Does ASIO 2 work with the .323 drivers on Audigy 1?

ripper · Dec 28, 2002, 06:17 PM

Hi everyone and happy holidays

I'm on vacation, and I havent been able to test the new drivers with my Audigy 1 yet. I'm really anxious to know if the .323 drivers' ASIO 2.0 works with the Audigy 1 in apps such as Cubase.

Can anyone confirm or deny this for me?

Cheers,
ripper

RIV@NVX · Dec 29, 2002, 07:27 PM

Well, it SHOULD be there (because there is same part of code for both A1 and A2, so if ASIO is supported, it is probably ASIO2).
But I don't even want to think about installing them ATM, because I am back to kX (oh, finally).

Ericcc · Dec 30, 2002, 10:33 AM

I installed Audigy2 update on Audigy1 Plat Ex. In Cubase Direct monitoring still isnt supported so my conclusion so far is that Audigy2 update DIDNT update to ASIO2 on my Audigy1.

How can this be fixed ?

RIV@NVX · Dec 30, 2002, 10:39 AM

Only way - don't buy CL next time.
Seriously - use kX (but they don't support Direct Monitoring too).
Do you have some ASIO2 based host which DOESN'T want to run without ASIO2?

Ericcc · Dec 30, 2002, 10:56 AM

Nope..why should I have an app that only works with ASIO2 when Audigy1 don't support that ?

Yeah, don't buy CL next time...funny. But that doesnt answer the question in this thread does it ?

Maybe there is someone serious that can confirm or deny what Ripper asked when he started this thread.

Cheers,

Eric

Necrosis · Dec 30, 2002, 02:31 PM

Far as I know Audigy 2 only has Asio 1 support. So I guess that would mean no for the Audigy 1.

RIV@NVX · Dec 30, 2002, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
Far as I know Audigy 2 only has Asio 1 support. So I guess that would mean no for the Audigy 1.

But new drivers added ASIO 2 support, didn't they (at least they weres supposed to)?

Ericcc · Dec 30, 2002, 03:11 PM

That's the question....Audigy2 should add ASIO2 support...But does it do that too for audigy1..

thnx for replies guys

Necrosis · Dec 30, 2002, 04:31 PM

Okay I found the change log you posted Riva. According to that Asio 2.0 support is added. Maybe it's a hardware limitation of the Audigy 1?

RIV@NVX · Dec 30, 2002, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
Okay I found the change log you posted Riva. According to that Asio 2.0 support is added. Maybe it's a hardware limitation of the Audigy 1?

Wouldn't say.
kX supports it EVEN for PCI512 and MoBo model Live! cards.
So, I guess it is marketing trick.

ripper · Dec 30, 2002, 06:00 PM

Um, I think I missed something. Kx supports what even for the PCI512?

RIV@NVX · Dec 30, 2002, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ripper
Um, I think I missed something. Kx supports what even for the PCI512?

ASIO2.

Ericcc · Dec 30, 2002, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RIV@NVX
Wouldn't say.
kX supports it EVEN for PCI512 and MoBo model Live! cards.
So, I guess it is marketing trick.

WHo the h**l is asking what KX can do or not ???????? READ THE F**KING QUESTION before you give another lame answer. You are even wrong since KX doesnt support ASIO 2. Only ASIO 1

Geez....the question is fairly simple isnt it ? Audigy2 update is supposed to update Audigy2 to ASIO2 support (from ASIO1). Now again the question is: does that apply to Audigy1 also? I argue it is not. Maybe there is a way to get ASIO2 for Audigy1 with updated Audigy2 drivers too ?

Kind regards and sorry for the blow off...

Ericcc · Dec 30, 2002, 06:17 PM

Q. Does the kX driver have ASIO support? ASIOv2?

A. ASIO v2.0 - based hosts are fully supported, however, some ASIO2 features are not implemented due to hardware limitations. 24-bit ASIO support is planned for both 10k1 and 10k2 as soon as possible (first for 10k2, later for 10k1 too).

Just to be complete..........

