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vassil_bk Jul 22, 2004 12:43 PM

Creative Audigy 2 AD_EXT pin assignment
 
Does anyone know the pin assignment for Creative Audigy or Audigy 2? I want to connect my Front Panel headphones and mic jack. And not only these. I tried to guess some of the pins but it did't work out.

dj_stick Jul 22, 2004 12:57 PM

yes this has been worked out now (by a group of hardworking people in the kX forum here)
http://kb.kxproject.lugosoft.com/AD_EXT.jpg

Genius Jul 22, 2004 02:56 PM

This is great news. Maybe now I can actually get digital out on this thing. Creative rules the sound industry with an iron fist... they don't even sell an add in board of any type for the audigy 2. They figure if someone wants it bad enough they'll go out and buy another card. Pff.

So now that we have this, can someone help with a little guide on getting digital out? I assume I would connect pins 25 and 35 to fake the live drive (using a homemade cable I'll be starting on shortly). How do I go about the cable for the actual digital out for pin 9 (it is spdif0 i would use correct)?

tutu Jul 22, 2004 04:22 PM

My Case is the CoolerMaster Praetorian - which has front mic and headphone sockets. It has the following connectors:

MIN_IN, MIC_PWR, GROUND

L-OUT, R-OUT, L-RET, R-RET.

So how do I go about connecting the MIC? Also, what about the smaller white ish area.. I thought that is where you plug these in!

germanjulian Jul 22, 2004 04:26 PM

this could come in handy one day. great find

Candyman Jul 22, 2004 05:16 PM

I have the add-on board from my SB-LIVE card and connected it to the Audigy2 card and it works fine.

Genius Jul 22, 2004 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Candyman
I have the add-on board from my SB-LIVE card and connected it to the Audigy2 card and it works fine.
Seriously? I have my old I/O front panel but I was under the impression the pinout had changed so I never bothered to try it. That would explain why Creative didn't want to publish the datasheet for this. Less money for them.

Genius Jul 22, 2004 05:50 PM

I guess it doesn't matter as I've been doing some reading I never bothered to do before. The Sound Blaster cards are only useful with multi speaker setups when you're using the analog connections. The only time the spdif is useful is for DVD playback (or other AC3). I have a SoundStorm onboard which I use for that. I wish Nvidia would get into the sound card business. They'd give Creative one hell of a run.

digitalwanderer Jul 22, 2004 06:32 PM

Nice job, thanks for this information! :D

drakesteakn Jul 22, 2004 07:58 PM

great work guys.

HecHacker1 Jul 22, 2004 10:28 PM

ok, so can anybody help me with how i should connect the front panel headphone jack to the audigy 2. I see that the mic port is clearly marked. but the audio out is more cryptic (if there is one?).

dj_stick Jul 22, 2004 10:48 PM

IMPORTANT
for those who want to put analog inputs and outputs on the audigy 2, such as mic and headphones, you MUST build a seperate hardware converter - these are all digital inputs and outputs on the AD_EXT (AUD_EXT for live! and audigy 1 for that matter aswell)
the electronics section at Travelrec's website should help you if you want to buils these converters

roadrun7 Jul 22, 2004 11:37 PM

Can you post a diagram of the Audigy 1 EXT pins?

Or possibly post a link to a diagram or jpg?

I have been wanting to use the spdif in on those pins, as my internal dvd player has 2 pin spdif digital out that I have neglected to use.

Would be nice to see how much better it sounds using the spdif in.

I take it there wouldn't need to be any sort of conversion?

dj_stick Jul 23, 2004 01:09 AM

other creative soundcard header pinouts
the AUD_EXT has 2 spdif ins and they work fine with internal optical devices

vassil_bk Jul 23, 2004 09:05 AM

Thank you very much my friends!!!
 
Many thanks to you all one more time! I hope now I can manage to connect my front panel.

dj_stick Jul 23, 2004 01:31 PM

one thing i have noticed - they give is one less s/pdif input that the AUD_EXT connector… now that is crap

Samir Jul 23, 2004 08:29 PM

[color=crimson]To all people who wants to connect anything to Audigy2 AD_EXT:[/color]
Please post some feedback & experiences, especially if you are trying to connect old LiveDrive, AudigyDrive or IR drive to Audigy2 card series... Since we discovered actual pinouts, we don't have appropriate 'drives' for proper testing... ;)
Thank you!

dj_stick Jul 25, 2004 02:35 AM

i'm going to make this a "sticky" thread for future reference

Josh_Hayes Jul 25, 2004 07:16 AM

Any chance you guys could find the pin-out for the white connector on most OEM Sound Cards including the Audigy? These should include an analog output AFAIK. I have been using this OEM port along with a proprietary cable and front I/O panel from a Dell optiplex to get front panel audio on my machine for about a year now. I'd love to be able to bypass the I/O module and plug directly into the front audio ports on newer cases.

