you have Realtek ALCxxx AC'97 chip?

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 19, 2004, 04:38 AM

i am looking for Realtek ALCxxx AC'97 chips owners (onboard sound chip)
for development of new improved driver for you. if you would like to help in the project (beta testing) please contact me. there is good chances to improve the sound quality!

MSN - regeneration@newgenerationorder.org

IGx89 · Sep 19, 2004, 05:09 AM

Is it possible with a custom driver to make the optical audio output into an input? If you could do something like that in your driver, I'd love to help test it

.
(the reason I ask is because someone seems to have done something similar in Linux: [color=#dddddd]http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08944.html[/color])

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 19, 2004, 05:53 AM

i was thinking to mod SoundStorm driver for Realtek chips, since SoundStorm powered by ALC650 chip.

please copy & paste this information:

SP2 only:

Start menu > run > devmgmt.msc > Sound.. > Realtek AC '97 > Properties > Details > Device Instance ID > copy and paste it here the PCI vendor/device value.

suppose to be something like: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_006A&SUBSYS_1C00147B&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30

RIV@NVX · Sep 19, 2004, 09:04 AM

I have a Realtek chip, but I'm currently not using it, so I can't paste the information you need.

Still, I'm interested in beta testing.

Elrik · Sep 19, 2004, 04:14 PM

Hey, Regenerat1on

If I remember correctly, it was you who released custom/hacked drivers for SBLive! card owners a while ago, which included EAX 4.0 HD support... There used to be a huge thread on Futuremark forums, just like on this board, dedicated to SBLive!, Audigy1/2 modding and installing Audigy2 ZS and other drivers on them. I do not know why it was removed but that is the thread I've been following for quite a while, and that is where I got the link for your drivers (I still have them around). I liked your idea and they did sound much better with music than Creative's own and old SBLive! drivers.

However, your drivers seemed to have a huge bug in them -- they broke a certain AC3 functionality. What I mean is, with the regular SBLive! drivers, if I installed something like PowerDVD or WinDVD player, every other program would use their AC3 driver/filter to play AC3 sound by itself or in movies. Even Windows Media Player would detect PowerDVD's or WinDVD's filter and use it. AC3 still worked when playing content exclussively in PowerDVD or WinDVD though. But with your drivers, it would never detect the proper filters even after manually forcing their registration again. The only solution was to install a custom program called AC3Filter. Too bad because I really liked EAX 4.0 HD support, and a better sound with music.

Have you completely abandoned your SBLive! drivers? Is there an updated version to your initial 1.0 release? I visited your webpage that's in your profile but the "Files" section doesn't have anything related to SBLive! There was no way to get a hold of you back then. Your drivers didn't have any info for your e-mail. I was surprised to recognize your name on these forums. But I just signed up, so...

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 19, 2004, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elrik

Hey, Regenerat1on

If I remember correctly, it was you who released custom/hacked drivers for SBLive! card owners a while ago, which included EAX 4.0 HD support... There used to be a huge thread on Futuremark forums, just like on this board, dedicated to SBLive!, Audigy1/2 modding and installing Audigy2 ZS and other drivers on them. I do not know why it was removed but that is the thread I've been following for quite a while, and that is where I got the link for your drivers (I still have them around). I liked your idea and they did sound much better with music than Creative's own and old SBLive! drivers.

However, your drivers seemed to have a huge bug in them -- they broke a certain AC3 functionality. What I mean is, with the regular SBLive! drivers, if I installed something like PowerDVD or WinDVD player, every other program would use their AC3 driver/filter to play AC3 sound by itself or in movies. Even Windows Media Player would detect PowerDVD's or WinDVD's filter and use it. AC3 still worked when playing content exclussively in PowerDVD or WinDVD though. But with your drivers, it would never detect the proper filters even after manually forcing their registration again. The only solution was to install a custom program called AC3Filter. Too bad because I really liked EAX 4.0 HD support, and a better sound with music.

