Sonar & Asio

ROBGB · Aug 15, 2003, 02:51 PM

Do any SONAR users have any idea how to get SONAR to recognize the Kx ASIO drivers? Whenever I set SONAR to ASIO, the Drivers tab shows no drivers, the Playback and Record driver sections are "None" and blank. I've tried various settings in SONAR and still nothing.

ASIO is recognized by ALL of my other applications. Help would very much be appreciated.

rgb

ROBGB · Aug 16, 2003, 06:15 AM

I've reinstalled just about everything I can reinstall and still no sign of the ASIO drivers in SONAR. No matter, now. The main reason I wanted to use them was, obviously, lower latency.

When I use the WDM drivers latency is supposedly 10 ms, but it seems to be much greater than that. So I did something silly and decided to try the MME drivers, which SONAR says optimum latency is about 30 ms. But oddly enough, it seems to play at little more than 6 to 8 ms -- a livable delay.

This completely baffles me because we all know that MME drivers suck in XP -- yet it's doing better than the WDM drivers... Go figure.

If anyone can tell me what the heck is going on, I'd appreciate at it.

robgb

steve pester · Aug 16, 2003, 10:50 PM

Sonar only supports WDM and MME drivers. There is no support for ASIO.

Sonar was the reason I switched to KX Project drivers. There were no WDM Creative drivers for my Live card.

You should be able to get usuable latency using WDM if your processor is fast enough.

Run the wave profiler in Sonar and adjust the latency slider.

Steve

ROBGB · Aug 16, 2003, 11:08 PM

Download SONAR 2.2 update. It supports ASIO.

I discovered my problem. I assumed the KX ASIO drivers defaulted at 48 k, but checked the Kx settings and found it was set at 44. Changed it to 48 and SONAR now recognizes the drivers. Latency is now very, very low.

ANOTHER PROBLEM I've been having, however, is that Windows XP spontaneously reboots every once in awhile, ever since I loaded the Kx drivers. I haven't found any conflicts, so I don't know what the problem is.

(And yes, I've checked thoroughly for the blaster/lovesan worm.)

robgb

sb2003 · Aug 20, 2003, 10:17 PM

What type of latency are you getting with ASIO now?

I am trying to use input monitoring with effects with KX WDM driver at 10ms delay.

Is it possible to get any better with a Creative Soundblaster Live! Platinum???

Steve

ROBGB · Aug 20, 2003, 10:59 PM

Latency is around 5 ms. I'm not at my desk right now, but it may even be as low as 2.5 ms. The WDM drivers gave me 10 ms latency in SONAR and that was unacceptable. The ASIO drivers seem very solid.

With the KX drivers, however, you have to play around with various settings to get them working smoothly. But not a big deal, really. I'm using Audigy, however. But I don't see why it wouldn't work just find with SB Live! That's what the divers were built for.

robgb

sb2003 · Aug 20, 2003, 11:08 PM

"... but checked the Kx settings and found it was set at 44. Changed it to 48 and SONAR now recognizes the drivers"

I'm new to the KX driver, but the interface seems confusing. Can you explain where the setting for the ASIO driver is found? Is there a complex method for getting input monitoring to work?

Thanks

Steve

ROBGB · Aug 21, 2003, 12:18 AM

The interface is VERY confusing. I'm still trying to figure some of the routing out. Like, I'm not sure how to set it up so SONAR (or any other program, for that matter) can record an audio mixdown of my midi files.

GigaStudio is able to capture wav files fine, but Sonar can't hear any of it. I know it's probably a simple routing problem, but I'm completely confused. I think I need to slow down and take my time with the interface. It certainly LOOKS very powerful -- and the control over DSP looks pretty impressive as well.

rgb

sb2003 · Aug 21, 2003, 09:55 PM

Yes, Very confusing.

After trying several combinations, I still have no signal from my guitar going into Sonar. The soundcard hears it and sends the signal back out through the speakers, but I don't know how to route the Line/Mic 2 Input on my Live! Drive into Sonar.

Anybody else familiar with Sonar 2.2 and ASIO driver?

Thanks in advance.

Steve

ACIDman · Aug 22, 2003, 06:11 AM

Hey..I got another problem with ASIO

..

