[HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN

Maddogg6 · Jan 5, 2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuja

yes its working, I used audacity to check. The problem is the fact that im not able to set the inputs in playback as they are not available.

Ok - then you are forced to use software in order to do what you expect. Its obvious the driver does not allow it on its own.

Im guessing its from a DD licensing thing for your specific card model/driver version... ?? Another satisfied sound blaster customer

. I take it the 'DD' labels on the box are from the software DVD player (that comes with the card) license only (their driver descriptions I linked to hinted to this), and seems they were forced into (or chose to) dis-allowing SPDIF hardware monitoring all together.

So it seems your out of luck, unless a modded driver is available/capable.

Nuja · Jan 5, 2009, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

Ok - then you are forced to use software in order to do what you expect. Its obvious the driver does not allow it on its own.

Im guessing its from a DD licensing thing for your specific card model/driver version... ?? Another satisfied sound blaster customer

. I take it the 'DD' labels on the box are from the software DVD player (that comes with the card) license only (their driver descriptions I linked to hinted to this), and seems they were forced into (or chose to) dis-allowing SPDIF hardware monitoring all together.

So it seems your out of luck, unless a modded driver is available/capable.

I can understand for SPDIF-in, but what about line-in and mic ? I cant monitor them too, I can give up on SPDIF playback in the worst case but I cant for line-in/mic playback.

edit: and even if the line-in is working when I use an apps, its not working with the SPDIF, I guess it needs a pack like for other XFI. I still need to be able to hear the input (make them appear in playback)

Maddogg6 · Jan 5, 2009, 09:40 PM

Ok heres the obvious - in win mixer, you clicked on Options/Properties - And enabled all 'Playback' volume controls - I assumed this was already done, but maybe a huge oversite...??

Nuja · Jan 5, 2009, 09:42 PM

In the picture I posted you can see all the option available (everything usable is in the picture)

edit:

and:

Maddogg6 · Jan 5, 2009, 09:53 PM

But, its not showing the options/properties page - where you choose to see Recording or Playback volume controls - and select which volume controls will be shown in the win mixer.

But, I did assume you would have seen them when switching between playback and recording modes of the win mixer... but who knows ?? its my last/only assumption made on my part.

Notice - I dont have any digital inputs either - I use the drivers mixer for all that, not win mixer. Cuz, win mixer sux.

Nuja · Jan 5, 2009, 09:59 PM

that is where I choose which one I display in windows mixer (between playback and record).

I use windows mixer as I have no choice because creative didnt make a creative mixer for this card :/

edit: as u can see in your picture u got mic and line in in playback...but i dont (look my picture) that is what is missing.

Maddogg6 · Jan 5, 2009, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuja

In the picture I posted you can see all the option available (everything usable is in the picture)

edit:

and:

Ok - yup, you did everything you can - tseem he driver does not allow what you want.

What driver did you install for your card? Are there others? Are you certain you insytalled all the apps for your card - isnt there some console for the XFI's that put them into various modes - maybe thats not installed - and adds another mixer...??

Its weird CL dropped having their own mixer like my A2 ZS had. But OK, and I didnt even use driver that long enough to know for certain my SPDIF inputs where there or not.

Seems windows XP mixer doesn't support digital inputs directly. Again, maybe from DRM/RIAA/MPSS problems that vista fixed. So possibly it works in Vista with their new driver..?? Line in and Mic ins missing is kinda weird too - is it possibly a fake XFi (I heard of phone cards before, maybe you got one??) Or is it an OEM by chance?

Nuja · Jan 5, 2009, 10:04 PM

its an OEM card from a famous french store, i dont think its a fake. i tried all available driver (as before I had crackle problem), I even tried the december 2008 driver. I dont care about SPDIF for now, but i would like to make Line-in and Mic appear in the playback

Maddogg6 · Jan 5, 2009, 10:41 PM

Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 70SB073A00000 - Turbo charge your gaming experience with Xtreme Fidelity® audio!
According to their user manual - there is supposed to be an 'audio console' that gives another mixer - and shows Line In and Mic in volume controls. ??

It may be a separate d/l from the driver. Do you have any software relating to the XFi in your start menu??

Nuja · Jan 5, 2009, 10:57 PM

I have the audio console but there is no mixer for inputs in this. I dont have a XFI software in my start menu. Creative driver package = driver + audio console.

Maddogg6 · Jan 6, 2009, 12:06 AM

can you post screen shots of the audio console?

Edit: Its supposed to look like this....

Perhaps they call it 'entertainment mode'.