Have you completely abandoned your SBLive! drivers? Is there an updated version to your initial 1.0 release? I visited your webpage that's in your profile but the "Files" section doesn't have anything related to SBLive! There was no way to get a hold of you back then. Your drivers didn't have any info for your e-mail. I was surprised to recognize your name on these forums. But I just signed up, so...

well i did abandoned my SB Live! drivers project since i dont have any Creative card around and its impossible to work without a "piece" heh
now i am working on new project (trying to use SoundStorm codec on realtek audio processors)

IGx89 · Sep 19, 2004, 06:11 PM

Here's what mine is (from the MSI K8N Neo Platinum nForce3 250Gb): PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00EA&SUBSYS_75851462&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30
I'm using an A2ZS for my primary audio though, so I wouldn't be able to test it much.

Nforce2XP · Sep 19, 2004, 07:36 PM

My board is an35n ultra

and i have realtek audio chip it will very interesting if you can mod the driver and use the sound storn codec,i want to know more .
thanx you are the man

classic_leon · Sep 19, 2004, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

i am looking for Realtek ALCxxx AC'97 chips owners (onboard sound chip)
for development of new improved driver for you. if you would like to help in the project (beta testing) please contact me. there is good chances to improve the sound quality!

MSN - regeneration@newgenerationorder.org

Good man! Keep it on...

pezton · Sep 27, 2004, 03:00 PM

Here is my device id: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_006A&SUBSYS_414410DE&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30
I have a Soltek SL-75FRN2-RL With a ALC650 chip built into it.

Judas · Sep 27, 2004, 11:24 PM

here's mine on the KT400 Via chipset (Abit At7-MAX2)

PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3059&SUBSYS_1400147B&REV_50\3&61A AA01&0&8D

(not sure if it's the right one though)

as for options... i want the ability to use the minimum amount of resources and isntallation.... i don't want any garbage adittional aps and i don't want any startup stuff.... it's only used for stereo headphones and a mic.... (speaking over the internet with teamspeak)

AMDman · Sep 27, 2004, 11:52 PM

Well I want to help but I've disabled my ALC655 (I'm using MSI K7N2 Delta L). But if I'm not mistaken, if I'm using that Realtek, it's not detected as AC97 but NVidia Sound VAPU... (must be to change the 'AC97' thing on your guide to 'NVidia Sound VAPU'. I hope I can help you later, I hate that chip cause it makes some noises and hums on my right speaker. Even the peak meter on newest NForce driver recognize that.

**dj_stick** · Sep 28, 2004, 01:09 AM

if you have an nForce 2 with the MCP-T southbridge then you already have soudnstorm, which is what regerat1on is trying to put on non MCP-T motherboards with the ALC chip

AMDman · Sep 28, 2004, 09:32 AM

I know that it is MCP only, but somehow, the new driver for NForce make that recognized as VAPU/Sonata. But of course, if I use the AC 97 drivers from Realtek, they work for sure. It is a Realtek ALC655 surely, not a Soundstorm.

KYPREO · Sep 29, 2004, 02:30 AM

I have found the Realtek drivers to be a little buggy when applied to my notebook. The performance leaves a lot to be desired also.

Being a notebook, I can only use the onboard ALC650 chip, so any better driver solution is most welcome.

The problem with the realtek is have to choose between losing input/output configuration for 5.1 sound and having better performance, or vice versa.

Even with the newest drivers, the 24 sound test on 3dMark sees a 15-20% fps hit over no sound.

Kerry King · Oct 11, 2004, 04:22 AM

I've got a epox 8rda3+ with realtek alc655 codec on it. I'm using realtek drivers right now, not very happy with them though. sound is very low and sometimes distortet. At least winamp now works almost without crackling, cause i use the asio4all drivers and the asio output plugin for winamp. The nvidia audio drivers won't install at all. And the biggest joke is that the release notes for the newer nvidia audio drivers always say something like this:

Quote:

Introduced improved AC â€™97 / Soft Audio driver â€“ adds EQ, speaker cloning, and speaker wizard support
Introduced Speaker Wizard â€“ incorporates all NVSwap features, ensures correct speaker setup on analog or digital speaker systems
Introduced Cinesurround â€“ virtual 5.1 mixdown to headphones or 2 speakers
Introduced new Environments â€“ simple, preset driven sound environments
Enhanced ASIO support and added support for AC â€™97 / Soft Audio systems
Added user adjustable â€œrear channel creationâ€ support â€“ adds off, clone, reverb and delay
Added support for Realtek ALC655 codecs, Realtek ALC658 codecs, and 7.1 support for Realtek ALC850 codecs
Added support for WMV-HD audio streams and WaveFormatExtensible calls
Improved playback of mono content
Addressed audio issues in numerous games and applications

If anyone could make this true, that would be: THANKS! I'm willing to help with beta testing and perhaps even programming. (Just started to learn c++. I guess this won't help much, but maybe I'm gonna try some assembly, if you are sure this is gonna fix my sound problems.)

