Is there any "ASIO multiclient possibility"..

Vadim_K · Apr 17, 2005, 12:11 AM

The idea is that I tried to experiment to use Cubase Sx2 and standalone version of NI Pro53 (not VST) together. Cubase SX 2 running throw kxasio, and one of the MIDI track send MIDI data to Pro53 standalone throw MIDI YOKE (virtual MIDI cable). The result is when Pro53 start to sound (if there is kxasio selected as audiodriver) Cubase sound starts dropping, so It can't work together at one time, I tried to maximize latencies, that doesn't affect. Cubase playng normaly If I select DirectSound or MME driver in Pro53. So, question is, is there any possibility to run Cubase SX and standalone audio program both together throw KXASIO ?

I have Sblive with KX 3538h installed

TheKezReturns · May 10, 2005, 02:17 AM

Well I use Ableton Live and Lounge Lizard Stand Alone togther with no problems (except that LL starts itself in Realtime mode whcih I have to change). In Live I have Asio 1/2 and 7/8 enabled and LL runs on 3/4... they run happily together. I don't use Cubase so I don't know but see if there is an option to choose how many Asio Outs are enabled.

Kez.

TravelRec. · May 15, 2005, 07:28 PM

Only one application can have access to ASIO at one time. No chance to get two or more programs working via the same ASIO driver. This is limited by the definition of ASIO itself (for now).

thomasabarnes · May 15, 2005, 09:57 PM

Vadim K:

Because you say you started to play SX2 and Pro 53 together, but then SX2 starts to die out, I think your problem is not an ASIO compatibilty problem. There is an option in SONAR to Share Drivers with other programs, and I think SX2 must have this capability as well.

I think the problem is in Pro 53, our system specs, or a matter of whether or not youre using the MIDI Yoke cable and SX correctly to do what youre trying to do. I tried runing SONAR and Pro 53 at the same time, and I got some error sometimes saying that my latency setting was too low or something like that. My system specs are in my signature, so you can compare with yours to see if we have some commonality. I was able to run them both together when I set kX ASIO latency to 20.xx ms. Yet, sometimes I even got that error with the 20.xx ms ASIO setting. I ran VSampler 3 Standalone app with SONAR just fine at 8.xx ms latency setting, so either Pro 53 needs an update or it's too demanding on our system to run a Sequencer like SONAR or SX2 at the same time as Pro 53 Standalone. BTW, I'm using Pro 53 v.3.000.013.

Did you try running some other ASIO capable Standalone program with SX2, to see if you can do what youre trying with SX2 and Pro 53?. Sounds like some intense thing youre trying to do with SX, Pro 53 Standalone, and the MIDI Yoke cable. But, like I said I was able to run Pro 53 Standalone and Sonar together when I didnt get that error meassge, so maybe another thing to check is if you are using the MIDI yoke cable properly.

**dj_stick** · May 16, 2005, 02:53 AM

I must ask, why can you not use Pro 53 VSTi?

TheKezReturns · May 17, 2005, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Only one application can have access to ASIO at one time. No chance to get two or more programs working via the same ASIO driver. This is limited by the definition of ASIO itself (for now).

Well, maybe not the same ASIO channels but two programs can definatley access the KX ASIO system at the same time. I know because I do it every day. To be honest I didn't think it was possible either until I gave it a try. Ableton Live plays my backing tracks on ASIO 1/2 while I monitor new stuff to bring in with ASIO 7/8 through the headphones. Meanwhile I'm doing some some Rhode's riffs over the top with Lounge Lizard (Stand Alone mode) running through ASIO 3/4. I think it has to do with these programs' ablility to just access the channels they need and not hog the whole ASIO system as in the case with Cubase.

Anyway, still probably dosen't help you Vadim_K

/Kez

TravelRec. · May 17, 2005, 10:04 AM

Yes, okay, I understand. May the programs do not block the whole ASIO system if they only work on the selected channels and they differ for each program. Since Cubase uses the whole driver for itself, it´s not possible to grab it with another application at the same time. So it should be fine to use the VST / DX version instead of the standalone.

Toadly_Ossum · May 17, 2005, 05:58 PM

I use KX and ASIO4ALL for this type of purpose. For example I can run cubase sx2 (on KX) and Logic 5.5.1(on ASIO4ALL) simultainiosly. and run the awesome sounding logic instruments into cubase for recording.

Also use this method running V-stack (on KX) and Logic (on ASIO4ALL) simultainioulsy in a Live stage setup.

