Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard

Tril · Jun 25, 2007, 12:34 PM

I'll see about improving the latency in XP and Vista.

On Vista, DirectSound is now built on top of WASAPI. I think that it's possible to use WASAPI directly and get better latency. I have to look at that possibility.

Socio · Jun 25, 2007, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tril

I'll see about improving the latency in XP and Vista.

On Vista, DirectSound is now built on top of WASAPI. I think that it's possible to use WASAPI directly and get better latency. I have to look at that possibility.

Awesome!

The-Paper-Route · Jun 29, 2007, 09:09 PM

In advanced settings would there be any problems if i put it realtime ?

skinnie · Aug 17, 2007, 09:35 AM

Guys I am having a strange problem,after about 30/40minutes of audio playing trhough velbac the sound begins to distort...
I don't know if the problem is the card or the program,as I only use it with velbac.
I am running xp pro sp2 with all updates tried both official and youp pax drivers..and it is the same thing.
CAn it be the card that is running too hot?I saw somewhere that this cards "need" an heatsink...
thanks

ROBSCIX · Aug 17, 2007, 05:05 PM

@Skinnie, I don't think that is the issue because your card would have this issue with Velbac or not. It just could be a glitch with that certain game. I notice some games will do this if ASIO is set to high and some do it if set to low. Some times you can just pause the game and stop playback of Velbac and restart it if the issue gets bad....Hope these little tips help..

GeneralClaymore · Sep 3, 2007, 09:58 PM

I finally got it to work right in vista, on a diffent mobo tho. Works nice til the sound stops and have to reboot . or it crash =/. Gonna just wait for the newer one to come out . before I mess with it again.

Tril · Sep 15, 2007, 06:59 AM

The new version is almost done. There does not seem to be any major bug. I finally got myself Vista. I'm going to install it soon and test the new version on it to make sure it works reliably. Right now, it seems to work fine on Windows XP.

Sorry for the wait. I was not in the mood to program these past few months. During my last school semester, I worked almost full time on a semester project that involved complex programming in a language I did not know before starting the project. That was an interesting and frustrating experience. That was too much programming and I got "saturated". It took me a while to feel like restarting programming again in my free time.

Tril · Sep 21, 2007, 04:31 AM

I released a new version. Go to the webpage shown in the first post to download it.

In this version :

I got rid of all MFC code (it's the code for the GUI) and used wxWidgets instead. It's a move to move toward open source. I can now compile the code without having MFC which is not free.
I fixed a few small bugs. Sorry if I can't be more precise, I did not take note of every changes.
I added Winamp output plugins support.

To use Winamp output plugin :

Copy the file nscrt.dll from the Winamp folder to the Velbac folder (only necessary for some Winamp plugins).
Copy the output plugins you wish to use to the plugins folder inside the Velbac folder.
A maximum of 5 plugins located in the plugins folder can be recognized at a time.

I added that support to try to improve the output latency by using output plugins written by better programmers than me. I took some latency measurements on my pc. Here's what I got with an ASIO latency set at 4 ms :

DirectSound (my code) = 57 ms
Plugin : kernel streaming v3.62 = 47 ms
Plugin : kernel streaming v2.5 = 7 ms

The kernel streaming plugin v2.5 gives a very low latency but it can sometimes/often produce crackling sounds.

GeneralClaymore · Sep 21, 2007, 09:46 PM

great job, i think i keep the A2zs in and use the program for a bit longer since i haven had any problems with the new ver yet.

GeneralClaymore · Sep 29, 2007, 05:58 AM

some odd reason I lose my center where it plays out all but the center, odd thing it only happens with certain games . and i tried all of the settings. i even tested it in both Xp and vista.i'll see if i get that problem with the older ver.

edit: i went to try the old ver and the download link doesnt work any more.

Tril · Sep 29, 2007, 07:41 PM

I fixed the link to the old version. The Creative drivers give the possibility to transfer the audio that was sent to the card back to the cpu. I'm only using what the drivers gives. Do you know if those games really output a 5.1 channel output. Maybe they only output 4 or 4.1 channels. If that's the case, I could add an option to mix the front left and front right channels together to send them to the center channel.

GeneralClaymore · Sep 30, 2007, 05:56 AM

They out put 5.1 depending on what you have set in the windows audio settings. i was able to get most of the games in xp that i had that problem with to do center again. i thinking it could be a2zs drivers toying with me.

edit: yep its the drivers for the A2zs. If i Dont use openal in Quake 4 it will work right. for Doom3 if i turn off Eax it sound right. for UT2k4 if I use 3d audio center works right(vista). for Xp I fiqure out most of the problems.