Thanks,

-Josh

dj_stick Jul 25, 2004 07:17 AM

unfortunately afaik there are no analog connectors on these cards… unless someone knows different

Josh_Hayes Jul 25, 2004 08:08 AM

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/...aze/oemcon.jpg
This is the OEM connector I am referring to on the Audigy 2 OEM

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/...e/casefrnt.jpg
This is a pic of my modded front panel

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/...e/ioboard2.jpg
This is the I/O board I ordered from Dell

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/...ze/ioboard.jpg
Another pic of the board showing the connectors

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/...e/frontpnl.jpg
I mounted the board to the rear of this panel and made a hole just big enough for the audio port

dj_stick Jul 25, 2004 08:57 AM

hmm i thought that was internal firewire…
afaik a2 cards never had an analogue header, i guess i was wrong
EDIT: the module may have a DAC inbuilt…
in the creative driver folder - look in the help folder for a file called hwinfo.hlp

Samir Jul 26, 2004 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Josh_Hayes
Any chance you guys could find the pin-out for the white connector on most OEM Sound Cards including the Audigy? These should include an analog output AFAIK. I have been using this OEM port along with a proprietary cable and front I/O panel from a Dell optiplex to get front panel audio on my machine for about a year now. I'd love to be able to bypass the I/O module and plug directly into the front audio ports on newer cases.

Thanks,

-Josh

Audigy2 OEM model you said? I taught I have Audigy2 OEM model, and it looks like this:
http://www.bih.net.ba/~info.com/J1.jpg

Jebo ih ja! Picture shows exact place where white (J1) connector should be! Damn, it doesn't have J1 connector at all!

And your SB0240 semms to have J1 connector! Audigy2 ZS (SB0350) also has this thing. People, Creative really sucks! :x
All I know about J1 connector is that pin 10 goes to pin 36 @ AD_EXT, and pin 3 goes to pin 151 @ 10K2 chip (this could be SPDIF input related). Maybe i could trace all pins so we could find out what are rest of them...
Josh_Hayes, could you specify EXACT pins that leads from J1 to I/O panel from a Dell?

Thank you!

Josh_Hayes Jul 26, 2004 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samir
Audigy2 OEM model you said? I taught I have Audigy2 OEM model, and it looks like this:
http://www.bih.net.ba/~info.com/J1.jpg

Jebo ih ja! Picture shows exact place where white (J1) connector should be! Damn, it doesn't have J1 connector at all!

And your SB0240 semms to have J1 connector! Audigy2 ZS (SB0350) also has this thing. People, Creative really sucks! :x
All I know about J1 connector is that pin 10 goes to pin 36 @ AD_EXT, and pin 3 goes to pin 151 @ 10K2 chip (this could be SPDIF input related). Maybe i could trace all pins so we could find out what are rest of them...
Josh_Hayes, could you specify EXACT pins that leads from J1 to I/O panel from a Dell?

Thank you!

I'm not exactly sure what you want me to do... You want to know what color wire comes off J1? All the pins have leads going to I/O Panel via the OEM Cable.

dj_stick Jul 26, 2004 04:28 AM

try to trace the wires on the PCB to the 3.5mm jack

PhilA Jul 26, 2004 07:33 AM

> I have the add-on board from my SB-LIVE card and connected it to the Audigy2 card and it works fine.

Does anyone know the model number of the SB-LIVE card mentioned here or anything else we might use to connect front panel audio/MIC to the audigy2??

Thanks.

Phil

dj_stick Jul 26, 2004 11:06 AM

it would either be the live! drive (CT4861/SB0010) or a digital daughter card (CT4710/CT4770)

and the pinouts for the AUD_EXT connector used for that is here

PhilA Jul 26, 2004 01:36 PM

I had a look at the CT4710 Optical Digital I/O Board you mentioned. I could not find the CT4861 at all. The CT470 does not look like I will be able to connect my front panel audio/MIC to it?

Candyman posted: "I have the add-on board from my SB-LIVE card and connected it to the Audigy2 card and it works fine".

I want to be able to connect my front panel easily to my Audigy2 with a simple add-on card or something. Someone must be doing this like Candyman.

dj_stick Jul 26, 2004 01:38 PM

ok it seems if you have the white J1 connector you can do this - if not, you need to build a DAC module

PhilA Jul 26, 2004 01:48 PM

Sorry to be a pain, I really am a newbie when it comes to audio. Are you saying if I have the white J1 connector on my audigy2 I can plug the wires direct to this, after working out which pins on the J1 to use?

Don't think I have it anyway, don't remember seeing it.

So now I have to build a DAC module add-on card? Does the DAC convert the analog inputs from my case to digital for the card? Can I buy one from somewhere?

Thanks again.
Phil

dj_stick Jul 26, 2004 09:38 PM

yes this is what it does…
im sure you can buy them from somewhere - but they would be bulky, not designed for internal use in a computer case, and expensive - i would build one if i were you - www.electricstart.de has some electronics for building an analogue to digital converter, for extra inputs

Samir Jul 26, 2004 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Josh_Hayes
I'm not exactly sure what you want me to do... You want to know what color wire comes off J1? All the pins have leads going to I/O Panel via the OEM Cable.
Trace three wires from 3.5mm jack to J1 connector pins...
You can see pin 1 on J1 connector, it's marked with small arrow, look at right side...

PhilA Jul 26, 2004 11:41 PM

I'm sure someone could make a simple DAC converter for the Audigy2 and sell them, I'd buy one but then I'm not very good at soldering. LOL

Josh_Hayes Jul 31, 2004 02:04 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ze/pcbback.jpg

Here is a picture of the rear of the I/O Board. I believe you will find the pins you are looking for and the route they take. I am not sure how to decipher which pins belong to what on the Audio Port. The J1 connector on the Audigy 2 connect to the row of pins circled in red.

