IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict

skychimp · Sep 13, 2009, 09:30 PM

Hi,

I own an m-6873H from Gateway whitch has a suppacheapette crappy soundcard. It's an idt card whitch has one in, one out. No "what you hear" recording, and whitch is "illogic" to ASIO system. Crappy latency and all. :P I used to get asio to work it OUNCE but i never got why and i dont quite belive in getting it back to work again with onlu luck :P

So i bought a quite nice soundcard from ebay. It's an intel based soundcard called "multichannel usb audio device". It's a small usb blue box with optical in and out (what the X uses such wires by the way lol) 3 outs, 2 ins. It Has "what you hear" recording capacity, useable with ASIO, and i quite like it, and at the price i paid it!!.....

But the big chubby fat morbidly obese trouble comes after first reboot.

With usual desktop comupters, you can have as many soundcards as you want, without any conflict or problems. Go for a sblive with an x-fi aside and that onboard realtek card, no problem. Chose the outs you want and have fun, nothing's gon a bash your dreams away.

But when it comes to idt and to that multichannel audio usb device, that's a whole other story.

See, both uses a third party software to controll the soundcard with eq, voice removal, you-know-wat-i-am-talkin-about. But one canot load at boot if the other is loaded too.

If i boot with the idt enabled in device manager, the usb osundcard's control interface will not ever want to load at all. Click it as many times as you want it wil not load. Whitch forces me to reboot with idt disabled. Whitch kills my laptop speakers so that i have to reboot if i want to get back to headphones without the usbsoundcard plugged and travel my laptopp around.

The software "soundcard switch" whitch switches between soundcards so one or another becomes the one windows uses as primary.... the software doesnt resolve anything. Yet it might become useful later.. When it will work...

So yah. What i want to achieve here is to get both soundcards and both their control interface to load at boot (and that if i plug the usb soundcard after boot, it loads correctly with its interface too without needing to reboot)

I would realy appreciate. And i belive that anyone who hates those idt crappy soundcards would also love to be able to use an usb soundcard that way too

I am already very thankful.

And as soon as this will be solved, my rockstation will blast speakers line it should

Cya

Matt

GigaWatt · Sep 13, 2009, 09:58 PM

look, i don't know much about onboard sound cards (i have a realtek one on my desktop PC, no notebooks or nothing), but i also own a Lexicon Omega USB connected semi-professional recording sound card, and i keep the onboard one disabled all the time, cuz sooner or later, Windows will have some sort of a conflict with the onboard one, or the USB one... so having one (and only one) sound card is playing it safe, unless of course you have 2 or more USB connected sound cards and want to switch between them, which is ok, since Windows normally doesn't make lot's of conflicts with USB connected devices... in other case (like for example yours, an onboard one with a USB connected one) you're gonna run into problems with Windows sooner or later (in your case, right away :S)...

my advice, just disable the onboard one (they are no good anyway, you can't compare a notebook's onboard card even with a PC onboard card) and use the USB connected one all the time, or connect the USB one after the notebook bots up Windows...

skychimp · Sep 14, 2009, 12:36 AM

Indeeeeeed.

I canot quite afford sacrificing the useability of my system's speakers as the usb soundcard is more an accessory that i could lose or forget to carry around. A good adventage is also having windows's beeps to play on the main soundcard and the proaudio softwares to bash around through the asio selected soundcard, that will never play any windows's sounds whitch will be played with the onboard card so it keeps me tuned about possible allerts. Inside most audio softwares i use i can chose whitch soundcard to use so this isnt any problem theoricaly... But the usb soundcard doesnt work even if it is present when its configuration application isnt loaded. Same goes for the IDT one...

Yet i don't get it cause my desktop has both nvidia onboard card program and x-fi's program loaded together and both works pretty.

Mayby both applications (idt audio and multichannel usb audio device) loads individualy upon a registry value only if the other soundcard isnt present....

All i know for sure is that windows sees both cards but that the usb soundcard's program doesnt load and is not even visible in task manager...