AncientMike · Oct 13, 2007, 04:49 PM

I have a couple questions if I may...

If I use Velbac with an Audigy2 or X-fi & the Sondigo Inferno as the output source will it take the load off the host CPU & use the X-fi as a host processor?I don't mean just for EAX 3/4/5 im talking for all hardware 2D/3D sound sources.Or am I just expecting a miracle

or am I now taxing both?

Secondly,I was just about ready to giveup on this program because every game I threw at it gave me a BSOD "IRQ Less Than Equal" on BF2/BF2142/Stalker/Dirt the only game that ran was Two Worlds & of course all software based games ran fine like DOD:source.So I decided to try the KX drivers & now all said games work fine but have some glitches here & there.The only problem with the KX drivers is now im limited to EAX 3 only?Sup with that?Creatives SBAX_WBUP2_LB_2_09_0016.exe for my Audigy 2ZS just give me the BSOD.

Anyways...I have been waiting years for a program like this, nicely done!

GeneralClaymore · Oct 14, 2007, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AncientMike

I have a couple questions if I may...

If I use Velbac with an Audigy2 or X-fi & the Sondigo Inferno as the output source will it take the load off the host CPU & use the X-fi as a host processor?I don't mean just for EAX 3/4/5 im talking for all hardware 2D/3D sound sources.Or am I just expecting a miracle

or am I now taxing both?

Secondly,I was just about ready to giveup on this program because every game I threw at it gave me a BSOD "IRQ Less Than Equal" on BF2/BF2142/Stalker/Dirt the only game that ran was Two Worlds & of course all software based games ran fine like DOD:source.So I decided to try the KX drivers & now all said games work fine but have some glitches here & there.The only problem with the KX drivers is now im limited to EAX 3 only?Sup with that?Creatives SBAX_WBUP2_LB_2_09_0016.exe for my Audigy 2ZS just give me the BSOD.

Anyways...I have been waiting years for a program like this, nicely done!

yea the only time i got those bsod was when i was in my XP boot when it was installed. but i didnt get them in vista.

Tril · Oct 14, 2007, 05:16 AM

The audio gets to the X-Fi card, then Velbac retrieves it and sends it to the other soundcard. The audio has to move between the system memory and a soundcard three times. That's two times more than if you were to use a single card.

I'm not entirely sure but I think that BSOD only happens with games using OpenAL. I don't know why.

diegovarela · Sep 19, 2009, 06:58 AM

Hello
I'm trying to convey sound from an Audigy 2zs to a Ht Omega Claro Plus but speaker configuration in 5.1 turns out to be defective and I don't get any sound from the Audigy DVD-adio player either. How can I fix this?

ROBSCIX · Sep 19, 2009, 07:46 PM

What do you mean defective? In which way?

I am one of the original testers for this applciation and my test setup was very similar to what your using.
I had a AUdigy 2 and a X-Meridian 7.1 which uses the same chipset as your claro..

Tell me about your settings...

diegovarela · Sep 20, 2009, 12:41 AM

After some tweaking I overcame the defective sound. It works better with a speaker set up of 2 in Velbac, but I get no sound from the DVD-Audio output with different configurations i've tried so far.
My current settings in Velbac are:
Asio Driver: Creative Asio
Matrix preset: Creative drivers (other than X-fi)
Speaker set up: 2
Downmix: enabled
Audio renderer 1: Direct sound
Output device 1 HTO Claro

ROBSCIX · Sep 20, 2009, 02:23 AM

DID you try ASIO Audio renderer?

diegovarela · Sep 20, 2009, 09:44 PM

The only audio renderers I have in Velbac are direct sound and wave out. How do I get Asio audio renderer and how do I put it into Velbac?

ROBSCIX · Sep 20, 2009, 09:56 PM

Wait, Give me a bit to run some tests and I will get back to you.

diegovarela · Sep 21, 2009, 02:11 PM

what's going on, anything wrong?

erduk · Apr 19, 2012, 11:32 AM

hey, i just want to say this program is great and thanks for making it. but i am having a weird issue.

its like its wired wrong digitally lol. my center channel is outputting rear left channel, and my sub is outputting rear right channel etc...

