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Old Nov 2, 2003, 02:42 PM   #1
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DVD -> xvid or divx .... ?

I'd like to back up some of my DVD's. I've just used dvdx and backed up one using xvid codec but the quality is lacking.... I've seen some 700mb xvid files that look mint! Anyhow, just wondering if anyone here had any experience and could recommend a solid proggy that will rip my DVD's and encode xvid style...

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its better using a higher quality setting with the pro version of Divx and making your backups around 1.5 gig, that way you can get three to a DVD disc and the quality is barely distinguishable from VOB DVD. use something like videocalcEN to calculate movie length to size.
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The 700mb versions that look mint and stuff are usually done by advanced rippers who don't use all in one programs. They usually do everything individually then combine at the end, and tweak the encoding settings, and do multi-pass encoding. But for the casual ripper as Zardon said, the way to make up for it is to encode at a higher bitrate. If you cant' fit that many than you can split onto two cd's. I have never ripped to xvid before, only DVD-Divx, DVD-VCD, DVD-SVCD, and DVD-DVD. So I'm not sure how much help I could be, but if you do need help send me a PM.
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I've been experimenting with XviD for a while and I've been able to some up with some excellent quality 2CD rips. I've only tried a single 1CD rip and aside from being much too blurry because of an error on my part, it wasn't too bad.

The problem I've been running into lately is that with my 2CD rips, I'm often getting undersized files (like 500 megs instead of 700) because with the settings I'm using, I'm reaching "maximum quality". I'm currently looking into ways to improve the image quality so I can actually take advantage of the extra space I sometimes have available after encoding.

I haven't really done any DivX rips yet because in order to take advantage of the advanced encoding features of the codec, you have to either spend money or install spyware on your computer.. and I didn't really feel like doing either. I'm perfectly happy with XviD, though.

I'm thinking of writing up a little guide to DVD ripping. I've taken several different guides from around the Internet and come up with my own unique method.. I'm pretty happy with it.

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I've been experimenting with XviD for a while and I've been able to some up with some excellent quality 2CD rips. I've only tried a single 1CD rip and aside from being much too blurry because of an error on my part, it wasn't too bad.

The problem I've been running into lately is that with my 2CD rips, I'm often getting undersized files (like 500 megs instead of 700) because with the settings I'm using, I'm reaching "maximum quality". I'm currently looking into ways to improve the image quality so I can actually take advantage of the extra space I sometimes have available after encoding.

I haven't really done any DivX rips yet because in order to take advantage of the advanced encoding features of the codec, you have to either spend money or install spyware on your computer.. and I didn't really feel like doing either. I'm perfectly happy with XviD, though.

I'm thinking of writing up a little guide to DVD ripping. I've taken several different guides from around the Internet and come up with my own unique method.. I'm pretty happy with it.

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I've been considering writing up a VCD/SVCD guide for a while. Care to team up for a mondo driverheaven guide to backing up?
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This may be a little off the point if you dont have a DVD burner but I have found various usefull programs. My favourite is DVD Shrink from http://www.dvdshrink.org/ This is a fantastic program for re-authoring DVDs. For example. I bought the Matrix reloaded and didn't want to watch it on the original disk in case of damage. So I used DVD Shrink to take out the movie only and then shrink it down to fit on a DVD+R. You have to compress some movies so that they will fit but I don't notice any difference in quality either on my PC or my player downstairs. You can use Nero to author an image of the VOB files and then play them straight off the HDD.

The difference in quality really isn't noticable at all. The only downside is the storage space they take up on a hard drive. If storage is an issue then Xvid wins for me.

Sites I like to visit regularly for tips is http://www.dvdrhelp.com and http://www.doom9.org
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I've been considering writing up a VCD/SVCD guide for a while. Care to team up for a mondo driverheaven guide to backing up?
I don't really have much experience with VCD/SVCD encoding.. I'm guessing you probably use TMPGEnc for that? (I have the program, but never really learned how to use it). It might just be easier to write two seperate guides. I dunno.

