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Old Apr 16, 2005, 02:55 AM   #571
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know what u aint worth my time no more, i dont deal with people who calls me insults. when u call people insults you just prove how inmature you are. i never said that there was no problems. i just said I never had problems with all of the creative cards i had. and it tend to be user error.

for one u never gave the links if ur trying to prove something you suppose to post links to what ur proving not the other person.
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Old Apr 16, 2005, 03:05 AM   #572
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I dont need your time as your a lamer and you started the trouble, you dont have a damn clue and you think i and others dont and that all websites that agre on that 2nd socket must be wrong.

Then you go an imagine that i insulted you 1st, i am looking forward to others reading your 1st post to me and laughing at you, im 33 years old and run my own 1 man (yes) pc outfit, not just "fix" pcs.

You need go get some mediacation, cause its easy for all to read and see who started the crap here, infact WTf you want here if you love Creative and there software is great ?, are we all n00bs here then need these modded drivers as we dont have a clue how to instlal normal ones ?.

Fact is this thread is mainly for pax talk not you to give me sh1t ot talk sh1t to me, do me a favour and butt out my posts if you not got anything positive to add.

I dont hide on WWW acting smart i would tell you same to your face.

And i did fooking post links you IDIOT, dont you know there is some script stopping it here, i made it simple as possible with the WWW removed and put on end.

HERE it is a 2nd time >>>

"cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=260&page=Features" < wont let me paste url, put WWW infont.

I advise you (1)get a brain 1st then (2) get eyes tested, then may be (3) visit that url and main pioneer site look for 109 and download pdf manual.

You then maybe learn something and not jump on others toes talking sh1t with your lamer attitude, then try put blame on the person you are fooking with claiming they started the insults.

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Old Apr 16, 2005, 03:19 AM   #573
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hmm i re read what i found , i was gona say something diffent but i read it around. ok i adimt you right. its called Digital Audio Extraction when u dont need to plug up the cable to ur sound card and to ur Cd drives.

now that i think about it, it did play with out the cord now that i remember, cuz the first day i got my audigy2zs i didnt plug the cord up and it played. wtf is wrong with me that i forgot that it did ,cuz now i remember why i plugged it up, i open my comp up and plug it in for some odd reason i just wasnt thinking at the time i made my sec post .

But for the Sblive 5.1 i needed to, i guess i still thinking of my Sblive 5.1 sound card i used for a long time b4 the audigy2 i used and Zs this is what is said from here,

so basicy if ur Cd drive does not suppor it then u have to, theres a few that listed there so. it would be called enable digital cd audio for this cd rom drive
in the device options, funny now i know what option was for its for Digital Audio Extraction. which what u was saying basicy. Turn that option off or if ur cd drive dont support it = having to plug that cord up. so u was mosty right and i was right for older cd drives that dont have that opionion or support.

When you insert a compact disc (CD) into a CD-ROM drive that you primarily use for data CDs, you may find that sound files are played and you can hear CD audio, even though an audio cable is not connected to your CD-ROM drive.
This behavior can occur if your sound card driver supports Digital Audio Extraction.

So you was right , since the audigy2/zs supports that. srry if it looked like i was a fanboy cuz i sure wasnt. I just tried to help thats all i never ment to start a battle. i was going for what i belived.

But you should had never used name calling, cuz calling people lamers and fanboys are in fact insults. so you was wrong for doing that.

i never called no one noobs. or any thing like that. i was saying user error tends to be problems. just cuz i said i never had problems do not make me a fanboy, and cuz there software works great for me dont make me a fanboy either. But i did jump the gun though.

But this will also info you also http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp i looked here . so i was thinking about older CD drives and not newer ones =X cuz we do have a few older ones laying around which i used.
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Old Apr 16, 2005, 03:54 AM   #574
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OK its 3am gmt in Scotland so goodnight and peace out.
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Old Apr 16, 2005, 09:08 AM   #575
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In my experience, to decode digital sound from a DVD rom, CL cards require you to use a seperate digital audio cable. This is a two wire cable that should connect to a slot next the the analog (4 pin) connector on the DVD-rom, and then to the CD_SPDIF connector on the CL card itself.

humeyboy, generalclaymore: there is no need for personal insults here. Please keep aggressive thoughts to yourself.