@Regeneration: I'm gonna try and contact you the next days. Anyway, if you or someone else want to contact me for some reason, here's may email: spasmomat at punkass dot com

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 11, 2004, 04:27 AM

you can allready use realtek drivers or the nv ones

xXxLT · Oct 12, 2004, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elrik

Hey, Regenerat1on

If I remember correctly, it was you who released custom/hacked drivers for SBLive! card owners a while ago, which included EAX 4.0 HD support... There used to be a huge thread on Futuremark forums, just like on this board, dedicated to SBLive!, Audigy1/2 modding and installing Audigy2 ZS and other drivers on them. I do not know why it was removed but that is the thread I've been following for quite a while, and that is where I got the link for your drivers (I still have them around). I liked your idea and they did sound much better with music than Creative's own and old SBLive! drivers.

However, your drivers seemed to have a huge bug in them -- they broke a certain AC3 functionality. What I mean is, with the regular SBLive! drivers, if I installed something like PowerDVD or WinDVD player, every other program would use their AC3 driver/filter to play AC3 sound by itself or in movies. Even Windows Media Player would detect PowerDVD's or WinDVD's filter and use it. AC3 still worked when playing content exclussively in PowerDVD or WinDVD though. But with your drivers, it would never detect the proper filters even after manually forcing their registration again. The only solution was to install a custom program called AC3Filter. Too bad because I really liked EAX 4.0 HD support, and a better sound with music.

Have you completely abandoned your SBLive! drivers? Is there an updated version to your initial 1.0 release? I visited your webpage that's in your profile but the "Files" section doesn't have anything related to SBLive! There was no way to get a hold of you back then. Your drivers didn't have any info for your e-mail. I was surprised to recognize your name on these forums. But I just signed up, so...

I want to try those drivers. Where can i download ?

Kerry King · Oct 18, 2004, 08:42 PM

Got SP2 now, too. So here is my Device ID:
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_006A&SUBSYS_10081695&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30

@Regenration: Are you still working on it? Perhaps you could write a short update on your plans an tell us if you need help. And perhaps include some technical details on what you want to change in the drivers...

Elrik · Oct 22, 2004, 07:47 AM

xXxLT,

You can get the latest version of those drivers at www.newgenerationorder.org (check the Files/Downloads section). Keep in mind, however, that EAX4.0 may and may not work correctly in some games, since SBLive! is supposedly lacking something in hardware to fully support it. However, in personal experience, some games work without a problem with it but some have certain quirks. For example, you may get strange distortion once in a while but I found that reloading a savegame fixes it or simply walking into a different area in a game. Or at times, if it plays a conversation that is supposed to be a distance away, it may sound as if it's close by. Though that could be a game bug and not the drivers, who knows. Mostly, things work fairly well. Besides, the problems I described were present with the older .0441 release. I have yet to see one in .0444.

You might want to find AudioHQ as a seperate installer in one of the LIVE packages out there but change its install path to "Program Files/Creative/SBLive/AudioHQ" if you're using an SBLive card. If you leave it at default path, which excluses "SBLive" folder, the option "Load AudioHQ at Startup" will not function. You could also find something called "ctpanel.exe", also in one of the packages but it lacks SoundFont Manager support.

Also, after some more investigating, it seems it does not mess up AC3 decoding in DShow players. The same thing happens with default Creative drivers. So, just insstall AC3Filter (it's called exactly that, search Google) to fix the issue.

schwret · Oct 31, 2004, 08:18 AM

Intel soundmax 4.0 driver for Realtek alc 850??????

alvinladen · Nov 15, 2004, 10:16 AM

heres mine:
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_008A&SUBSYS_100E1695&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30

my board is epox 8rda+ pro w/ alc655

godfeast · Nov 16, 2004, 09:51 PM

PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00EA&SUBSYS_75851462&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30

I am using the neo k8n platinum with the realtek ac97 sound.

I have An optical line out to a KOSS ks4190 6.1 home theater system.

I was hoping someone would have a way to use soundstorm on this board as the supplied drivers leave a lot to be desired.

