Marbleface

[color=black]I am having trouble getting an SB0090 (Audigy gatewayOEM without drivebay) to work properly with an SB0100 (Live5.1 without livedrive).[/color]

[color=black]Both cards work well independently with manufacturer drivers or with kX3537 drivers.[/color]

[color=black]Both cards also work well together but only with the nonflexible manufacturer drivers.[/color]

[color=black]When I use them together with the kX3537 drivers, I get no sound from ASIO on the SB0090. Can get sound from Directsound2d via the kXTest though… so it’s not as if there is nothing at all coming thru from FXbus.[/color]

[color=black]I am using ‘FruityLoops 5’ software to send to kXOut. What I would like to do is to match up each kXOut with a physical analog out (16 total outs, so I need at least 2 cards).[/color]

[color=black]If I can’t get these two cards to work well together, I need to know if I would have best results getting a second SB0100 or another SB0090.[/color]



[color=black]Not sure if my problems are because of the SB0100 being a known buggy card or if it is just some incompatability with something else on my system.[/color]



[color=black]Props to kXproject for making a great set of tools that are remarkably flexible and easy to learn from too.[/color]

Marbleface

No replies yet.. so i guess i'll reply AND quote my own post.
Yeah, I'm definately learning a few things. I just need someone to verify so I know whether I'm understanding correctly. I WAS under the impression that kXASIO had a single ASIO group of Ins and Outs (16) and that this group applied to all cards using kXdrivers simultaneously. i.e. (kXOut4-->FXbus6-->AnalogOut fL of card#1.....then..... kXOut4-->FXbus8-->AnalogOut fL of card#2) In this setup I was thinking of the two kXOut4's as being the of the same origin.
Turns out (i believe) that each card has it's own unique set of 16 ASIO 'kXOuts'
Am I on the right path of enlightenment?

I started realizing my misunderstanding when reading forum threads about people achieving 6+ Ins for recording using 3 cards... im thinking 'why don't they just use ASIO instead of physical jumps between cards?' <--Duh, now i get it. And since this is just the reverse of what I am trying to accomplish (more than 1 card's worth of analog Outs), I'm under the impression that I might need to s/pdif jump from my Aud_Ext pins to achieve this. (Also wondering about possible added latency using this method)
Unless there IS a way to split a single ASIO set amongst several cards?, something other than FruityLoops5 or my ancient version of cakewalk perhaps... a better app that will let me handle several asio sets at once (thanks to Eugene's '[color=#242f37][color=cyan]Added support for multiple ASIO drivers[/color][/color]') Anyone know which Cubase versions support 'Multiple' and which don't?

As for the cards not working well together... I have no idea what was causing loss sound on SB0090... they both now work great with kX3538h... except for the expected [color=#242f37][color=cyan]'when opening asio control panel, changing latencies, exiting asio host, you may experience system freezes (short-time)' [/color][/color]...which is an ok sacrafice for the understanding that I may/may not have achieved.

Any feedback would be appreciated <--- 'Still learning, forever learning'

Doug W

I don't know about your FL questions but you are right that you are right about adding the SPDIF cable between the two.

I have an SB0090 and haven't had any issues with it. I use 3 cards together but seldom mess with more than one output.

There is no latency that I can hear doing analog recording which is pretty much all that I do. I have heard there is a measurable latency when using multiple cards but since I can't hear it, I don't care.

Out of curiosity, why do you need to use 16 outs?

Marbleface

[color=#000000]This is kinda strange… but, hey, you asked.[/color]

[color=#000000]I’m working on my next year annual summer blowout theme. The idea is just being born so it will obviously change and grow, but the basis is as follows:[/color]

[color=#000000]Live positional band instrument output for a large crowd fenced within an outdoor party circle measuring approx 150-200ft diameter, with speakers positioned about 50ft outside the circle. The sound would not be virtually positioned to appear inside the circle as in a surround system ‘cause this creates the problem of needing the listener to be in a single known position (else, unwanted sound delays resulting in clutter, would be heard). Plus the idea really is for the audience to feel trapped and attacked as a group by the evasive sounds outside the circle. The sound positioning would be just as live and dynamic as the music (possibly being controlled by the individual band member via their own personal midi control. This would be semi-simple panning between two adjacent speakers and easy to accomplish. An 8 speaker setup would probably not be as ‘enveloping’ as I would like because that would set the speakers at 45degree increments (with speakers set at a radius of approx 125-150ft that would mean adjacent speakers are bout 49-59ft apart) [/color]

[color=#000000]The closest possible listener would be about that same distance from the two closest speakers.[/color]

[color=#000000]That’s pretty good resolution but I just want to know ahead of time that I will be able to increase it if I see fit, once I start the preliminary tests. (I just like to over-do stuff I guess). I’m trying to do this in the cheapest way though cause I’m not exactly rich, but thanks to a friend, I have a buttload of same model amplifiers to borrow… so why not put as many of them to use as possible eh? I’m just building the tool that will do all the hard work, everything else will just be borrowed muscle.[/color]



[color=#000000]And hey, when it’s all over, I’ll have one heck of a massively flexible and unique live performance machine. To keep with the idea of flexibility, I’m thinking of making all of my spdifs physically selectable from the front of my rack. (the pretty way… i.e. Spdif out1 of card#1 has switch for these options: [to in1 of card#2] / [to external jack] / [to in1 of card#3]. Or the ugly but easy way… i.e. jumper cables between external jacks on front panel.)[/color]



[color=#000000]Btw… my problems with the SB0090 returned when I reinstalled a vid capture/tuner card that I had in before my switch to kX3538. Can’t believe I let it go un-noticed before but turns out to be a simple IRQ prob. All good again now tho. Just in time to swap the SB0100 for two untouched Audigy2zs OEM cards that I bought from an acquaintance who works for a comp manufacturer. $20/each! (hot?... I don’t wanna know!) ß gift horse… the mouth… y’know?[/color]



[color=#000000]Hope I can squeeze these in without harm… I’m not expecting an easy journey tho.[/color]



[color=#000000]Any small delays that might be noticeable from the signals sent via spdif could be compensated for by adding an equivalent delay to the non spdifs anyway I’m thinking. I’m not so much worried about overall latency…. Just uneven timing of final output.[/color]


I don't need 16 outs.... I just WANT them!
^V^

TravelRec.

Hi!
Audigy 1 (SB0090) offers you 12 independent mono output channels (6x stereo), if you use the 3 digital spdif outs with 3 external D/A converters. Try to take a look in the net for SPDIF-> analog converters. In addition to the Live!´s analog outs you have 18! But I fear you have to build the external converters for yourself.
Greetings!

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