Newbie fighting with outputs and Asio..

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 12:24 AM

Hi guys.

I´ve been reading some other posts and I guess Im not the first one with this issue. Im sorry if I boder you with this again

I installed the Guitar Rig and im having troubles when I try to make it sound. If I use "Asio" interface, nothing happens, and if I use "direct sound" an incredible insane Feedback starts. I guess the recording source also record my music, my windows sounds, all...I put "line in" as a AC97 source, but it records everything!.

An the Asio never sounds..

. Should I use ASIO or DirectSound?. If I want asio, is there any special connection that I should do?

Here are my settings:

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/9650/16xw.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/7164/24by.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/3244/31yr.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5711/41ch.jpg

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 02:26 AM

First off, how is your guitar connected to your soundcard? i.e. Are you using a pre-amp or something similair to bring the guitar level to line level? I do not know anything about Guitar Rig, but if it supports ASIO, then you should use ASIO. Before trying to use external software, try and ensure that you can hear your guitar through kX itself. BTW: It appears you have a 10K1 based card, so be aware that you cannot use the ASIO 1 and 2 connections of epilog. Additionally be aware that the ASIO channel numbers do not always map 1 to 1 with the channels numbers used in ASIO host software (the numbers are often shifted by 2), so you may have to try selecting different channels numbers in your ASIO host software (Guitar Rig in this case) before finding the right one. Check out the ProFX plugins as they are much easier to use then kxmixer and prolog for such situations.

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 03:29 AM

Yes I conect the guitar through the Line in. I know its not the best choice, but I got nice results. Its the same cable I use for the Keyboard and I just use that cable for the guitar.

I can hear the guitar, and actually I CAN use the Guitar Rig as a Fx with an Audio track in Sonar. But I have to record the guitar totally dry, and then playback it to hear the wet sound.

What I want to do (and I always had problems with this) is to do it as a StandAlone soft. Just play an hear the wet sound.

I have a SoundBlaster Live! Value, thats my Soundcard.

And about the ASIO config in the Guitar Rig, I have no posibilities about that:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4247/53je.jpg

Only CT4832 10k1 [c400] is available.

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 04:17 AM

That config screen in Guitar Rig looks like a general type of page to pick which driver to use. There should be another area for you to select the specific ASIO Output(s), and ASIO Input(s) (maybe on the routing tab?)

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 04:37 AM

Yes:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3856/68si.jpg

But I can´t select any input .. it shows me "not-connected" only and i can´t select anything

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 04:48 AM

Hmm, I downloaded the demo, but I guess my processor is too old as it won't run (gives message about my processor).

BTW: The sample rate should be 48000 not 44100. Try changing that and see if it then lets you select the inputs.

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 05:36 AM

Thats not a posibilitiy. 48000 is not supported. Actually the whole program crash after I tryed that heh...

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 05:42 AM

I have seen that happen with other programs as well, but upon restart of the program the 48000 sample rate selection stuck, and then everything worked. Also, reading some other posts about Guitar Rig seems to indicate the same, so it should work for you

Check out the following post:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/bug-reports/57115-major-issues.html

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 06:02 AM

Woops, 48000, done. I set the inputs but nothing happens. Should I change something in the DSP section? Thats chinnese for me!..

pd: sorry for my english, is not my language..

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 06:06 AM

I do not know what that means, but again from reading other posts, you can safely ignore that message and it should work.

i.e. The following post:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/archive/...p/t-58457.html

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marinotomas

Woops, 48000, done. I set the inputs but nothing happens. Should I change something in the DSP section? Thats chinnese for me!..

pd: sorry for my english, is not my language..