Toadly

thomasabarnes · May 18, 2005, 02:58 AM

Gents, it is possible using an ASIO driver to play Standalone Programs such as Kontakt, VSampler, and Pro 53 at the same time that Cubase SX2 (and I think it's possibe with SX also, but I dont have this version, so I wasnt able to try it out) is running.

Just make sure that the "Release ASIO Driver In Background" option is not check marked. And, if your system can handle it you can play Standalone programs as Cubase SX is running.

When trying to run some programs this way, you may encounter a kX ASIO error saying "Error creating input buffer... E_ENVALIDARG: Too big latency and too many channels-- Resetting latency..." Clicking OK on the error box will eventually allow the programs to run at the same time. I dont know how to avoid this, but I think LeMury or Max M or even Eugene can shed some light on this matter.

Nevertheless, I've done it using SX2 and VSampler, Kontakt2, and Pro53, it's possible to run Cubase SX at the same time as a Standalone Synth or Sampler. So, the problem Vadim K, the starter of this thread, is having is not because SX2 doesnt have this ability. The problem is something else. I made some suggestions of where the problem might be as I posted my first post here. Surely some good troubleshooting can help Vadim K pin point the problem.

Cya all around.

Edit: Some other good suggestions have been made in this thread. And, I must say, I dont know why he doesnt want to use the VSTi/DXi versionof Pro 53.

kokoon · May 29, 2005, 05:34 PM

my experience is that i can run kx ASIO in multiple applications as long as they're mapped to different asio channels.

i have successfully ran reaktor and cubase and pd together, all of them using kx asio.

Scoox · Jan 28, 2008, 03:09 AM

ASIO multiclient comes in many shapes. I own both an RME Fireface 400 and a Native Instruments Kore audio interface, and both support ASIO multiclient, but with differences.

The Fireface allows one ASIO client per channel pair, i.e., you can have Cubase on playback channels 1+2 and Native Instruments Pro-53 on playback channels 3+4, but not both on 1+2, because then you get pops and clicks and things don't work.

By contrast, the Kore audio interface has the best ASIO multiclient driver I have ever seen. This driver allows you to have as many ASIO clients on the same plabyack channel pair as your computer can cope with. The Fireface is more flexible when it comes to singal routing and metering, but I had to fiddle so much with it to get it to work the way I wanted that I've given up. Screw my Fireface. Now I use Kore exclusively, becasue it can handle anything Ithrow at it reliably. I have just been doing some tests and I have had as many as 11 ASIO clients running simultaneously and flawlessly on the Kore driver. Clients included: 3 instances of Pro-53, Kontakt, Reason 3, Kore 2, and more. I could have run more if I wanted to. It gets better: I can use Kore too as my the Windows default sound device, and run Winamp and/or iTunes at the same time as the multiple ASIO clients, all this without a single pop or click. With Kore I just don't need to worry about anything, I simply run each app and sound comes out the way you want it. Surely this is the way multiclient should be.

I make dance music and I don't have any hardware synths or effects so really all I'll ever need is one microphone preamp and two balanced outputs to connnect my monitors, therefore I am considering buying Native Instruments Audio Kontrol which has both of these features, and I assume will be as well-behaved as the Kore audio interface. Seriously guys, if you want to focus on making music and forget about routing audio and dicking around with too many settings each time you start an application, do check out NI's hardware.

TravelRec. · Jan 29, 2008, 02:17 PM

This is a not very kX-friendly workaround... Thanx anyway.

imperia · Mar 5, 2008, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokoon

my experience is that i can run kx ASIO in multiple applications as long as they're mapped to different asio channels.

i have successfully ran reaktor and cubase and pd together, all of them using kx asio.

same here. i have used traktor thru ableton live. different channels should be used.

Thorsun · Jan 5, 2009, 04:59 AM

I am having a similar issue with ASIO in Win Vista. I have ASIO4ALL installed and it won't let me run two programs (Stormdrum and Adobe Audition) at the same time. I tried installing kX ASIO, but the install tells me I have no kX sound card installed.

Tril · Jan 5, 2009, 05:49 AM

Supported soundcards

McArcher · Mar 29, 2009, 02:39 PM

I'm experimenting with ASIO Multi Server (ASIO multiclient driver, downloaded from Cubase.net .:::. View topic - PC Windows ASIO multiclient driver by Charlie Steinberg ).

