 2 stereo outputs work with djDecks for sure.

so i think djDecks is also able to read for the master muted signals.

mc-mike · Mar 23, 2006, 04:20 PM

now i have a new problem.

i don't know exactly but i think since i've installed 3534f my computer lags sometimes that i can't do anything except restarting.

do you know what this can come from ?

if there is no solution i will have to test the 37 driver i think it had worked.
but it would be a pity because auf the latency.

Doug W · Mar 23, 2006, 07:40 PM

I don't know what could be causing your problem, my recording software has been working better than it has for a long time since I uninstalled 3537 and reinstalled 3534f.

CheeseE · Apr 29, 2006, 11:23 AM

I use VirtualDJ with timecoded vinyls...I have an SB Live! PLATINUM withLive! DriveII. It has line in 2 and aux in2 inputs, and that's are separated from the line in, so I have 3 ASIO inputs

And 3 outputs, because it has a headphone output, and I can use it as a separate output

So I have 3 stereo inputs and 3 stereo outputs...

CheeseE · Apr 29, 2006, 01:19 PM

Again me...
Where can I find the 3534f driver version? I want to try it...
Pls. somebody send me, or give me a link
THX..

Doug W · Apr 29, 2006, 03:27 PM

TravelRec's site for 3534f
http://www.electricstart.de/
Click on
kX drivers

also click on PlugIns at that site to download
FX in Uniform 3534

ProFX for 3534f can be downloaded here
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/ProFx/profx3x.htm

CheeseE · Apr 29, 2006, 10:17 PM

Thx for the links...

I have some problems using KX asio with VirtualDJ...It supports 44.1kHz sample rate, and my card is supported 48kHz...It works with my card too, but the BPMmeter is showing that the tempo is -8.1% when it is at zero position...
So is there any plugin for KX, that can resample to 44.1kHz? ASIO4ALL works without this bug, but it only supports one input

**dj_stick** · Apr 29, 2006, 11:12 PM

you can set kX ASIO to 44.1khz, but no inputs are available

Doug W · Apr 29, 2006, 11:18 PM

Quote:

So is there any plugin for KX, that can resample to 44.1kHz? ASIO4ALL works without this bug, but it only supports one input

I am able to set my card, CT4830, to 44.1 kHz on this puter using the kX ASIO control panel and play back a demo tune that was recorded at 44.1 kHz. I am using 3534f.

CheeseE · Apr 29, 2006, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

you can set kX ASIO to 44.1khz, but no inputs are available

I need to record at 44.1kHz

, not to palyback...

Doug W · Apr 30, 2006, 12:05 AM

Quote:

you can set kX ASIO to 44.1khz, but no inputs are available

I see that now.

Mar 20, 2006, 08:13 PM	Thread Starter #36
mc-mike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: near munich, germany Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	ok this explains much. after i looked at doug's soundcard modding guide i think the ground wire could be the problem. i left it out as i mentioned because my stereo cable doesn't have a ground wire. question to doug: where is ground connected to on your soundcard ? can i connect it somewhere to the pc case or do i need a special connection ? __________________ trying to run djDecks(.be) with kx and audigy. if it works, it will look something like this: http://www.deejayforum.de/attachment...1&d=1141214074

Mar 21, 2006, 04:46 PM	Thread Starter #38
mc-mike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: near munich, germany Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	yeah score, it works. the problem was that i oversaw a cable "inside" a channel of the extension cable i soldered together with the soundcard connector. if i think again about electro basics i should have known because of the missing ground there was no voltage. and this ground is included in the stereo jack (the lower part by the way) what you see at doug's graphic. well the sound from the aux is good and when i get the timecode vinyls this week i can tell you the latency.. if you want. just one question left: what to do if i don't want to hear the timecode on the soundcard outputs but they still should be available to djDecks ? if i mute them in the mixer are they still available or do i need another solution ? __________________ trying to run djDecks(.be) with kx and audigy. if it works, it will look something like this: http://www.deejayforum.de/attachment...1&d=1141214074

Mar 22, 2006, 08:59 AM	Thread Starter #40
mc-mike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: near munich, germany Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	these are for the djDecks programm to recognize the needle position on the vinyl to control the mp3. so it must be available for the programm but not hearable trough the output. only if you want to play a regular vinyl with music you can route it through the computer like this. __________________ trying to run djDecks(.be) with kx and audigy. if it works, it will look something like this: http://www.deejayforum.de/attachment...1&d=1141214074

Mar 23, 2006, 08:20 AM	Thread Starter #42
mc-mike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: near munich, germany Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	i sold my sblive g no i think that must work. also other soundcards (maya 44 usb for example) with only 2 stereo outputs work with djDecks for sure. so i think djDecks is also able to read for the master muted signals. __________________ trying to run djDecks(.be) with kx and audigy. if it works, it will look something like this: http://www.deejayforum.de/attachment...1&d=1141214074

Mar 23, 2006, 04:20 PM	Thread Starter #43
mc-mike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: near munich, germany Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	now i have a new problem. i don't know exactly but i think since i've installed 3534f my computer lags sometimes that i can't do anything except restarting. do you know what this can come from ? if there is no solution i will have to test the 37 driver i think it had worked. but it would be a pity because auf the latency. __________________ trying to run djDecks(.be) with kx and audigy. if it works, it will look something like this: http://www.deejayforum.de/attachment...1&d=1141214074

Mar 20, 2006, 06:32 AM	#31
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Looking at the pic that mc-mic posted.... I think hes seeing the noisefloor of the AUX - with the REC SOURCE level set to max on my card shows about -45 db of noise...

Mar 20, 2006, 09:31 PM	#37
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	Well the ground has to correspond to the sleeve of the connector. I suppose you could just run a wire from the connector down to a ground point on the motherboard.

Mar 22, 2006, 06:56 PM	#41
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	If you need all the other outputs from your audigy for your speakers, maybe you could put your SBLive back in and tie the 2 together and use the outputs from the SBLive.

Mar 23, 2006, 07:40 PM	#44
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	I don't know what could be causing your problem, my recording software has been working better than it has for a long time since I uninstalled 3537 and reinstalled 3534f.

Apr 29, 2006, 11:23 AM	#45
CheeseE DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	I use VirtualDJ with timecoded vinyls...I have an SB Live! PLATINUM withLive! DriveII. It has line in 2 and aux in2 inputs, and that's are separated from the line in, so I have 3 ASIO inputs And 3 outputs, because it has a headphone output, and I can use it as a separate output So I have 3 stereo inputs and 3 stereo outputs...

Apr 29, 2006, 01:19 PM	#46
CheeseE DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Again me... Where can I find the 3534f driver version? I want to try it... Pls. somebody send me, or give me a link THX..

Apr 29, 2006, 03:27 PM	#47
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	TravelRec's site for 3534f http://www.electricstart.de/ Click on kX drivers also click on PlugIns at that site to download FX in Uniform 3534 ProFX for 3534f can be downloaded here http://members.home.nl/nahutec/ProFx/profx3x.htm

Apr 29, 2006, 10:17 PM	#48
CheeseE DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Thx for the links... I have some problems using KX asio with VirtualDJ...It supports 44.1kHz sample rate, and my card is supported 48kHz...It works with my card too, but the BPMmeter is showing that the tempo is -8.1% when it is at zero position... So is there any plugin for KX, that can resample to 44.1kHz? ASIO4ALL works without this bug, but it only supports one input