my settings are as follows:
im using a XFI titanium with PAX drivers to 5870 hdmi for 7.1... i made 7.1 headphones that plug into the 3.5 mm ports and their channels are good while the 7.1 through my receiver isn't.
asio driver- creative aisio
matrix preset - KX drivers (only one that works for some reason, maybe this is the issue?)
audio renderer 1 - directsound
output device 1 - amd high def audio
downmix to speaker setup -disabled

what should i try? any help would be great

Aug 17, 2007, 09:35 AM	#34
skinnie DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 77 Rep Power: 0	Guys I am having a strange problem,after about 30/40minutes of audio playing trhough velbac the sound begins to distort... I don't know if the problem is the card or the program,as I only use it with velbac. I am running xp pro sp2 with all updates tried both official and youp pax drivers..and it is the same thing. CAn it be the card that is running too hot?I saw somewhere that this cards "need" an heatsink... thanks __________________ DFI NF2 Ultra+Athlon XP-Mobile 2600+ [SP97] 2x512 Mushkin Redline Xp4000 [OCZ XTC Cooler] Albatron 6800GT@Ultra 256mb DDR3 [VF900CU] Terratec Aureon Space 7.1@Prodigy 7.1 Audigy 2 ZS Logitech X-530 5.1 Sennheiser HD201

Sep 3, 2007, 09:58 PM	#36
GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 434 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I finally got it to work right in vista, on a diffent mobo tho. Works nice til the sound stops and have to reboot . or it crash =/. Gonna just wait for the newer one to come out . before I mess with it again. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LT1124ACN+ 2x LT1115 > Matrix M-Stage V2 /w 2x LME49710NA> DT880 pro 250ohm

Sep 21, 2007, 04:31 AM	Thread Starter #38
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,676 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	I released a new version. Go to the webpage shown in the first post to download it. In this version : I got rid of all MFC code (it's the code for the GUI) and used wxWidgets instead. It's a move to move toward open source. I can now compile the code without having MFC which is not free. I fixed a few small bugs. Sorry if I can't be more precise, I did not take note of every changes. I added Winamp output plugins support. To use Winamp output plugin : Copy the file nscrt.dll from the Winamp folder to the Velbac folder (only necessary for some Winamp plugins). Copy the output plugins you wish to use to the plugins folder inside the Velbac folder. A maximum of 5 plugins located in the plugins folder can be recognized at a time. I added that support to try to improve the output latency by using output plugins written by better programmers than me. I took some latency measurements on my pc. Here's what I got with an ASIO latency set at 4 ms : DirectSound (my code) = 57 ms Plugin : kernel streaming v3.62 = 47 ms Plugin : kernel streaming v2.5 = 7 ms The kernel streaming plugin v2.5 gives a very low latency but it can sometimes/often produce crackling sounds. Last edited by Tril; Sep 21, 2007 at 04:49 AM.

Sep 21, 2007, 09:46 PM	#39
GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 434 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	great job, i think i keep the A2zs in and use the program for a bit longer since i haven had any problems with the new ver yet. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LT1124ACN+ 2x LT1115 > Matrix M-Stage V2 /w 2x LME49710NA> DT880 pro 250ohm

Sep 29, 2007, 05:58 AM	#40
GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 434 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	some odd reason I lose my center where it plays out all but the center, odd thing it only happens with certain games . and i tried all of the settings. i even tested it in both Xp and vista.i'll see if i get that problem with the older ver. edit: i went to try the old ver and the download link doesnt work any more. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LT1124ACN+ 2x LT1115 > Matrix M-Stage V2 /w 2x LME49710NA> DT880 pro 250ohm Last edited by GeneralClaymore; Sep 29, 2007 at 06:16 AM.

Jun 25, 2007, 12:34 PM	Thread Starter #31
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,676 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	I'll see about improving the latency in XP and Vista. On Vista, DirectSound is now built on top of WASAPI. I think that it's possible to use WASAPI directly and get better latency. I have to look at that possibility.

Jun 29, 2007, 09:09 PM	#33
The-Paper-Route DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	In advanced settings would there be any problems if i put it realtime ?

Aug 17, 2007, 05:05 PM	#35
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	@Skinnie, I don't think that is the issue because your card would have this issue with Velbac or not. It just could be a glitch with that certain game. I notice some games will do this if ASIO is set to high and some do it if set to low. Some times you can just pause the game and stop playback of Velbac and restart it if the issue gets bad....Hope these little tips help..

Sep 15, 2007, 06:59 AM	Thread Starter #37
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,676 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	The new version is almost done. There does not seem to be any major bug. I finally got myself Vista. I'm going to install it soon and test the new version on it to make sure it works reliably. Right now, it seems to work fine on Windows XP. Sorry for the wait. I was not in the mood to program these past few months. During my last school semester, I worked almost full time on a semester project that involved complex programming in a language I did not know before starting the project. That was an interesting and frustrating experience. That was too much programming and I got "saturated". It took me a while to feel like restarting programming again in my free time.