I should note that I am having an issue with the computer not using my rear surround speaker at all and I can't seem to overcome it, but will be continuing to use the onboard sound for some time until i can afford an audigy z.

Will help all I can.

Sep 19, 2004, 04:38 AM	#1
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	you have Realtek ALCxxx AC'97 chip? i am looking for Realtek ALCxxx AC'97 chips owners (onboard sound chip) for development of new improved driver for you. if you would like to help in the project (beta testing) please contact me. there is good chances to improve the sound quality! MSN - regeneration@newgenerationorder.org

Sep 19, 2004, 09:04 AM	#4
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I have a Realtek chip, but I'm currently not using it, so I can't paste the information you need. Still, I'm interested in beta testing. __________________ -- Vedran

Sep 19, 2004, 04:14 PM	#5
Elrik DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 0	Hey, Regenerat1on If I remember correctly, it was you who released custom/hacked drivers for SBLive! card owners a while ago, which included EAX 4.0 HD support... There used to be a huge thread on Futuremark forums, just like on this board, dedicated to SBLive!, Audigy1/2 modding and installing Audigy2 ZS and other drivers on them. I do not know why it was removed but that is the thread I've been following for quite a while, and that is where I got the link for your drivers (I still have them around). I liked your idea and they did sound much better with music than Creative's own and old SBLive! drivers. However, your drivers seemed to have a huge bug in them -- they broke a certain AC3 functionality. What I mean is, with the regular SBLive! drivers, if I installed something like PowerDVD or WinDVD player, every other program would use their AC3 driver/filter to play AC3 sound by itself or in movies. Even Windows Media Player would detect PowerDVD's or WinDVD's filter and use it. AC3 still worked when playing content exclussively in PowerDVD or WinDVD though. But with your drivers, it would never detect the proper filters even after manually forcing their registration again. The only solution was to install a custom program called AC3Filter. Too bad because I really liked EAX 4.0 HD support, and a better sound with music. Have you completely abandoned your SBLive! drivers? Is there an updated version to your initial 1.0 release? I visited your webpage that's in your profile but the "Files" section doesn't have anything related to SBLive! There was no way to get a hold of you back then. Your drivers didn't have any info for your e-mail. I was surprised to recognize your name on these forums. But I just signed up, so... Last edited by Elrik; Sep 19, 2004 at 04:21 PM.

Sep 27, 2004, 03:00 PM	#10
pezton Ancient marker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Skellefteå, Sweden Posts: 97 Rep Power: 0	Here is my device id: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_006A&SUBSYS_414410DE&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30 I have a Soltek SL-75FRN2-RL With a ALC650 chip built into it. __________________ Sempron 3400+ @ 10 x 225 , Kingston 3200 Gigabyte GA-K8NS Nforce3 250 Sata (1,5) disk (cant remember model) @ 250 gb SweeX 650W PSU Creative XFI XtremeMusic

Sep 27, 2004, 11:52 PM	#12
AMDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indonesia Posts: 34 Rep Power: 0	Well I want to help but I've disabled my ALC655 (I'm using MSI K7N2 Delta L). But if I'm not mistaken, if I'm using that Realtek, it's not detected as AC97 but NVidia Sound VAPU... (must be to change the 'AC97' thing on your guide to 'NVidia Sound VAPU'. I hope I can help you later, I hate that chip cause it makes some noises and hums on my right speaker. Even the peak meter on newest NForce driver recognize that. __________________ [color=palegreen]there was four ways to reach 'genuineness': religion, philosophy, science, and literature, and everyone choose their own path[/color]

Sep 19, 2004, 05:09 AM	#2
IGx89 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Is it possible with a custom driver to make the optical audio output into an input? If you could do something like that in your driver, I'd love to help test it . (the reason I ask is because someone seems to have done something similar in Linux: [color=#dddddd]http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08944.html[/color])

Sep 19, 2004, 05:53 AM	Thread Starter #3
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	i was thinking to mod SoundStorm driver for Realtek chips, since SoundStorm powered by ALC650 chip. please copy & paste this information: SP2 only: Start menu > run > devmgmt.msc > Sound.. > Realtek AC '97 > Properties > Details > Device Instance ID > copy and paste it here the PCI vendor/device value. suppose to be something like: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_006A&SUBSYS_1C00147B&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30

Sep 19, 2004, 06:11 PM	#7
IGx89 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Here's what mine is (from the MSI K8N Neo Platinum nForce3 250Gb): PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00EA&SUBSYS_75851462&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30 I'm using an A2ZS for my primary audio though, so I wouldn't be able to test it much.