I've written in russian about it at - http://www.hardwareheaven.com/russian/...-out-asio.html , there's screenshot also. However, it seems that this solution isn't ideal. Sometimes using this Multi Server I get noise clack sounds like when my latency is too low when using ordinary kX without multiclient programm. Maybe I need to rise latency much higher when using this Multi Server?

Apr 17, 2005, 12:11 AM	#1
Vadim_K DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Latvia Posts: 59 Rep Power: 0	Is there any "ASIO multiclient possibility".. The idea is that I tried to experiment to use Cubase Sx2 and standalone version of NI Pro53 (not VST) together. Cubase SX 2 running throw kxasio, and one of the MIDI track send MIDI data to Pro53 standalone throw MIDI YOKE (virtual MIDI cable). The result is when Pro53 start to sound (if there is kxasio selected as audiodriver) Cubase sound starts dropping, so It can't work together at one time, I tried to maximize latencies, that doesn't affect. Cubase playng normaly If I select DirectSound or MME driver in Pro53. So, question is, is there any possibility to run Cubase SX and standalone audio program both together throw KXASIO ? I have Sblive with KX 3538h installed

May 10, 2005, 02:17 AM	#2
TheKezReturns HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 118 Rep Power: 42	...must be cubase Well I use Ableton Live and Lounge Lizard Stand Alone togther with no problems (except that LL starts itself in Realtime mode whcih I have to change). In Live I have Asio 1/2 and 7/8 enabled and LL runs on 3/4... they run happily together. I don't use Cubase so I don't know but see if there is an option to choose how many Asio Outs are enabled. Kez.

May 15, 2005, 07:28 PM	#3
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 56	Only one application can have access to ASIO at one time. No chance to get two or more programs working via the same ASIO driver. This is limited by the definition of ASIO itself (for now). __________________ Always take a look behind.

May 15, 2005, 09:57 PM	#4
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Vadim K: Because you say you started to play SX2 and Pro 53 together, but then SX2 starts to die out, I think your problem is not an ASIO compatibilty problem. There is an option in SONAR to Share Drivers with other programs, and I think SX2 must have this capability as well. I think the problem is in Pro 53, our system specs, or a matter of whether or not youre using the MIDI Yoke cable and SX correctly to do what youre trying to do. I tried runing SONAR and Pro 53 at the same time, and I got some error sometimes saying that my latency setting was too low or something like that. My system specs are in my signature, so you can compare with yours to see if we have some commonality. I was able to run them both together when I set kX ASIO latency to 20.xx ms. Yet, sometimes I even got that error with the 20.xx ms ASIO setting. I ran VSampler 3 Standalone app with SONAR just fine at 8.xx ms latency setting, so either Pro 53 needs an update or it's too demanding on our system to run a Sequencer like SONAR or SX2 at the same time as Pro 53 Standalone. BTW, I'm using Pro 53 v.3.000.013. Did you try running some other ASIO capable Standalone program with SX2, to see if you can do what youre trying with SX2 and Pro 53?. Sounds like some intense thing youre trying to do with SX, Pro 53 Standalone, and the MIDI Yoke cable. But, like I said I was able to run Pro 53 Standalone and Sonar together when I didnt get that error meassge, so maybe another thing to check is if you are using the MIDI yoke cable properly. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

May 17, 2005, 10:04 AM	#7
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 56	Yes, okay, I understand. May the programs do not block the whole ASIO system if they only work on the selected channels and they differ for each program. Since Cubase uses the whole driver for itself, it´s not possible to grab it with another application at the same time. So it should be fine to use the VST / DX version instead of the standalone. __________________ Always take a look behind.

May 17, 2005, 05:58 PM	#8
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	I use KX and ASIO4ALL for this type of purpose. For example I can run cubase sx2 (on KX) and Logic 5.5.1(on ASIO4ALL) simultainiosly. and run the awesome sounding logic instruments into cubase for recording. Also use this method running V-stack (on KX) and Logic (on ASIO4ALL) simultainioulsy in a Live stage setup. Toadly

