EAX Advanced HD slowdowns

reno · Nov 17, 2002, 05:52 PM

Anyone know how I can fix this problem?

Using the 1.03 EAX HD patch for Jedi Knight 2 and using a Soundblaster Audigy with the .283 Audigy 2 drivers I'm experiencing this problem.

When using EAX Advanced HD (which means enabling OpenAL), I notice slowdowns it seems when new environmental effects are loaded...or too many sounds are being played. I've increased s_soundpoolmegs to 100 and tried to fiddle with compression for visual things, but the only fix so far is to disable EAX.

Only prob is, without Advanced HD....there is no surround sound...plus Advanced HD sounds SO amazing, first sound format that lets objects react with sound (occlusion, reflection, and the like)....so it just sounds beautiful on my speakers....mmm...

Anyway, anyone know any tweaks I could take advantage of?

RIV@NVX · Nov 17, 2002, 06:58 PM

I think that new drivers from creative labs (rumors cough rumors) will fix it. I heard about UT2k3 that will be fixed (because it is much slower when you turn on EAX), so this will be too.

reno · Nov 18, 2002, 01:52 AM

See, that's my problem...I'm using the drivers that supposedly "Enable OpenAL acceleration" and "fix EAX Advanced HD performance issues in games."

But damn, the first time I played Outcast I was like "whoa, the sabres are cool" and now it's like "whoa, hearing someone click a lightsabre on through a corner behind me is cool" hehe

RIV@NVX · Nov 18, 2002, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
See, that's my problem...I'm using the drivers that supposedly "Enable OpenAL acceleration" and "fix EAX Advanced HD performance issues in games."

But damn, the first time I played Outcast I was like "whoa, the sabres are cool" and now it's like "whoa, hearing someone click a lightsabre on through a corner behind me is cool" hehe

So, if I get it right - OpenAL has a support for EAX Advanced HD as well as EAX 2.0 and EAX 1.0, or it is new standard?

reno · Nov 18, 2002, 04:43 PM

OpenAl is not supported in any "normal" version of Jedi Outcast, it's only with creative's own 1.03 patch that OpenAL is activated...it can use multiple formats (such as A3D, EAX 1.0 and so on) but with the patch, it ONLY enables EAX Advanced HD.

RIV@NVX · Nov 18, 2002, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
OpenAl is not supported in any "normal" version of Jedi Outcast, it's only with creative's own 1.03 patch that OpenAL is activated...it can use multiple formats (such as A3D, EAX 1.0 and so on) but with the patch, it ONLY enables EAX Advanced HD.

So - if I get it right - if my card supports OpenAL, and game doesn't, I can't use it. Game must support it.
And OpenAL is... I don't get it.

reno · Nov 20, 2002, 01:16 AM

OpenAL is the audio version of OpenGL, a 3d sound API.

If your card supports it, great, but it won't be used unless the game supports it.

Jedi Outcast doesn't support it unless you use the 1.03 creative specific patch, and when it is enabled EAX 3.0 (Advanced HD) is used...unless you have a Live card, then it uses EAX 2.0. You can't force it to use 2.0 on an audigy.

That help?

RIV@NVX · Nov 20, 2002, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
OpenAL is the audio version of OpenGL, a 3d sound API.

If your card supports it, great, but it won't be used unless the game supports it.

Jedi Outcast doesn't support it unless you use the 1.03 creative specific patch, and when it is enabled EAX 3.0 (Advanced HD) is used...unless you have a Live card, then it uses EAX 2.0. You can't force it to use 2.0 on an audigy.

That help?

Yeah! I understand now. My informathycs teacher told me that he enabled EAX2 on Live! with OpenAL, so I didn't get it.

Now I get it.
Question 2 - If kX Team implements OpenAL (it will be surely easiear than EAX), will I be able to use EAX - in which games?

reno · Nov 21, 2002, 03:15 PM

Well, there is an added file that Creative supplied with that patch called "EAXMan.dll" which lists itself as "EAX controller version 3.0.0.0" so I dunno...it's possible, considering it is an Open standard...give it a try!

I'd actually use the kX drivers if you guys figured out how to get eax working! somehow

RIV@NVX · Nov 21, 2002, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
Well, there is an added file that Creative supplied with that patch called "EAXMan.dll" which lists itself as "EAX controller version 3.0.0.0" so I dunno...it's possible, considering it is an Open standard...give it a try!

I'd actually use the kX drivers if you guys figured out how to get eax working! somehow

OpenAL is open standard. It will be easier to implement. Currently, Eugene is working on implementing some features from old APS VxD drivers, so I can't tell you about EAX and such.

Nov 17, 2002, 05:52 PM	#1
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	EAX Advanced HD slowdowns Anyone know how I can fix this problem? Using the 1.03 EAX HD patch for Jedi Knight 2 and using a Soundblaster Audigy with the .283 Audigy 2 drivers I'm experiencing this problem. When using EAX Advanced HD (which means enabling OpenAL), I notice slowdowns it seems when new environmental effects are loaded...or too many sounds are being played. I've increased s_soundpoolmegs to 100 and tried to fiddle with compression for visual things, but the only fix so far is to disable EAX. Only prob is, without Advanced HD....there is no surround sound...plus Advanced HD sounds SO amazing, first sound format that lets objects react with sound (occlusion, reflection, and the like)....so it just sounds beautiful on my speakers....mmm... Anyway, anyone know any tweaks I could take advantage of?

Nov 17, 2002, 06:58 PM	#2
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I think that new drivers from creative labs (rumors cough rumors) will fix it. I heard about UT2k3 that will be fixed (because it is much slower when you turn on EAX), so this will be too. __________________ -- Vedran

Nov 18, 2002, 01:52 AM	Thread Starter #3
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	dsfg See, that's my problem...I'm using the drivers that supposedly "Enable OpenAL acceleration" and "fix EAX Advanced HD performance issues in games." But damn, the first time I played Outcast I was like "whoa, the sabres are cool" and now it's like "whoa, hearing someone click a lightsabre on through a corner behind me is cool" hehe

Nov 18, 2002, 04:43 PM	Thread Starter #5
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	r OpenAl is not supported in any "normal" version of Jedi Outcast, it's only with creative's own 1.03 patch that OpenAL is activated...it can use multiple formats (such as A3D, EAX 1.0 and so on) but with the patch, it ONLY enables EAX Advanced HD.

Nov 20, 2002, 01:16 AM	Thread Starter #7
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	htrd OpenAL is the audio version of OpenGL, a 3d sound API. If your card supports it, great, but it won't be used unless the game supports it. Jedi Outcast doesn't support it unless you use the 1.03 creative specific patch, and when it is enabled EAX 3.0 (Advanced HD) is used...unless you have a Live card, then it uses EAX 2.0. You can't force it to use 2.0 on an audigy. That help?

Nov 21, 2002, 03:15 PM	Thread Starter #9
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	wret Well, there is an added file that Creative supplied with that patch called "EAXMan.dll" which lists itself as "EAX controller version 3.0.0.0" so I dunno...it's possible, considering it is an Open standard...give it a try! I'd actually use the kX drivers if you guys figured out how to get eax working! somehow