Samir Aug 1, 2004 05:49 PM

To Josh_Hayes:

This picture alone, is not much help. What i need is another picture, another side of this add-on card, including connector & cable (where i can see wich wire colors are connected to add-on module & Audigy2 card too)...

cybadog Aug 1, 2004 10:33 PM

Shamelessy ripped from elsewhere, ymmv, supposedly J1 pinouts are :-

1 - Analog Ground
2 - Analog Headphone Out Left
3 - Audio Backpanel Mute -- short to ground to mute the backpanel (when headphones are plugged in)
4 - Analog Headphone Out Right
5 - same as #3
6 - Mic input from front panel
7 - key pin (shouldn't be there)
8 - VREF out -- voltage reference for Mic
9 - MIC IN MUTE -- ground when mic isn't plugged in, +12VDC when mic is plugged in
10 - Audio cable detect -- will be ground when headphones are plugged in (not normally used)

headphones & mic connections :-

http://www.cyba2.demon.co.uk/audigyj1.jpg

dj_stick Aug 1, 2004 10:37 PM

thanks for this information, this will help some users greatly

Samir Aug 2, 2004 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cybadog
Shamelessy ripped from elsewhere, ymmv, supposedly J1 pinouts are :-
FROM WHEREEEE???

dj_stick Aug 2, 2004 10:05 AM

Samir: Pin 36 on the AD_EXT - could that be a S/PDIF input? or have the dodged it away and left only 2 S/PDIF ins on the A2 cards?

cybadog Aug 2, 2004 01:29 PM

Samir, ripped from this thread.

Samir Aug 2, 2004 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dj_stick
Samir: Pin 36 on the AD_EXT - could that be a S/PDIF input? or have the dodged it away and left only 2 S/PDIF ins on the A2 cards?
Why you think pin 36 might be SPDIF input? When i traced it, it lead to J1 connector :duh: , pin 10, which is, according to cybadog, 'Audio cable detect'. It's for headphones detection, i think... I really have no clue about where third SPDIF input might be... :uhoh:

Offshore Aug 3, 2004 08:22 PM

Hi!

Very much thanks for the Audigy 2 Pinout. I waited a long time for this and I'm very happy find it here. Now I have good news for you. I have connected the Audigy 2 card to the Audigy 1 drive - and it works fine. IR-option, headphone, coaxial & optical SPDIF I/Os and MIDI I/Os works fine, only the microphone2/line-in2 , aux2 doesn't work. I think the problem are the pins ADCSDO2(p31), ADCSDO1(p33) and ADSCDO0(p35) (I2S audio data output) on the Drive. I tried to connect to the Audigy2 Pins I2S input Aux2(p19) and I2S input Line-in2/Mic2(p21) but the Signals are very noisy. Why do I have 3 Outputs (on the Audigy1 Drive) for A/D-Input and only 2 A/D-Inputs on the Audigy2. How can I connect these three Pins to the two on the Audigy2.

Another question. Why must I connect the p34 (Audigy2) to TAD, and why I must connect p36 to p10@J1? Which signals are on these pins?

On the drive i have 2 Outputs for SPDIF In, but only 1 Input on the Audigy 2. How can I solve this? Now i connected both of these outputs on the 1 on the Audigy2.

Thanks Offshore

Excuse me for my bad english language

dj_stick Aug 3, 2004 08:55 PM

try using CD_SPDIF for the second s/pdif signal

as for the I2S signals, make sure you connect the clock signal pins to the audigy drive

Offshore Aug 3, 2004 09:05 PM

I've connected the clock pins to the drive. I have a mic-signal but there is also noise on it.

That would be a solution, but why is there only one digital in on the Audigy 2?

dj_stick Aug 3, 2004 09:10 PM

i don't know the answer to the second question, you have to ask creative,

perhaps the noise is because the p16v (24/96) chip is upsampling the signal from the ADC's on the drive, which are 16/48, whereas the audigy 2 drive ADCs are 24/96

Offshore Aug 3, 2004 09:21 PM

Is there a possibility to change these ADC's on the Drive?

dj_stick Aug 3, 2004 10:29 PM

i don't think so

Samir Aug 4, 2004 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Offshore
Hi!
1:
Very much thanks for the Audigy 2 Pinout. I waited a long time for this and I'm very happy find it here. IR-option, headphone, coaxial & optical SPDIF I/Os and MIDI I/Os works fine, only the microphone2/line-in2 , aux2 doesn't work. I think the problem are the pins ADCSDO2(p31), ADCSDO1(p33) and ADSCDO0(p35) (I2S audio data output) on the Drive. I tried to connect to the Audigy2 Pins I2S input Aux2(p19) and I2S input Line-in2/Mic2(p21) but the Signals are very noisy. Why do I have 3 Outputs (on the Audigy1 Drive) for A/D-Input and only 2 A/D-Inputs on the Audigy2. How can I connect these three Pins to the two on the Audigy2.

2:
Another question. Why must I connect the p34 (Audigy2) to TAD, and why I must connect p36 to p10@J1? Which signals are on these pins?

3:
On the drive i have 2 Outputs for SPDIF In, but only 1 Input on the Audigy 2. How can I solve this? Now i connected both of these outputs on the 1 on the Audigy2.

