Anyone out there not use a Creative Card?

Malus · May 13, 2002, 10:55 PM

Just kind of curious, seems a lot of you are using Creative cards. I was never really too happy with Creative cards. Currently, I am happily using a Phillip's Rythmic Edge. Shame their XP drivers are a little flaky still.

Motoki · May 14, 2002, 01:55 AM

*barfs* Sorry I haven't used one of their cards since the AWE32, which I must admit I actually like because it has a daughterboard port and used (then) standard RAM, instead of proprietary RAM like they did with the AWE64.

But now? Well I finally gave up on my Diamond MX300 (Aureal Vortex 2). It works under XP but is too flaky to deal with and there will be no more driver updates since Creative Scabs drove Aureal out of business.

I just ordered a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz tonight. I've heard nothing but good things about this card (check out the user reviews at newegg.com for it), Turtle Beach has a good reputation, and it has a daughterboard port so I can still bring my Yamaha DB50XG midi card over.

I don't know why anyone buys Creative Labs anymore. People may think ATI's rep is bad, but they have nothing on Creative Labs. Their cards cause so many problems it's not even funny. Seems every game I get has SB Live and/or Audigy problems on its list of known issues. Their support is horrible, and it's not like there's any need to fear sound incompatibility issues since Microsoft standardized everything with DirectSound. I guess they are just living off an old reputation.

It's a shame, a little while back 3sound was all the rage, and their were next generation and next generation beyond that 3D sound technologies and cards coming out, 3D sound sites were popping up like weeds. It was a very exciting time for sound cards. Then Creative found some pathetic flimsy reason to sue Aureal and lost but bankrupted them, bought them out, and then sat on their superior technology instead promoting the inferior EAX. And when was the last time we've heard of a new sound card or 3D sound technology coming out? not for a looooong time.

Down with Creative Labs I say! :P

-MO

Malus · May 14, 2002, 03:11 AM

Damn straight!

digitalwanderer · May 14, 2002, 05:56 AM

I have a Fortissimo II in one of my rigs that I love, but I also have an SB-live 5.1 that has done me well in my other one. The SB-live was much more of a pain-in-the-ass to set-up though, and I like the Forty2 muchly better.

Mr V · May 14, 2002, 10:59 PM

Santa Cruz

Sounds beautiful.... and KICKS ASS!!

Malus · May 15, 2002, 03:44 AM

That's the thing I like about non-Creative cards, they actually work when you try to use them.

Jeff · May 15, 2002, 05:05 AM

Thats whats funny, I haven't had a single problem with any sound card since my Sound Blaster 2.0 from 1989 (STILL USING IT BTW, IN AN AMD K6-2 350!!!!) Every sound card I have used since then has worked fine for me.

No complaints here.

(Except the problems with the Audigy/8500DV, but its not too big.)

crescent_hawk · May 15, 2002, 06:19 AM

I'm using a SQ1500 and Windows ME there is no drivers under xp. I have had no problems with this card.

Vaporizer · May 16, 2002, 01:27 AM

I'm using the Game Theater XP and it totaly rocks!!

exept for some thing with the recorder control.... but im sure that it's me that is the bug there =)

Trunks0 · May 16, 2002, 06:40 AM

Same here using a Hercules:GameTheaterXP and I love it

I moved from a Vortex2 based TurtleBeach:Montego2Quadzilla great card and still in use on my second computer

Iam totally against Creative in every way. I refuse to support them I don't care how supposedly "good" there crap is. They killed my fav company took there awsome tech and didn't use it to top it off

Death to Creative and there BS

Funkybuffalo · May 17, 2002, 05:06 AM

I use a Philips Acoustic Edge. I think it is an excellent card. Sounds great, the Q-sound audio enhancements are great. I use it over Dolby for surround sound on my DVD setup. Pushes more sounds to the rear channels. Also has good acceleration for HW sound.

peroni · May 17, 2002, 06:35 AM

Hercules Fortissimo II here.
Previously I had an SBlive but it was hogging my PCI bus causing occasional pops&clicks.
Also according to some review, the Forty II uses less CPU time.

