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Old Jul 6, 2010, 12:58 AM   #1
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??? OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

OK, so I have a Creative X-Fi Titanium, the Fatal1ty Professional one (PCI-E)
and it is of course 96KHz/24-bit as is my Logitech Z-5500 speaker system.
Now, the question is...how can I be sure I'm actually hearing 96/24?
I've tried both direct analog input & optical. Only difference I notice is volume.

I've got some audio that is recorded at this quality (like a direct NiN album d/l)
So these are definitely 96/24. Not just claiming to be...or so I hope anyway
and now I've got this X-Fi card and with all the settings...I mean anywhere this
mother says 96KHz or 24-bit, it's set to that now.
However, these files when played through Sound Recorder (as most of them
are in wave format) I only get a hiss or crackling...not sure how to describe it.
You guys probably know what I mean. Just a bunch of noise basically.

All I ask is...why won't these files play direct? I can play them through, say
GOM Player (as long as I'm using AC3Filter 1.63b) but they'll play fine through
it that way on a 16-bit sound card too, these 96KHz/24-bit files! I don't get it.

My guess always was that if you get a 96khz/24-bit sound card, it should be
just as easy to play files of that type as it is to play a typical 48khz/16-bit
file on an older card, just open the file in any program you like & BAM, done.

Little enlightenment here? I'm in the dark & can't figure out what to look for in
the search on here to find what I'm needing. Dash it all!
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Old Jul 6, 2010, 01:53 AM   #2
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Re: OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

It can be a codec problem, you're missing the correct codec to play the files. The program Gspot helps you to look for codecs installed and which codecs are needed to play the file (be it audio or video) correctly.
But then you say when you use GOM Player it will play fine.

I don't understand the problem you're having...
especially this bit confuses me
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I can play them through, say
GOM Player (as long as I'm using AC3Filter 1.63b) but they'll play fine through
it that way on a 16-bit sound card too, these 96KHz/24-bit files! I don't get it.
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Re: OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

Try JRiver Media Center or Foobar.
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Old Jul 6, 2010, 03:14 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #4
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Re: OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

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It can be a codec problem, you're missing the correct codec to play the files. The program Gspot helps you to look for codecs installed and which codecs are needed to play the file (be it audio or video) correctly.
But then you say when you use GOM Player it will play fine.

I don't understand the problem you're having...
especially this bit confuses me
Well, mainly I just want to know if having a soundcard that produces these
freqs can't just simply play the tracks without any extra codecs or anything.
It seems logical to me that if you can just open a 48/16 .wav & play it on a
card with that as its max supported quality...than it should work the same
with a 96/24 card, if I have a 96/24 .wav, even sound recorder should play it. Right?
I can get the right codecs & everything yeah, thanks for recommending Gspot btw.

Oh yeah, I can play 96/24 files on a 16-bit soundcard if I use AC3Filter 1.63b
I figure it's uh...downsampling it to 48/16, but it says Output 96/24 so I dunno.
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Old Jul 6, 2010, 03:17 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #5
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Re: OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

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Try JRiver Media Center or Foobar.
That's a good suggestion...but not quite relevant, I'm asking basically why I
need special programs & codecs to play these files if my soundcard supports
them the same way my old one supported 48/16. Besides...I've already gone
through like 3 or 4 media players trying to find ones that will do what I need.
Also, here's a short clip of what it plays when I try 96/24 files in anything.
That includes Foobar. Same as Sound recorder, Winamp & everything else.

Btw, I couldn't get the site for JRiver to come up. Kept timing out.
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Old Jul 6, 2010, 05:16 AM   #6
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Re: OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

Your clip sounds like my headphone amp when I try to feed it anything higher than 2.0. I think the best way to answer your question is this:

The higher bit rate & frequency range your audio file is the more uncommon it is. Thus the reason why most software will not handle play back for it w/ more common media players.

Though I will say I am quite surprised Foobar doesn't handle it, maybe you need a plug-in?

What url have you tried? This one seems to be work: Media Center - J. River Media Center software
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Re: OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

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I'm asking basically why I
need special programs & codecs to play these files if my soundcard supports
them the same way my old one supported 48/16.
if that is the whole point, it is quite easy. Even if your soundcard knows how to play these files, the OS doesn't know how to. It will need the codec to translate the file into a 'language' it understands before it sends this to the soundcard to be played.
It is just like a videocard. The OS needs the driver and codecs for files to be understood and played correctly, even though the card itself can play it just fine.
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Old Jul 17, 2010, 02:39 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #8
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Re: OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

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if that is the whole point, it is quite easy. Even if your soundcard knows how to play these files, the OS doesn't know how to. It will need the codec to translate the file into a 'language' it understands before it sends this to the soundcard to be played.
It is just like a videocard. The OS needs the driver and codecs for files to be understood and played correctly, even though the card itself can play it just fine.
Oh jeez, that was a lot simpler than I expected, doesn't really surprise me a lot though.
Sounds like they need to get on the ball and make an OS that supports 96/24 natively.
Not as though it's still brand new or anything, haha
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Re: OK exceptionally stupid question...sorry...but

I was apparently mistaken with the previous files...they were actually 44.1kHz. But in 5.1
and the being 5.1 is what was apparently confusing the hell out of ol' Sound Recorder n'
the likes of Winamp & such. I played a stereo 96/24 file through Winamp & it worked fine.
I'm not sure why Winamp (v5.581) doesn't support these .wavs I found. (5.1, 44/16) but
it plays any other .wavs of the same kind as well as surround .mp3s/.flacs. Blah, I dunno.
Aside from that, I set my sound card to 48kHz output & turned off the Dolby Digital stuff to
see what the 96/24 file (that I was sure of working this time) would do with it turned off.
So what's it do? It plays just as problem-free as it did set to 96kHz. I even tried it on a
different PC with some shitty old on-board audio. (PC was made in 2000 so I doubt it'd
support 96/24) & it played fine on there as well! No additional codecs or anything! WTF!?

I'm starting to think this may not've been such a stupid question after all. :S
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