1: I'm very glad it worked! The reason why Audigy2 has only 2 I2S inputs is that third I2S input is used for onboard LineIn input, PHILIPS ADC... You can use this for 24/96 recording, just search this forum for the info how to bypass AC97 codec and get separate input trough AC97 2 - wich is onboard PHILIPS ADC... Reason because you get noise on Aux2 LineIn2 is, most probbably, 48Khz ADCs found on Audigy1 drive... Audigy2 expects 96Khz signals... :uhoh:

2: You don't have to connect these pins at all! Recently i've found out that p36 has 'headphones detect' function...

3: Unfortunately, AD_EXT/SPDIF_IO found on Audigy2 cards has only one SPDIF input! This IS strange, but you can always use CD_SPDIF input... :)

I have another question for you: Have you used setup like this???
Code:

              purpose:    Audigy2 pins:    AudigyDrive pins:
                  +5V:        1 ------------- 1 or 2, no difference...
                  GND:        3 ------------- 3
                  GND:        7 ------------- 7
                  GND:        8 ------------- 8
                  GND:        14 ------------- 14
                  GND:        16 ------------- 16
                  GND:        18 ------------- 18
                  GND:        20 ------------- 20
                  GND:        28 ------------- 28
                  GND:        32 ------------- 32
                  GND:        38 ------------- 38

            MIDI out:        37 ------------> 25
              MIDI in:        39 <------------ 27
          SPDIF0 out:        9 ------------> 17
          SPDIF1 out:        29 ------------> 19
          SPDIF2 out:        31 ------------> 22
          SPDIF3 out:        27 ------------> 9
            SPDIF in:        5 <------------ 15 (if doesn't work try 6 instead of 15)
 AC97CLK/P16V 24.5MHz:        13 ------------> 4
          I2S1 (Aux2):        19 <------------ 33
 I2S2(ALine-in2/Mic2):        21 <------------ 31
                GPI0:        35 <------------ 23
                GPI1:        33 <------------ 24 
                GPO0:        25 ------------> 13   
                GPO1:        23 ------------> 10 
                GPO2:        24 ------------> 11

Please make a similar drawing of cable you made to connect every pin, and post it here for other users...:)
Thank you!

aleph Aug 9, 2004 05:24 PM

spdif_io on audigy 2 zs (SB0350)

spdif_io and ad_ext looks same as on the picture, unfortunatelly if i connect coax out from external dvd to pins 5-6 nothing happen. if i connect it to cd digital in it works.
is there any difference in spdif_io between audigy2 and audigy2 zs ?

dj_stick Aug 10, 2004 04:02 AM

external COAX is not of TTL levels, which are required by the AD_EXT and SPDIF_IO headers on the audigy 2, use the CD_SPDIF header for this purpose

exorcism Aug 11, 2004 01:30 AM

So I bought this Audigy 2 ZS sound card and found out that the digital output on the back is not really "SPDIF" or something, certantly only outputs stereo to my nice surround receiver.

I called and asked them about this and they said I'll only get surround with dvd's with the rear output, and that if I got the Platinum the SPDIF/Toslink out on the front-panel would allow me to play all my games in surround over the digital connection.

I'm wondering if this is true or not, and if so is it possible to use the spdif pinouts on the board to do this rather than buying the Platinum?

Big problem here is the Audigy 2 ZS has almost no low-end to it's analog outputs and the bass boost they so proudly advertise only works in 4.x/2.x mode (not 5.1+ mode) so that further causes problems to my sound. The analog sound from the card just isn't that good, and certantly doesn't come close to my external receiver. It's very disapointing really.

dj_stick Aug 11, 2004 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exorcism
So I bought this Audigy 2 ZS sound card and found out that the digital output on the back is not really "SPDIF" or something, certantly only outputs stereo to my nice surround receiver.

I called and asked them about this and they said I'll only get surround with dvd's with the rear output, and that if I got the Platinum the SPDIF/Toslink out on the front-panel would allow me to play all my games in surround over the digital connection.

I'm wondering if this is true or not, and if so is it possible to use the spdif pinouts on the board to do this rather than buying the Platinum?

Big problem here is the Audigy 2 ZS has almost no low-end to it's analog outputs and the bass boost they so proudly advertise only works in 4.x/2.x mode (not 5.1+ mode) so that further causes problems to my sound. The analog sound from the card just isn't that good, and certantly doesn't come close to my external receiver. It's very disapointing really.

it is S/PDIF and definately not surround
here is why

tay714man Aug 14, 2004 12:20 AM

Hi, I have a cooler master cavalier case with front headphone/microphone jacks. I'm trying to get my audigy 2 to connect to them. I had the front connections working fine on my onboard sound, but the connectors I have are too big for the pins on the white J1 connector on the card. Does anyone know if there is a way I can connect the jacks without just cutting ends off and connecting the wires directly to the pins? Is there a place I can get one of those white connectors?

CVNet1 Aug 22, 2004 07:05 AM

Hey all, I'm new to the forums (joined so I could post here), so if this has been covered somewhere else, please just direct me there. I was looking at connecting the front panel audio to my Audigy1 card and from reading everywhere I understand that its not possible to do with the pinouts on the card as they are a digital connection vs the analog. However I noticed on the back of the soundcard where your audio out connectors are, there are very short pins which stick out from the audio headers and are sauldered at their base to the board. Although I can't rule out that they may just be there to secure the audio connector to the card so you don't dislodge it when plugging in your speaker cable to the back of the computer, I suspect they probably have the dual purpose of also being the connect points for the left and right analog outputs for the card. There are 5 connection points to the back of the PCB for each analog output (the digital one has 7 connection points). Has anyone here tried to or heard of someone who has perhaps sauldered some connectors to the back of the card so they could perhaps plug in the front audio to that?