Mystik · May 18, 2002, 04:40 AM

Fortissimo II here as well..
Loving it -- first experience with *real* 3d-positional audio.. blows my mind away.

Malus · May 18, 2002, 05:04 AM

Cool. It's nice to see that everyone is having a great time with their sound once they ditched their Creative crap.

WyreTheWolf · May 18, 2002, 01:31 PM

I just dropped in a Philips Acoustic Edge... I must say this is the best sounding sound card I have ever owned... I would even go so far to say ... it sounds better than the Aureal SQ2500 that I owned previously.

Excellent sound.

Funkybuffalo · May 19, 2002, 05:46 AM

Glad to hear that you are as happy with your Acoustic Edge as I am with mine Wyre. Philips is really getting their stuff together. They have out some good products. Philips and Sony do kind of control everything audio wise.

Malus · May 19, 2002, 06:49 AM

You guys all using the newest beta drivers for the Phillip's cards?

WyreTheWolf · May 19, 2002, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Malus
You guys all using the newest beta drivers for the Phillip's cards?

I am ... so far they seem a little more acurate, and capable than the standard drivers. There is a slight performance increase as well.

Necrosis · May 20, 2002, 06:15 AM

I just ordered myself a Santra Cruz. It'll be in sometime this week and I report back my findings, and thoughts about it. I've been using Creative for awhile but I'm owned two of the Philip's cards, and an old Diamond Multimedia Aureal.

softman · May 20, 2002, 06:47 PM

I use a Terratec 1024 fire

works great for me in XP

vtjvt · May 20, 2002, 10:42 PM

Santa Cruz, and fortissimo 2 in my machines, I have many friends that love the creative cards, but I have never had anything but trouble, It got so bad that I will never buy another one.

Necrosis · May 24, 2002, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
I just ordered myself a Santra Cruz. It'll be in sometime this week and I report back my findings, and thoughts about it. I've been using Creative for awhile but I'm owned two of the Philip's cards, and an old Diamond Multimedia Aureal.

I finally have my new card and it's installed. I must say the sound on it is amazing with my Klipsch, especially nice with the built in MP3 decoding. I've only tried it in JDKII as far as games go, but it has a very clean sound. I think it has a much warmer sound than my Audigy gamer. I'm very pleased with it. Good bye Creative!!

alewisa · May 29, 2002, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Motoki
*barfs*

But now? Well I finally gave up on my Diamond MX300 (Aureal Vortex 2). It works under XP but is too flaky to deal with and there will be no more driver updates since Creative Scabs drove Aureal out of business.

Still use a Diamond MX card here. Not bad, hooked up to a TEAC P1000 system (which only does 3.1 sound anyway - if that makes sense!). Really wanted to put it in my NT machine, but yeah, no drivers thanks to the big C

-MO

magikfly · Jun 26, 2002, 06:20 AM

terratec is probably the best solution.
m-audio is better, but that´s pro gear

Tagman · Jun 27, 2002, 06:42 PM

Game theatre xp here.Just changed from a Santa Cruz as I needed the digital outputs.
Both cards rock

Malus · Jun 29, 2002, 04:35 AM

W3rd.

DallasStar · Jun 29, 2002, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Malus
W3rd.

What kind of a sorry excuse for a post is that?

kinetic · Jun 29, 2002, 10:36 AM

Videologic Sonicfury.

Malus · Jun 29, 2002, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dallasstar
What kind of a sorry excuse for a post is that?

It was just a statement expressing the utter joy that I have towards the users who break from the shackles of Creative and immerse themselves in the happiness known as buying a better card from a better company.

fatty100lb · Jun 29, 2002, 06:21 PM

i am so sorry you lot cannot get on with creative. i have never had a problem with them from my first creative graphics card gf2 gts ddr the original right the way through to my soundblaster 5.1 which more than kicks ass. also use cambridge audio 5.1 speakers. used to have a sonic foundry and hated it so i went back to creative. love em to bits they make the best sound cards by far.