Sep 19, 2004, 07:36 PM	#8
Nforce2XP DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los angeles Posts: 201 Rep Power: 0	My board is an35n ultra and i have realtek audio chip it will very interesting if you can mod the driver and use the sound storn codec,i want to know more . thanx you are the man

Sep 28, 2004, 09:32 AM	#14
AMDman DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indonesia Posts: 34 Rep Power: 0	I know that it is MCP only, but somehow, the new driver for NForce make that recognized as VAPU/Sonata. But of course, if I use the AC 97 drivers from Realtek, they work for sure. It is a Realtek ALC655 surely, not a Soundstorm. __________________ [color=palegreen]there was four ways to reach 'genuineness': religion, philosophy, science, and literature, and everyone choose their own path[/color]

Sep 29, 2004, 02:30 AM	#15
KYPREO DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 62 Rep Power: 0	I have found the Realtek drivers to be a little buggy when applied to my notebook. The performance leaves a lot to be desired also. Being a notebook, I can only use the onboard ALC650 chip, so any better driver solution is most welcome. The problem with the realtek is have to choose between losing input/output configuration for 5.1 sound and having better performance, or vice versa. Even with the newest drivers, the 24 sound test on 3dMark sees a 15-20% fps hit over no sound.

Oct 11, 2004, 04:27 AM	#17
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	you can allready use realtek drivers or the nv ones __________________

Oct 18, 2004, 08:42 PM	#19
Kerry King DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Got SP2 now, too. So here is my Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_006A&SUBSYS_10081695&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30 @Regenration: Are you still working on it? Perhaps you could write a short update on your plans an tell us if you need help. And perhaps include some technical details on what you want to change in the drivers... __________________ The truth is always the right answere.

Oct 22, 2004, 07:47 AM	#20
Elrik DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 0	xXxLT, You can get the latest version of those drivers at www.newgenerationorder.org (check the Files/Downloads section). Keep in mind, however, that EAX4.0 may and may not work correctly in some games, since SBLive! is supposedly lacking something in hardware to fully support it. However, in personal experience, some games work without a problem with it but some have certain quirks. For example, you may get strange distortion once in a while but I found that reloading a savegame fixes it or simply walking into a different area in a game. Or at times, if it plays a conversation that is supposed to be a distance away, it may sound as if it's close by. Though that could be a game bug and not the drivers, who knows. Mostly, things work fairly well. Besides, the problems I described were present with the older .0441 release. I have yet to see one in .0444. You might want to find AudioHQ as a seperate installer in one of the LIVE packages out there but change its install path to "Program Files/Creative/SBLive/AudioHQ" if you're using an SBLive card. If you leave it at default path, which excluses "SBLive" folder, the option "Load AudioHQ at Startup" will not function. You could also find something called "ctpanel.exe", also in one of the packages but it lacks SoundFont Manager support. Also, after some more investigating, it seems it does not mess up AC3 decoding in DShow players. The same thing happens with default Creative drivers. So, just insstall AC3Filter (it's called exactly that, search Google) to fix the issue. Last edited by Elrik; Oct 22, 2004 at 08:21 AM.

Oct 31, 2004, 08:18 AM	#21
schwret HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 0	Intel soundmax 4.0 driver for Realtek alc 850??????

Nov 15, 2004, 10:16 AM	#22
alvinladen DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	heres mine: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_008A&SUBSYS_100E1695&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30 my board is epox 8rda+ pro w/ alc655

Nov 16, 2004, 09:51 PM	#23
godfeast DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00EA&SUBSYS_75851462&REV_A1\3&13C 0B0C5&0&30 I am using the neo k8n platinum with the realtek ac97 sound. I have An optical line out to a KOSS ks4190 6.1 home theater system. I was hoping someone would have a way to use soundstorm on this board as the supplied drivers leave a lot to be desired. I should note that I am having an issue with the computer not using my rear surround speaker at all and I can't seem to overcome it, but will be continuing to use the onboard sound for some time until i can afford an audigy z. Will help all I can.