GigaWatt · Sep 14, 2009, 04:05 AM

you can root all the alert sounds to come out of the USB connected one... you have to have a set of speakers for the sound card of course, cuz the USB one doesn't come with speakers onboard... LOL

... in that case, you would have to carry the USB connected one with you all the time, which is kind of a drag (i wouldn't mind it, but obviously you would), so i guess we can rule this one out... :S

have you tried using any other versions of the driver for the onboard sound card...? maybe that can clear up the problem... oh, almost forgot, what OS are you running on that thing...?

skychimp · Sep 15, 2009, 02:20 AM

Working on xp x86

(we all carry around those laptop computers, sometimes even mouse cables gets in the way XD ) :P (at least they reload as soon as replugged.. :S )

http://download.cnet.com/USB-Multi-C..._4-165006.html

http://download.cnet.com/IDT-High-De...html?tag=mncol

So, those are both conflicting drivers...

GigaWatt · Sep 15, 2009, 03:55 AM

have you tried manually installing the drivers...?

skychimp · Sep 15, 2009, 11:52 AM

Both drivers are installed but only one card's 3drparty mixer application will load at a time *but* before first reboot. Before the first reboot, both cards's softwares will be loaded and both soundcards will worl. Then, after a reboot, idt will load by default or if disabled. The usb card will load *sometimes* only if idt is disabled, after this told first reboot and after. That's the way it happened here.

GigaWatt · Sep 15, 2009, 12:56 PM

no, what i meant was, have you tried installing the drivers and ONLY the drivers, not the automated installation package... cuz in my opinion, this has something to do with the software that each of those cards use (or one of them)... in any case, if one of devices software is the issue, you can fix it by manually installing them... first try installing only one of them manually and see if it makes any kind of a conflict... if there is none, leave it as it is... if there is still a conflict between the two devices, try installing them both manually...

you can install them manually by extracting the files from the installer (if everything is packed within the installer)... if the driver files are separated in folders, and the exe file just grabs whatever file it needs, just point the Windows manual driver installer in some of those directories, one of them is bound to have the appropriate drives in it...

if you do this, in most cases you will probably loose some of the controls and functions that that particular card may have, but i would say it's a great trade-off if you can get them both working...

Sep 13, 2009, 09:30 PM	#1
skychimp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 15	IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict Hi, I own an m-6873H from Gateway whitch has a suppacheapette crappy soundcard. It's an idt card whitch has one in, one out. No "what you hear" recording, and whitch is "illogic" to ASIO system. Crappy latency and all. :P I used to get asio to work it OUNCE but i never got why and i dont quite belive in getting it back to work again with onlu luck :P So i bought a quite nice soundcard from ebay. It's an intel based soundcard called "multichannel usb audio device". It's a small usb blue box with optical in and out (what the X uses such wires by the way lol) 3 outs, 2 ins. It Has "what you hear" recording capacity, useable with ASIO, and i quite like it, and at the price i paid it!!..... But the big chubby fat morbidly obese trouble comes after first reboot. With usual desktop comupters, you can have as many soundcards as you want, without any conflict or problems. Go for a sblive with an x-fi aside and that onboard realtek card, no problem. Chose the outs you want and have fun, nothing's gon a bash your dreams away. But when it comes to idt and to that multichannel audio usb device, that's a whole other story. See, both uses a third party software to controll the soundcard with eq, voice removal, you-know-wat-i-am-talkin-about. But one canot load at boot if the other is loaded too. If i boot with the idt enabled in device manager, the usb osundcard's control interface will not ever want to load at all. Click it as many times as you want it wil not load. Whitch forces me to reboot with idt disabled. Whitch kills my laptop speakers so that i have to reboot if i want to get back to headphones without the usbsoundcard plugged and travel my laptopp around. The software "soundcard switch" whitch switches between soundcards so one or another becomes the one windows uses as primary.... the software doesnt resolve anything. Yet it might become useful later.. When it will work... So yah. What i want to achieve here is to get both soundcards and both their control interface to load at boot (and that if i plug the usb soundcard after boot, it loads correctly with its interface too without needing to reboot) I would realy appreciate. And i belive that anyone who hates those idt crappy soundcards would also love to be able to use an usb soundcard that way too I am already very thankful. And as soon as this will be solved, my rockstation will blast speakers line it should Cya Matt

Sep 13, 2009, 09:58 PM	#2
GigaWatt Now In Color :D Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonia, Skopje Posts: 2,116 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Re: IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict look, i don't know much about onboard sound cards (i have a realtek one on my desktop PC, no notebooks or nothing), but i also own a Lexicon Omega USB connected semi-professional recording sound card, and i keep the onboard one disabled all the time, cuz sooner or later, Windows will have some sort of a conflict with the onboard one, or the USB one... so having one (and only one) sound card is playing it safe, unless of course you have 2 or more USB connected sound cards and want to switch between them, which is ok, since Windows normally doesn't make lot's of conflicts with USB connected devices... in other case (like for example yours, an onboard one with a USB connected one) you're gonna run into problems with Windows sooner or later (in your case, right away :S)... my advice, just disable the onboard one (they are no good anyway, you can't compare a notebook's onboard card even with a PC onboard card) and use the USB connected one all the time, or connect the USB one after the notebook bots up Windows... __________________ It's not schisophrenia... it's just a voice in my head...