I installed kX drivers 2 hours ago, and everything seemed to work with Cubase.
But.. I deleted the Live! drivers by mistake, and installed both SB and kX drivers all over again.

Now.. The problem is that I can't select kX drivers in Cubase -
http://helod.etnisk-playboy.net/temp/errors/1_kx.gif

And if I go to Settings>ASIO Control Panel, it does nothing! I press and .. nothing.
There was the latency selection window before..

...

What happened? I re-installed the kX drivers a few times, but still .. the same.

Thanx
---
Oh, here's the pic:

ROBGB · Aug 22, 2003, 02:30 PM

Uninstall the SB drivers BEFORE you install the Kx drivers. You don't need the SB drivers anymore. Then make sure the ASIO drivers are set at 48,000 hz.

rgb

ACIDman · Aug 22, 2003, 07:51 PM

Thanx...I'll try. BTW, kX installs SB drivers again, after I delete them 'cause to install kX it needs some drivers to base on (I think so), no?

ROBGB · Aug 22, 2003, 08:12 PM

No. To completely uninstall the SB drivers you need a utility called CTZAPXX.EXE. At least that's how it works for Audigy. Otherwise, everytime you reboot, plugnplay automatically reinstalls the SB drivers.

The Kx drivers are completely separate.

rgb

ACIDman · Aug 22, 2003, 08:18 PM

Yeah, that's what I thought

.. Where can I get that utility? (oh, I'll try to find it myself first)..
--
Oh, is it this one? I guess so .. The folder name says that it's the one..

But..When I double click it, it does nothing..
--
Oh, I found the one that works on the SB drivers CD..

ACIDman · Aug 22, 2003, 08:39 PM

Hmm... I think I was right. It says "Blah-blah. Re-run setup, if I dont install the SB drivers. And when I first install them (it asks for ctac32k.sys), the kX installator asks if I want to install kX drivers for the following device: SB blah-blah. If I dont install the SB drivers it just asks to enter the path to VSTPlugins.
----
Hmm..Still nothing .. The "ASIO Control Panel" doesnt appear..

.. I'll try again.

ACIDman · Aug 22, 2003, 09:19 PM

.. I uninstalled both SB and kX drivers, cleaned the registry, isntalled all over again and still same thing..

. BTW, mixed loaded my previous settings... I think there's something left I didn't delete (hmm.. I deleted the whole kX folder .. maybe it keeps its important data somewhere else..)

ROBGB · Aug 22, 2003, 09:41 PM

Trust me, you don't need the SB drivers. The Kx drivers are completely independent. The SB drivers are probably what's causing your problems. Use the utility, get rid of them, then reinstall the Kx drivers.

Right click on the Kx icon and open the ASIO menu.

rgb

ACIDman · Aug 22, 2003, 09:56 PM

.. That doesnt seem to work. Ok, I unistall the drivers, and try to install kX. It doesnt ask "Would u like to install kX drivers for the following device" and just asks about Vst Plugins path. After reboot, when I press on the kX Mixer icon it says "error. Re-install kX drivers". And it says that all the time until I agree and install the SB drivers. Then, installer asks would I like to install kX drivers for my SB Live!. And aft er reboot kX mixer does work, but the ASIO panel doesn't appear and I can't select kX driver in Cubase.

So, maybe they are independent, but it doesn't seem to be that way. I think, kX installer updates the existing audio drivers. Even in manual installation section in kX help it says "..select " On 'Driver' tab, click on 'Update Driver' and point to kx.inf in temporary dir.".

Oh... Why did I delete those SB drivers yesterday ..

Maybe, I'll try to install kX drivers manually.
-----
No... Still the same...

Heelp!
I don't wanna reinstall the Windows...

...

ACIDman · Aug 22, 2003, 11:47 PM

Hmm..I thiink I did it

.. By installing the 3533 drivers first and increasing the hardware acceleration..

Thanx for cool drivers, guys!

ACIDman · Aug 23, 2003, 05:05 AM

BTW, is it a bug? When I use for ex. 2.6 latency, and while Cubase is run I change latency to for ex. 40, and if I click "Play" it plays nothing but silence. If I re-run Cubase everything works fine. Is there a way to switch the latency without closing Cubase?