As for the pax drivers being better than creative. They ARE creative drivers, just modded so that features of higher end cards will work on lower end cards.
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Old Apr 16, 2005, 02:20 PM   #576
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1st you aint a mod, and i was returning the cheek he gave me, now its sorted.

2nd that cable is not for anything more than what the url tell you, ie factory testing, most drive not even got it.

3rd Pax drviers may be moded creative driver but they are less buggy, why esle would he bother making and we bother using, outside current ones that do give you nice audigy4 skins.

Ive used creative since early 2001 and i know there policy of releae a product then take very very long time to get apps/drivers right.

Im here to talk about pax not take abuse about my knowledge or lack of it, and i WILL defend myself cause i dont take sh1t in real life never mind virtual on WWW.
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humbleboy , DJ stick is a mod look in his sig and at the list of the threads. hes listed as a mod for this section of the thread.

dj stick i didnt say no insults he only did. i wanted to but i didnt, i just told him not to use insults towards me and explain to him that these words was insults. but i never said them my self.
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Old Apr 16, 2005, 10:04 PM   #578
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I though this was closed, why you sucking up to the mod, you did insult me but saying comments about user errors and my knowledge, its there in text, and dissing me and site about cd cable, i had let it go but i stand by what i said, and i dont care if i get banned.

Ive had DOA drives since pioneer 116 and teac 32x8x12 so no cables needed for anlouge either.

You post was just a carbon copy of the Trolls replys to peeps with problems on Creatives crap official forums.

Is this over ?.
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Old Apr 16, 2005, 11:52 PM   #579
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Yes it over, i want to get something clear, i didnt call u a user error, i just said that tend to be the problems most of the times when people have problems.

and 2 what makes u say someting silly like me kissing up to a mod. i just was point out that i didnt call u a insult. thats one odd insult if u said i called u a user error , when i said it tends to be user error most of the time.

First i was a lamer, now a fanboy, now i am a troll ok what esle is on that list of names u have stored on ur desk. i just sitting here laughing at u tossing insults at u. While i aint throwin none back at you, it is kind of funny really if u think about it .

it been over when i was explaining to the mod, what i said. i dont see how can this line"Tend to be user error " was talking about you. i was saying u could had oopsy some where thats all and advice u to check agian thats all.

Yes it was over when i did my post it was. i sure if u keep it up with the name calling u will get what u derve which what u clearing doing is flaming me while i didnt do any thing wrong in the first place.

But hey if i get warned or worst for saying user error 78% of the time oomputer problems , than theres something wrong here in these forums.

I guess i not aloud to say that i dont have problems with this or that hardware or some one is gonna pop in and call me a troll and talk to me like i lying or covering up for this company or that one.

It is over after this post.
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Old Apr 17, 2005, 12:12 AM   #580
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LOL, take your meds

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1st you aint a mod, and i was returning the cheek he gave me, now its sorted.
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2nd that cable is not for anything more than what the url tell you, ie factory testing, most drive not even got it.
this cable is most certainly for digital audio. it says so on the drives themselves. Most CD and DVD drives i have come across have this port
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3rd Pax drviers may be moded creative driver but they are less buggy, why esle would he bother making and we bother using, outside current ones that do give you nice audigy4 skins.
he bothered to make these drivers so, as you put them, users of say and audigy 2 can have the "nice audigy 4" skins, aswell as other enhancements to the driver package that come bundled with the audigy 4
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Im a mod on the best irc channel, it means nothing

The socket isnt for digital audio connection to soundcards as that review and others will point out but its is widely though it is.
My drives in last 4 years all had Digital audio Extraction (DOA) the old drives that you had to connect to the analouge cable to where probably not even in udma mode, buy pio mode, this helped take sound down cable instead of through system and eide channels (yes it would slow down them old pcs slightly).