RIV@NVX · Dec 30, 2002, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ericcc
WHo the h**l is asking what KX can do or not ???????? READ THE F**KING QUESTION before you give another lame answer. You are even wrong since KX doesnt support ASIO 2. Only ASIO 1

Geez....the question is fairly simple isnt it ? Audigy2 update is supposed to update Audigy2 to ASIO2 support (from ASIO1). Now again the question is: does that apply to Audigy1 also? I argue it is not. Maybe there is a way to get ASIO2 for Audigy1 with updated Audigy2 drivers too ?

Kind regards and sorry for the blow off...

EDIT: Removed my post about same thing you posted.

I hate CL for making non-unified drivers.

Ericcc · Dec 30, 2002, 06:24 PM

some ASIO2 features are not implemented due to hardware limitations. 24-bit ASIO support is planned for both 10k1 and 10k2 as soon as possible (first for 10k2, later for 10k1 too).

Now that don't sound like (full) ASIO2 support does it ? KX drivers certainly won't allow direct monitoring in Cubase SX for example. The updated Audigy2 drivers are supposed to give you that.

Anyway, the discussion is about audigy2 ASIO 2 update and if that works on Audigy1 too, not KX.

At least we agree on CL being endless morons for not being able to create unified drivers or even good drivers for that matter...

Kind regards,

Ericcc

Necrosis · Dec 31, 2002, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ericcc
some ASIO2 features are not implemented due to hardware limitations. 24-bit ASIO support is planned for both 10k1 and 10k2 as soon as possible (first for 10k2, later for 10k1 too).

Now that don't sound like (full) ASIO2 support does it ? KX drivers certainly won't allow direct monitoring in Cubase SX for example. The updated Audigy2 drivers are supposed to give you that.

Anyway, the discussion is about audigy2 ASIO 2 update and if that works on Audigy1 too, not KX.

At least we agree on CL being endless morons for not being able to create unified drivers or even good drivers for that matter...

Kind regards,

Ericcc

Who in the hell would want ASIO2 support w/ a 16 bit feed? The updated drivers are supposed to give the Audigy 2 ASIO2 support not the Audigy 1. However, the reason is why? I imagine the thinking is along the same lines as my first question.

Ericcc · Dec 31, 2002, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
Who in the hell would want ASIO2 support w/ a 16 bit feed? The updated drivers are supposed to give the Audigy 2 ASIO2 support not the Audigy 1. However, the reason is why? I imagine the thinking is along the same lines as my first question.

Omg......

I give up....

BUMP

Necrosis · Dec 31, 2002, 04:34 PM

Omg...

Good Maybe now you'll shutup too.

BTW, the answer simply is....

NO!

Sorry Ripper.

You cannot have ASIO2 support on the Audigy 1 unless you crack open the drivers and add it, and/or write an entirely new set.

Ericcc · Dec 31, 2002, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
Omg...

Good Maybe now you'll shutup too.

BTW, the answer simply is....

NO!

Sorry Ripper.

You cannot have ASIO2 support on the Audigy 1 unless you crack open the drivers and add it, and/or write an entirely new set.

Sooooooo.....after all the non answers we finally have on Hurah !!!

Couldnt u have said that in the first place ?

happy new year

ripper · Dec 31, 2002, 06:01 PM

@ necrosis The reason why ASIO 2.0 is important even at 16 bits is because of the direct monitoring feature, allows you to monitor with zero latency. This is all I care about, I'm accepted the fact that my card is locked at 16/48. With regard to this direct monitoring, I fail to see why it cannot be implemented in the Audigy 1. Is there a hardware limitation?

RIV@NVX · Dec 31, 2002, 06:02 PM

Finally!
Necrosis, are you using .323 release? On Audigy2?
Could you please go here and screenshot Output Caps thing (not ASIO Control panel, the other).

Necrosis · Dec 31, 2002, 10:11 PM

I couldn't say for sure without the information which I found at the Creative newsgroups. Ripper I understand your dilema but I'm not sure if the Audigy 1 will ever have ASIO2 support because it seems Creative is focusing on driver development for the Audigy 2 right now.

Riva, I don't have a place to hose the picture but here is the info. just the same.

Name: SB Audigy ASIO [FECo]

Format: Int16LSB

Channels: 14

Buffer size: 2400 samples

ASIOOutputReady () : Not Supported

Sample rate:

48000Hz: supported

11024Hz - 32000Hz: Not Supported
88200Hz - 19200Hz: Not Supported

I tried both settings to see if it would differ but there was no difference.

