siktuned

Hi People,first of all, excuse my bad english...although i hope you can help meI've got the following situation: we want to use the PC in my bands excersise room (Athlon XP 1.4 Ghz, 1 GB DDR, SB Live! Platinum (4830), SB Live! 1024 (4760)) for multitrack recording...4 tracks should do it...to make recordings of our play sessions and some overdubs...We did it really simple with audacity before...but it uses the primary driver of windows and the latency is horrible...you cannot make overdubs like that...so i installed the kx driver, which "sees" both of the soundcards...i can make the settings for each other of them (lower right corner in the driver to choose the card...)The problem is, i just cant get ASIO to work (no input, no output...) i tried to route the ASIO inputs in the Router to channel 16/17 and to other...but there is always no sound...the normal AC97 sound works (Windows sounds etc...)So the question is: how do i make it right or what am i doing wrong?Thats for the first part...the second part is that i want to use both cards...how can i cascade them? i have read that kX allows cascadingPrimarily what settings do i have to make? You know, i am no computer noob but i never had to deal with something like that so it is completely new to me...it would be great if somebody could explain it to me "user-friendly".Of course i would read a tutorial if there is one...it is just that i have found none in english or german (my mother language...)All right, now i've talked enough Big thankssik

Tyrsonswood

There is a quick guide here..... http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...your-card.html


Chaining two cards isn't that hard to do given you have the correct "two cards" This link talks about the hardware end of the process. There is a cable connecting the cards via SPDIF.

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TravelRec.

Only one card can be used as ASIO card, the other can be chained like said before and works only as Input / FX-Rack and is not accessible via ASIO. Finally - with external hardware only one CT4760 is able to record up to 12 analogue/digital input channels. Look here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...0k2-cards.html

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Russ

16/17? What are you referring to? ASIO channels are 0-15 (or 1-16)...
What version of kX are you using (3545b is current version)?
What Operating System are you using?

Routing is done in kX DSP, leave kX Router at the default settings for now (for most things, you should never need to touch kX Router, it is mostly useful for MIDI related stuff).

ASIO I/O is enabled in the default DSP config, but it is best to use a custom DSP config since the default routing is not ideal, for this reason it would be easier for us to help if you can give us specific info about what you want to do.

i.e.
What input(s) do you want to record from (please include info on whether it is an input on the rear of the card, or one on a Live! Drive, etc).

How will your speakers be used (i.e. monitoring output, main output, etc)?

I suggest that you download and install the current version of ProFX:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/effects-...-mx6-ac97.html

...and read the tutorial(s): here:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/effects-...-your-dsp.html

siktuned

Hi,

first of all, big thanks for the tips...

so...what do i want to do?

we've got the following configuration in that room: a behringer pmp5000 power mixer which main2-out is connected to the line-in of the 4760, further the line-out of the 4670 is connected to channel 15/16 on the console...the guitars, bass, vocals and drum overheads are plugged directly to the console...

the drum-shells (6 channels) are connected to a behringer xenyx1204 sub-mixer which main out is connected to the big console (channel 5/6) with a compressor inserted

for now we are just recording the complete downmix from the pmp5000 in stereo through the main2/line-in of the 4670...this is not optimal because the velocity is quite impossible to handle...the vocals are the problem...if they are loud enough in the room, they are much too loud on the recording and so on...

so i want to plug the vocals into the sub mixer and route them on the alt3/4 line of it so i can send just the vocals through the alt3/4-out on one of the soundcards (and separate channels because they are in stereo [tc helicon voicelive]) and the rest on the other like it was before

siktuned

oh sorry, i forgot some things...

the OS is a WinXP Pro 32bit SP3, i use the 3537 kX Driver and i have everything connected to the rear...i've got no live drive or something like that...

thanks again

EDIT: @Russ...you mentioned the 3545b-version of the driver...where can i get it? on the official site i only see the 3541

Russ

Regarding 3545b, see the following:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...ion-3545b.html

Regarding the rest, I really only needed the info for what you want to do on computer (though maybe someone else has some tips for you regarding the rest).