These pax kits are more than just skins, he has managed to make drivers and apps that have less bugs than creatives capable of, i for one am here really yo talk about that aspect not be told im some sort idiot that knows nothing by that user, and he did if you read between the lines and he then tries to get of the hook.

For next pax kit as 1 was good but 2 has bugs in the THX calibration and both had bug closing the minidisc centre although i not really need.

1) make media souce list tracks by track number not alphabeteical by name, just like old live sofware did.

2) make gracenotes (used to be ccbb i think) work auto on inserting cd like old live software, on current official ZS software you need switch to the big console mod, change some tab to see your cd in it, hit get cd info, then change back to normal palyer view then eject cd and close try to get text to come up, but on these new pax at least its just tools/ get cd info, then press stop then press play to get text to appear.

3) Trebler sounds as good as ive heard so far even on these beta driver but bass still inst right (could be these crappy creaitve 7.1 speakers), but make sure dvd audio play and DTS and DD without funny noises as we prob all have had on ZS at one time or another.

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Horray, sorted the dvd DD/DTS and dvd audio, i had to set my apci in device manager to the longer string, it was already a uni acpi computer as the o/s should set at install.

I forgot about this setting for creatives drivers as pax didnt need and ideally you shouldnt need to change.

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- YouP-PAX ZS v3.99 was out
YouP-PAX ZS v3.99 Music
The modification of PAX ZS V3.99 soundcard drivers is based on Creative drivers v5.12.01.0444, the set of drivers is compatible with Windows 2000, Windows XP(Home & Professional), Windows Sever 2003 and Windows Longhorn. Supports SB Audigy (does not support Audigy LS soundcard), SB Audigy2( does not support Audigy2 Value), SB Audigy2 ZS series. Simplified Chinese, traditional Chinese and English are supported by Installation Interface; and Multilanguage are supported by the drivers( does not support Japanese).
System Requirement:
Windows 2000 ( Service Pack 3 or above)
Windows XP ( Service Pack 1 or above, recommend Service Pack 2)
Windows 2003 ( Full version)
Windows Longhorn ( Test version and future full version)
If any serious problem occurs during the use, please roll back to Creative official drivers.
Recommended to using drivers associating with YouP-PAX 2005 NewYear Package (http://www.mydrivers.com/dir110/d44311.htm)
Features:
Enhanced separability of high, intermediate and low frequency through the modification, improved flexibility of low frequency sound, it’s stronger and lower than the official driver, tone color of different sound level is perfectly balanced, intermediate frequency sound field is close for music playback, improved gaming sound effects and greater 3D sound effect compatibility with games ,it also has greater DVD-Video playback quality.
This set of drivers optimized aims on analog output only, it has not been tested for digital output, please uninstall it and change to other drivers if any problem occurs during the use.
Audigy2 to Audigy2 ZS soft-mod patch are integrated; debug audio control panel, replaced with creative audio control program, installation program will automatically choose the option, it also allows you to choose whether to install the “speed-up shut down” patch provided by Microsoft.
Known problems:
To gain better sound quality, port definition files of the driver are modded, if install on the Audigy2 or Audigy2 ZS soundcard with external box or digital I/O card, it may represent unable to adjust volume of front left/right channel, however, it does not effect the volume of front channel, this problem is currently not able to be fixed.
Note:
1.Before the installation, please uninstall the current soundcard drivers on your OS, otherwise, it may interfere with the new drivers installation.
2.If any incompatible issue occurs after the installation, please uninstall the driver and reinstall it, and if the problem occurs again, please reinstall the OS.
3.Please close the other programs before the installation, it may interfere with the installation progress, some antivirus software may also cause problems.
Special Thanks:
RUI translates drivers installation document into English.
all the friends who tested the drivers.