If you don't have that, its seems something didnt install properly... or is not found in the start menu under XFI - but maybe 'Creative Labs' or something like 'Sound Blaster'.

Also - the product description for the card I link to... doesnt show an 'optical' input, only optical output - and the 'digital input is shared with line in too.

Nuja · Jan 6, 2009, 08:45 AM

Hi,
my audio console is on bottom right:

There is no xfi/creative in start menu. The driver package only install driver and audio console. I guess its normal that I dont have the thing from your picture. I would be nice if someone with the same card under xp could confirm.

creative site: http://us.creative.com/products/prod...ct=16770&nav=1

Quote:

Technical Specifications
Playback: 24-Bit/96kHz up to 7.1
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >100dB (20kHz Low-pass filter, A-Weighted)
Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise at 1kHz: <0.007% (20kHz Low-pass filter)
Recording: 24-bit/96kHz

X-Fi Technology
X-Fi Crystalizer
X-Fi CMSS-3D Virtual
X-Fi CMSS-3D Headphone

Connectivity
Line in / Microphone in (shared 1/8" mini jack)
Speaker out (4x 1/8" mini jacks)
Optical out (TOSLINK)*
Optical in (TOSLINK)
Intel HD Audio Compatible Front Panel Header (2x5pin)
* Digital Out supports stereo SPDIF out and pass through of multichannel DVD sound

mike2h · Jan 6, 2009, 03:07 PM

there are 2 toslink jacks on the card itself right? & that driver vers is way out of date. could be you problem right there.
maddog, either communication is wrong or that card u showed is not what he has cause there is definetly no optical on it. part of the problem could be naming, i noticed on his last pic that there were french titles in it. u from france or canada nuja?
the reason t oknow is that sometimes they will have different naming nomeclature in different countries. wich means different feature sets. dont know if that is what is going on since obviously you have toslink as u said you plugged the optical cable into back of card.

Nuja · Jan 6, 2009, 03:59 PM

yes I did plug it. I have the XFI Extreme Audio PCI-Express (worst card ever i think), Im from France. I used the last driver (december 2008).

Maddogg6 · Jan 6, 2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike2h

there are 2 toslink jacks on the card itself right? & that driver vers is way out of date. could be you problem right there.
maddog, either communication is wrong or that card u showed is not what he has cause there is definetly no optical on it. part of the problem could be naming, i noticed on his last pic that there were french titles in it. u from france or canada nuja?
the reason t oknow is that sometimes they will have different naming nomeclature in different countries. wich means different feature sets. dont know if that is what is going on since obviously you have toslink as u said you plugged the optical cable into back of card.

Yes, Cl offers more than 1 'XFI Extreme Audio' - the one I found was a half height card - so it wasnt the same card.
I dunno - seems nuja is out of luck... maybe its because its an OEM??

Nuja · Jan 6, 2009, 04:45 PM

there are XFI Extreme Audio PCI and XFI Extreme Audio PCI-Express which are not the same card and dont use the same driver. I got the PCI Express one.

Robert McClelland · Jan 6, 2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuja

there are XFI Extreme Audio PCI and XFI Extreme Audio PCI-Express which are not the same card and dont use the same driver. I got the PCI Express one.

Did my fix help?

Nuja · Jan 7, 2009, 01:30 AM

in dxdiag it says voice plyback: yes, but in the mixer i dont see the inputs and I tried to see if I could hear them but I could not.

Robert McClelland · Jan 7, 2009, 03:10 AM

I look into inf more pci e is new to me to mod might take me more time hehe.

Nuja · Jan 7, 2009, 09:45 AM

oki, thank you for you hard work, I reallye apreciate it, Im sure it will be usefull to a lot of people ^^

Nuja · Jan 11, 2009, 10:18 PM

Hi, I finaly got the driver set coming with the soundcard (XFI Extreme PCI-express), spdif is working ! I'll upload the set and post the link here.

Nuja · Jan 12, 2009, 12:21 AM

Back, upload finished: http://nuja.free.fr/SBXAudioPCIe.rar
Its the XFI Extreme Audio PCI-Express driver set coming with the OEM version of the soundcard for xp 'maybe vista: dont know dont have vista).

Jan 5, 2009, 09:40 PM	#33
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Re: [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN Ok heres the obvious - in win mixer, you clicked on Options/Properties - And enabled all 'Playback' volume controls - I assumed this was already done, but maybe a huge oversite...??

Jan 5, 2009, 09:42 PM	Thread Starter #34
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN In the picture I posted you can see all the option available (everything usable is in the picture) edit: and: Last edited by Nuja; Jan 5, 2009 at 09:50 PM.