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Aug 25, 2003, 12:15 AM

wait a little bit -- Cubase needs some time to synchronize to a new latency
if it doesn't -- click 'Options->Reset devices'

/E

ACIDman · Aug 31, 2003, 06:00 AM

Thanx

luis_mendez · Sep 8, 2003, 05:02 PM

yo no se cual es el problema da igual ademas con asio se obtiene la posibilidad de grabar multiacanal es posible tener hasta 6 u 8 pares simutaneos de entradas dependiendo del modelo de tarjeta que se tenga

luis_mendez · Sep 8, 2003, 05:07 PM

i dont not speaking english; with asio i can record 4 mono or 2 stereo inputs it is good witch 5.33 ms latency, sound? is great + or - in ac97 some noise (i believe it is for the cable) but line2/mic2 is good

ACIDman · Sep 9, 2003, 01:16 AM

So.. What's the question?

By the way, why almost everyone says about 5.33 latency meanwhile I can select 2.66 ..?

vikflash · Sep 9, 2003, 05:38 AM

It is possible to get 2.66ms latency

But in cubase, if you have a song with many vstis and fxs plugins it is not the same
Try some big ones (absynth, pro5, fm7, attack, ppg wave, moog modular and others) working together
and you will right there understand why increasing latency

bye
Vik

ACIDman · Sep 10, 2003, 02:55 AM

Yeah.. I know. I use 2.66 for playing guitar, or playing or recording VST instruments, usually in empty project, without any other samples/instruments (maybe with 1-2 - simple drums+bass)..

luis_mendez · Sep 19, 2003, 02:46 PM

- latency + cpu and - memory using / + latency - cpu using and + memory using this vary of you cpu power, memory capacity and project track count and sample rate / bit depth

Aug 15, 2003, 02:51 PM	#1
ROBGB DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Sonar & Asio Do any SONAR users have any idea how to get SONAR to recognize the Kx ASIO drivers? Whenever I set SONAR to ASIO, the Drivers tab shows no drivers, the Playback and Record driver sections are "None" and blank. I've tried various settings in SONAR and still nothing. ASIO is recognized by ALL of my other applications. Help would very much be appreciated. rgb

Aug 16, 2003, 06:15 AM	Thread Starter #2
ROBGB DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Very Strange Happenings I've reinstalled just about everything I can reinstall and still no sign of the ASIO drivers in SONAR. No matter, now. The main reason I wanted to use them was, obviously, lower latency. When I use the WDM drivers latency is supposedly 10 ms, but it seems to be much greater than that. So I did something silly and decided to try the MME drivers, which SONAR says optimum latency is about 30 ms. But oddly enough, it seems to play at little more than 6 to 8 ms -- a livable delay. This completely baffles me because we all know that MME drivers suck in XP -- yet it's doing better than the WDM drivers... Go figure. If anyone can tell me what the heck is going on, I'd appreciate at it. robgb

Aug 20, 2003, 10:17 PM	#5
sb2003 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	ASIO vs WDM in Sonar 2.2 What type of latency are you getting with ASIO now? I am trying to use input monitoring with effects with KX WDM driver at 10ms delay. Is it possible to get any better with a Creative Soundblaster Live! Platinum??? Steve

Aug 20, 2003, 11:08 PM	#7
sb2003 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	"... but checked the Kx settings and found it was set at 44. Changed it to 48 and SONAR now recognizes the drivers" I'm new to the KX driver, but the interface seems confusing. Can you explain where the setting for the ASIO driver is found? Is there a complex method for getting input monitoring to work? Thanks Steve __________________ SB

Aug 22, 2003, 06:11 AM	#10
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Hey..I got another problem with ASIO.. I installed kX drivers 2 hours ago, and everything seemed to work with Cubase. But.. I deleted the Live! drivers by mistake, and installed both SB and kX drivers all over again. Now.. The problem is that I can't select kX drivers in Cubase - http://helod.etnisk-playboy.net/temp/errors/1_kx.gif And if I go to Settings>ASIO Control Panel, it does nothing! I press and .. nothing. There was the latency selection window before.. ... What happened? I re-installed the kX drivers a few times, but still .. the same. Thanx --- Oh, here's the pic: Last edited by ACIDman; Aug 22, 2003 at 06:49 AM.