Sep 29, 2007, 07:41 PM	Thread Starter #41
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,676 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	I fixed the link to the old version. The Creative drivers give the possibility to transfer the audio that was sent to the card back to the cpu. I'm only using what the drivers gives. Do you know if those games really output a 5.1 channel output. Maybe they only output 4 or 4.1 channels. If that's the case, I could add an option to mix the front left and front right channels together to send them to the center channel.

Sep 30, 2007, 05:56 AM	#42
GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 434 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	They out put 5.1 depending on what you have set in the windows audio settings. i was able to get most of the games in xp that i had that problem with to do center again. i thinking it could be a2zs drivers toying with me. edit: yep its the drivers for the A2zs. If i Dont use openal in Quake 4 it will work right. for Doom3 if i turn off Eax it sound right. for UT2k4 if I use 3d audio center works right(vista). for Xp I fiqure out most of the problems. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LT1124ACN+ 2x LT1115 > Matrix M-Stage V2 /w 2x LME49710NA> DT880 pro 250ohm Last edited by GeneralClaymore; Oct 1, 2007 at 12:31 AM. Reason: update

Oct 13, 2007, 04:49 PM	#43
AncientMike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I have a couple questions if I may... If I use Velbac with an Audigy2 or X-fi & the Sondigo Inferno as the output source will it take the load off the host CPU & use the X-fi as a host processor?I don't mean just for EAX 3/4/5 im talking for all hardware 2D/3D sound sources.Or am I just expecting a miracle or am I now taxing both? Secondly,I was just about ready to giveup on this program because every game I threw at it gave me a BSOD "IRQ Less Than Equal" on BF2/BF2142/Stalker/Dirt the only game that ran was Two Worlds & of course all software based games ran fine like DOD:source.So I decided to try the KX drivers & now all said games work fine but have some glitches here & there.The only problem with the KX drivers is now im limited to EAX 3 only?Sup with that?Creatives SBAX_WBUP2_LB_2_09_0016.exe for my Audigy 2ZS just give me the BSOD. Anyways...I have been waiting years for a program like this, nicely done!

Oct 14, 2007, 05:16 AM	Thread Starter #45
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,676 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	The audio gets to the X-Fi card, then Velbac retrieves it and sends it to the other soundcard. The audio has to move between the system memory and a soundcard three times. That's two times more than if you were to use a single card. I'm not entirely sure but I think that BSOD only happens with games using OpenAL. I don't know why.

Sep 19, 2009, 06:58 AM	#46
diegovarela DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard Hello I'm trying to convey sound from an Audigy 2zs to a Ht Omega Claro Plus but speaker configuration in 5.1 turns out to be defective and I don't get any sound from the Audigy DVD-adio player either. How can I fix this?

Sep 19, 2009, 07:46 PM	#47
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Re: Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard What do you mean defective? In which way? I am one of the original testers for this applciation and my test setup was very similar to what your using. I had a AUdigy 2 and a X-Meridian 7.1 which uses the same chipset as your claro.. Tell me about your settings...

Sep 20, 2009, 12:41 AM	#48
diegovarela DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard After some tweaking I overcame the defective sound. It works better with a speaker set up of 2 in Velbac, but I get no sound from the DVD-Audio output with different configurations i've tried so far. My current settings in Velbac are: Asio Driver: Creative Asio Matrix preset: Creative drivers (other than X-fi) Speaker set up: 2 Downmix: enabled Audio renderer 1: Direct sound Output device 1 HTO Claro

Sep 20, 2009, 02:23 AM	#49
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Re: Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard DID you try ASIO Audio renderer?

Sep 20, 2009, 09:44 PM	#50
diegovarela DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard The only audio renderers I have in Velbac are direct sound and wave out. How do I get Asio audio renderer and how do I put it into Velbac?

Sep 20, 2009, 09:56 PM	#51
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Re: Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard Wait, Give me a bit to run some tests and I will get back to you.

Sep 21, 2009, 02:11 PM	#52
diegovarela DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard what's going on, anything wrong?

Apr 19, 2012, 11:32 AM	#53
erduk HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Re: Velbac - Sends audio from a Creative soundcard to another soundcard hey, i just want to say this program is great and thanks for making it. but i am having a weird issue. its like its wired wrong digitally lol. my center channel is outputting rear left channel, and my sub is outputting rear right channel etc... my settings are as follows: im using a XFI titanium with PAX drivers to 5870 hdmi for 7.1... i made 7.1 headphones that plug into the 3.5 mm ports and their channels are good while the 7.1 through my receiver isn't. asio driver- creative aisio matrix preset - KX drivers (only one that works for some reason, maybe this is the issue?) audio renderer 1 - directsound output device 1 - amd high def audio downmix to speaker setup -disabled what should i try? any help would be great