For example:
AC97/Line In to ASIO 0/1 for recording in Cubase.
--- info for any other inputs
--- any direct monitoring of inputs? if so, using which sound card output (front/rear, etc)?
ASIO 0/1 out of Cubase to front out of card.
-- any other channels from Cubase? if so, to which sound card output?

Really, that is all it comes down to when configuring kX.

i.e.
A very basic setup for recording form Line In on the rear of the card:
Clear the DSP.
Load a ProFx:SRC plugin and set it to FxBus 0/1 (this corresponds to ASIO 0/1 output from your recording application (i.e. FxBus numbers match kX ASIO channel numbers)).
Load ProFx:ADC and select Line from the dropdown boxes on the left side of the plugin GUI.
Load ProFx:kxlt.
Load ProFx:ASIO.
Connect ADC to ASIO 0/1 pins of ASIO plugin (this will be ASIO input to your recording application).
Connect SRC to analog front out pins of kxlt.

Note: The pins on the plugins have tooltips which will help to figure out which pins are used for what.

Set your recording application to use ASIO 0/1 for recording/input, and ASIO 0/1 for playback/output.

BTW: Since you are using Cubase, you might want to take a look at the following guide as well: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...ase-sx-kx.html

siktuned

Hi,

alright...i dont need to monitor single channels...i can do that by "hardware" on the mixing console

i just want to use 2 stereo inputs for 4 channels, 2 for vocals and 2 for the rest...can i do that with one card maybe??

and they are all rear inputs/outputs...i haven't got a livedrive or something like that

EDIT: regarding the guide...thanks for that...i got that one and some others...i'll try that today

Russ

No, with those card models (without any modifications) I think you are only going to have 1 stereo analog input per card. (Some cards have a secondary codec that will allow you to use 2 stereo analog inputs at the same time, but not those cards (IIRC). And of course if you had a Live! Drive you would have additional inputs that you could use in addition to the one's on the rear of the card)).

siktuned

okay...so there is no possibility to use the mic-in and the line-in at the same time??

what can i do then?

Russ

No, without chaining the cards together, you can only record a stereo mix of both, or record them as mono (i.e. split left and right recording channels of ADC such that MIC is on one side and Line In is on the other).

siktuned

okay...i read the tutorials and tried some things out yesterday, heres the update:

still no sound on asio...

i tried the following DSP-config for a first test: prolog 1/2 to epilog 1/2 and to asio14/15 fxbus1/2 to epilog 1/2

in cubase i changed the inputs to kX 14/15 with kX driver in the control panel etc.

with this config there are no windows sounds hearable and no asio recording

what am i doing wrong?

btw: i am using line-in on the rear of the 4670 for input and front audio out on the rear for output (the green socket on a normal soundblaster...mine has gold contacts...)...with default dsp-settings (reinitialised) it works fine but there is also no asio

can you tell me the right DSP-setting for that config? maybe with the front audio out (rear) for the windows sounds and the rear audio out (rear) for the asio playback? i am currently using cubase SX 2.2

Russ

Pins 1/2 of epilog will be front or rear depending on the 'Swap Front and Rear' toggle option on the main page of kxmixer. If you want to use the green jack with pins 1/2, then make sure that option is not enabled.

For ASIO recording (from prolog with Line In), make sure that the AC97 slider on the Ins and Outs page of kxmixer is not muted (set level to 0 dB), and on the AC97 page of kxmixer, that the AC97 source is set to Line In.

TravelRec.

Do you have Cubase template set to 48 kHz samplerate? Do you have ASIO inputs available and activated in Cubase? Do you have the MasterBus routed to a valid output pair in Cubase?

For the DSP: all ASIO pins on EPILOG or all pins on ASIO ProFX plugin in the DSP are inputs from DSP TO Cubase. All FXBUS pins are OUTPUTS FROM Cubase to DSP. In the DSP the FXBUS pins must be routed to physical outputs e.g. FRONT or REAR on EPILOG or ProFX k1lt plugin to hear sound. The Line_In on PROLOG or ProFX SRC must be routed to an ASIO pin pair on EPILOG or ProFX ASIO plugin.