Aug 16, 2003, 10:50 PM	#3
steve pester DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Melton Mowbray UK Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Sonar only supports WDM and MME drivers. There is no support for ASIO. Sonar was the reason I switched to KX Project drivers. There were no WDM Creative drivers for my Live card. You should be able to get usuable latency using WDM if your processor is fast enough. Run the wave profiler in Sonar and adjust the latency slider. Steve

Aug 16, 2003, 11:08 PM	Thread Starter #4
ROBGB DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Download SONAR 2.2 update. It supports ASIO. I discovered my problem. I assumed the KX ASIO drivers defaulted at 48 k, but checked the Kx settings and found it was set at 44. Changed it to 48 and SONAR now recognizes the drivers. Latency is now very, very low. ANOTHER PROBLEM I've been having, however, is that Windows XP spontaneously reboots every once in awhile, ever since I loaded the Kx drivers. I haven't found any conflicts, so I don't know what the problem is. (And yes, I've checked thoroughly for the blaster/lovesan worm.) robgb

Aug 20, 2003, 10:59 PM	Thread Starter #6
ROBGB DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Latency is around 5 ms. I'm not at my desk right now, but it may even be as low as 2.5 ms. The WDM drivers gave me 10 ms latency in SONAR and that was unacceptable. The ASIO drivers seem very solid. With the KX drivers, however, you have to play around with various settings to get them working smoothly. But not a big deal, really. I'm using Audigy, however. But I don't see why it wouldn't work just find with SB Live! That's what the divers were built for. robgb

Aug 21, 2003, 12:18 AM	Thread Starter #8
ROBGB DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	The interface is VERY confusing. I'm still trying to figure some of the routing out. Like, I'm not sure how to set it up so SONAR (or any other program, for that matter) can record an audio mixdown of my midi files. GigaStudio is able to capture wav files fine, but Sonar can't hear any of it. I know it's probably a simple routing problem, but I'm completely confused. I think I need to slow down and take my time with the interface. It certainly LOOKS very powerful -- and the control over DSP looks pretty impressive as well. rgb

Aug 21, 2003, 09:55 PM	#9
sb2003 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Yes, Very confusing. After trying several combinations, I still have no signal from my guitar going into Sonar. The soundcard hears it and sends the signal back out through the speakers, but I don't know how to route the Line/Mic 2 Input on my Live! Drive into Sonar. Anybody else familiar with Sonar 2.2 and ASIO driver? Thanks in advance. Steve

Aug 22, 2003, 02:30 PM	Thread Starter #11
ROBGB DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Uninstall the SB drivers BEFORE you install the Kx drivers. You don't need the SB drivers anymore. Then make sure the ASIO drivers are set at 48,000 hz. rgb

Aug 22, 2003, 07:51 PM	#12
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Thanx...I'll try. BTW, kX installs SB drivers again, after I delete them 'cause to install kX it needs some drivers to base on (I think so), no?

Aug 22, 2003, 08:12 PM	Thread Starter #13
ROBGB DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	No. To completely uninstall the SB drivers you need a utility called CTZAPXX.EXE. At least that's how it works for Audigy. Otherwise, everytime you reboot, plugnplay automatically reinstalls the SB drivers. The Kx drivers are completely separate. rgb

Aug 22, 2003, 08:18 PM	#14
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, that's what I thought.. Where can I get that utility? (oh, I'll try to find it myself first).. -- Oh, is it this one? I guess so .. The folder name says that it's the one.. But..When I double click it, it does nothing.. -- Oh, I found the one that works on the SB drivers CD.. Last edited by ACIDman; Aug 22, 2003 at 08:24 PM.

Aug 22, 2003, 08:39 PM	#15
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Hmm... I think I was right. It says "Blah-blah. Re-run setup, if I dont install the SB drivers. And when I first install them (it asks for ctac32k.sys), the kX installator asks if I want to install kX drivers for the following device: SB blah-blah. If I dont install the SB drivers it just asks to enter the path to VSTPlugins. ---- Hmm..Still nothing .. The "ASIO Control Panel" doesnt appear.. .. I'll try again. Last edited by ACIDman; Aug 22, 2003 at 08:48 PM.