If not, I'll probably test the theory on my own card. If I fry it, well who cares, guess I'll use the Soundstorm MCP-T on the DFI NFII Ultra Infinity instead. I'm just pissed off that Creative treats their customers like crap with their proprietary connections anyway, least they could do is be like some other sound card producer and put pinouts right next to the audio out ports on the backpanel it takes almost zero effort on the PCB layout/design to do that and if they wanted to charge another $10 for this feature I'd be happy to pay for it.

dj_stick Aug 22, 2004 09:59 AM

CVNet - use google to search for "zap wizard" he has plans for a mod where he uses these solder points to mod his computer case (on a soundblaster live), his website includes diagrams/images on how to do this

imgoof02 Aug 26, 2004 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Offshore
I've connected the clock pins to the drive. I have a mic-signal but there is also noise on it.

Try changing the spdif frequency in the kx mixer to 96000

44100 and 48000 give me horrible noise


::EDIT:: Oops.. i didnt realize i drifted out of the kx forum on here, and assumed u had the kx drivers (which I would suggest trying btw)

...if your are using the creative drivers... don't they have a menu where u can change the spdif frequency too? (cant remember.. too long ago since i last used those)

if they do, try changing the setting to 96000
if all else fails, go kx! (if u arent already using them)

softlion Aug 29, 2004 11:49 AM

[forget !!]
I've just read the first posts :)
Only digital outputs !!

-----
hi,
I would like to connect my front case Line in and line out jacks to the internal Audigy 2.
Can I do it using the AD_EXT connector and to which pin do I connect line in and out ?
:confused:

jcgson Sep 1, 2004 08:35 AM

I have a Audigy 2 ZS Retail & a RealMagic XCard Mpeg2-card. Now, the xcard has a spdif output which i have connected to the Audigy 2 AD_EXT spdif-in.
When the XCard outputs PCM through the spdif everything sounds ok, but when sending AC3 its all silent.
I have tried both the of the audigy 2 built in AC3-decoder, and the spdif passthrough to my external AC3 receiver but with the same result.

Anyone experience the same problem??
Please help.. :-)

dj_stick Sep 1, 2004 11:38 AM

make sure you are using the right pins (or try to use the CD_SPDIF connector)
you may have to bridge several pins to activate the inputs on the AD_EXT (see the notes for the image of the pinout)

XavierNL Sep 11, 2004 10:19 PM

jcgson,

I initially encountered the same problem as you did, but was finally able to solve it thanks to the info provided in the beginning of this thread. I have posted a detailed explanation how to connect the Xcard and Audigy 2 ZS on the Sigma forums here:

http://www.sigmadesigns.com/dcforum/DCForumID13/7.html

The problem you are having is that you need to enable AC-3 decoding in the (Creative) driver, but that option is not normally displayed unless you have an Audigy Drive connected. To 'fool' your card into thinking this is the case, you need to connect ad_ext pins 25 & 35. For more info, please see my post on the Sigma forums. Good luck, and a BIG "Thanks!" to the guy(s) that provided that ad_ext pin layout!

Samir Sep 12, 2004 12:55 PM

You're welcome!

MarkAD88 Sep 14, 2004 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Offshore
Hi!

Very much thanks for the Audigy 2 Pinout. I waited a long time for this and I'm very happy find it here. Now I have good news for you. I have connected the Audigy 2 card to the Audigy 1 drive - and it works fine. IR-option, headphone, coaxial & optical SPDIF I/Os and MIDI I/Os works fine, only the microphone2/line-in2 , aux2 doesn't work. I think the problem are the pins ADCSDO2(p31), ADCSDO1(p33) and ADSCDO0(p35) (I2S audio data output) on the Drive. I tried to connect to the Audigy2 Pins I2S input Aux2(p19) and I2S input Line-in2/Mic2(p21) but the Signals are very noisy. Why do I have 3 Outputs (on the Audigy1 Drive) for A/D-Input and only 2 A/D-Inputs on the Audigy2. How can I connect these three Pins to the two on the Audigy2.

Another question. Why must I connect the p34 (Audigy2) to TAD, and why I must connect p36 to p10@J1? Which signals are on these pins?

On the drive i have 2 Outputs for SPDIF In, but only 1 Input on the Audigy 2. How can I solve this? Now i connected both of these outputs on the 1 on the Audigy2.

Thanks Offshore

Excuse me for my bad english language

Did I read your post correctly? Are you running the front panel from an Audigy 1 card on an Audigy 2 ZS card?

If so, did you have to remap any pins on the AD_EXT connector on the Audigy 2 or did you just plug the cable directly from the Audigy 2 ZS AD_EXT connector in to the Audigy 1 front panel and have everything just simply work.