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I've used TMPGEnc but find it difficult to work with - soo many different settings. It takes a while to encode stuff and then once youre done you find out what you did wrong - like the picture being the wrong format. Still, it does work well though.
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I don't really have much experience with VCD/SVCD encoding.. I'm guessing you probably use TMPGEnc for that? (I have the program, but never really learned how to use it). It might just be easier to write two seperate guides. I dunno.

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I mean combine to have one ultra guide. You write up a xvid guide, I do vcd/svcd, and so a person can select what format they want and can read either your or my guide.

And if your doing DVD to DVD, the advanced way with no downsampling is to use a program called IFO Edit. And if you want something a bit easier and still be able to burn like a real dvd with no downsampling you could try DVDFab if the movie itself isn't too large. Either way it has a setting to split to 2 discs.
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I've used DVD Reaper for the last two years. I've encoded with DivX codec from 4.0+. I just recently started XviD. I prefer the XviD codec as it just simply looks clearer. Shuki, I suggest using XviD.

As far as movie lenth goes... I typically make a 2 disc movie if it's about 1 hour 45minutes +..... So anything under that I usually make 700mb.

Th2 disc movies always look phenomenal as the bitrate is something like 1100+kbps. Then the single disc movie can got from 800-650kpbs. I personally use either a 64kbps or a 96kbps mp3 stream. I don't like the VBR mp3 streams as virtualdub can't process them.

So basically that's how I've been ripping for the last 2 years. I prefer it to other codecs and programs. So what if my program is 2+ years old but my rips look better than most I download IMHO. I've tried several programs that are "all in one"......... YEAH, steer clear of those. The videos usually come out sized wrong (too big or just too small) and just look like crap.
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so whats the program of choice to rip to xvid?

I am using the all in one dvdx and its really pretty good. definitely easy to set up. Ripping cd1 of the godfather part II. Total time is 2:01:10. I decided to take the advice here and rip it to 2 cd's so the bitrate is 1480 and that with 128kbps mp3. Virtualdub the preferred ripping util?
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I've used TMPGEnc but find it difficult to work with - soo many different settings. It takes a while to encode stuff and then once youre done you find out what you did wrong - like the picture being the wrong format. Still, it does work well though.
I generally would rip a DVD with dvd decrypter, then use Virtual Dub 1.41 (hard version to get), then convert with the pro Divx 5, calculating with Video calculator depending on what result I was trying to achieve. Ive came up with some great 700meg DIVX conversions, but it can take a long time initally to work out the best method. 128bitrate audio generally.

If im converting back from Divx to DVD I would use neros vision express2, it gives good results on Minus r media which have never failed to play on any DVD player ive used.

Im sure there is better software out there for the tasks above, but im used to this method I use and most importantly it works !
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I've tried several programs that are "all in one"......... YEAH, steer clear of those.
I agree totally, ive also seen that some of this paid for all in one jobs use several free programs widely available. nasty stuff.
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VirtualDub is not what RIPS the dvd. You need DVD decrypter to "rip" the dvd. It removes the copy protection and copies all the .vob files (the files on the DVD that contain audio and video). Then you use a program that incorporates mpeg2avi to turn the vobs into video and audio.

See, mpeg2avi takes the .vob file (contains a mpeg2 (i believe or it's 1) stream and an AC3 audio stream) and converts it to .avi video and ac3 audio. Then you use a program to convert the ac3 to a wav (some programs can convert ac3 straigh to an mp3 though) then the wav to an mp3. THEN you use virtual dub to put the audio in with the video.
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See, mpeg2avi takes the .vob file (contains a mpeg2 (i believe or it's 1) stream and an AC3 audio stream) and converts it to .avi video and ac3 audio. Then you use a program to convert the ac3 to a wav (some programs can convert ac3 straigh to an mp3 though) then the wav to an mp3. THEN you use virtual dub to put the audio in with the video.
My method is similar, but I choose to add some extra steps for the audio. I'll take the AC3 stream and convert it to WAV format with headAC3he (I'm told by an audiophile that this will maintain some Dolby Pro Logic II surround sound information in the WAV file), and I'll convert that WAV to a VBR MP3 using Lame. Once I have the MP3, I run it through MP3Gain to adjust the volume a bit (most DVD audio tracks are pretty low). I use Virtualdub for the video encoding, and Nandub to combine the video and audio streams into a single file. It's a pain, but I think the final quality is worth it.