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siktuned

Alright...so if i get things right i have to plug the prolog 1/2 to epilog 1/2 without having the "swap front/rear" box checked if i want to use the front out...and have it checked if i want to use the rear one...i did it like that (w. front out...)

then i have to plug prolog 1/2 to epilog asio channels (or profx asio) for example to channel 14/15...i did that also

with that i should be able to "hear" the sound of the ac97-line in on the ac97 front out and i should be able to record the line-in signal into asio channel 14/15 in cubase...did i get that right?

ok...and last but not least i have to plug fxbus 1/2 which represent the normal windows wave sounds as well as the asio output 0/1 to epilog 1/2 to hear windows sounds and the asio playback...i did that as well

the ac97 slider on the ins/outs-page is unmuted and on 0db, in ac97-page i chose the line-in and unmuted the line-in slider on that page and set it to 0db...that is right, too, isn't it?

the next term is cubase...ive made it exactly like described in the tutorial...new template w. 48khz samplerate, the kX asio driver in the device options and saved that twice...on the vst-connections-page (F4) i cleared all buses and made a new one, this i have set to kx 14/15 where i plugged the line-in in the DSP...is that right?

then finally on the vst outputs page, i chose kx 0/1 which are connected to my physical out in the DSP...

that is exactly the configuration, i made...i think i understand, how the DSP works and how the routing is done...so it is a complete mystery to me, why this won't work...have you got some tips for me, what else i can do?

and PS: thanks for your patience...it must be quite annoying, answering newbie-questions...

Russ

Well you do not need these connections unless you want direct monitoring of Line In.

Yes (assuming kX is configured correctly). Were you able to hear Line In from the speakers? (if not, then something is not configured correctly in kX).

Yup (assuming kX Wave 0/1 is set as the default device for Windows).
BTW: You now have 2 different things connected to pins 1/2 of epilog (prolog and FxBus), what plugin are you using to mix the 2 signals? Make sure that plugin is not muted, etc (the default setting for 'Stereo Mix' plugin has volume at 0).

Yes, but you should not need to unmute line-in slider, and also make sure that the Analog Recording Gain slider is not muted.

I do not have Cubase myself, so I cannot really offer any specific info about it.

Yeah, it sounds like you are getting the hang of it. I am not sure why it is not working. Are you still using 3537 or did you update to 3545b? Have you tried using ASIO with any other applications? Also, I suggest using ProFX:ADC instead of prolog for AC97 sources, since it is easier to configure (no need to do anything in kX Mixer, and it has a built in peak meter which can be used to verify that your are getting the signal to the DSP, etc). BTW: I also suggest connecting a peak plugin to FxBus 0/1 to verify if you are getting a signal from Cubase, etc.

Russ

BTW: Here is a picture showing one way to configure the DSP such that it will work as you described above (that should be easier to use than your config).

siktuned

Hi again!

A quick update: first of all, big thanks to you guys...it's working just fine now...i reinstalled the kX-package and the profx extension et voilá...i suppose thats windows ;-)

besides that, i've ordered a live drive, model number SB0010 (got it very cheap on ebay...) i should have it by tomorrow, i think...i suppose that there are going to be problems too with that one (mapping failures on ASIO which i read of...) i will test it and give feedback on that one...did i understand that right, that i can map an additional 2 inputs on ASIO with a LiveDrive?

And finally i have got a bit of a configuration problem which is not related to the driver...maybe you have got an idea how to solve that...its just the simple thing that i always have to mute the output on the mixing console when i want to record and the other way if i want to listen to the playback otherwise i get bad feedbacks...
i think the problem is that the cards output is connected to a channel on the mixing console and that consoles output is connected to the cards input...so if both are unmuted, i get the sound of the internal windows output (or asio playback) and at the same time i inject the same sound through the channel on the mixing console in the physical input on the card and that is again routed to the physical output...to the console...so i am hearing both at the same time...that sounds like a beer can and if it is loud enough, it gives a feedback...any ideas how to deal with that?

Thanks again

Russ

Yes, the Live! Drive will give you additional analog inputs (Line2/MIC2 and AUX2 with my Audigy drive) that are independent of the AC97 inputs on the rear of the card.

The ASIO mapping issue has to do with Live! 5.1 cards, not the Live! Drive.

As for your mixing issue, I will leave that for someone else to answer (people who do the home studio thing should be able to give you better info/tips than I could).