Aug 22, 2003, 09:19 PM	#16
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	.. I uninstalled both SB and kX drivers, cleaned the registry, isntalled all over again and still same thing... BTW, mixed loaded my previous settings... I think there's something left I didn't delete (hmm.. I deleted the whole kX folder .. maybe it keeps its important data somewhere else..)

Aug 22, 2003, 09:41 PM	Thread Starter #17
ROBGB DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Trust me, you don't need the SB drivers. The Kx drivers are completely independent. The SB drivers are probably what's causing your problems. Use the utility, get rid of them, then reinstall the Kx drivers. Right click on the Kx icon and open the ASIO menu. rgb

Aug 22, 2003, 09:56 PM	#18
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	.. That doesnt seem to work. Ok, I unistall the drivers, and try to install kX. It doesnt ask "Would u like to install kX drivers for the following device" and just asks about Vst Plugins path. After reboot, when I press on the kX Mixer icon it says "error. Re-install kX drivers". And it says that all the time until I agree and install the SB drivers. Then, installer asks would I like to install kX drivers for my SB Live!. And aft er reboot kX mixer does work, but the ASIO panel doesn't appear and I can't select kX driver in Cubase. So, maybe they are independent, but it doesn't seem to be that way. I think, kX installer updates the existing audio drivers. Even in manual installation section in kX help it says "..select " On 'Driver' tab, click on 'Update Driver' and point to kx.inf in temporary dir.". Oh... Why did I delete those SB drivers yesterday .. Maybe, I'll try to install kX drivers manually. ----- No... Still the same... Heelp! I don't wanna reinstall the Windows... ... Last edited by ACIDman; Aug 22, 2003 at 10:48 PM.

Aug 22, 2003, 11:47 PM	#19
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Hmm..I thiink I did it .. By installing the 3533 drivers first and increasing the hardware acceleration.. Thanx for cool drivers, guys! Last edited by ACIDman; Aug 23, 2003 at 01:05 AM.

Aug 23, 2003, 05:05 AM	#20
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	BTW, is it a bug? When I use for ex. 2.6 latency, and while Cubase is run I change latency to for ex. 40, and if I click "Play" it plays nothing but silence. If I re-run Cubase everything works fine. Is there a way to switch the latency without closing Cubase?

Aug 25, 2003, 12:15 AM	#21
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	wait a little bit -- Cubase needs some time to synchronize to a new latency if it doesn't -- click 'Options->Reset devices' /E

Aug 31, 2003, 06:00 AM	#22
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Thanx

Sep 8, 2003, 05:02 PM	#23
luis_mendez DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Ja ja yo no se cual es el problema da igual ademas con asio se obtiene la posibilidad de grabar multiacanal es posible tener hasta 6 u 8 pares simutaneos de entradas dependiendo del modelo de tarjeta que se tenga

Sep 8, 2003, 05:07 PM	#24
luis_mendez DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	excuse me i dont not speaking english; with asio i can record 4 mono or 2 stereo inputs it is good witch 5.33 ms latency, sound? is great + or - in ac97 some noise (i believe it is for the cable) but line2/mic2 is good

Sep 9, 2003, 01:16 AM	#25
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Hmm So.. What's the question? By the way, why almost everyone says about 5.33 latency meanwhile I can select 2.66 ..?

Sep 9, 2003, 05:38 AM	#26
vikflash HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 150 Rep Power: 0	2.66ms latency It is possible to get 2.66ms latency But in cubase, if you have a song with many vstis and fxs plugins it is not the same Try some big ones (absynth, pro5, fm7, attack, ppg wave, moog modular and others) working together and you will right there understand why increasing latency bye Vik

Sep 10, 2003, 02:55 AM	#27
ACIDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Yeah.. I know. I use 2.66 for playing guitar, or playing or recording VST instruments, usually in empty project, without any other samples/instruments (maybe with 1-2 - simple drums+bass)..

Sep 19, 2003, 02:46 PM	#28
luis_mendez DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	ok - latency + cpu and - memory using / + latency - cpu using and + memory using this vary of you cpu power, memory capacity and project track count and sample rate / bit depth