Sep 14, 2009, 12:36 AM	Thread Starter #3
skychimp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 15	Re : IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict Indeeeeeed. I canot quite afford sacrificing the useability of my system's speakers as the usb soundcard is more an accessory that i could lose or forget to carry around. A good adventage is also having windows's beeps to play on the main soundcard and the proaudio softwares to bash around through the asio selected soundcard, that will never play any windows's sounds whitch will be played with the onboard card so it keeps me tuned about possible allerts. Inside most audio softwares i use i can chose whitch soundcard to use so this isnt any problem theoricaly... But the usb soundcard doesnt work even if it is present when its configuration application isnt loaded. Same goes for the IDT one... Yet i don't get it cause my desktop has both nvidia onboard card program and x-fi's program loaded together and both works pretty. Mayby both applications (idt audio and multichannel usb audio device) loads individualy upon a registry value only if the other soundcard isnt present.... All i know for sure is that windows sees both cards but that the usb soundcard's program doesnt load and is not even visible in task manager...

Sep 14, 2009, 04:05 AM	#4
GigaWatt Now In Color :D Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonia, Skopje Posts: 2,116 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Re: IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict you can root all the alert sounds to come out of the USB connected one... you have to have a set of speakers for the sound card of course, cuz the USB one doesn't come with speakers onboard... LOL ... in that case, you would have to carry the USB connected one with you all the time, which is kind of a drag (i wouldn't mind it, but obviously you would), so i guess we can rule this one out... :S have you tried using any other versions of the driver for the onboard sound card...? maybe that can clear up the problem... oh, almost forgot, what OS are you running on that thing...? __________________ It's not schisophrenia... it's just a voice in my head...

Sep 15, 2009, 02:20 AM	Thread Starter #5
skychimp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 15	Re : IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict Working on xp x86 (we all carry around those laptop computers, sometimes even mouse cables gets in the way XD ) :P (at least they reload as soon as replugged.. :S ) http://download.cnet.com/USB-Multi-C..._4-165006.html http://download.cnet.com/IDT-High-De...html?tag=mncol So, those are both conflicting drivers... Last edited by skychimp; Sep 15, 2009 at 02:56 AM.

Sep 15, 2009, 03:55 AM	#6
GigaWatt Now In Color :D Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonia, Skopje Posts: 2,116 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Re: IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict have you tried manually installing the drivers...? __________________ It's not schisophrenia... it's just a voice in my head...

Sep 15, 2009, 11:52 AM	Thread Starter #7
skychimp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 15	Re : IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict Both drivers are installed but only one card's 3drparty mixer application will load at a time but before first reboot. Before the first reboot, both cards's softwares will be loaded and both soundcards will worl. Then, after a reboot, idt will load by default or if disabled. The usb card will load sometimes only if idt is disabled, after this told first reboot and after. That's the way it happened here.

Sep 15, 2009, 12:56 PM	#8
GigaWatt Now In Color :D Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonia, Skopje Posts: 2,116 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Re: IDT audio and usbmultichannelaudio conflict no, what i meant was, have you tried installing the drivers and ONLY the drivers, not the automated installation package... cuz in my opinion, this has something to do with the software that each of those cards use (or one of them)... in any case, if one of devices software is the issue, you can fix it by manually installing them... first try installing only one of them manually and see if it makes any kind of a conflict... if there is none, leave it as it is... if there is still a conflict between the two devices, try installing them both manually... you can install them manually by extracting the files from the installer (if everything is packed within the installer)... if the driver files are separated in folders, and the exe file just grabs whatever file it needs, just point the Windows manual driver installer in some of those directories, one of them is bound to have the appropriate drives in it... if you do this, in most cases you will probably loose some of the controls and functions that that particular card may have, but i would say it's a great trade-off if you can get them both working... __________________ It's not schisophrenia... it's just a voice in my head...