May 13, 2002, 10:55 PM	#1
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Anyone out there not use a Creative Card? Just kind of curious, seems a lot of you are using Creative cards. I was never really too happy with Creative cards. Currently, I am happily using a Phillip's Rythmic Edge. Shame their XP drivers are a little flaky still. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

May 14, 2002, 03:11 AM	Thread Starter #3
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Damn straight! __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

May 14, 2002, 05:56 AM	#4
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	Yes and No I have a Fortissimo II in one of my rigs that I love, but I also have an SB-live 5.1 that has done me well in my other one. The SB-live was much more of a pain-in-the-ass to set-up though, and I like the Forty2 muchly better. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

May 14, 2002, 10:59 PM	#5
Mr V DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wherever , whenever....... Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	Santa Cruz Sounds beautiful.... and KICKS ASS!! __________________ On the planet of the Baritone women..they sing LOOOOWW.... bout stuff they knoWWWWW....they sing OOOOOHHH.. and laugh at you.....A-ha-ha-hahaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a!

May 15, 2002, 03:44 AM	Thread Starter #6
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	That's the thing I like about non-Creative cards, they actually work when you try to use them. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

May 14, 2002, 01:55 AM	#2
Motoki DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 51 Rep Power: 0	barfs Sorry I haven't used one of their cards since the AWE32, which I must admit I actually like because it has a daughterboard port and used (then) standard RAM, instead of proprietary RAM like they did with the AWE64. But now? Well I finally gave up on my Diamond MX300 (Aureal Vortex 2). It works under XP but is too flaky to deal with and there will be no more driver updates since Creative Scabs drove Aureal out of business. I just ordered a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz tonight. I've heard nothing but good things about this card (check out the user reviews at newegg.com for it), Turtle Beach has a good reputation, and it has a daughterboard port so I can still bring my Yamaha DB50XG midi card over. I don't know why anyone buys Creative Labs anymore. People may think ATI's rep is bad, but they have nothing on Creative Labs. Their cards cause so many problems it's not even funny. Seems every game I get has SB Live and/or Audigy problems on its list of known issues. Their support is horrible, and it's not like there's any need to fear sound incompatibility issues since Microsoft standardized everything with DirectSound. I guess they are just living off an old reputation. It's a shame, a little while back 3sound was all the rage, and their were next generation and next generation beyond that 3D sound technologies and cards coming out, 3D sound sites were popping up like weeds. It was a very exciting time for sound cards. Then Creative found some pathetic flimsy reason to sue Aureal and lost but bankrupted them, bought them out, and then sat on their superior technology instead promoting the inferior EAX. And when was the last time we've heard of a new sound card or 3D sound technology coming out? not for a looooong time. Down with Creative Labs I say! :P -MO

May 15, 2002, 05:05 AM	#7
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 74	Thats whats funny, I haven't had a single problem with any sound card since my Sound Blaster 2.0 from 1989 (STILL USING IT BTW, IN AN AMD K6-2 350!!!!) Every sound card I have used since then has worked fine for me. No complaints here. (Except the problems with the Audigy/8500DV, but its not too big.) __________________

May 15, 2002, 06:19 AM	#8
crescent_hawk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Davenport,IA,USA Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	I'm using a SQ1500 and Windows ME there is no drivers under xp. I have had no problems with this card.