May 18, 2005, 02:58 AM	#9
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Gents, it is possible using an ASIO driver to play Standalone Programs such as Kontakt, VSampler, and Pro 53 at the same time that Cubase SX2 (and I think it's possibe with SX also, but I dont have this version, so I wasnt able to try it out) is running. Just make sure that the "Release ASIO Driver In Background" option is not check marked. And, if your system can handle it you can play Standalone programs as Cubase SX is running. When trying to run some programs this way, you may encounter a kX ASIO error saying "Error creating input buffer... E_ENVALIDARG: Too big latency and too many channels-- Resetting latency..." Clicking OK on the error box will eventually allow the programs to run at the same time. I dont know how to avoid this, but I think LeMury or Max M or even Eugene can shed some light on this matter. Nevertheless, I've done it using SX2 and VSampler, Kontakt2, and Pro53, it's possible to run Cubase SX at the same time as a Standalone Synth or Sampler. So, the problem Vadim K, the starter of this thread, is having is not because SX2 doesnt have this ability. The problem is something else. I made some suggestions of where the problem might be as I posted my first post here. Surely some good troubleshooting can help Vadim K pin point the problem. Cya all around. Edit: Some other good suggestions have been made in this thread. And, I must say, I dont know why he doesnt want to use the VSTi/DXi versionof Pro 53. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs Last edited by thomasabarnes; May 18, 2005 at 03:14 AM.

May 29, 2005, 05:34 PM	#10
kokoon DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: slovenia Posts: 269 Rep Power: 0	my experience is that i can run kx ASIO in multiple applications as long as they're mapped to different asio channels. i have successfully ran reaktor and cubase and pd together, all of them using kx asio. __________________ [kokoon]

Jan 28, 2008, 03:09 AM	#11
Scoox DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Check out Native Instruments audio interfaces ASIO multiclient comes in many shapes. I own both an RME Fireface 400 and a Native Instruments Kore audio interface, and both support ASIO multiclient, but with differences. The Fireface allows one ASIO client per channel pair, i.e., you can have Cubase on playback channels 1+2 and Native Instruments Pro-53 on playback channels 3+4, but not both on 1+2, because then you get pops and clicks and things don't work. By contrast, the Kore audio interface has the best ASIO multiclient driver I have ever seen. This driver allows you to have as many ASIO clients on the same plabyack channel pair as your computer can cope with. The Fireface is more flexible when it comes to singal routing and metering, but I had to fiddle so much with it to get it to work the way I wanted that I've given up. Screw my Fireface. Now I use Kore exclusively, becasue it can handle anything Ithrow at it reliably. I have just been doing some tests and I have had as many as 11 ASIO clients running simultaneously and flawlessly on the Kore driver. Clients included: 3 instances of Pro-53, Kontakt, Reason 3, Kore 2, and more. I could have run more if I wanted to. It gets better: I can use Kore too as my the Windows default sound device, and run Winamp and/or iTunes at the same time as the multiple ASIO clients, all this without a single pop or click. With Kore I just don't need to worry about anything, I simply run each app and sound comes out the way you want it. Surely this is the way multiclient should be. I make dance music and I don't have any hardware synths or effects so really all I'll ever need is one microphone preamp and two balanced outputs to connnect my monitors, therefore I am considering buying Native Instruments Audio Kontrol which has both of these features, and I assume will be as well-behaved as the Kore audio interface. Seriously guys, if you want to focus on making music and forget about routing audio and dicking around with too many settings each time you start an application, do check out NI's hardware. Last edited by Scoox; Jan 28, 2008 at 03:17 AM.

Jan 29, 2008, 02:17 PM	#12
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 56	This is a not very kX-friendly workaround... Thanx anyway. __________________ Always take a look behind.

Jan 5, 2009, 04:59 AM	#14
Thorsun DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Re: Is there any "ASIO multiclient possibility".. I am having a similar issue with ASIO in Win Vista. I have ASIO4ALL installed and it won't let me run two programs (Stormdrum and Adobe Audition) at the same time. I tried installing kX ASIO, but the install tells me I have no kX sound card installed.

Jan 5, 2009, 05:49 AM	#15
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,675 Rep Power: 62 System Specs	Re: Is there any "ASIO multiclient possibility".. Supported soundcards

Mar 29, 2009, 02:39 PM	#16
McArcher DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	Re: Is there any "ASIO multiclient possibility".. I'm experimenting with ASIO Multi Server (ASIO multiclient driver, downloaded from Cubase.net .:::. View topic - PC Windows ASIO multiclient driver by Charlie Steinberg ). I've written in russian about it at - http://www.hardwareheaven.com/russian/...-out-asio.html , there's screenshot also. However, it seems that this solution isn't ideal. Sometimes using this Multi Server I get noise clack sounds like when my latency is too low when using ordinary kX without multiclient programm. Maybe I need to rise latency much higher when using this Multi Server?