I'm very interested because I am being given the front panel from an Audigy 1 ( external version ) and am trying to determine how to get it hooked up and working properly with my Audigy 2 ZS, preferably without damaging either one.

dj_stick Sep 14, 2004 07:39 AM

Mark - you will need to create a new cable to do that

MarkAD88 Sep 14, 2004 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick
Mark - you will need to create a new cable to do that

Is there a diagram that lays out the new cable pin mappings precisley or better yet somewhere I can order a cable that does this?

Samir Sep 14, 2004 09:20 PM

:wtf: Seems I have to draw che cable?!? I'll draw the diagram tomorrow or day after tomorrow... :)

bth Sep 19, 2004 08:49 PM

Mic input on Audigy 2 ZS?
 
Hi all,

I'm trying to get a WaveMaster audio port (the Mic) port connected to my audigy 2 zs card (connecting to the small, 10 pin white header). I have the headphones working great. I can't get the MIC working, though.

It looks like pin 6 is Mic in, pin 8 is the Bias or Voltage Ref. I've tried connecting directly to the Mic mini plug (tip/ring/sleeve). I get a lot of noise, and occasionally I'll hear my voice, but it's not usable.

Any ideas on how to get this hooked up? I'd figure that going directly to the plug was the best way to eliminate any issues. The tip should go to pin 6, the ring to pin 8, and the sleeve grounded. I've tried all combos, no joy.

When I hook the mic up to the rear of the card, it works great.

Ideas?

Thanks,
Brian

Ripps818 Sep 22, 2004 07:12 PM

okay, some of the technical terms are getting me annoyed. Can someone just tell me how to connect the mic and headphone ports on the front of my case to my sblive! 5.1 (sb0100). Just tell me the pins to connect the L, R, G, for both of the ports. Or "show" me a circuit to use if there aren't enough pins. (Please don't explain the circuit without a visual aid, I have trouble visualizing words alone.)

dj_stick Sep 22, 2004 10:45 PM

you cannot connect analog ports ie headphones/mic to the soundblaster live

Ripps818 Sep 23, 2004 03:47 AM

sure it can, there is a livedrive for the sblive! That has headphones and microphone ports on it. If they aren't directly connected to the sound card, then they at least are using a digital to anlog circuit to do it. All I want to know is what the circuit schematics for the livedrive's headphone and mic ports are.
I remeber reading somewhere that the livedrive uses the spdif_2 channel for the headphone port, all I want to know is how to do it.
I do have expeirence making circuits.

BTW, I also use the kx drivers, so if i need to make some changes in the kx DSP to make it work, I can.

dj_stick Sep 23, 2004 07:10 AM

the live drive uses the i2s codec… pm forum member travelrec in regards to this

dj_stick Oct 1, 2004 12:45 PM

ok i have tested both the AD_EXT and the J1 headers on my A2ZS - the "headphones" on the J1 connector mirror the front outputs on the rear of the card, so be careful with the volume level if you connect headphones to this
AD_EXT happily receives S/PDIF signals from my old audigy

Samir Oct 1, 2004 02:47 PM

dj_stick:

Didn't know you had BOTH Live! and Audigy2 (ZS) card! Why haven't you said before? ;)
Do you happend to have any 'drives' for any of these cards? It would help testing some new setups...

dj_stick Oct 1, 2004 02:51 PM

i only recently got the a2zs :):) hehe
but no, i don't have any drive bays for the cards…
but i do have 3 working sound devices now (soundstorm, audigy es, audigy 2 zs)

Netriks Oct 1, 2004 11:25 PM

I have 3 pins on the optical/coax bracket, which ones pins do I connect them to on the audigy 2? thanks

dj_stick Oct 1, 2004 11:34 PM

i posted in your other thread
power pin 1
spdif out pin 9
ground - 3,4,6,7,8

Phynesse Oct 14, 2004 08:31 AM

5.1 Optical Audigy 2 To Receiver
 
Great Thread ... according to the 1st posts, here s what i ve tried:

http://www.dreamquestcruises.com/Audigy2ZSmod.jpg

whats Niccce - Digital Output to my Amp's optical Toslink Input. Sounds great.
what Sucksss - I only get Stereo = 2 channels (front lef&right) under regular windows apps

BUT --> when i play the "Feature Showcase Demo CD" with DTS, EAX, Dolby etc. samples, all 5.1 channels are addressed!?!? my receiver has a little lcd-diagram that illuminates for each channel. I have sound on all 6 speaker, yet only 2 speaker-icons are lighting up..? (as supposed to all 6 when i hook up nvidia soundstorm)

when i play DVDs or surround games (starwars battlefield / halo) again i do have output on ALL channels, however, here certain sounds are missing, i.e. i cant hear my weapon firing / no dialogue in movies. so bottomline: its not really working.

when i play winamp (output directsound) only the center channel puts out sound...

so i m pretty confused .. :duh:

any input/clarifications appreciated here. sorry for long 1stpost :rolleyes:
THANKS

dj_stick Oct 14, 2004 08:35 AM

hey thats exactly what i have - the gigabyte m/d adaptor on a zs… along with some other connections from my audigy es

Phynesse Oct 14, 2004 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick
hey thats exactly what i have - the gigabyte m/d adaptor on a zs… along with some other connections from my audigy es

sweet hehe, but is it working for u with true 5.1 optical transfer??

dj_stick Oct 14, 2004 08:52 AM

true optical is only 2.0
you only get 5.1 when you use compression, ie ac-3

Phynesse Oct 14, 2004 08:59 AM

hmm i c ...

but my aim is to get surround sound = 5.1, and i was trying to get that using digital.
Doesnt that work with the platinum or platinum pro external boxes?? so i thought i might be able to recreate that port as shown above...