May 16, 2002, 01:27 AM	#9
Vaporizer WTF Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 174 Rep Power: 0	I'm using the Game Theater XP and it totaly rocks!! exept for some thing with the recorder control.... but im sure that it's me that is the bug there =)

May 16, 2002, 06:40 AM	#10
Trunks0 Keeping an open mind Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver,B.C.,Canada Posts: 552 Rep Power: 62 System Specs	Same here using a Hercules:GameTheaterXP and I love it I moved from a Vortex2 based TurtleBeach:Montego2Quadzilla great card and still in use on my second computer Iam totally against Creative in every way. I refuse to support them I don't care how supposedly "good" there crap is. They killed my fav company took there awsome tech and didn't use it to top it off Death to Creative and there BS __________________

May 17, 2002, 05:06 AM	#11
Funkybuffalo DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Huntington,WV Posts: 75 Rep Power: 0	I use a Philips Acoustic Edge. I think it is an excellent card. Sounds great, the Q-sound audio enhancements are great. I use it over Dolby for surround sound on my DVD setup. Pushes more sounds to the rear channels. Also has good acceleration for HW sound.

May 17, 2002, 06:35 AM	#12
peroni DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 591 Rep Power: 0	Hercules Fortissimo II here. Previously I had an SBlive but it was hogging my PCI bus causing occasional pops&clicks. Also according to some review, the Forty II uses less CPU time. __________________ Gaming Rig 3DMark2k1 PCMark2k2 The Server 3Dmark2k1 PCMark2k2 Notebook 3Dmark2k1 PCMark2k2

May 18, 2002, 04:40 AM	#13
Mystik i'm an errand. Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 237 Rep Power: 0	Fortissimo II here as well.. Loving it -- first experience with real 3d-positional audio.. blows my mind away. __________________ For as long as the sun shines, there will always be darkness. -- me.

May 18, 2002, 05:04 AM	Thread Starter #14
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Cool. It's nice to see that everyone is having a great time with their sound once they ditched their Creative crap. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

May 18, 2002, 01:31 PM	#15
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,111 Rep Power: 0	I just dropped in a Philips Acoustic Edge... I must say this is the best sounding sound card I have ever owned... I would even go so far to say ... it sounds better than the Aureal SQ2500 that I owned previously. Excellent sound.

May 19, 2002, 05:46 AM	#16
Funkybuffalo DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Huntington,WV Posts: 75 Rep Power: 0	Glad to hear that you are as happy with your Acoustic Edge as I am with mine Wyre. Philips is really getting their stuff together. They have out some good products. Philips and Sony do kind of control everything audio wise.

May 19, 2002, 06:49 AM	Thread Starter #17
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	You guys all using the newest beta drivers for the Phillip's cards? __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

May 20, 2002, 06:15 AM	#19
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	I just ordered myself a Santra Cruz. It'll be in sometime this week and I report back my findings, and thoughts about it. I've been using Creative for awhile but I'm owned two of the Philip's cards, and an old Diamond Multimedia Aureal.

May 20, 2002, 06:47 PM	#20
softman Intel Core2Duo E 8400 Join Date: May 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	I use a Terratec 1024 fire works great for me in XP

May 20, 2002, 10:42 PM	#21
vtjvt DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Salt Lake city utah Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	Santa Cruz, and fortissimo 2 in my machines, I have many friends that love the creative cards, but I have never had anything but trouble, It got so bad that I will never buy another one. __________________ This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" -- Adolph Hitler 1935

Jun 26, 2002, 06:20 AM	#24
magikfly DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	terratec is probably the best solution. m-audio is better, but that´s pro gear __________________ The egg...it's a chicken, not a choice.

Jun 27, 2002, 06:42 PM	#25
Tagman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: uk Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Game theatre xp here.Just changed from a Santa Cruz as I needed the digital outputs. Both cards rock __________________ Iwill xp333 2.1 xp 1600 512mb 2100 Ati Radeon 8500

Jun 29, 2002, 04:35 AM	Thread Starter #26
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	W3rd. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Jun 29, 2002, 10:36 AM	#28
kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	Videologic Sonicfury.

Jun 29, 2002, 06:21 PM	#30
fatty100lb DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	i am so sorry you lot cannot get on with creative. i have never had a problem with them from my first creative graphics card gf2 gts ddr the original right the way through to my soundblaster 5.1 which more than kicks ass. also use cambridge audio 5.1 speakers. used to have a sonic foundry and hated it so i went back to creative. love em to bits they make the best sound cards by far.