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What's the point brc? DO you have a dolby pro logic reciever? Cuz if not, then do you sit infront of your computer watching movies......?
I just let the sound be crappy as ever cuz I have a patch cord running from my front speaker output to my tv. I just watch all my movies off my tv from the svideo output
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I've steered clear of headache and bewseet, because if I choose to not do the whole movie for divx or vcd, it sends the audio into berserker mode.
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Um, whatever that means......
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What's the point brc? DO you have a dolby pro logic reciever? Cuz if not, then do you sit infront of your computer watching movies......?
I just let the sound be crappy as ever cuz I have a patch cord running from my front speaker output to my tv. I just watch all my movies off my tv from the svideo output
I watch most of my movies from my computer, although a nice surround sound system will be mine when I can afford it. I realize there isn't too much point doing things my way for some people, but I take some comfort in knowing that I'm getting the highest quality I can get for the lowest file size.

I've also considered making some rips and just leaving the AC3 audio in them.. but that's a little bit more complicated from what I've read.

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No, if anything it's easier. You just don't have to encode an mp3.
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No, if anything it's easier. You just don't have to encode an mp3.
Really? I read that combining an AC3 stream with a video stread can involve some guesswork with the settings, and I hate guesswork. Besides, I don't have any idea what I would use to split the AC3 file with if I were going to do a 2CD rip.

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Rips with AC3 play great with this pluggin.

http://xvalex.hotbox.ru/programs/ac3...ilter_eng.html


You can adjust all the channels while watching the AVI and apply filters and a whole bunch of other adjustments -
LFE, voice, surround, auto gain control, auto matrix, bass redirection control, dolby pro logic, pro logic II, audio/video sync, jitter correction, sample format, speaker output format, dynamic rang compression, and best of all- you can have as many different presets for these settings as you want. I use it with Media player classic.

It's awesome. 5.1 works perfect w/ Fortissimo III 7.1
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I think you can just do PCM in virtualdub and that adds the ac3 to it. But the ac3 is like 1gb+ in size.
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http://www.clonead.co.uk/ is a pretty good site with tools and guides for making DVD's into divx files.
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Re: DVD -> xvid or divx .... ?

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I'd like to back up some of my DVD's. I've just used dvdx and backed up one using xvid codec but the quality is lacking.... I've seen some 700mb xvid files that look mint! Anyhow, just wondering if anyone here had any experience and could recommend a solid proggy that will rip my DVD's and encode xvid style...

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Dr. DivX is a good program that also comes bundled with the DivX Player. For directions on how to convert from DVD-->DivX, you can find tutorials at DivX's homepage.
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Re: Re: DVD -> xvid or divx .... ?

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Dr. DivX is a good program that also comes bundled with the DivX Player. For directions on how to convert from DVD-->DivX, you can find tutorials at DivX's homepage.
Dude, Dr. DivX is pretty and all. But it lacks audio support. I mean, I don't remember it having any audio support. Besides, it's not free either.
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If im converting back from Divx to DVD I would use neros vision express2, it gives good results on Minus r media which have never failed to play on any DVD player ive used.

Has that improved at all? I tried it at one stage and it was dreadful! Mind you I was converting from Xvid -> DVD...
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It is pretty good yeah ive used it to convert DIVX to DVD for my home player and it always gives a watchable picture with clear sound and no skipping or bad pixelization. they overhauled it quite a bit. Cant say ive tried XVID, most of my movies are DIVX.
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i lost a bit track of the posts...thought it was about dvd 2 divx
(but all other can use this too)

dvd2svcd....does it...just isntall a codec pack...and you rip you dvd to dvd/svcd/or divx
it also does it the other way around
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gordian_knot rip pack

(www.doom9.net or www.vcdhelp.com for guides and help)
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It is pretty good yeah ive used it to convert DIVX to DVD for my home player and it always gives a watchable picture with clear sound and no skipping or bad pixelization. they overhauled it quite a bit. Cant say ive tried XVID, most of my movies are DIVX.
Most new movies are Xvid now though. If you check out a warez release page you can find that most are ripped to Xvid now.

Of course. I don't condone warez.
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