I just noticed that you edited that post. Remember what I said about ASIO and 10K1 cards. I usually use ASIO 4 and 5 (on epilog), and they usually show up as ASIO Inputs 6 and 7 in the Host software, but it could show up as any port number, so you may have to try several different selections for the Input ports in Guitar Rig before finding the right one. Before going through all that, connect a peak meter to the connections that you plan to connect to epilog (typically that top 2 outputs of Prolog), and make sure your guitar signal is present on that connection. Once you are sure you have a signal, then make the connection to epilog (ASIO 4 and 5), and then try Guitar Rig, and select different Inputs until you find the right one.

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 06:18 AM

The user "Lemury" says that I should change some things at the DSP section, but I just dont´t get that stuff. Damn, I need a stupid-proof help..

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 06:24 AM

I don´t get the epilog thing. Should I change something in the DSP I showed before AND try different connections on the Guitar rig?..

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 06:26 AM

Try this:
Open up the kX DSP Window.
Disconnect the top 2 outputs of the prolog plugin (right click with the mouse pointer over the connector and choose "Disconnect"). Then load a peak meter, and connect the top 2 outputs of prolog to the peak meter and to the ASIO 4 and 5 inputs of epilog (the 21st and 22nd connection. Hold the mouse over the connection to get the description of the connection).
In kxmixer:
On the "Ins and Outs" page, unmute the "AC97" slider and set volume at 100%.
On the "AC97" page select "LineIn" from the combobox, and using the peak meter as a guide, adjust the "Gain" slider such that the signal on the peak meter gets as close to 0 decibels as possible without reaching 0 when playing the guitar.
Then open up Guitar Rig and and find the correct Input (try 4 and 5, or 6 and 7 first, as they are the most likely ones) and it should work.

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 06:38 AM

When you say peak meter is the same "peak"
I use "add fx/plugin" "Basic" and then Peak..

is that ok?

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marinotomas

When you say peak meter is the same "peak"
I use "add fx/plugin" "Basic" and then Peak..

is that ok?

Yes, that is what I mean.

marinotomas · Jul 20, 2005, 06:42 AM

wwooww, that worked..

great...Now im gonna try different latency settings..

Russ · Jul 20, 2005, 06:44 AM

Glad it is working. At some point you may want to check out LeMury's ProFX plugins, as they are easier to work with (you do not have to deal with kxmixer at all).

Jul 20, 2005, 12:24 AM	#1
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Newbie fighting with outputs and Asio.. Hi guys. I´ve been reading some other posts and I guess Im not the first one with this issue. Im sorry if I boder you with this again I installed the Guitar Rig and im having troubles when I try to make it sound. If I use "Asio" interface, nothing happens, and if I use "direct sound" an incredible insane Feedback starts. I guess the recording source also record my music, my windows sounds, all...I put "line in" as a AC97 source, but it records everything!. An the Asio never sounds.. . Should I use ASIO or DirectSound?. If I want asio, is there any special connection that I should do? Here are my settings: http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/9650/16xw.jpg http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/7164/24by.jpg http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/3244/31yr.jpg http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5711/41ch.jpg

Jul 20, 2005, 06:02 AM	Thread Starter #9
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Woops, 48000, done. I set the inputs but nothing happens. Should I change something in the DSP section? Thats chinnese for me!.. pd: sorry for my english, is not my language.. Last edited by marinotomas; Jul 20, 2005 at 06:08 AM.

Jul 20, 2005, 06:26 AM	#14
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Try this: Open up the kX DSP Window. Disconnect the top 2 outputs of the prolog plugin (right click with the mouse pointer over the connector and choose "Disconnect"). Then load a peak meter, and connect the top 2 outputs of prolog to the peak meter and to the ASIO 4 and 5 inputs of epilog (the 21st and 22nd connection. Hold the mouse over the connection to get the description of the connection). In kxmixer: On the "Ins and Outs" page, unmute the "AC97" slider and set volume at 100%. On the "AC97" page select "LineIn" from the combobox, and using the peak meter as a guide, adjust the "Gain" slider such that the signal on the peak meter gets as close to 0 decibels as possible without reaching 0 when playing the guitar. Then open up Guitar Rig and and find the correct Input (try 4 and 5, or 6 and 7 first, as they are the most likely ones) and it should work. Last edited by Russ; Jul 20, 2005 at 06:38 AM.