ALSO: isnt it weird that 6 channels are actually receiving output with this configuration??? just that some of the sounds are missing... if there was a way to only fix that

dj_stick Oct 14, 2004 09:55 AM

the ONLY way to get surround sound from an audigy 2 is to use 3 s/pdif connections - they are stereo only, you will only ever get 5.1 using dolby digital (ac-3)
if you really need that get an nforce 2 system

Phynesse Oct 14, 2004 08:16 PM

what about the platinum drive, or platinum pro? they have toslinks. anyone know how many channels they put out?

EDIT: got tired of this, will return card tomorrow. grabbed a terratec dmx6 fire on ebay. so long audigy... 5 hours of my life i wont get back

Michele Spinolo Oct 28, 2004 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick
the ONLY way to get surround sound from an audigy 2 is to use 3 s/pdif connections - they are stereo only, you will only ever get 5.1 using dolby digital (ac-3)
if you really need that get an nforce 2 system

Hi dj_stick,

sorry to pop-up with a question in my first post, but I am damnly interested about this topic.

Are you saying is it possible to get surround sound (5.1) output from Audigy 2 (Audigy 2ZS too?) using 3 s/pdif connection?
As far as I can understand doing this I will get 3 PCM output (24/96?) s/pdif signals, am I right?

Which pins are releated to this signals on AD_EXT connector?

Thank you very much in advance and take my apologize for all these questions!

dj_stick Oct 28, 2004 09:46 PM

pins 9,27,29,31 are all s/pdif outs… i use kX to control these, so i don't know which ones you will need - but first try with 27 as front, 29 as rear and 31 as sub/centre

Michele Spinolo Oct 29, 2004 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick
pins 9,27,29,31 are all s/pdif outs… i use kX to control these, so i don't know which ones you will need - but first try with 27 as front, 29 as rear and 31 as sub/centre

Hi Chris,

thank you for your reply.

I'm looking on Kx website: there are a lot of informations and without them installed (I still have to buy a audigy 2) it's difficoult to understand what they can do.

So are you saying that with Kx audio drivers/suite you can route all 5.1 channels to the s/pdif puts you want?
Can you also upsample (to 24bit/96Khz) the signal?

Thank you for you patience!

scratch Nov 3, 2004 08:56 PM

The original pinout file is unavailable, does anyone know where else I can get it? I cant seem to access the kX wesbite.
Basically I would like to hook up additional line-ins if that is possible.

Cheers

dj_stick Nov 3, 2004 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michele Spinolo
Hi Chris,

thank you for your reply.

I'm looking on Kx website: there are a lot of informations and without them installed (I still have to buy a audigy 2) it's difficoult to understand what they can do.

So are you saying that with Kx audio drivers/suite you can route all 5.1 channels to the s/pdif puts you want?
Can you also upsample (to 24bit/96Khz) the signal?

Thank you for you patience!

upsampling is useless. You will stll hear the lower quality of the 16/48 source

Samir Nov 3, 2004 10:01 PM

Code:


................................+5V 1>o          2 -
................................GND 3 o o 4 GND
..........................SPDIF0 IN 5 o o 6 GND
................................GND 7 o o 8 GND
.........................SPDIF0 OUT 9 o          10 -
.................................- 11          12 -
..........P16VCLK 24.576 MHz clock 13 o o 14 GND
.....................I2S FrameSync 15 o o 16 GND
......................I2S BitClock 17 o o 18 GND
..........I2S input to P16V (Aux2) 19 o o 20 GND
.I2S input to P16V (Line-in2/Mic2) 21 o o 22 GND
................GPO1 (GP output 1) 23 o o 24 GPO2 (GP output 2)
................GPO0 (GP output 0) 25 o o 26 GND
........................SPDIF3 OUT 27 o o 28 GND
........................SPDIF1 OUT 29 o o 30 GND
........................SPDIF2 OUT 31 o o 32 GND
.................GPI1 (GP input 1) 33 o o 34 to TAD connector!
.................GPI0 (GP input 0) 35 o o 36 Audio cable detect!
...................UART (MIDI) OUT 37 o o 38 GND
....................UART (MIDI) IN 39 o          40 -
 
pins 35 <--> 25 to fake 'AudigyDrive' !

[color=red]Something is VERY VERY wrong with # CODE posting feature, i could barely post this info, had to use darn dots......... :annoyed:[/color]

Samir Nov 3, 2004 10:03 PM

dj_stick:

Are you aware of CODE posting problem in this forum?!?

Could you put AD_EXT pinout info (text version at the begining of this post) please?

dj_stick Nov 3, 2004 10:05 PM

Samir - email me the original image (if you still have it) and i will upload it to the kX Knowledgebase for you. dj_stick@driverheaven.net

dj_stick Nov 4, 2004 08:34 AM

image re-hosted

l0v3r Jan 3, 2005 09:37 PM

About connecting a Live! Drive IR
 
Oh.. after reading this forum for 2 days, and making few tests, I have some questions to make you.
I'm an Audigy 2 ZS owner, and I have my old Live! 5.1 Platinum, and I want to use my old Live! Drive IR with my new Audigy.