RIV@NVX · Dec 31, 2002, 11:04 PM

But where is the 24/96 ASIO2 support?
Hmmm.... hardware limitation or?
Because, for example, it should support:
Int24LSB
and some other samplerates

which brings us to the point that Audigy2 is still internally 16/48, and since ASIO is hardware thing, Audigy2 CAN'T support 24/96 without resampling, which is pointless with ASIO.

Necrosis · Jan 1, 2003, 08:55 AM

Which is why I'm so interested in the M-Audio 7.1 Revolution..hint..hint!!

RIV@NVX · Jan 1, 2003, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
Which is why I'm so interested in the M-Audio 7.1 Revolution..hint..hint!!

These Envy24HT cards lack of MIDI features

But, this and Aureon 7.1 are nice cards really

Name: TerraTec Aureon 7.1 Space / M-Audio Revolution 7.1

Format: Int16LSB, Int24LSB

Channels: (don't know)

Buffer size: (depending on latency you choose)

ASIOOutputReady () : Not Supported (not sure)

Sample rate:

11024Hz 19200Hz: supported

Nice, isn't it?

BTW, will you be selling your Audigy2?

Necrosis · Jan 1, 2003, 11:19 AM

Hmmm.....

I might but why would I want to hinder someone with such a over fluffed card? I almost think I should have to pay them to take it. Yes, it's been a great card. Way better than my Audigy 1 Gamer.

Necrosis · Jan 1, 2003, 11:21 AM

Hey Riva,

I have a friend who has the DMX6 Fire..the BIG ONE. He's in Germany right now and will have him run the Steinberg app. and I'll post the results here.

RIV@NVX · Jan 1, 2003, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
Hey Riva,

I have a friend who has the DMX6 Fire..the BIG ONE. He's in Germany right now and will have him run the Steinberg app. and I'll post the results here.

24/96 is the big one (with drive)
LT is without drive (the one I was thinking to buy)

So, you sent him the ASIO caps thing?

Necrosis · Jan 1, 2003, 11:33 AM

Haha, sorry I couldn't remember what it it was called.

No, I haven't sent the file yet but he doesn't live that far from me. I do the up keep on the computers in his studio and will stop by when he gets back.

Dec 28, 2002, 06:17 PM	#1
ripper DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Does ASIO 2 work with the .323 drivers on Audigy 1? Hi everyone and happy holidays I'm on vacation, and I havent been able to test the new drivers with my Audigy 1 yet. I'm really anxious to know if the .323 drivers' ASIO 2.0 works with the Audigy 1 in apps such as Cubase. Can anyone confirm or deny this for me? Cheers, ripper

Dec 29, 2002, 07:27 PM	#2
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Well, it SHOULD be there (because there is same part of code for both A1 and A2, so if ASIO is supported, it is probably ASIO2). But I don't even want to think about installing them ATM, because I am back to kX (oh, finally). __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 30, 2002, 10:33 AM	#3
Ericcc DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Very much want to know this too I installed Audigy2 update on Audigy1 Plat Ex. In Cubase Direct monitoring still isnt supported so my conclusion so far is that Audigy2 update DIDNT update to ASIO2 on my Audigy1. How can this be fixed ?

Dec 30, 2002, 10:39 AM	#4
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Only way - don't buy CL next time. Seriously - use kX (but they don't support Direct Monitoring too). Do you have some ASIO2 based host which DOESN'T want to run without ASIO2? __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 30, 2002, 10:56 AM	#5
Ericcc DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	ermmmm Nope..why should I have an app that only works with ASIO2 when Audigy1 don't support that ? Yeah, don't buy CL next time...funny. But that doesnt answer the question in this thread does it ? Maybe there is someone serious that can confirm or deny what Ripper asked when he started this thread. Cheers, Eric

Dec 30, 2002, 02:31 PM	#6
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Far as I know Audigy 2 only has Asio 1 support. So I guess that would mean no for the Audigy 1.