Jul 20, 2005, 02:26 AM	#2
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	First off, how is your guitar connected to your soundcard? i.e. Are you using a pre-amp or something similair to bring the guitar level to line level? I do not know anything about Guitar Rig, but if it supports ASIO, then you should use ASIO. Before trying to use external software, try and ensure that you can hear your guitar through kX itself. BTW: It appears you have a 10K1 based card, so be aware that you cannot use the ASIO 1 and 2 connections of epilog. Additionally be aware that the ASIO channel numbers do not always map 1 to 1 with the channels numbers used in ASIO host software (the numbers are often shifted by 2), so you may have to try selecting different channels numbers in your ASIO host software (Guitar Rig in this case) before finding the right one. Check out the ProFX plugins as they are much easier to use then kxmixer and prolog for such situations.

Jul 20, 2005, 03:29 AM	Thread Starter #3
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Yes I conect the guitar through the Line in. I know its not the best choice, but I got nice results. Its the same cable I use for the Keyboard and I just use that cable for the guitar. I can hear the guitar, and actually I CAN use the Guitar Rig as a Fx with an Audio track in Sonar. But I have to record the guitar totally dry, and then playback it to hear the wet sound. What I want to do (and I always had problems with this) is to do it as a StandAlone soft. Just play an hear the wet sound. I have a SoundBlaster Live! Value, thats my Soundcard. And about the ASIO config in the Guitar Rig, I have no posibilities about that: http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4247/53je.jpg Only CT4832 10k1 [c400] is available.

Jul 20, 2005, 04:17 AM	#4
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	That config screen in Guitar Rig looks like a general type of page to pick which driver to use. There should be another area for you to select the specific ASIO Output(s), and ASIO Input(s) (maybe on the routing tab?)

Jul 20, 2005, 04:37 AM	Thread Starter #5
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Yes: http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3856/68si.jpg But I can´t select any input .. it shows me "not-connected" only and i can´t select anything

Jul 20, 2005, 04:48 AM	#6
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Hmm, I downloaded the demo, but I guess my processor is too old as it won't run (gives message about my processor). BTW: The sample rate should be 48000 not 44100. Try changing that and see if it then lets you select the inputs.

Jul 20, 2005, 05:36 AM	Thread Starter #7
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Thats not a posibilitiy. 48000 is not supported. Actually the whole program crash after I tryed that heh...

Jul 20, 2005, 05:42 AM	#8
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	I have seen that happen with other programs as well, but upon restart of the program the 48000 sample rate selection stuck, and then everything worked. Also, reading some other posts about Guitar Rig seems to indicate the same, so it should work for you Check out the following post: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/bug-reports/57115-major-issues.html

Jul 20, 2005, 06:06 AM	#10
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	I do not know what that means, but again from reading other posts, you can safely ignore that message and it should work. i.e. The following post: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/archive/...p/t-58457.html

Jul 20, 2005, 06:18 AM	Thread Starter #12
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	The user "Lemury" says that I should change some things at the DSP section, but I just dont´t get that stuff. Damn, I need a stupid-proof help..

Jul 20, 2005, 06:24 AM	Thread Starter #13
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	I don´t get the epilog thing. Should I change something in the DSP I showed before AND try different connections on the Guitar rig?..

Jul 20, 2005, 06:38 AM	Thread Starter #15
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	When you say peak meter is the same "peak" I use "add fx/plugin" "Basic" and then Peak.. is that ok?

Jul 20, 2005, 06:42 AM	Thread Starter #17
marinotomas DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	wwooww, that worked.. great...Now im gonna try different latency settings..

Jul 20, 2005, 06:44 AM	#18
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Glad it is working. At some point you may want to check out LeMury's ProFX plugins, as they are easier to work with (you do not have to deal with kxmixer at all).