I've made the AUD_EXT-AD_EXT cable described in this forum, and after checking every pin link, I still have few problems:

1. the optical output intermittently lights up with no audio output.

2. I hear the Aux2 signal only if I act on the Line2/Mic2 slider on the Mixer, and the audio is distorted on the left channel, and absent (noise only) on the right channel... no audio acting on the Aux2 slider on the mixer, even if I put signal on the Line2/Mic2 input.

Now, in the cable schematic posted in this forum, the pins I2SCLK and I2SFS are not connected... may be this the reason for my problem?

The only tested working thing by now is the headphones.

Another thing: I've found on the net an interesting thing for our SB:

http://www.ihda.co.kr./skin/ihda/goo...e=030000006243

Also if the product is marked HiTeC, it's easy to see in the images that this product may be made by creative (same PCB, same serigraphy, same layout style).

Bye
l0v3r

dj_stick Jan 3, 2005 11:24 PM

for the line2/aux2 in you need to connect the i2s clock and framsync pins you mentioned are not connected

chances are that device you posted a link to will work just fine, but you won;t have all the extra connections your Live Drive does.

the optical device not working… sounds like its not getting enough power/signal
check to see if the cable is damaged or not, try also using a different s/pdif output pin

don't forget to connect the bridge wire, bridging pins 25&35

Samir Jan 4, 2005 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0v3r
1. the optical output intermittently lights up with no audio output.

2. I hear the Aux2 signal only if I act on the Line2/Mic2 slider on the Mixer, and the audio is distorted on the left channel, and absent (noise only) on the right channel... no audio acting on the Aux2 slider on the mixer, even if I put signal on the Line2/Mic2 input.
Now, in the cable schematic posted in this forum, the pins I2SCLK and I2SFS are not connected... may be this the reason for my problem?

1. Your optic output MUST be lit all time... If otherwise, shomething is wrong with connection, cable may be too long, not enough power, etc... Try connecting optic OUT to optic IN loopback & see what you get at input... :)

2. Live! Drive IR seems to have only one working I2S output... When i tried to connect Live! Drive to my Audigy 2, I got only one input & it was distorted too. I think that old Live! Drives can't work with 96KHz I2S sync. Only way to change this is to use kX drivers...
You will need to connect I2SCLK to I2SFS. Check what happends when you do this...

Good luck! :)

P.S.

I'm really interested if you can use your remote controller when you connect Live! Drive IR to Audigy 2... Please post here if you managed something...

l0v3r Jan 4, 2005 08:09 AM

I will try something today and I'll post the results soon...
Thanks for your help... I hope to give you good news :)

l0v3r Jan 4, 2005 05:50 PM

After first test:

- the optical output work... I've never setup the SPDIF frequency to 48Khz in the AudioHQ... the strange thing is that the SPDIF IN pass trought the Drive directly and accept 96KHz frequency too (tested with my home dvd/divx player) and the output is managed from the Drive that do not support 96 Khz (as mentioned many times in this forum).

- the Aux2 and Line2/Mic2 still not work even connecting I2S clock and framesync... I try tonight with kX drivers, setting the I2S clock to 48KHz as you tell me.

I come soon with more test result.

bye

l0v3r Jan 4, 2005 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samir
2. Live! Drive IR seems to have only one working I2S output... When i tried to connect Live! Drive to my Audigy 2, I got only one input & it was distorted too. I think that old Live! Drives can't work with 96KHz I2S sync. Only way to change this is to use kX drivers...

Yes, there's only Aux2 working and is totaly distorted... and the I2S sync is set to 96 Khz and I've not found any place to change it on the kX drivers... you know where to change it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samir
You will need to connect I2SCLK to I2SFS. Check what happends when you do this...

Why? What solution adding 3 Mhz clock to the 96 Khz frame sync? Perhaps damaging something for the highest frequency, I think.

bye

Samir Jan 7, 2005 01:28 AM

Hej, l0v3r, i've seen you've been busy... ;)

I'm in my home town right now, no sound cards stuff for next few days, sorry...

About changing I2S sync from 96 to 48KHz there must be some kX console command, but i don't know which one... Seems we'll need to ask Eugene (kX developer)...

About I2SCLK to I2SFS question:

Oooops! my mistake... Everything should be connected 1:1, this way:

(LiveDrive to Audigy2 order)

AC97CLK to P16VCLK,
I2SCLK to I2S BitClock,
I2SFS to I2S FrameSync,
I2S in to I2S in

l0v3r Jan 7, 2005 12:59 PM

Hehehe, no free days for a PC technician in december-january period... too much things to do :rolleyes:

Oh, Samir, I've tested the remote control, and it works too, but only volume and mute controls under Creative Mixer... I think they have changed the codes with the new RC, but is not a problem, the important is that work, and is usable in a customizable application.

mmmm, PS: where are gone my posts about ADC ICs and cable diagram? lost in the net? :hmm:

see ja

l0v3r Jan 7, 2005 01:06 PM

http://www.webalice.it/chillextasy/S...Audigy2_v2.jpg

This is one post lost, and the other is about Aux2 / Line2/Mic2 inputs, where changing both UDA1360TS with UDA1361TS allow that inputs to work with 96Khz/24bit sample rate (the pin layout is the same, and looking at the data sheet, the may work without changing nothing other).

sayonara.


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