Dec 30, 2002, 03:11 PM	#8
Ericcc DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	yep That's the question....Audigy2 should add ASIO2 support...But does it do that too for audigy1.. thnx for replies guys

Dec 30, 2002, 04:31 PM	#9
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Okay I found the change log you posted Riva. According to that Asio 2.0 support is added. Maybe it's a hardware limitation of the Audigy 1?

Dec 30, 2002, 06:00 PM	Thread Starter #11
ripper DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Um, I think I missed something. Kx supports what even for the PCI512?

Dec 30, 2002, 06:17 PM	#14
Ericcc DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	FYI Q. Does the kX driver have ASIO support? ASIOv2? A. ASIO v2.0 - based hosts are fully supported, however, some ASIO2 features are not implemented due to hardware limitations. 24-bit ASIO support is planned for both 10k1 and 10k2 as soon as possible (first for 10k2, later for 10k1 too). Just to be complete..........

Dec 30, 2002, 06:24 PM	#16
Ericcc DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	yeah some ASIO2 features are not implemented due to hardware limitations. 24-bit ASIO support is planned for both 10k1 and 10k2 as soon as possible (first for 10k2, later for 10k1 too). Now that don't sound like (full) ASIO2 support does it ? KX drivers certainly won't allow direct monitoring in Cubase SX for example. The updated Audigy2 drivers are supposed to give you that. Anyway, the discussion is about audigy2 ASIO 2 update and if that works on Audigy1 too, not KX. At least we agree on CL being endless morons for not being able to create unified drivers or even good drivers for that matter... Kind regards, Ericcc

Dec 31, 2002, 04:34 PM	#19
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Omg... Good Maybe now you'll shutup too. BTW, the answer simply is.... NO! Sorry Ripper. You cannot have ASIO2 support on the Audigy 1 unless you crack open the drivers and add it, and/or write an entirely new set.

Dec 31, 2002, 06:01 PM	Thread Starter #21
ripper DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	@ necrosis The reason why ASIO 2.0 is important even at 16 bits is because of the direct monitoring feature, allows you to monitor with zero latency. This is all I care about, I'm accepted the fact that my card is locked at 16/48. With regard to this direct monitoring, I fail to see why it cannot be implemented in the Audigy 1. Is there a hardware limitation?

Dec 31, 2002, 06:02 PM	#22
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Finally! Necrosis, are you using .323 release? On Audigy2? Could you please go here and screenshot Output Caps thing (not ASIO Control panel, the other). __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 31, 2002, 10:11 PM	#23
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	I couldn't say for sure without the information which I found at the Creative newsgroups. Ripper I understand your dilema but I'm not sure if the Audigy 1 will ever have ASIO2 support because it seems Creative is focusing on driver development for the Audigy 2 right now. Riva, I don't have a place to hose the picture but here is the info. just the same. Name: SB Audigy ASIO [FECo] Format: Int16LSB Channels: 14 Buffer size: 2400 samples ASIOOutputReady () : Not Supported Sample rate: 48000Hz: supported 11024Hz - 32000Hz: Not Supported 88200Hz - 19200Hz: Not Supported I tried both settings to see if it would differ but there was no difference.

Dec 31, 2002, 11:04 PM	#24
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	But where is the 24/96 ASIO2 support? Hmmm.... hardware limitation or? Because, for example, it should support: Int24LSB and some other samplerates which brings us to the point that Audigy2 is still internally 16/48, and since ASIO is hardware thing, Audigy2 CAN'T support 24/96 without resampling, which is pointless with ASIO. __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 1, 2003, 08:55 AM	#25
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Which is why I'm so interested in the M-Audio 7.1 Revolution..hint..hint!!

Jan 1, 2003, 11:19 AM	#27
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Hmmm..... I might but why would I want to hinder someone with such a over fluffed card? I almost think I should have to pay them to take it. Yes, it's been a great card. Way better than my Audigy 1 Gamer.

Jan 1, 2003, 11:21 AM	#28
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Hey Riva, I have a friend who has the DMX6 Fire..the BIG ONE. He's in Germany right now and will have him run the Steinberg app. and I'll post the results here.

Jan 1, 2003, 11:33 AM	#30
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Haha, sorry I couldn't remember what it it was called. No, I haven't sent the file yet but he doesn't live that far from me. I do the up keep on the computers in his studio and will stop by when he gets back.