Produced, modified and revised by YouP
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1. [color=#0000ff]http://bt.99hifi.com:80/youp/YouP-PAX-ZSv3.99.rar[/color] (special thanks [color=#0000ff]http://www.cnfm365.com/[/color])
2. http://file2.mydrivers.com/sound/YouP-PAX-ZSv3.99.zip
3. [color=#1741bb]http://file.mydrivers.com/sound/YouP-PAX-ZSv3.99.zip[/color]
4. http://file3.mydrivers.com/files/sou...AX-ZSv3.99.zip
5. ftp://file4.mydrivers.com/files/soun...ewYear2005.rar
6. http://edu.mydrivers.com/sound/YouP-PAX-ZSv3.99.zip
7. http://szgwbn.mydrivers.com/sound/YouP-PAX-ZSv3.99.zip
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Awesome, this came right in time!

I'm getting my new soundcard(sb audigy2 zs) during next 2 days.
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The socket isnt for digital audio connection to soundcards as that review and others will point out but its is widely though it is.
i'm sorry, that statement slightly confused me

but that digital audio socket on modern drives (some may not have one) is actually spdif. it does work when connected to a soundcard
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I don't know if this has been posted already, but I would like to know if you can encounter problems when patching the PaX-drivers.

I need an update to use my Muvo MP3-player.

And thanks for the drivers, they are perfect.
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DJ stick that why everyone thinks so, its totally missinfo.

Im right now playing cd / dvd audio and dvd DD and DTS with no cables.

It was long ago drives were all PIO mode and didnt do DAOE (digital audio extraction), you had to connect the analouge cable to get sound on some PC's but others did work but you slowed down the PC as of using the eide channels.

Modern PC's dont have problems using the EIDE channels, the new drives are UDMA MODE 2 or 4 and all do DAE.

The site dont say you wont get sound out the digital socket as it has to give out sound for the testing in factory, i woudl take that sites word and others doing same testing over anyone else inc in here.

You can use cables if you like but i bin all cables that come in customers PC's for me to repair if its half modern.

The Pionners 108 and 109 manual and .PDF dont even point ot htis socket and mention it, but do so for the analouge.

Read it again >>>>"cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=260&page=Features" < wont let me paste url, put WWW infont.

Quote "The rear of the DVR-A09XL looks very similar to Pioneer's other DVD writers. By looking at the picture below you can see the drive's IDE interface, power connector and analog audio output connector."
"Starting from the left of the IDE connection you'll see the jumper switch for master, slave and cable select. By default the drive's jumper comes set to master. Next to the jumper block is the analog audio connector. Contrary to popular belief, the connector on the far left is used for diagnostics, not audio."
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Anyone seed these new drivers on bittorrent as it 208kilobits sec to max of 9kilobytes sec.

I will seed for upto 48hours once i download and remove old /install these and reboot.
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LOL, I hope there are some guys who can host them on west semisphere.
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I'm using Pax drivers for a long time now and they always worked great, but not the new ones v3.99

First I removed old driver and software, used drivercleaner and removed anything remaining from creative manually. Then I installed the new drivers with Pax New Year Package (without driver). After reboot ct's applications didn't start, 'cause there was no soundblaster installed. I removed the drivers and tried again and now I have sound, but eax console doesn't work any more, every other application works. I'm just not able to use upmixing and eax - what am I doing wrong?

And why do the driver archives differ in filesize on different mirrors???
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Old Apr 18, 2005, 09:35 PM   #595
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I already mentioned that I used drivercleaner (doesn't delete everything though, so I deleted the rest manually). I know how to install drivers correctly, it's just this version I have problems with.
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Old Apr 18, 2005, 10:51 PM   #596
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works now, although installation is weird:

i installed new year package full (with 3.89 dr.)->startet setup 3.99->chose uninstall 3.89->reboot->install 3.99

it didn't work without installing 3.89 first, why?
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Old Apr 19, 2005, 01:11 AM   #597
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Nice to see you all again.
I'm sure there is a few issues of uninstalling the drivers.
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Old Apr 19, 2005, 12:24 PM   #599
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downloading.... recompressing.... hosting....

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thanx YouP and classic_leon
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Thank you kind Sir.

I grabbed these of your site in 30secs @ 512KB/sec
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