Jan 5, 2009, 09:53 PM	#35
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Re: [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN But, its not showing the options/properties page - where you choose to see Recording or Playback volume controls - and select which volume controls will be shown in the win mixer. But, I did assume you would have seen them when switching between playback and recording modes of the win mixer... but who knows ?? its my last/only assumption made on my part. Notice - I dont have any digital inputs either - I use the drivers mixer for all that, not win mixer. Cuz, win mixer sux.

Jan 5, 2009, 09:59 PM	Thread Starter #36
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN that is where I choose which one I display in windows mixer (between playback and record). I use windows mixer as I have no choice because creative didnt make a creative mixer for this card :/ edit: as u can see in your picture u got mic and line in in playback...but i dont (look my picture) that is what is missing.

Jan 5, 2009, 10:04 PM	Thread Starter #38
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN its an OEM card from a famous french store, i dont think its a fake. i tried all available driver (as before I had crackle problem), I even tried the december 2008 driver. I dont care about SPDIF for now, but i would like to make Line-in and Mic appear in the playback

Jan 5, 2009, 10:41 PM	#39
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Re: [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 70SB073A00000 - Turbo charge your gaming experience with Xtreme Fidelity® audio! According to their user manual - there is supposed to be an 'audio console' that gives another mixer - and shows Line In and Mic in volume controls. ?? It may be a separate d/l from the driver. Do you have any software relating to the XFi in your start menu??

Jan 5, 2009, 10:57 PM	Thread Starter #40
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN I have the audio console but there is no mixer for inputs in this. I dont have a XFI software in my start menu. Creative driver package = driver + audio console.

Jan 6, 2009, 12:06 AM	#41
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Re: [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN can you post screen shots of the audio console? Edit: Its supposed to look like this.... Perhaps they call it 'entertainment mode'. If you don't have that, its seems something didnt install properly... or is not found in the start menu under XFI - but maybe 'Creative Labs' or something like 'Sound Blaster'. Also - the product description for the card I link to... doesnt show an 'optical' input, only optical output - and the 'digital input is shared with line in too. Last edited by Maddogg6; Jan 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM.

Jan 6, 2009, 03:07 PM	#43
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	Re: [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN there are 2 toslink jacks on the card itself right? & that driver vers is way out of date. could be you problem right there. maddog, either communication is wrong or that card u showed is not what he has cause there is definetly no optical on it. part of the problem could be naming, i noticed on his last pic that there were french titles in it. u from france or canada nuja? the reason t oknow is that sometimes they will have different naming nomeclature in different countries. wich means different feature sets. dont know if that is what is going on since obviously you have toslink as u said you plugged the optical cable into back of card. __________________ Last edited by mike2h; Jan 6, 2009 at 03:15 PM.

Jan 6, 2009, 03:59 PM	Thread Starter #44
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN yes I did plug it. I have the XFI Extreme Audio PCI-Express (worst card ever i think), Im from France. I used the last driver (december 2008).

Jan 6, 2009, 04:45 PM	Thread Starter #46
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN there are XFI Extreme Audio PCI and XFI Extreme Audio PCI-Express which are not the same card and dont use the same driver. I got the PCI Express one.

Jan 7, 2009, 01:30 AM	Thread Starter #48
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN in dxdiag it says voice plyback: yes, but in the mixer i dont see the inputs and I tried to see if I could hear them but I could not.

Jan 7, 2009, 03:10 AM	#49
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Somewhere in Wood County Ohio Same Town :) Posts: 10,613 Rep Power: 196 System Specs	Re: [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN I look into inf more pci e is new to me to mod might take me more time hehe. __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun" http://www.speedtest.net/result/1949536385.png

Jan 7, 2009, 09:45 AM	Thread Starter #50
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN oki, thank you for you hard work, I reallye apreciate it, Im sure it will be usefull to a lot of people ^^

Jan 11, 2009, 10:18 PM	Thread Starter #51
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN Hi, I finaly got the driver set coming with the soundcard (XFI Extreme PCI-express), spdif is working ! I'll upload the set and post the link here.

Jan 12, 2009, 12:21 AM	Thread Starter #52
Nuja DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re : [HELP] Problem of optical/SPDIF IN Back, upload finished: http://nuja.free.fr/SBXAudioPCIe.rar Its the XFI Extreme Audio PCI-Express driver set coming with the OEM version of the soundcard for xp 'maybe vista: dont know dont have vista).